Storm and Rebels are in the Melbourne wars together
By Spiro Zavos, 28 Apr 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Rod Macqueen, the coach of the Melbourne Rebels, is being a man of his word and smart in honouring the agreement his franchise has with the Melbourne Storm that it will not poach its players. The brutal fact is that the Storm and the Rebels have to work together to succeed in Melbourne.
Their enemy is not each other, as it probably is in NSW and Queensland.
In Melbourne they have a common enemy which is determined to stop them succeeding: the city’s power elite and its sports media. If you want to put a face to this unholy AFL-obsessed alliance, it is a mug shot of Eddie McGuire.
McGuire is the club president of Collingwood, a media personality and a AFL broadcaster. Like most people of his circle he seems to detest the rugby codes (a fanaticism he revelled in when he ran – disastrously – Channel 9).
The most recent eruption of the McGuire bile towards the rugby codes is the diatribe in the Sunday Herald-Sun in which he attacked the Brumby Government’s development of a rectangular ground in Melbourne to cater for professional rugby league, rugby union and football.
“Is it too late to lengthen the ground and smooth of the edges?” he asks in his article.
We need a little bit of history to explain the nature of the football wars in Melbourne.
In the 1960s, a group of Melbourne sports historians dubbed the boundary lines between NSW and Queensland on one side and Victoria and South Australia on the other as the Barassi Line.
South of the Barassi Line was designated AFL territory, totally and permanently. North of the Barassi Line was rugby league and rugby union territory, but land that needed to be conquered by the AFL.
When the Swans were re-established in Sydney, they were given a strong welcome by the power elite (people like Mike Willesee, for instance, jumped on board) and the media, especially the influential Sydney Morning Herald, which gave the code a designated columnist to spread the AFL gospel.
The Sydney Swans are now successfully entrenched as part of the sporting landscape of the city.
But against the advice of the Swans, the AFL is now emboldened to take rugby league on even more directly by starting a team in the western suburbs of Sydney, the heartland of the rugby league game.
This attack northwards across the Barassi Line has been backed by a huge AFL war chest and lots of chest-thumping about the inevitable and overwhelming triumph of its self-styled superior football code. There has been no appreciation or thanks to the Sydney media and power elite for supporting the Swans.
And there has certainly been no reciprocal help from the Melbourne power elite or media for the Storm in its 10-year struggle to establish a beachhead in territory south of the Barassi Line.
The smart people behind the Melbourne Rebels have realised that it is going to be a hard, possibly impossible task, to get the same acceptance from the Melbourne power elite as the Swans get from their equivalent group in Sydney. So they have made the eminently sensible decision to present themselves to the Melbourne public as a Melbourne team.
The name Rebels is appropriated from the rebels involved in the Eureka Stockade episode, an iconic event in the shaping of Victoria’s identity.
The deal with the Storm not to poach their players is another part of the plan.
Supporters of the Storm (many of them rugby union followers starved of an oval-ball team to follow) are also potential supporters of the Rebels. This notion is being encouraged with the news that the Brisbane Bronco’s Israel Falou, a former Storm star, is close to signing with the Rebels.
An intriguing development for the Storm in recent days has also justified the Rebels approach. It seems that Melbourne supporters of the Storm are rallying around their club.
There was a strong crowd to watch the Storm smash the Warriors over the weekend. More importantly, more than 300 people have signed on for memberships since the Stormgate debacle erupted.
Here’s the punch line: why is this support coming forward?
Because the draconian decisions taken by the NRL to punish the Storm for the club’s salary cap rorts have created an anti-Sydney sentiment from supporters.
And the more anti-Sydney the Storm and the Rebels are perceived south of the Barassi Line, the more likely it is that a significant supporter base for the two clubs can be established.
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rugbyfuture said | April 28th 2010 @ 2:41am | Report comment
so your not looking for a job as a presenter at channel nine, im guessing?
it is an interesting point you make, hwever i think there is another thing we must look at. There are many melbournians in Sydney, and, from what i understand, not nearly as many sydney siders (permanent residents) living in melbourne. This gave way for an afl culture in Sydney. Furthermore these media institutions you would think will have to tread carefully now, through the harold mitchell ownership, his company has sucha symbiotic relationship with them, and whether people like it or not, personal decisions do effect a business mind.
