There’s more diving in AFL than football
By Mike Tuckerman, 20 Apr 2010 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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Bernie Vince taking a diving mark during the Round 3 AFL match between Port Adelaide Power and the Adelaide Crows at AAMI Stadium. GSP Images
Switching on the TV on Easter Monday, I found myself watching parts of Geelong’s blockbuster AFL clash with Hawthorn at the MCG. I had little idea of what was going on, but one thing that caught my eye was how long players from each side spent prostrate on the turf.
Since I originally hail from western Sydney – where AFL penetration ranks somewhere between zero to non-existent – I wouldn’t know my fullback from my full-forward.
Needless to say, my interest in the game was minimal, but it didn’t stop Channel Ten’s commentators from breathlessly announcing just how much the “traditional” clash was part of the fabric of Australian culture.
This came as news to me – since I don’t think I’ve ever taken notice of an Aussie Rules match before – and I’d have thought nothing more of my dabble in this strangely foreign sport were it not for a couple of articles by Roar reader Luc Knight last week.
If Luc was looking to stir up the masses, he certainly managed to do just that with a piece entitled “Why football struggles for support in Australia.”
His contention was a noble one – that diving is a blight on the round-ball game.
However, many readers took Luc’s claim that diving was holding back football in Australia as a thinly-veiled attack on the game.
He followed it up with another piece called “Diving in football the best advertisement for other sports,” and this time he quoted Melbourne Victory skipper Kevin Muscat for good measure.
Now, I think it’s great that Luc has shared his personal thoughts on football, and just like Kevin Muscat, he’s certainly entitled to his opinions.
But I don’t agree with his assertion that diving is what’s holding back potential supporters from pouring through A-League turnstiles.
If Australians find going to ground so culturally offensive, I wonder why there were around 70,000 fans inside the MCG on Easter Monday when both Geelong and Hawthorn players seemed to tumble over with dizzying frequency.
And of the many problems currently plaguing the A-League, diving would have to rate somewhere between lousy weather and the lack of hot pies at the concession stands as a genuine concern for Football Federation Australia.
None of this would bother me if it weren’t for the fact that so many within the AFL – from the likes of Andrew Demetriou to the most casual of supporters – seem to consider it their personal duty to lecture football fans on why the round-ball code will “never be the Number 1 sport in Australia.”
Most A-League fans couldn’t care less whether football is the Number 1 code or not, but I can guarantee that it gets incredibly tiresome to hear from folks who have little interest in football about what it should do to attract more fans.
If a few Brazilian prima-donnas trying to milk fouls in the Asian Champions League is enough to put some Australians off ever watching the round-ball game, I can’t help but point out that football will go on without them.
Far from football needing to change to suit the sensibilities of a few disgruntled Australian hold-outs, it’s certain Australians who need to come to grips with the fact that the game is already pretty popular around the globe – with or without their support.
And those who claim that they won’t watch the A-League because of diving are probably being a bit disingenous – I’m Australian, I dislike diving, but the sheer drama of an average football match far outweighs the occasional instances of play-acting.
With the World Cup finals just over fifty days away, long-suffering football fans can expect another flood of barely disguised anti-football rhetoric to hit our media.
But personally, I’d rather see some so-called “divers” go around than watch another game of Aussie Rules.
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Eddie said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:04am | Report comment
One of the reasons Mike there’s so much diving in the AFL is because even those the AFL brought in a rule to punish the divers it’s never been enforced.
Anthony said | April 21st 2010 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
Did we touch a raw nerve with soccer fans, eh??
Brett McKay said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:08am | Report comment
well this can only end well, good luck with this one Mike…
Redb said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:09am | Report comment
Harbow and Lewis collision in the Hawks v Bulldogs game would never happen in soccer. Very different games.
Nice try though.
Al said | April 20th 2010 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Having watched a fair share of lower division English and Scottish football in the 80′s, that “bump” was standard fare, not to mention the butchery of hacked legs at the end of each game. Face it, Aussie Rules isn’t as tough as what you make it out to be, the rugby codes decimate it.
Redb said | April 20th 2010 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Well if i read the article right its comparing Australian football and soccer, not the rugby codes. In fact the type of courage of running back with the flight of the ball with opposition players all around in a 360 degree arc is rarely seen in the rugby codes anyway.
You can’t compare this type of impact of soccer to AFL in terms of on field action.
For the record, I don’t subscribe to the theory about diving being the only reason soccer struggles as a spectator sport in comparison. I think it runs both in terms of historical connection and on field action (physical tackling).
I think Australians like physical tackling, or at least that’s what we are used to seeing in our football codes. We like aggression on the field of battle. Soccer does not offer that.
Kurt said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:14am | Report comment
Mike – if you want to bait Australian Football supporters I really think you need to be a bit more subtle! This article is just a giant fish hook with ‘bite me’ in bright neon lettering above it. Here’s hoping no-one takes a nibble.
Victer said | April 20th 2010 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
73 comments so far, hopefully we’ll get to the 100 mark
Kurt said | April 21st 2010 @ 12:12am | Report comment
Bit of a disappointing performance really, still haven’t cracked the 100 mark. Hopefully we can push on to the 150+ tomorrow.
