Storm and Rebels are in the Melbourne wars together
By Spiro Zavos, 28 Apr 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Rod Macqueen, the coach of the Melbourne Rebels, is being a man of his word and smart in honouring the agreement his franchise has with the Melbourne Storm that it will not poach its players. The brutal fact is that the Storm and the Rebels have to work together to succeed in Melbourne.
Their enemy is not each other, as it probably is in NSW and Queensland.
In Melbourne they have a common enemy which is determined to stop them succeeding: the city’s power elite and its sports media. If you want to put a face to this unholy AFL-obsessed alliance, it is a mug shot of Eddie McGuire.
McGuire is the club president of Collingwood, a media personality and a AFL broadcaster. Like most people of his circle he seems to detest the rugby codes (a fanaticism he revelled in when he ran – disastrously – Channel 9).
The most recent eruption of the McGuire bile towards the rugby codes is the diatribe in the Sunday Herald-Sun in which he attacked the Brumby Government’s development of a rectangular ground in Melbourne to cater for professional rugby league, rugby union and football.
“Is it too late to lengthen the ground and smooth of the edges?” he asks in his article.
We need a little bit of history to explain the nature of the football wars in Melbourne.
In the 1960s, a group of Melbourne sports historians dubbed the boundary lines between NSW and Queensland on one side and Victoria and South Australia on the other as the Barassi Line.
South of the Barassi Line was designated AFL territory, totally and permanently. North of the Barassi Line was rugby league and rugby union territory, but land that needed to be conquered by the AFL.
When the Swans were re-established in Sydney, they were given a strong welcome by the power elite (people like Mike Willesee, for instance, jumped on board) and the media, especially the influential Sydney Morning Herald, which gave the code a designated columnist to spread the AFL gospel.
The Sydney Swans are now successfully entrenched as part of the sporting landscape of the city.
But against the advice of the Swans, the AFL is now emboldened to take rugby league on even more directly by starting a team in the western suburbs of Sydney, the heartland of the rugby league game.
This attack northwards across the Barassi Line has been backed by a huge AFL war chest and lots of chest-thumping about the inevitable and overwhelming triumph of its self-styled superior football code. There has been no appreciation or thanks to the Sydney media and power elite for supporting the Swans.
And there has certainly been no reciprocal help from the Melbourne power elite or media for the Storm in its 10-year struggle to establish a beachhead in territory south of the Barassi Line.
The smart people behind the Melbourne Rebels have realised that it is going to be a hard, possibly impossible task, to get the same acceptance from the Melbourne power elite as the Swans get from their equivalent group in Sydney. So they have made the eminently sensible decision to present themselves to the Melbourne public as a Melbourne team.
The name Rebels is appropriated from the rebels involved in the Eureka Stockade episode, an iconic event in the shaping of Victoria’s identity.
The deal with the Storm not to poach their players is another part of the plan.
Supporters of the Storm (many of them rugby union followers starved of an oval-ball team to follow) are also potential supporters of the Rebels. This notion is being encouraged with the news that the Brisbane Bronco’s Israel Falou, a former Storm star, is close to signing with the Rebels.
An intriguing development for the Storm in recent days has also justified the Rebels approach. It seems that Melbourne supporters of the Storm are rallying around their club.
There was a strong crowd to watch the Storm smash the Warriors over the weekend. More importantly, more than 300 people have signed on for memberships since the Stormgate debacle erupted.
Here’s the punch line: why is this support coming forward?
Because the draconian decisions taken by the NRL to punish the Storm for the club’s salary cap rorts have created an anti-Sydney sentiment from supporters.
And the more anti-Sydney the Storm and the Rebels are perceived south of the Barassi Line, the more likely it is that a significant supporter base for the two clubs can be established.
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April 28th 2010 @ 9:06am
sheek said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:06am | Report comment
I’m not interested in petty footy wars. However, here are some of my current observations.
The Rebels are incredibly smart not to try & buy any of the champion Storm players. Morally, it would be a bad fit for a new club attempting to institute a positive culture by taking advantage of another club in trouble. And the bad karma would get them somewhere down the track…..
However, if Storm players approached the Rebels, either personally or through their managers, then that would be another story.
I don’t know if Melbourne establishment is so much anti-rugby (both codes) as uninterested. However, I note the name Weary Dunlop carries a lot of gravitas in Melbourne & perhaps the captains of industry might be more disposed to union than league, if primarily because they don’t see a threat from union compared to league. You know, it’s cute to support rugby union because hey, it’s not a threat to AFL, you know.
