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Luke Ball of Collingwood in action during a Collingwood Magpies training session at Gosch's Paddock in Melbourne. Slattery Images
The hype surrounding the Western Bulldogs and St Kilda is justified considering how close they got last year and their NAB Cup form. But what about the other side to finish top four and back it up with a strong pre-season?
If recent weeks are anything to go by, Collingwood deserve to be placed right up there.
Following their one-point loss to the Saints in the first round of the NAB Cup, the Pies went on to post solid wins in their next two games, admittedly against an injury-hit Adelaide and Richmond.
But the most telling sign of a strong pre-season came a week later in the form of an 87-point shellacking of Port Adelaide. Up until that point, Port were having a pretty decent pre-season themselves, with an intense training program – as outlined here on The Roar by defender Troy Chaplin – and a strong NAB Cup showing that almost saw them sneak into the final.
At the end of four weeks of pre-season games, Collingwood (at 144.6%) finished with the highest percentage of all clubs, well above even the Bulldogs (135.3%).
The best part is their new additions – the single most important thing separating this year’s team from last year’s – have slotted in perfectly. Luke Ball has seen plenty of the ball and is by all reports flourishing at his new club. We’ve been given no reason to think Darren Jolly isn’t the ideal fit either.
So where’s the hype? The predictions of a premiership? The flood of back page stories?
The Western Bulldogs have gotten all that just by bringing in one void-filling player. Collingwood have brought in two! Surely they are right up there on everyone’s crystal ball ladders?
Surprisingly, that’s not the case. In the season preview magazines put out by the Herald Sun and The Age, across both publications only one expert tipped the Pies to take the flag. Many, including Robert Walls, Garry Lyon and Kevin Sheedy, tipped them to miss the top four altogether.
“Honest, competitive, disciplined, good and, at times, very good, but still short of the elite. This not only describes the Magpies, but also their two high-profile recruits, Darren Jolly and Luke Ball,” Lyon wrote.
The comments don’t seem to stack up. Yes, the midfield was the Pies’ biggest criticism at the business end of last season. With Scott Pendlebury out injured, they struggled to match it with the star-studded midfields of St Kilda and Geelong.
But with Ball joining a fit Pendlebury and prolific ball winner Dane Swan – and with one of the competition’s best ruckmen in Jolly setting them up – the gap between the Pies and the others has become far shorter. Assuming those guys are fully fit, it’s going to be much less of an issue in 2010, if it’ll be one at all.
The other major criticism of the Magpies is their key forwards – or lack thereof, if you listen to some opinions.
This is an issue, but perhaps not quite as much of one as you’d be led to believe. Travis Cloke and John Anthony mightn’t be in the same league as Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke, but then again, neither were Cameron Mooney and Tom Hawkins last year, when they spearheaded Geelong’s attack.
In fact, despite Mooney having a disastrous year accuracy-wise and Hawkins showing his inexperience far too often, the pair still put together a decent finals campaign and even managed to comfortably outscore the Riewoldt-Koschitzke combo on grand final day.
The lesson here is that it is possible to get by with a pair of serviceable key forwards.
Even then, the fact Anthony kicked 50 goals last year – in just his second season – is a pretty good sign. Cloke did have a pretty off year, but he might not be able to get away with that this year. With the side’s bolstered ruck stocks, many see Josh Fraser reinventing himself as a forward. They’ve got some young key position talent worth keeping an eye on too.
In fact, when it comes to key forwards, the Pies do seem far better off than last year, when Anthony Rocca’s return from the VFL was considered an important step on the road to a premiership.
Despite the hype being focused elsewhere, Collingwood don’t seem out of place as a premiership tip. So, on the eve of the 2010 season, I’m happy to anoint them as mine.
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Tifosi said | March 23rd 2010 @ 4:54am | Report comment
Why can’t Collingwood win the flag?
Because they are Collingwood, thats why!!
Redb said | March 23rd 2010 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Because no-one wants them to.
As a fan of the last team to let Collingwood win a premiership (head bowed in shame) I can only say I’m happy for the Bombers to lose that title one day, but not this year!
Bulldogs have them covered.
Collingwood will be a top 4 team but there must be question marks over their forward line.
Also the big issue – the flux to be created between Malthouse and Buckley as two game plans emerge. They say the game changes tactically every year, significantly every 3-4 years, Buckley’s view of the the best game plan would be radicially different to Malthouse. He has been out of the game for 2 years and will need to adapt already, sitting on the sidelines for another 2 years as assistant coach only responsible for part of the team has to create tension.
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Looking forward to seeing you guys on ANZAC Day. We have a score to settle.
Redb said | March 23rd 2010 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Zaharakis – make yourself a hero son! Yesssssss! Love it, watched it 20 times.
Have my tickets, can’t wait.
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
Zaharakis, we know you didn’t mean it, but you have to pay for that cocky goal last year. Come meet your fate.
BigAl said | March 23rd 2010 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
RedB – you may have hit the nail on the head re. the Malthouse-Buckley ‘arrangement’ – could well have a major effect on how the pies go in 2010, and I’m thinking it will be negative !
I remember seeing some TV footage of them leaving the meeting where their ‘arrangement’ was announced -
both showed bad body language, neither looking particularly happy or friendly towards the other.
Friction at the top can always lead to problems on the field.
