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Luke Ball of Collingwood in action during a Collingwood Magpies training session at Gosch's Paddock in Melbourne. Slattery Images
The hype surrounding the Western Bulldogs and St Kilda is justified considering how close they got last year and their NAB Cup form. But what about the other side to finish top four and back it up with a strong pre-season?
If recent weeks are anything to go by, Collingwood deserve to be placed right up there.
Following their one-point loss to the Saints in the first round of the NAB Cup, the Pies went on to post solid wins in their next two games, admittedly against an injury-hit Adelaide and Richmond.
But the most telling sign of a strong pre-season came a week later in the form of an 87-point shellacking of Port Adelaide. Up until that point, Port were having a pretty decent pre-season themselves, with an intense training program – as outlined here on The Roar by defender Troy Chaplin – and a strong NAB Cup showing that almost saw them sneak into the final.
At the end of four weeks of pre-season games, Collingwood (at 144.6%) finished with the highest percentage of all clubs, well above even the Bulldogs (135.3%).
The best part is their new additions – the single most important thing separating this year’s team from last year’s – have slotted in perfectly. Luke Ball has seen plenty of the ball and is by all reports flourishing at his new club. We’ve been given no reason to think Darren Jolly isn’t the ideal fit either.
So where’s the hype? The predictions of a premiership? The flood of back page stories?
The Western Bulldogs have gotten all that just by bringing in one void-filling player. Collingwood have brought in two! Surely they are right up there on everyone’s crystal ball ladders?
Surprisingly, that’s not the case. In the season preview magazines put out by the Herald Sun and The Age, across both publications only one expert tipped the Pies to take the flag. Many, including Robert Walls, Garry Lyon and Kevin Sheedy, tipped them to miss the top four altogether.
“Honest, competitive, disciplined, good and, at times, very good, but still short of the elite. This not only describes the Magpies, but also their two high-profile recruits, Darren Jolly and Luke Ball,” Lyon wrote.
The comments don’t seem to stack up. Yes, the midfield was the Pies’ biggest criticism at the business end of last season. With Scott Pendlebury out injured, they struggled to match it with the star-studded midfields of St Kilda and Geelong.
But with Ball joining a fit Pendlebury and prolific ball winner Dane Swan – and with one of the competition’s best ruckmen in Jolly setting them up – the gap between the Pies and the others has become far shorter. Assuming those guys are fully fit, it’s going to be much less of an issue in 2010, if it’ll be one at all.
The other major criticism of the Magpies is their key forwards – or lack thereof, if you listen to some opinions.
This is an issue, but perhaps not quite as much of one as you’d be led to believe. Travis Cloke and John Anthony mightn’t be in the same league as Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke, but then again, neither were Cameron Mooney and Tom Hawkins last year, when they spearheaded Geelong’s attack.
In fact, despite Mooney having a disastrous year accuracy-wise and Hawkins showing his inexperience far too often, the pair still put together a decent finals campaign and even managed to comfortably outscore the Riewoldt-Koschitzke combo on grand final day.
The lesson here is that it is possible to get by with a pair of serviceable key forwards.
Even then, the fact Anthony kicked 50 goals last year – in just his second season – is a pretty good sign. Cloke did have a pretty off year, but he might not be able to get away with that this year. With the side’s bolstered ruck stocks, many see Josh Fraser reinventing himself as a forward. They’ve got some young key position talent worth keeping an eye on too.
In fact, when it comes to key forwards, the Pies do seem far better off than last year, when Anthony Rocca’s return from the VFL was considered an important step on the road to a premiership.
Despite the hype being focused elsewhere, Collingwood don’t seem out of place as a premiership tip. So, on the eve of the 2010 season, I’m happy to anoint them as mine.
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March 23rd 2010 @ 12:54pm
davelee said | March 23rd 2010 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Dont forget what happened to ‘guns’ Leon Davis and Alan Didak in the finals last season? They need to overcome that.
March 23rd 2010 @ 1:04pm
Jan said | March 23rd 2010 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Salary cap, handy cap, knee cap, thats why
March 23rd 2010 @ 1:35pm
Redb said | March 23rd 2010 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
tooth cap.
March 23rd 2010 @ 3:07pm
bever fever said | March 23rd 2010 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
http://www.kieranbutler.com/Coll%20Ruin.htm
Every self respecting Collingwood fan must see this show.