This might be a backhanded compliment for union, but they can make it work to their advantage in the long run.
In any case, the important thing for the Rebels is to be the best they can be, & not be seen to be picking over the carcass of the Storm, assuming it ever comes to that. As for the Storm, this story has a very long way to run. I suspect we’ve only scratched the surface to date.
April 28th 2010 @ 9:32am
kingplaymaker said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Sheek ‘However, if Storm players approached the Rebels, either personally or through their managers, then that would be another story.’
Of course that’s how it would APPEAR to happen. Who approached whom first? The Rebels will simply claim they were approached.
Another point is the following. The Rebels want league stars. Who are the top league stars now? Inglis, Folau, Slater, Thurston, Hayne, Marshall. Which ones may be available off-contract? Folau, Inglis, Slater. So why shouldn’t they get them just because they happen to play for a team in the same city?
April 28th 2010 @ 9:45am
Michael C said | April 28th 2010 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Spiro -
you speak of the welcome mat from a city’s elite.
Funny – the Swans got bought by a Melbourne Doctor (Edelsten), and then along came a consortium of a fellow from WA (Mike Willessee) and a fellow from SA (Basil Sellers) and I’ve no idea where John Geraghty was from…….however, I fail to see where the ‘Sydney elite’ was jumping on board.
contrast to the welcome mat laid out for the Rebels now that the ARU has NOT opted to overlook Melbourne.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:10am
Hombre said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Does anyone know what the sums are for the Rebels re crowd numbers – do they have a breakeven point ?…
it’s impossible to see the team being anywhere near as good as what the Storm have built up illegally over the last 5+ years – during that time Melbourne have had the very best rugby league team in the world to go and watch and what’s their average crowd number – 10,000 -12,000 ? …. will that be a sustainable figure for the Rebels to succeed … and that’s assuming they they start winning and winning consistently – if they stutter – like all expansion teams have done – crowds of under 10,000 are more likely to be the norm
Also – have they announced the team colours ? – surely they’re not going to go Blue – the most over used colour in super rugby
April 28th 2010 @ 7:00pm
Bay35Pablo said | April 28th 2010 @ 7:00pm | Report comment
Rebels solours will likely be same as in the ARC. Blue & white hoops (similar to Geelong) with blue shorts.
April 28th 2010 @ 7:09pm
rugbyfuture said | April 28th 2010 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
The rebels have an established Rugby base though, where the storm didn’t and the rebels are privately held too.
i agree re overuse of blue, however victoria have the most right to the navy blue colours from what i understand and people connect with it from what ive heard
April 29th 2010 @ 11:02am
Hombre said | April 29th 2010 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Yeah but they’ve got an out in the fact that they’re not the Victorian Rebels – does the city of Melbourne have separate colours
April 29th 2010 @ 3:18pm
rugbyfuture said | April 29th 2010 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
red and yellow on the official coat of arms, or blue and green as on the current functional logo
I think this is all pointing towards what they’re looking to do with the super rugby. probably trying to develop the domestic comp out of the australian conferance
April 29th 2010 @ 12:47pm
King of the Gorganites said | April 29th 2010 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
the rebs will average 20-25K
April 28th 2010 @ 10:11am
keeper11 said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Shows how much the NRL’s future viability is almost totally dependant on the whim of one company..its sponsor and main benefactor news-limited..
puts a lie to all the hype and BS that comes out of the NRL PR machine about the so-called national and international successes of their ‘great game’..
In one swoop if news-limited pulls the plug on Storm;
-multi-premiership NRL club dead
-league in australias second and fastest growing state-dead
- NRL’s delusions of being a national code are just that..a delusion
- news $ will go to Rebels..
- .while league retreats back to just 2 states Rugby union instantly becomes a viable national code..
-rugby becomes second/third code in victoria along with football… league will be longway back as 4th ..and stay there
- Victorians have a genuine international rugby code to follow,,kangaroos would be a non-entity..
April 28th 2010 @ 10:19am
The Link said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:19am | Report comment
um its not. RL was the biggest game in NSW and QLD for 90 years before News got involved and will be for the forseeable future after they leave.
The Storm are too important to walk away from, its not happening.
The usual suspects are writing their annual obituary of RL, nice try.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:55am
Shodan said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:55am | Report comment
And you still think we’re a have a chance of getting the world cup, so who’s the one who belives the BS.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:14am
sheek said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
KPM,
I have no doubt before the Storm drama hit, the Rebels might have approached key Storm players on the ‘quiet’, putting feelers out for possible interest.