Monty said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Im predicting 135 posts by 4pm today. Taking all bets!
BigAl said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:50am | Report comment
I’ll put $2.50 on that !
AndyRoo said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:55am | Report comment
I’ve used up my daily quota of Fev jokes (since I actually don’t mind him) or I would be all over this comment BigAl.
Redb said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:57am | Report comment
the human Fev-line in the papers again today.
BigAl said | April 20th 2010 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Well I just tried to enter a post under the name Brendan Fevola saying. . .
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“Put me down for 3 grand or so”
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and it was moderated out !!! – these Roar moderators have no sense of humour
Kurt said | April 21st 2010 @ 12:13am | Report comment
That’s harsh Al, I would definitely have given that comment the thumbs up.
Michael C said | April 20th 2010 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
4pm……was that Eastern Standard Time??
AndyRoo said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:34am | Report comment
At least we learnt Mike is originally from West Sydney so therefore a good guy (the high levels of crime in the area is carried out by Victorians on their way to Rooty Hill)
I did see a little bit of the first quarter of the Lions game on Saturday.
In that time I saw Fevola take a dive because someone grabbed his jersey and he was rewarded with a free kick which I think he missed. He also took an airswing at a ball prone on the ground which i thought was funny but channel ten only replayed it once. I guess I let the team down by not making a fuss earlier about how this will hold back the AFL.
Also observed Crowd looked totally full to me apart from what were either seats for disabled people and corporates. And since the only other team I have any interest in is the Swans (I’m also from West Sydney) I now understand the ugly duckling tag. The lions are 100 times better to watch than the Swans. Despite Fev’s diving and airswings it didn’t seem to detract from the game at all. When they panned the crowd after he was given the free kick no one was leaving, in fact they all seemed happy!!!
As to the A league a bit more intensity would help and an acceptance that third place is probably a good enough platform to be competitive in Asia because people underestimate just how into Sport Aussies are. Their is no football nation of only 22m people getting crowd averages of 36k like the AFL does. The A leagues 10k is far more closer to the mark at what other comparable nations get. It’s actaully better to be 3rd/4th choice in Australia than it is to be first choice football code ina lot of countries.
bold = pum
Michael C said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:44am | Report comment
btw – the Swans are a different kettle of fish this year,…..and are playing a much more vibrant attacking style of footy. See Sydney Swans no longer the ugly ducklings.
Sadly my Rooboys could only stick with them to half time on the weekend and got over run in the 2nd half. Ah well.
btw – there’s a fine line between attempting to ensure the umpire sees that you are being grabbed/retarded and being seen as a ‘stager’……..in our game there’s a class of players (the ‘taggers’, or the defensive ‘run with’ players) who have perfected the skills and turned into an art form the otherwise un complimentary style of play of ‘scragging’……..which previously simply described anyone from Footscray!!!! (Pip????).
btw – AndyRoo – - good point re. >>> “It’s actaully better to be 3rd/4th choice in Australia than it is to be first choice football code ina lot of countries.”
AndyRoo said | April 20th 2010 @ 9:31am | Report comment
“btw – there’s a fine line between attempting to ensure the umpire sees that you are being grabbed/retarded and being seen as a ’stager’”
Michael C…that’s the same point football fans try to make, it’s very rare theirs no contact/impediment to a player before they stop fighting gravity. It’s keeping those defenders honest!
Michael C said | April 20th 2010 @ 10:26am | Report comment
For me – - it’s not diving per se that’s an issue…….because, anyone who knows sport knows that it’s part and parcel of trying to find some form of competitive advantage and finding a way to win a battle when otherwise you might be completely out of position or outgunned,
that’s fine,
for me – - the main issue is always around hating umpires/refs effectively dictating the result,…….in soccer it tends to be more that 1 goal here or there, i.e. a red card or penalty called or NOT called,….can so often dictate ‘overs’ relative to other codes; BUT – - – in my Australian Football, I hate that the AFL has gone with 50m penalties,…..because, at lower levels, such as in the VAFA (Vic Amo’s) – - we have 25m penalties plus red, black and yellow cards. We can always apply a double 25m if need be. We have much more room to move and much greater capacity to punish according to the crime. In the AFL therefore, with a one size fits all and a 50m penalty being such a massive whack…..players can tend to accentuate to try to draw a 50m penalty.
It’s the risk-reward equation. All sports have it.
Al said | April 20th 2010 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Round 1 Sydney vs St Kilda, Riewoldt dive, gets paid a free infront of goal, puts St Kilda in front, Sydney lose all momentum, St Kilda win. Don’t tell me diving has never dictated a result in Aussie Rules.
Michael C said | April 20th 2010 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
Al -
I wasn’t telling you diving has never dictated a result.
Quite the opposite.
Risk and reward.
My complaint was the AFL (the league) – gives too much ‘incentive’ to dive…..so too does soccer. Common issue in fact.