One thing also that i think people overlook often, is that however small the community is, the Victorian Rugby community is still quite strong and has perhaps outlived what the aussie rules blokes may have prefferred.
The final thing though, is the fact that the AFL is managed so well, and has inspired a culture in its history which will always support it. The weight of their power can be judged by the daring nature of their expansion teams, and the success in installing these. The sport is percieved as both masculine and safe (contrary to rugby, league and soccer) and they have the unique ability to pay kids to sign up to play. Its not going away anytime soon, and the other codes MUST have something to fall back on. Some do, some don’t, time will tell.
Kurt said | April 28th 2010 @ 2:43am | Report comment
Oh dear oh dear oh dear Spiro, even by your intellectually muddled standards this is a ludicrous piece of writing. So the ‘power elites’ in Melbourne have ganged up on the Storm. How exactly? By building them a brand new stadium (which incidentally I support 100%)? But hang on, Eddie Maguire doesn’t like it and he speaks for the entire AFL doesn’t he?
And how exactly does the Rebels decision to present themselves to the Melbourne public as a Melbourne team represent some fundamental clash with the Melbourne power elite? What were they supposed to do, present themselves as a Sydney team???
the key difference between the profile of the AFL in Sydney and NRL in Melbourne is that the former insisted as part of their TV rights negotiations that the Swans receive live FTA coverage, whereas the NRL did not do the same with the Storm. That’s hardly the result of a dark conspiracy by the shadowy power elites, it’s because Buckley and Demtriou know how to negotiate a TV deal whereas Gallop doesn’t.
But that’s a bit too simple isn’t it, much better to adopt the soccer supporters mantra and claim everyone is out to get you.
Billo Boy said | April 28th 2010 @ 6:09am | Report comment
Just because the Swans and AFL are on Sydney tv at sensible watching hours doesn’t mean diddly to the code’s profile when so few people actually tune in. Talk it up anyway you like, AFL still has no genuine profile in Sydney. The tv ratings for AFL in SYdney are pathetic.
Kurt said | April 28th 2010 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Huh? It’s not me talking up the AFL’s profile in Sydney, it’s Spiro.
Billo Boy said | April 28th 2010 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
I was referring to your 2nd last paragraph.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Just as long as you know all Swans games are also consecutively live on Foxtel commercial free.
JamesP said | April 28th 2010 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
His second last paragraph says that due to the AFL’s superior management, they were able to negotiate a TV deal better than what Gallop & co did. Whats so wrong with that?
I have said it before and I will say it again…The swans are more popular in Sydney than the Storm in Melbourne
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 5:05am | Report comment
What a load of prejudiced tripe.
The face(s) of football in Victoria are the thousands who attended AFL games last weekend. Has always been thus long before Eddie.
I’ve never read one positive word tom you about Aussie Rules or the Swans.
The diatribe AFL cops from the Sydney media in particular your SMH mate Roy Masters and the entire editorial direction of the Daily Telegraph is nothing compared to the odd misdirected piece from McGuire.
Wake up you are suffering from the same bias you accuse Victorians of.
It would be a shame for the Rebels if you and your ilk start down this road.
The Storm made an early mistake with claiming a superior football code for us Vics to embrace, I wouldn’t tread that path.
Kurt said | April 28th 2010 @ 7:45am | Report comment
One can only hope for the sake of the Rebels, who I would personally very much like to succeed have some people smarter than Spiro advising them on their marketing strategy. If this is indicative of the attitude of journos covering the team then look forward to indifference, tiny crowds and constant soccer-like claims of “the media is against us, it’s a conspiracy!”
The Link said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:03am | Report comment
where to start with this rant….
umm, actually thought Spiro was pretty positive re the Swans.
also when did the Storm claim that RL was a superior football code?
ah yes the “odd” negative piece against the avalanche of negative press teaming up on the AFL, lets get the violin out.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Do you or Spiro even know the Sydney Swans are on top of the ladder? Pffft. thought so.