However, since the Storm drama hit, it would not be worth the bad publicity to be seen trying to take advantage of the Storm’s dilemma. Besides, the rebels don’t need to do anything proactive, simply be patient.
News Ltd boss John Hartigan has told the Storm players some of them will have to leave the club to help get the salary cap down, no ifs or buts.
Cameron Smith, Greg Inglis & Billy Slater have repeatedly said in the past they are not interested in playing union. But in the past week their resentment towards administrators in league would have magnified.
Add Cooper Cronk & this constitutes the ‘big 4′ of the Storm. What will become of them? Hartigan has further said they will only be supported if they aren’t implicated in the rorting of the salary cap. How they are treated will determine their future actions.
Smith has said he wishes to remain with the Storm, but how much does he know about what went on? Will the NRL crucify him? Slater & Inglis also want to remain in Melbourne, but will they have a future in rugby league after this year? Cronk has a background in union anyway. Resentment might drive them all away from league.
At present the Storm players are hanging tough together through raw emotion & a siege mentality. But as the days, weeks & months pass them by, brutal reality will set in. The players now know the brotherhood must be broken, that much is certain. So in the coming months the reality of looking after ‘number one’ will become stronger.
It’s early days, & this is not a union versus league thing, but the Rebels don’t need to do anything at all. It’s quite likely some Storm players, &/or their managers will approach the Rebels in any case. Whether these players will include any of ‘the big 4′ is pure speculation at this stage.
I find it crazy that the NRL is “pushing away” some of their finest players. This might not be the intention of the draconian fines imposed on Melbourne Storm, but it may well be one of the consequences. The resentment among the Storm players is palpable.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:37am
kingplaymaker said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Sheek exactly, the Rebels will probably wait, show what money they can provide by snaring Folau at $1 million a season, and then it won’t be long before Inglis’ and Slater’ managers come knocking. Then they will publicly show how they were approached, and how they are therefore not raiding the Storm but simply buying players who want to leave anyway.
April 28th 2010 @ 7:01pm
Bay35Pablo said | April 28th 2010 @ 7:01pm | Report comment
Some Storm players have said they wouldn’t play for another NRL side against the Storm. Which they wouldn’t be doing if they played for the Rebels …
April 28th 2010 @ 10:14am
jus de couchon said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Once the dust settles the Rebels will do whatever they like with the Stormers. History repeats etc.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:20am
Brett McKay said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:20am | Report comment
I initially read Spiro’s line as “…put a face to this unholy AFL-obsessed alliance, it is a SMUG shot of Eddie McGuire”, and then was disappointed to realise there was no ‘s’….
April 28th 2010 @ 10:40am
kingplaymaker said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:40am | Report comment
It would have been fun to see such a photo too..
April 28th 2010 @ 10:20am
Gatesy said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:20am | Report comment
What’s the definition of “well-balanced” ? Someone said it was having a chip on both shoulders – that is always the impression I get of AFL people.
Let’s face it, they’ve got a dinky little game that is popular in three pockets of the entire world (Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth), a similar sport played in Ireland and nowhere else, where they can occasionally get a hybrid game going so that they can call themselves international.
RL is more international than AFL and even that’s a bit of stretch.
I’ll never get used to a game where people run around in circles, hit from behind, jump over the top of you, and knock on all day and they’ll never get used to a two dimensional type of game played within a rectangle, where two lateral lines spend the afternoon crashing into each other and you can’t handball the ball anywhere, let alone forward!
So given that, let’s just get on with it and enjoy our own lilttle pockets of the world.
However, Melburnians do need to understand that games like Rugby and Soccer are truly international and their city is just another city among the 140-odd countries of the world where Rugby is played (and more to come with it now being an Olympic sport). So, guys, live with it.
When do the AFL people realistically think that their dinky little game might make it into the Olympics? 3015?
April 28th 2010 @ 10:26am
Dogz R Barkn said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:26am | Report comment
You talk about a chip on both shoulders – and then demonstrate admirably to all of us that you indeed do fit the bill.
Congratulations!!
April 28th 2010 @ 10:36am
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:36am | Report comment
You’ve become quite a serial offender in the AFL bashing.
As far as know both the Socceroos and Wallabies have drawn big crowds in Melbourne in the past, I think the secret is out.
We still enjoy our dinky little game though much to the astonishment of other codes fans.
