Forget the money, Cooper should stick with the Reds
By Spiro Zavos, 21 Apr 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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- Greg Martin, Quade Cooper, Reds, Rugby Union, Super Rugby

Reds Quade Cooper is tackled by Chiefs Brendon Leonard in a Super 14 Rugby match, Waikato Stadium, Hamilton, New Zealand, Friday, March 05, 2010. AAP Image/NZPA, Wayne Drought.
The Australian’s rugby writer, Wayne Smith, is a passionate supporter of the Queensland Reds. Only Greg Martin among the rugby media personalities matches his Reds-eyed view of the rugby world. Smith, accordingly, has written a characteristically passionate article advising Quade Cooper to stay true to the Reds.
The opening paragraph of the Smith story gives a flavour of his argument: “Quade Cooper needs his head read if he thinks mere money will compensate him for what he would lose if he walked out on Queensland.”
Notice the emotive tone of the argument.
As a matter of fact, I agree with Smith. And the reasons are those expressed by Smith in his article, and several others.
Smith’s first point is that “something extraordinary is building at the Reds”, and the young side, with an average age of 24, should stick together to complete the transition from Super Rugby no-hopers to a team that is capable of winning the title this year, and more certainly in other years.
But only if the stars like Cooper stay with the side.
As Smith points out, Cooper is the “main beneficiary” of a no-name Reds forward pack that won all the ball against the Bulls, with Will Genia giving Cooper “the ride of his life” with his lovely, long sweeping passes.
If Cooper goes to the Western Force, he won’t have Genia inside him making him look great, rather than good. A partnership that “potentially could become the best halves in Australian rugby history” would be shattered.
This is a big call.
Think Catchpole-Hawthorn and Farr-Jones-Ella, for instance. But there is something in it.
Genia has already placed himself, in my opinion, right up there with Des Connor, Ken Catchpole, and John Hipwell in the holy trinity of the greatest Australian halfbacks.
Cooper’s play this season, with his wonderfully slick passing, his smooth running and backing-up and even the occasional headless-chicken step, has seen him set a standard that no one else in Super Rugby, not even the great Daniel Carter, has matched.
I would add two more words for Cooper to consider when he weighs up the merits of taking the Western Force money: Matt Giteau.
It’s history now that Giteau’s move to the Western Force has been something of a disaster.
The Firepower money did not come through in the golden stream promised to him. More importantly, Giteau’s play did not go up a notch or two to put him in the master play-maker territory.
This would probably, certainly in my view, happen to Cooper as well.
The final point is this.
When youngsters become All Blacks they invariably say they want to be great All Blacks. The rewards of their rugby talent are NOT seen as financial by most of these youngsters.
When they are older, perhaps, the Hayman factor, making hay while the sun shines, occasionally comes in.
But for the most part, the youngsters see a spiritual element in playing in the black jersey. They get an inner buzz, as it were, from making their mark in rugby history.
This should be Cooper’s goal, too, and the goal of any young Australian rugby player.
They are well paid for what they do. There are even more riches towards the end of their career. But in their prime, they owe it to themselves, to the supporters who pay their wages, and to lovers of the game everywhere, to produce a brand of rugby that makes strong men want to weep.
The aim should be to become a “great Wallaby.”
In Quade Cooper’s case, this can only be achieved by sticking with the Reds. And Will Genia.
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warrenexpatinnz said | April 21st 2010 @ 5:33am | Report comment
Believe Cooper will stay with the Reds but it will cost however I think it is a worthwhile investment for both QRU and the ARU.
As I have said before unless the Force sign a new coach for this season coming as in Jake White then Cooper would be walking into a transitional mess.
I hear young the half back has quit so that may help Cooper over the final doubt as no suitable replacement on the horizon?
Deez said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:15am | Report comment
The youngster, Justin Turner, has looked pretty good when he has come off the bench, so one must assume that he is at least a strong contender for the longterm Force halfback spot (over Sheehan, in my mind). That said, he’ll be a long step down from Genia, particularly in the short term.
Great article Spiro.
Justin said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
O’Young is 29 but I was surprised he called it quits. He has been the next best 9 this year in AUS.
mw said | April 21st 2010 @ 6:10am | Report comment
Any talk of QC’s future without mention of a court case is only telling half the story. I wish him the best but think nobody should be making plans until that is over.
Wavell Wakefield said | April 21st 2010 @ 6:27am | Report comment
The transfer of Berrick Barnes hasn’t been all swings and roundabouts. One of the key things for Cooper to weigh up is how strong the coaching is at the other Australian franchises.