The Storm came to Melbourne proclaiming in the media that “we’ll give them a real game to watch”. John Ribot?, can’t remember who exactly said it but it stuck.
The Link said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:12am | Report comment
ah yes I do cause in Sydney there’s a pretty balanced coverage of all sports.
yeah it stuck so much you can’t even remember who said it.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Rubbish, the Daily Telegraph is dominated by rugby league, all other sports well at the back.
Pretty sure it was John Ribot. It was 1998 therefore cant find a link. Regardless it wasnt said in isolation the whole arrogant attitude was one of parachuting a great RL regiment in to expunge and show up the Victorian game.
p.s. This thread’s got off to a good start.
The Link said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
DT isn’t the only Sydney paper, but even then you get a fair idea of the 4 football codes.
Sydney quite likes the Swans, esp in the eastern suburbs and north shore, so they get a pretty good run in all media.
Can’t recall the arrogance, but Ribot v McGuire? lets call it even…
ricardo said | April 28th 2010 @ 5:46am | Report comment
mark my words..the rebels are gonna blow both the storm and afl out of the water..the same way rugby union is giving gaelic football a beating in Ireland..rugby is an international code (promoting middle-class values that appeal to the masses sick of dumb uneducated nrl/afl boofheads) afl and the nrl are not..go the rebels!!
Apelu Tielu said | April 28th 2010 @ 6:02am | Report comment
I’ve tried for nearly 20 years to enjoy the AFL and NRL, but I just cannot get over the fact that these sports are really for the dumb witted, with no skills other than catching the ball, run, and kicking. Only grid iron beats them.
mcxd said | April 28th 2010 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Apelu, youd be tarred and feathered in some parts of victoria for saying that.
Kurt said | April 28th 2010 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Catching, running and kicking play no part in Rugby Union presumably?
The Link said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Welcome to the hubris and elitism of Rugby Union Melbourne. Now perhaps you’ll get what’s happened in NSW and QLD over the last 102 years.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Welcome to the hubris and delusion of Collingwood.
Jason said | July 1st 2010 @ 10:37pm | Report comment
Presumably it has other skills…
BigAl said | April 28th 2010 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
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…the rebels are gonna blow both the storm and afl out of the water..
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– well there’s squat signs of this happening in Australia ! – I’m not qualified to comment on Ireland .
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Do you live in Australia ???
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. – what a laugh !!
Billo Boy said | April 28th 2010 @ 6:11am | Report comment
“Supporters of the Storm (many of them rugby union followers starved of an oval-ball team to follow)”
Huh? Is the AFL ball round?
Ken said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Not only that but I’m curious over the assumption that many of the Storms supporters are really starved Union fans. Firstly it’s not a common attitude amongst Unionites to even admit that the games are inherently similar (I think the best parts are anyway), so the idea that large amounts of Union supporters in Victoria thought ‘close enough’ doesn’t strike me as likely.
Secondly though, is there any basis behind the continued assumptions that Union is more popular than League in Victoria? I’m not suggesting League is a powerhouse down there but League in Australia has a higher profile generally and there has been a professional team in Melbourne for more than a decade now. I’m not death riding the Rebels or anything but I can’t imagine they are going to have it any easier than the Storm.
Dave said | April 29th 2010 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Ken, the storms might have played in Melbourne for more than a decade now but rugby is still popular and have more players and juniors than league.
oikee said | April 28th 2010 @ 6:27am | Report comment
Hey Spiro, do rugby league a favour will you, if your going to attack AFL, dont bring rugby league into it, we have already suffered at the hands of this code in Melbourne. They have dragged our code down to gutter level, we dont need you pitting us against them with rugby union. Your on your own buddy. Good luck.
Troy said | April 28th 2010 @ 7:30am | Report comment
The mind boggles..
Breeze said | April 28th 2010 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Take the blinkers off. The Swans are Sydney’s biggest football club and currently sit top of the ladder of Australia biggest football league (by a long long way), I challenge you to find a single line in a major Sydney daily discussing that fact.
On the other side Melbourne papers are awash with stories about League, Union and Soccer despite that very few in Victoria gives a toss about any of those codes. The bias in the Sydney media is so obvious it’s a wonder there isn’t a royal commission. Might I remind you also that News Ltd owns the NRL, that no media organization has any stake in promoting the AFL.