Even if the game was just played in Melbourne and we enjoy it who is to say that is not OK.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:43am
Dogs Of War said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Spot on Redb. Different games appeal to different people. I think some people don’t realise how lucky we are to have so many top level comps that provide a sporting diversity not seen in many other countries.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:56am
Michael C said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Gatesy
“So given that, let’s just get on with it and enjoy our own lilttle pockets of the world. ”
Isn’t that what we do in Melbourne???
Rugby is what it can be……good on it. We’ve built you a stadium, now come and show your worth, you’ve suddenly got all the cards falling right for you, especially if Storm is found to be mortally wounded.
April 28th 2010 @ 12:26pm
AGO74 said | April 28th 2010 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
and of the 140-odd nations that you proclaim to play rugby, 90% of them would get beaten by an average sydney or brisbane subbies team.
who can forget those 100+ point losses to such fabled rugby nations like romania, portugal, tonga, uruguay etc in the last couple of world cups.
April 28th 2010 @ 12:53pm
rugbyfuture said | April 28th 2010 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
proving how strong rugby is in australia, even with league around….
romania and portugal are actually known for their strength in another decade, tonga and uruguay are both well developed rugby nations with small populations
tonga and uruguay have only ever been beaten once by 100 points (both by england)
portugual once by new zealand
romania never
April 28th 2010 @ 2:01pm
Michael C said | April 28th 2010 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
The key thing guys is for international sports there’s quality and quantity.
Even soccer counts over 200 nations with the quality at the tail end pretty ordinary amongst nations with a bunch of park amateurs taking the field…….and like American Samoa who got the national table tennis champion to take up goal keeper duties only to let through 31 Australian goals in a single game………..a farce?? or glorious amateur participation.
If it’s the latter – then, let’s not denigrate any of it.
Let the professionals do what they do for money.
But, let’s never belittle the glorious amateurs representing thier nations. (on this front I look forward to next years 4th AFL international cup with what looks like over 20 nations of zero expats ready to head to Melbourne to do battle in a dinky little game……no professionals to be seen. Either it’s absolute farce of glorious participation……I prefer the latter).
So, good luck to the bottom ranks 60 odd RU nations for whom 3 sides out of the single ‘club’ make up the national ‘league’ playing 4 games a year……..
April 29th 2010 @ 2:52pm
gatesy said | April 29th 2010 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Who said anything about belittling amateurs – where did that come from?
Anyway, I enjoyed that little spray. Thanks, lads.
April 29th 2010 @ 12:51pm
King of the Gorganites said | April 29th 2010 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Tonga almost had the saffas at the last WC so give up the union basking.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:29am
kronic said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Sprio, I find it a bit strange on Eddie’s behalf, questioning the purpose of the MRS, considering he appeared on a promo video used to recruit players for the Rebels.
I refuse to get into a league vs union vs aussie rules vs soccer debate, I enjoy 3 out of 4 of those codes. I’m not going tell anyone what sport they should and shouldn’t follow.
Rather then it being an ‘us vs them’ mentality, I see the beauty in each sport I follow. Each offers a unique experience and set of emotions.
With Aussie Rules it’s about pace, 360 degree view, constant scoreboard presssure. Specifically with Richmond (i’m a paid member), it’s seeing young kids develop each round, for the long term.
With Soccer it’s about the anticipation, 90 minutes of emotion, the passion of supporters.
With Rugby, it’s about the skill and tactics. The excitement of line breaks and constant physicality. Speficcally with the Rebels (I also co-run the Rebel Army), it’s Victoria taking on NSW, QLD etc…
Many of us support mutiple codes. That’s the beauty of living in the Sporting Capital of the World.
April 28th 2010 @ 10:41am
Dogz R Barkn said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Does Richmond develop young talent?
April 28th 2010 @ 10:50am
Michael C said | April 28th 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
hmmm,
young is mostly true,
talent……we can assume, if they are in the draft,
develop…….now…..that’s the operative term……we look at Fiora, Tambling and Oakley-Nichols and we wonder…….
April 28th 2010 @ 11:40am
Redb said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Credit to Kronic for sticking with the Tigers. Look at Melbourne, when those young kids start to come through all those years of toil as a fan explode in excitement and dreams.
April 28th 2010 @ 11:44am
Dogz R Barkn said | April 28th 2010 @ 11:44am | Report comment
I stupidly dropped those Melbourne kids from my SuperCoach team (back at the start), and now they’ve probably tripled in value.