March 23rd 2010 @ 3:26pm
James said | March 23rd 2010 @ 3:26pm | Report comment
Is it worth putting Luke Ball and Beams in my dream team?
March 23rd 2010 @ 4:11pm
Art Sapphire said | March 23rd 2010 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
Collingwood last won the flag in 1990 flag. What a miserable day that was, beating my Bombers!
As punishment, I sent a Collingwood Voodoo Doll to Haiti.
Every pre-season I get the local witch doctor to perform really bad, bad voodoo on the doll.
Good news is that the witch doctor survived that terrible earthquake.
Bad luck, Pies!
March 23rd 2010 @ 5:43pm
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
Art, I don’t share your preference for playing with dolls. But then I’m a hardened Woods supporter. I’ll look out for you on Anzac day. Will you be wearing your pretty black and red frilly thing?
March 23rd 2010 @ 5:57pm
Mister Football said | March 23rd 2010 @ 5:57pm | Report comment
Essendon did all honest VFL supporters a great disservice that day (and yes, I’m aware 1990 was the first official year of the AFL).
So how many AFL premierships have Collingwood won? Just the one.
March 23rd 2010 @ 8:06pm
The Artist Previously Known as Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 8:06pm | Report comment
Now you really are clutching at straws. Strictly speaking of course you are right. But the “VFL”/”AFL” has talen many forms over the years. Even since 1990 too. So every time they make a change you want to start counting from scratch? No, of course not. You’re just clutching at straws.
March 23rd 2010 @ 4:53pm
bever fever said | March 23rd 2010 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
To be honest and i cant really remember it (shows age) Cillingwood really should have won a flag in 1970 and possibly 1977 (drawn GF) although North was a great team.
The 1990 premiership team must go down as one of the worst teams to win a flag, they were unlucky not to win one flag against Brisbane during there threepeat and also unlucky against Carlton in 79 i think.
The problem they have had is they have always had a good team of honest battlers but very little brilliance and have been very workmanlike getting to the finals.
I believe Barassi got them with the ten year rule in 77 as the North line up was great.
Collingwood over the years have had the chance to get Lockett, before him Quinlan (superboot) and a whole host of other players but at the time they had short arms and deep pockets and would not spend the cash.
IMO both Lockett and Quinlan would have given Collingwood more flags.
The administration took a very long time to catch up with the times, it took a long time before they employed anyone not associated with the club, they were IMO still living in the glories of the late 1920′s till at least the 70′s as the club was essntially run for 60 years by John Wren and Jock Mchale, and their legacy (good and bad) down at Victoria park lasted a long time.
McHale and Wren both suffered heart attacks whilst watching Collingwood win the 1953 premiership and both died shortly after.
March 23rd 2010 @ 8:15pm
bever fever said | March 23rd 2010 @ 8:15pm | Report comment
I am answering myself, but anyway, their team in 1970 was quite simply one of the best teams they have had, to be 40 points up at half time in a granny when football was basically kick to kick was a blow the club has never really recovered from.
Thompson, Tuddenham, Price, Greening, McKenna and the Richardson bros etc. were all in that team.
I also believe that the death of Darren Millane in 1991 was a great blow for the club, he was a future captain.
The club was on its knees when Eddie took over, he has done a great job turning them into a great organisation but for me Victoria park will represent what is Collingwood not the lexus centre.
March 23rd 2010 @ 8:19pm
The Artist Previously Known as Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 8:19pm | Report comment
I remember the great Collingwood team of the 1960s, the one which lost to St Kilda by one point in 1966 but which appeared in many finals series, and was around the top for most of the decade. The team of Ian Graham, Len Thompson, Twiggy Dunn, Terry Waters, Wayne Richardson, Colin Tully, Laurie Hill, Ted Potter, playing head to head with the greatest St Kilda side of all time, which featured Darryl Baldock, Cowboy Neal, Ian Stewart, Ian Cooper, Brian Sierakowski, Verdun Howell, Bob Murray. They were head to head in brilliance those two great teams. Coached by the great and brilliant Bob Rose, that Collingwood team would have to be the greatest team never to have won a premiership. Always a great Club, what the current administration has done is the most difficult thing in the world to do, overcome the drag of tradition, without rejecting it, and drive fundamental change in an organisation which has enjoyed long term success. If you try to open your other eye you might just be able to see it.