Interesting to see how highly you rate Genia, Spiro. I think he’s a great talent, but remember the cautionary tale of Gregan: he was a legend across the world prior to his slow and achingly painful demise.
JohnB said | April 21st 2010 @ 7:56am | Report comment
I wish my rugby career died the way Gregan’s did.
BennO said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:50am | Report comment
hahahahaha! Classic! I’d take it as well.
Mike G said | April 21st 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Spot on JB, and his superanuation payments are still being paid by his Japanese hosts!!!! Tough way to go out!!
Shahsan said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
No, he wasn’t. He was good but not great.
Apelu Tielu said | April 21st 2010 @ 6:55am | Report comment
Spiro, In the the bygone years, rugby was just an excuse to have a beer with mates after a match. Today, it is a career; it is a livelihood, and a high risk one due to injuries, loss of form, etc. Sure, wearing that national jersey should still be important, but i doubt young players see it as the main reason to play rugby nowadays. Have a look at what they say when they make decisions about where to play: it’s mostly the future of their families. But it is a no brainer that Cooper’s financial and rugby future is with the Reds, even if the money that the Reds offer is smaller than what the Force is offering. His rugby is likely to prosper if he stays, and that can mean better financial rewards in the long term. I cannot see the same happening to his rugby if he goes to the Force. So the short term may look good, but he may, in the end, be worse off.
mungo said | April 21st 2010 @ 7:15am | Report comment
More money for Cooper means more money for his manager, he’s the one who should be dragged across the coals and be made to stand up in front of 26,000 Qld fans or more at the next game and give a “please explain”. His star charge will be worth a lot more in years to come no doubt about that.
Harry said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:58am | Report comment
You’ve nailed it Mungo re the Agent.
I’d guess if it was just Quade’s decision and thinking, he’d stay in Queensland. He actually strikes me as being someone who loves rugby, and loves playing the game first and foremost. And he’d be no different from 99.9% of the population who want to be paid as much as possible.
My guess is the key driver in all of this Force speculation is his agent who can see a big big pay day coming HIS way if he can shift Quade to the Force, 20% these characters get I think as a minimum I think. Having been at the periphry of a few of these deals for both NRL and rugby players I know it is often more.
As I said yesterday about Hynes senior’s efforts … More transparency about what players and agents are being paid and offered would solve or at least massively defuse these very destructive and distracting situations. However such a move towards more disclosure would I’m sure be violently opposed by the agents, RUPA, the players and yes, the ARU and S14 teams (I refuse to refer to them as “frnachises FFS!).
Rockin Rod said | April 23rd 2010 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Mungo i dont think QC manager needs the money, he has the same manager as Tiger Woods and Federer
sheek said | April 21st 2010 @ 7:18am | Report comment
Yeah, agree with the overall sentiments. Cooper might be losing money in the short-term, but there would be greater long-term benefits for him sticking with the Reds.
Compare with Barnes, who thought he was leaving a sinking ship for greener pastures. I wonder what Barnes would be saying now, if we could get inside his head?
And Cooper’s partnership with Genia can’t be overstated.
Rockin Rod said | April 23rd 2010 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Sorry Sheek, totally disagree.
Cooper is on his last warning with ARU, if he farts he will have his contract torn up. Your career can be shortened due to injury and already and you may be only playing for around 10 years. In QC case it can be even shorter due to off field stuff ups. If i was his family i would be advising him to take the money now and set yourself up for life.
I doubt QC would have a degree to fall back on
Rabbitz said | April 21st 2010 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Although this could all be a pipe-dream anyway. Isn’t he facing a break, enter, steal charge?
Hoy said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:49am | Report comment
My opinion these days regarding young players is they have a very inflated view of their self worth. They think they are worth a lot more than they really are.
So when they have a good season, they want instant gratification with an increase in their pay packet. They have no sense of team, other than the usual “the boys did well” interviews, they have no sense of what the fans have put up with from them, they have no sense of playing for the game anymore.
People will howl and say the game is professional what else do you expect, or as above already stated, they have short shelf lives, and must get the most out of it etc. Yeah, you are correct, but this is sport too. Fans have a stake in this, and shouldn’t be sold out.
I also reckon when players shift within Australia, it really seems to stunt their development/play/form.
Name me a player that has improved his game by shifting franchises in Australia? I can’t think of one, but am happy to be corrected. Most I can think of have stalled in the move.