Your historical divisions are an anachronism, they no longer apply. The AFL is relatively strong in Sydney and is very popular in Queensland, no thanks to the media in either of those states which has been openly hostile.
Chris said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:08am | Report comment
“The Swans are Sydney’s biggest football club”
Iron Chef FC?
Breeze said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
Maybe the rugby matches should have a cook-off at half time or play with a frozen chicken, it might improve attendances. It’s interesting that the few times I ever hear of the Iron Chef is when the Sydney media is talking AFL, I wonder why that is?
Shodan said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
So their is someone watching the swans on TV.
True Tah said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Breeze
Sydney FC would be Sydney’s biggest football club of any code.
Breeze said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:16am | Report comment
If you’re talking about soccer that is completely absurd. Can we please not drag this down into stupidity? The point is that the claims by the author that there is a Sydney media elite biased towards the AFL don’t stand up to the reality of what happens in the Sydney media.
The Answer said | April 28th 2010 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
On what grounds?! Memberships? crowd figures? Losses??
Baz35 said | April 28th 2010 @ 8:58pm | Report comment
That’s a bazaar claim. The Swans would turnover almost double the nearest RL club ($30+ million), have 50% bigger average attendance’s and 3 times the memberships. Sydney FC by both attendance and certainly by turnover would be smaller than the smallest RL club….
King of the Gorganites said | April 29th 2010 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
but still no one outside the east and north shore care about the game!
Ken said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:15am | Report comment
You’re mis-informed if you think that the media in Sydney is hostile to the Swans or AFL in general. An occasional column from a designated ‘opinionated’ writer doesn’t out-weigh the very accessible and widespread coverage in newspapers, radio and TV. Despite this though it’s profile is very low, it’s not ‘our’ game anymore than RL is yours and in the foreseeable future it’s going to be a niche player here.
‘AFL is the much bigger football league (by a long long way)’ – arrogance or ignorance? AFL is ahead on most indicators at the moment but it’s by nowhere near the margin you are portraying – both of them are successful, growing competitions based on huge amounts of tradition and passion. Why the big chip on your shoulder about ‘the other side’?
Breeze said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:22am | Report comment
If you don’t agree then please take up my challenge. While you’re at it take a look at the Melbourne newspaper websites and compare the rugby coverage to that of the AFL in Sydney, do it. I’m tired of pointing out the obvious to people that would rather live under a security blanket, I’ve merely stated a fact. If you don’t like that then fine – ignore reality.
Dogs Of War said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:27am | Report comment
I would, but that would mean I have to buy the Daily Telegraph, and I wouldn’t be seen dead buying that rag.
Lazza said | April 28th 2010 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
I’d like to have the job as the Football writer on the Daily Telegraph. It seems pretty easy since most of the Football stories are written by Rugby League journalists.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:22am | Report comment
How’s this from our friend Roy Masters yesterday, an article about RL State of Origin which I agree is a great rivalry in Australian sport:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/players-turn-up-thrill-level-in-encounters-that-still-heave-with-menace-20100426-tnez.html
But then inexplicably comes this:
“It survives because it does not require gimmicks or the pathetic barbs the AFL’s Greater Western Sydney coach, Kevin Sheedy, has used to ignite a feud with the Swans and attract public interest.”
WTF has that to do with RL SOO?
Prejudice, bias, hatred of another code from a Sydneysider?
Roy, Carlton V Collingwood tune in also for some great rivalry.
Dogs Of War said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:25am | Report comment
You have to admit that Kevin Sheedy is pretty much over the top everytime he opens his mouth.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:37am | Report comment
That maybe true, but what has it go to do with a piece soaking up the experience of RL SOO?
As a one off you’d dismiss it as a poor comparison.
JF said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Yeah, that was an odd comment from masters, I agree with him, but it had nothing to do with what he was talking about.
JamesP said | April 28th 2010 @ 5:44pm | Report comment
Of course he is over the top…he is doing the job he was paid to do and that it talk publicity. Ask yourself how many Sydney siders new what “GWS” was before Sheedy, and how many after.