March 23rd 2010 @ 5:54pm
Redb said | March 23rd 2010 @ 5:54pm | Report comment
Richard,
If I had collingwood envy I’d find the nearest hammer and re-arrange my dentures.
March 23rd 2010 @ 6:02pm
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
I’d like to see that!
March 23rd 2010 @ 6:02pm
Mister Football said | March 23rd 2010 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
I don’t wish to come across as cliched in any way, shape or form, but it has to be said that I grew up and did all my schooling in the Western suburbs where half the kids followed Footscray. Of the other teams, Collingwood was easiest the most popular team.
The incredible thing is that without exception, these were the kids that lost their front teeth by the end of primary school, and the ones who had tatts at age 13 or 14.
My conclusions:
1. there is something about being a Pies supporter that makes them go mental; and
2. those Pies supporters in the Western suburbs gave the rest of us educated, law abiding citizens a bad name!!
March 23rd 2010 @ 10:28pm
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 10:28pm | Report comment
“Without exception these kids … were the ones who had tatts at age 13 or 14″. If I told you once I’ve told you a million times, don’t exaggerate. Mister Football, you do make grand claims. Educated?
March 23rd 2010 @ 8:55pm
Redb said | March 23rd 2010 @ 8:55pm | Report comment
Folks if you wanted proof of the collingwood condition I give you the multiple personality Richard!
Pie fans deserve each other
March 23rd 2010 @ 10:23pm
Richard said | March 23rd 2010 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
RedB. Thanks for the compliment!
March 24th 2010 @ 7:33am
Redb said | March 24th 2010 @ 7:33am | Report comment
ahh the delusion continues
*Cough* Ahem… one premiership in 50 years!
March 24th 2010 @ 8:29am
Richard said | March 24th 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
You are right of course RedB. Hence the link to “Why Collingwood Ruined My Life” above I guess. In that 50 years, Collingwood have appeared in the final series 30 times and played in 12 Grand Finals. The worst period I reckon was the three years between 1979 to 1981, when they appeared in 3 Grand Finals in a row and lost all of them, one to that great Richmond side which had Mick Malhouse in it, another to a dubious last minute boundary umpiring decision which gifted that team from Princess Park. Nevertheless that was a great Collingwood team. You don’t get into three grand finals in a row, five in five years if you include the drawn game in 1977, unless you are a great team. But, even though there’s often not much difference in scores between winners and losers, its a fact of life that you have to win to be recognised. The Pies have a great history, but its not good enough. They need to win more premierships for their effort. I believe the new Collingwood at the Westpac Centre is on the right track to achieve that.
March 24th 2010 @ 8:36am
Redb said | March 24th 2010 @ 8:36am | Report comment
no problems, we share common ground in our dislike of the Princes Park blue fairies.
By Round 5 we will have Hurley back, with hopefully a fit Hille and Ryder and Zaharakis lurking once more it will be a a great game to test ourselves against the Pies once more.
March 24th 2010 @ 11:05am
Richard said | March 24th 2010 @ 11:05am | Report comment
We have our tix. Looking forward to it!
March 25th 2010 @ 3:11pm
Cliff said | March 25th 2010 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Collingwood will be there abouts but the gap last year behind the top three was dreadfully exposed in the finals. Being thrashed when it mattered showed that some of the very same players weren’t up to it. It is alright to have a dream draw and beat up the sides below you, but it is the performance against the good sides that matters. The weak sides don’t play in the finals. Last year the bulldogs were only 14 points behind Geelong and then 7 behind the saints in a game they deserved to win. A big forward and some improvement from the 20 year olds Callan Ward, Josh Hill, Sean Higgins and Harbrow and there will be nothing between them. Geelong is still the team to beat and the saints can improve plenty on their NAB cup performances. Lenny Hayes is a big ommission. Collingwood doesn’t have anyone that good.
Collingwood have recruited well but they still don’t have enough quality midfielders to match it with the elite. The goal to goal line is hardly intimidating and there are many players who struggle to kick into a well set zone. Some players had great seasons last year and will be lucky to play as well again. Finals yes. Cup? In your dreams.