Redb said | March 23rd 2010 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Yeah. I can just hear it from Buckley now: “not going around the bloody flanks again!”
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 6:11pm | Report comment
I think you gravely underestimate the professionalism and maturity of those two champions. Malthouse and Buckley are Greats of the Game, true professionals with a deep respect for each other and a great love of Collingwood. They will get on just fine, they will respect each other’s views, accept that differences of opinion happen and are legitimate, and in the end respect the right of the coach to make the call. Watch and learn guys. This is the greatest club in the AFL you are talking about; not a bunch of school kids on holidays. Watch and learn how champions behave.
Mattay said | March 23rd 2010 @ 7:33am | Report comment
Since when does anyone take Walls, Lyon and Sheedy seriously? The 3 teams I keep hearing mentioned as likelies to take it out are Bulldogs, Saints and Magpies. Collingwood are being rated exactly where they should be, not a certainty but a good outside shout.
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | March 23rd 2010 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Because Collingwood supporters are bad and sinful people who are being punished by the gods for their sins in previous lives. If they suffer bravely through the hellish ordeal of supporting this perennially underachieving club they may get to come back as something more noble in the next cycle. Like a slug.
The Artist Previously Known as Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 6:29pm | Report comment
Collingwood has been in more finals series, played more grand finals, and attracted a larger supporter base than any other club in AFL history. They have won 14 Premierships and in the process contributed more to the game’s folklore than any other club in AFL history. They draw huge crowds even when they are at the bottom of the ladder. They have a highly successful business plan and a thoroughly professional administration which, in addition to football, sets the pace in sport for contributing to social development and welfare programs. Underachieving? You , Mr Real Australian …., are Unreal.
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Good article Michael. The same thing happened back in 2002, when Collingwood came close. The pundits consistently said that Collingwood were good, not great, and were not good enough to make it to the GF. Yet that team came very close indeed to glory. That’s the way we Pies like it. Let the others congratulate themselves all year on how pretty they look in the mirror. With Mick Malthouse at the helm, these Pie’s will focus on the goal, concentrate on doing the work and, let’s hope, take away the prize in September. Despite Lyons’ comment and Wall’s prejuduce, Collingwood have some real talent in the team now, but its not just talent that’s required to win premierships. You need a great team possessing desire, spirit and strong hearts. Looking at the total picture, I like the look of this Collingwood team. Very much.
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 9:00am | Report comment
By the way, despite being a one-eyed Pieman, I do wish the Western Bulldogs well. I admire the Bulldogs talent and commitment and what they’ve achieved so far and I do like the look of their team. Its going to be a terrific game on Sunday. It’s shaping to be a terrific season.
Dogz R Barkn said | March 23rd 2010 @ 11:28am | Report comment
The trouble with Collingwood supporters is that they have no front teeth and lots of tatts – and then you oughtta see their husbands!!
bever fever said | March 23rd 2010 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
They are so tough, they all have beards and tattoos ……. and thats just the women !!!.
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 5:38pm | Report comment
You two guys, having no leg to stand on with regard to rational argument, now resort to abuse. You clearly have no real understanding of football, a deep seated fear of the real world and a clear case of Collingwood envy. Perfectly understandable.
Tom said | March 23rd 2010 @ 11:35am | Report comment
The Pies draw is difficult – playing the Dogs, Saints, Cats & Hawks twice, plus four blockbusters against Essendon & Carlton where form doesnt count for much. Pies play only four games outside of Melb but its the toughest draw of clubs who finished top eight last year. I think they will finish about 6th and miss the double chance of the top four but the are not the sort of team any opposition would want to be drawn against in the finals. Still think they are maybe one season away from the holy grail. Hope im wrong though – go pies!
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
Good comment Tom. Keep the faith. The things worth winning are always won hard.
Al said | March 23rd 2010 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Crap forward line is the reason.
Lu said | March 23rd 2010 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Totally agree.. Great midfield last year, decent (but aging defence).. but they can’t rely on Anthony and cloke to win them a flag..
Plus the relience/hope that Rocca was going to save them was laughable..
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
Ageing defence? Are you kidding? Shaw 24, O’Brien 23, Maxwell 26, Nathan Brown 21, Goldsack 22, Johnson 28, Leigh Brown 28? You’re probably talking about Presti, 32, who Gary Lyons last night nominated as Collingwood’s most valuable player, citing the impact he had on that great champion Riewoldt in the NAB cup. Poor tired old bastard.
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 5:51pm | Report comment
Funny. I remember the pundits saying last year what a formidable forward line Collingwood had. Real advantage they said that there was not just one rout to goal. There was Cloke, Medhurst, Davis, Didak, Anthony, Thomas all roaming around there with real goal kicking ability. Now they will add Fraser to that mix, with Dawsey and McCarthy looking good. If that’s a crap forward line, I’ll go He. Now when it comes to crap forward lines, there’s Essendon of course, now that the two greats, Lucas and Lloyd have gone. Can’t wait to see my Pies deal with what’s left.
Chris K said | March 23rd 2010 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
2 words: perennial chokers , thats why.
Oh and Travis Cloke couldn’t hit a barn door if it was 10m in front of him
Dogz R Barkn said | March 23rd 2010 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Why can’t Collingwood win the flag?
Two words: Malt house