JVGO said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:14am | Report comment
I’ll admit it. I’m a RL fan from Sydney (living in the US) and I hate the AFL. It’s a threat to my culture, and it wants to be and admits it. WHen it was just a Mexican sport I actually followed Carlton and didn’t mind it at all.
Dogz R Barkn said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:38am | Report comment
All the way from the US, you perceive that the AFL is threatening your culture?
That’s one of the more unique perspectives I’ve seen on the Roar.
Ken said | April 29th 2010 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Actually it’s kind of the point I was trying to make. Personally I don’t think this even rates a mention on the list of all-time code bashing pieces that we’ve seen from journalists of all codes but, regardless, I don’t think this outweighs the couple of pages later in the sports section that would have been given over to ‘friendly’ reporting of the AFL. Or the quite significant reporting and live coverage it gets on TV and radio here.
I’m not saying that never a bad word is said about them only that there’s a huge amount of unbiased, friendly (for want of a better word) coverage of AFL in Sydney – really more than it’s profile merits. The occasional ‘opinion’ piece in the low-rent DT just happens to be the only thing that sparks your attention in our media.
Dogz R Barkn said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:32am | Report comment
To add to what Breeze is saying, the SMH does not have an aussie rules main category on the online version of its sports pages, but both Melbourne papers carry categories on all four football codes.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | April 28th 2010 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Don’t know what version of SMH you read, but my version does.
JamesP said | April 28th 2010 @ 5:48pm | Report comment
Theyt have a section up the top, but not on the side down. Having said that, the only sports that have that are “Salary Cap Crisis” lol, League, Union and “Football”. And they have the same soccer articles in the “more sports” section as they do in the “football” section!.
So that is hardly surprising…and another reason why the AFL wants to have 2 teams in Sydney…more local teams to talk about, game every week, derby etc.
Aljay said | April 28th 2010 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
The Swans are on top of the ladder? Good luck finding anyone in Sydney who knows that.
JK said | April 28th 2010 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Here’s one.
rugbyfuture said | April 28th 2010 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
yeh i knew too, just don’t care, although theres some fans around most i’ve found come from victorian families
Norm said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:35pm | Report comment
-”I challenge you to find a single line in a major Sydney daily discussing that fact.”…which just about reflects AFL’s position in the Eastern states.
Steph said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:38pm | Report comment
“Melbourne papers are awash with stories about League, Union and Soccer ” – hmm…awash…are you referring to the Herald Sun? Didn’t see todays paper but typically for every 10+ pages of AFL (plus the front few pages) there is one or two pages of soccer, one page on NRL (the storm) and about one story a week on S14 Rugby Union – and only if there’s a Rebels story to print. Haven’t seen the Sydney papers recently but when I lived in Brisbane several years ago, the Courier Mail gave AFL better coverage than all the other sports get in Melbourne so if your going to start talking about print media bias in sports coverage the Herald Sun would be at the top of the list.
Michael C said | April 28th 2010 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Spiro -
you might find when the Swans were shipped up to Sydney that the VFL was NOT flush with cash, let alone possessing of a ‘war chest’.
kingplaymaker said | April 28th 2010 @ 8:46am | Report comment
The question this article implicitly suggests is: if the Rebels were to destroy the Storm by acquiring say Inglis, Slater, Cronk, would that be to their advantage or disadvantage in the Melbourne sporting marketplace?
One point worth remembering in this context is that Super rugby offers a quite different type of competition from the NRL. It is international, designed to seem as large-scale as possible by being state-based: basically it is not the same thing as the AFL.
The NRL, however, IS the same thing as the AFL, that is a national competition with a large number of teams most of which are located in regions of cities, and do not represent entire states. It is DIRECT competition of like for like.
So to begin with the Melbourne AFL-supporting ‘media and power elite’ may not feel Rugby is such a threat, as it is not competition of the same type.
Secondly, as it offers a larger-scale and more international appeal than the NRL it may attract fans fans in a way that they cannot. This means it does not need to consider its strength as dependent on the existence of another code, as it has attractions which are perhaps more effective than it. Melburnians already have a national football code: they may not feel the need for another one (NRL) but might be interested in a more international, larger-scale sport.