‘All sports have it’
what made you think I was saying otherwise?? (Don’t tell me diving has never dictated a result in Aussie Rules.)
btw – agreed on that game…..and annoyingly umpires are normally a bit over zealous in the early rounds of the season, such that that game played in round 8 or 14 would probably be umpired quite differently)
MC
AndyRoo said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:45am | Report comment
When they panned the crowd after he was given the free kick no one was leaving, in fact they all seemed happy!!!
Except for that bloke who spilled his beer obviously.
md said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Short shorts and bad acting – the AFL is just like a Darlinghurst amateur theatre production really.
I think “AFL divers” deserves a weekly spot on Foxsports FC, TWG or whatever the One HD show is called. That would increase the amount of people in western Sydney who watch any AFL each week by many multiples. Everyone wins. Maybe Sheeds could host it, given that all of the TV studios aren’t too far from his eastern suburbs home.
Tom said | April 20th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Before all hell breaks loose, can I just point out that nowhere in the article does Mike actually say that ‘more diving happens in AFL than football’. Clearly someone at the Roar has attached that headline in order to get a reaction.
They will almost certainly succeed.
This really isn’t that controversial an article, though. All it does is underline why people shouldn’t write articles comparing their own favourite sports to ones they know virtually nothing about. That goes for AFL fans and football fans.
Lazza said | April 20th 2010 @ 10:07am | Report comment
No, it means that people who dislike Football shouldn’t pretend that diving or cheating is the reason they don’t watch the game. People don’t like Football because it’s a big, bad, global monster that’s going to swallow up their favourite sport. That’s the reason they feel compelled to write articles and comments about a game they claim not to be interested in.
Farqwar said | April 20th 2010 @ 10:26am | Report comment
I was going to make a comment but this pretty well sums it up for me.
DiCanio said | April 21st 2010 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Lazza is voice of reason
DB said | April 20th 2010 @ 11:07am | Report comment
You mean like this article Lazza
Maybe some people don’t like soccer becuse they find other things as a better alternative.
Lazza said | April 20th 2010 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
So why do they spend so much time writing and talking negatively about Soccer? Got nothing better to do?
DB said | April 20th 2010 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
you mean like Craig Foster?
Farqwar said | April 20th 2010 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
But the point is, no one comes on and says “Football looks like a great game and similar to AFL in many regards but I think I will stick to AFL as that is the game I grew up with”. I admit that some times I will engage in disparaging other codes but I realise that they wouldn’t be popular if they weren’t enjoyable or didn’t mean a lot to other people. Football isn’t just popular because the world hasn’t discovered AFL yet, its because it’s a great game. And there isn’t something intrinsic in the Australian nature that makes us unable to enjoy football. I see this article as important as it acts as a form of counter hegemony.
Tom said | April 21st 2010 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Good post Farqwar.
Gazza said | April 20th 2010 @ 9:36am | Report comment
I think Mike’s still upset about the article where he was canned IMO quite fairly for this little number ….. World Cup bid makes us truly global citizens.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/29/world-cup-bid-makes-us-truly-global-citizens/
Smell the fear Mike.
BTW i have taken a bite at the hook.
Australian Football said | April 20th 2010 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Gazza,
canned? Not at all in my view, with 208 footballing nations on the planet, you would, have to agree totally with Mike’s article that, following Football does make you truly global. Gawd you wouldn’t be global if you followed AFL would ya…
Michael C said | April 20th 2010 @ 11:38am | Report comment
208 footballing nations……
you counted “Netherlands Antilles” in that didn’t you……..
AndyRoo said | April 20th 2010 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Of course we did, we are massive Sergio Van Dyke fans here on the Roar.
Australian Football said | April 20th 2010 @ 11:59am | Report comment
make it 209 then
Al said | April 20th 2010 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Most people in Europe consider Australia to be as insignificant as the Netherland Antilles. In fact, most people in Europe confuse Australia with the country between Germany and Switzerland.
Michael C said | April 20th 2010 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
Al – ” most people in Europe confuse Australia with the country between Germany and Switzerland.”
Not Denmark…….
Denmark has an Australian princess,
will play the Socceroos again for WC warm up,
and……..has a decent Australian Football League too – with a fair ‘premier division’.
Al said | April 20th 2010 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
She’s not Australian, she gave up her Australian citizenship as a requirement to being princess of Denmark. She is what one would call in this country a “turncoat”.
DiCanio said | April 21st 2010 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Thanks for filling us in. Didn’t know one person could describe how an entire continent felt.
BigAl said | April 20th 2010 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
AF . . you may well be global, but us AFL followers are trim – taught – taught and – terrific, and very proud of it !
Australian Football said | April 20th 2010 @ 8:01pm | Report comment
BigAl,
we Australian Footballers are coached to be: Trim, “Taut” and Terrific. I’m not sure what they taught you down in Melbourne for AFL, but up here in the Northern States we Footballers were definitely “taught” to be: Trim, Taut and Terrific––like all footballers are in the world game in a global sense of the bigger picture that is. Btw Jimbo, would have informed you of that as well.
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AF
BigAl said | April 21st 2010 @ 11:44am | Report comment
Ah yes ! – my spelling mistake -apologies to all.
DB said | April 20th 2010 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
By that logic you wouldn’t be Australian if you didn’t