What makes players make these greener pastures decisions? They certainly aren’t thinking of the best thing for their football that is for sure. They are thinking singularly of the pay packet. They should be making the decisions on an honest, gutsy apparaisal that less is more sometimes. If they have any convictions about what is the decent thing to do, the money shouldn’t matter. Hell, I am sure it is much more than I could dream to earn anyway.
Just my opinion.
IronAwe said | April 21st 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
The Faingaa Brothers moving from the Brumbies to the Reds has definitely improved their game. But I agree with the overall sentiment of your post, just thought I’d give an example of someone who has benefited.
Hoy said | April 21st 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
True. Good one. I couldn’t believe the Reds bought them, but they have really come on this year.
Mike G said | April 21st 2010 @ 10:42am | Report comment
You could easily add Van Humphries to that list…
Harry said | April 21st 2010 @ 9:13am | Report comment
I think a lot of players have moved to the Brumbies in recent years (eg. Moore, Chapman, Chisolm, Valentine, Elsom) because:
1) The culture of “player power” which served the Brumbies so well from 96 to 04.
2) Associated to this, a reputation for developing players and getting them into Wallaby jerseys.
My view is this successful culture became corrupted by the players after 2004 who rested on their laurels and dodged the hard decisions and work. The results speak for themselves – not Reds 05-09 style bad, but ultimately mediocre – no finals appearances since then.
The Tahs made the grand final twice since then (my view was their best chance was in 2006 but they were derailed by Wendell’s coke bust at the critical time of the season) and now this year we have had the almost miraculous Qld resurgence. The link to these two standout performances by Aus super 14 teams in the last 5 years is of course, The Link himself, who I understand is a straight talking hard taskmaster.
Daniel J said | April 21st 2010 @ 9:51am | Report comment
I don’t think it’s the players who think that initially, i think it’s the players agents who are guilty of inflating their principles asking price… makes sense because they are the ones getting the 10-15% of any deal struck. It’s actually getting tiresome hearing about all this speculation in the papers, it’s all got to do with contract negotiations, agents deliberately fan these stories to up the asking price of each competing club… the cat’s out of the bag so to speak, everybody knows what’s going on, as if Quade would move? i bet any money who was never considering a move that would be a disaster professionally, he just wants a little bit more money for his next contract that’s all
dodgy said | April 21st 2010 @ 11:19am | Report comment
I think times have changed somewhat with regards to “playing for the team” and “playing for the love of the game”. Like it or not Rugby (and arguably all the other football codes for that matter) are run like employment for these blokes. The only difference from your standard 9-5 career however is that the player knows they have a limited lifespan. At best 10-15 years and in the worst case scenario, cop a career-ending injury and all of a sudden its over tomorrow. Although I can understand your sentiments, I can also understand while players try to “make hay while the sun shines” and while their agents would push them so (because their paypackets depend on the player playing).
Hammer said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:51am | Report comment
“Cooper’s play this season, with his wonderfully slick passing, his smooth running and backing-up and even the occasional headless-chicken step, has seen him set a standard that no one else in Super Rugby, not even the great Daniel Carter, has matched.”
…I’m assuming you mean this season – because surely you cannot be talking about the whole of the Super 12-14 competition ..
Apelu Tielu – above is correct – rugby is a career to these guys now – money is an important factor – esp in a contact sport such as rugby where season / career ending injury could just be around the corner … QRU are broke – if the Force offer Cooper 3 / 4 times what the Reds do – who out there wouldn’t turn such a salary increase down …
Mick Gold Coast QLD said | April 21st 2010 @ 11:17pm | Report comment
I read what Spiro said there – “not even … Carter has matched” – and continued reading in a daze. I say Spiro is off with the fairies on that score.
Cooper and his manager are having a jolly good wank about his extraordinary, unique, world’s best mightiness – I suspect he will be a mere also ran sooner than everyone thinks.
Rockin Rod said | April 23rd 2010 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
Hammer spot on, if another company was going to offer me double to what i am on now i would go for sure. He will still be in wallabies anyways. Who is to say Genia wont follow him a year later or would get injured if he stayed
stuff happens said | April 21st 2010 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Touting your value around for all & sundry is part of the bidding process for the modern athlete.At 20 something they can be excused for thinking that life is all or mainly about money – encouraged by agents and sponsors (if they’re lucky).Tough calls – but life I’m afraid.
Look at European football and rugby, whether we like it or not, will follow, despite a few silly & temporary roadblocks by the administrators.
The lure of the lucre will be too great.