In conclusion this all means that it perhaps isn’t necessary for the Rebels to respect the Storm or think they need them and that they’re on the same side.
In the end aren’t the Storm a negative presence too which rubs off on them? If what is said in this article is true and the Melbourne elite dislike league so much wouldn’t it be better not to align with them? That would surely lead to the two being identified together which would rub off badly on the Rebels, who would offer otherwise a harmless international sport which would not compete with the AFL as a national one. Destroying the Storm would eliminate this dangerous identification.
The Link said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:08am | Report comment
If it was just down to international appeal than Football would be the biggest sport in this country. If people from Melbourne want to watch an international code i’m sure they’ll watch the Victory in the ACL.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Agree.
would warn against being international somehow creating a unique/special sporting situation in Melbourne. Of course we have a tennis tournament that has some sport of international element, the F1 Grand Prix, Melbourne Cup, big Socceroo games, even some Wallaby games.
The ACL failed to capture the imagination of the Melbourne sporting public. There are other reasons, like being on during the week, MV’s lack of form/injuries, but regardless the recent crowds were 6-7K. No-one knows who the Asian sides are and frankly few care.
The ARU are banking more on local derbies to draw crowds than games against NZ or SAF sides who are meaningless in the Australian landscape. This is a fact.
Carlton v Collingwood this Sunday will draw more people than the entire round of Aust based Super 14 games last weekend which was lauded by the ARU as a huge success.
Justin said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Redb – Understand some of your points. There are a few major differences though re soccer and Super Rugby.
Super Rugby is considered the best (or equal) comp in the world. The ACL is not even near that standard.
There are many NZ and SA expats living in AUS so to say their teams are meaningless in AUS isnt really true. Granted they draw less people but QLD had 30k and WA had 20k against foreign teams on the w/e.
There will be many more derbies next year (ala Carlton/Collingwood) which will increase crowds and exposure. That is fact.
I agree that it being an international comp is not necessarily a positive and that that alone will lure people through the gates or watch on TV. That comes from playing attractive football and building your community and involving them in your game.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:35am | Report comment
Justin,
I’ve been looking forward to a Melb Super rugby team for 5 years and was pretty disappointed when Perth got the nod.
But I won’t cop Spiro’s holier than thou were all brainwashed by the media BS. I go to AFL games regularly, some good, some bad, some an unbeleivable electrifying contest that few sports can match.
We Vics know our sport and enjoy AFL football for good reason.
Dogz R Barkn said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Let’s not raise expectations, very few Australian sporting events are comparable to a Carlton v Collingwood home and away game.
If they were to meet in a grand final for the first time in 30 years, you could safely say that nothing would be comparable.
JF said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:56am | Report comment
Few sporting codes are comparable to AFL fullstop, attendance wise.
It is like comparing the internationality of football with any other sport – it pretty much blows every other professional sport out of the water. The combination of some key elements to the sport have given rise to this. Likewise some key elements of the sport of AF have all lined up to produce astronomical attendances.
Lazza said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:46am | Report comment
If you could win a game in the ACL then people would care. It’s big here in Adelaide and does more to promote our city than the AFL ever will. That’s not a dig at the AFL just a fact. A Rugby franchise would be nice as well for those of us that like international sports. Together we might get a decent rectangular stadium built here in Adelaide.
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:14am | Report comment
Good for Adelaide. I visit there regularly on business and it needs all the promotion it can get.
The Crows are far bigger though than anything else in Adelaide.
kingplaymaker said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:28am | Report comment
The Link it isn’t JUST down to international appeal. That’s one element in many.
Hombre said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:41am | Report comment
This may have been almost based in fact if the NRL didn’t have the Warriors playing in their competition and the S15 has severely watered down their international aspect …
The Link said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:22am | Report comment
kingplaymaker, so the other point of “difference” is its state based? Rediculous, the Rebels will compete for fans and corporate dollars just like every other football code team does.
kingplaymaker said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:39am | Report comment
I mean Link that Super rugby attracts by being international, then state-based which gives it a scale neither the NRL nor AFL possess, and finally it is connected to the large full international game itself taking residual glamour from that as well.