Dropping Steve Walsh opens up other problems
By Spiro Zavos, 29 Apr 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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At 9.43 am on Wednesday, a media release from the ARU popped up in my email basket. It read: “Please find attached revised official appointments for Week 12. Changes are: Chris Pollock replaces Steve Walsh as Referee for the Brumbies v Reds match in Canberra. Vinny Munro replaces Chris Pollock as AR1 for Hurricanes v Chiefs match in Wellington.”
Nothing more. No explanation why the changes were made.
Did the ACT Brumbies put strong pressure on SANZAR to drop Walsh?
Was this a decision taken by the referees manager for SANZAR, Lyndon Bray, based on Walsh’s performance in the NSW Waratahs-ACT Brumbies match last weekend?
Or were there other matters that came into consideration?
Some hours later we got answers of sort to these questions. Bray told Radio Sport that Walsh had been dropped or pulled from the Brumbies-Reds match because it was “in the best interests of the game” and not because of his performance in the Waratahs-Brumbies match.
According to Bray, Walsh had an ‘average’ game last weekend.
I believe this is being a bit generous to the referee. Walsh had difficulty setting up the scrums in an effective manner. There were a lot of resets.
The Brumbies felt that their stronger scrum (in their opinion) was being pulled down by the Waratahs front row, especially by Al Baxter, who has a reputation for sinking scrums.
There was an incorrect penalty against the Canberra captain Stephen Hoiles when he continued running after a broken tackle. This incident was right out in the open. It was plain from the way Hoiles spoke to Walsh that he disagreed with the call.
Walsh seemed to resent this comment.
Then there was the decision to disallow a try scored by Adam Ashley-Cooper. Sitting in the media box, in what seemed to be a miles away from the far corner of the field, I wondered how Ashley-Cooper could have made the tryline when he was tackled from so far out.
But replays showed he had performed an astonishing feat of athleticism by tumbling after he was tackled, keep the ball and his knees off the ground, before planting the ball down for a try.
I couldn’t see this from a great distance away, but Walsh, who was not far away from the incident, and certainly the assistant referee who was only metres away, should have seen what happened.
Why didn’t Walsh go to the video referee if he felt that there was doubt about the try?
The argument is made is that the video referee only rules on what happens over the tryline, and this is why he wasn’t called into action.
But this is not strictly accurate.
Video referees are also required to judge whether the ball was placed over the tryline immediately after the tackle.
The former SANZAR boss of referees, Peter Marshall, reckons that Walsh could have asked the video referee whether a try should be awarded or not.
The video referee would have looked at the tackle incident. He would have seen that the ball was not placed twice during the tackle short of the try line, and that Ashley-Cooper’s knees avoided the ground before he actually planted the ball across the try line.
The ruling would have been, or should have been: “You may award a try.”
As the Brumbies were defeated 19-12, who knows what the effect of this might have had on the final outcome?
Walsh is a good referee who does have the occasional bad day. He had a poor game on Saturday night.
For Bray to say that it was ‘average’ was wrong.
But it was also wrong for Matt Giteau to suggest that “I don’t know if we’ll turn up, what’s the point?”
Bray has used this comment and others from the Brumbies camp to argue that “it would be remiss to ignore the sort of environment that is likely to happen if we left Steve refereeing the Brumbies and the Reds.”
What this means, in effect, is that if franchises make it clear they are going to give a particular referee a torrid time because of the way he has refereed, then Bray will pull that referee from refereeing the offended side.
This is a terrible precedent.
To take an example: the Waratahs rarely win when Jonathan Kaplan referees. What would happen if they say “I don’t know if we’ll turn up” if Kaplan is the designated referee for one of their matches?
Would Bray pull Kaplan?
Bray also wants Giteau to face disciplinary committee and be stood down for a week for his comments.
This strikes me as using the old tactic of the Chinese emperors of shooting the messenger bearing bad news.
Bray should take his focus off Giteau.
It was Steve Walsh who put in what I consider was a below-average refereeing performance. Bray’s task is to help Walsh recover the excellent refereeing form he has shown in the past.
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Frank O'Keeffe said | April 29th 2010 @ 4:07am | Report comment
Yeah it was a terrible refereeing performance. Only a small part of the blame should go to Walsh though. He didn’t ruin the game, the Tah’s did with their boring rugby. It’s a shame since that game drew a huge crowd and you need to promote the game on nights like that. Walsh’s performance really isn’t the key issue for me.
As for your Kaplan example… I’m going to say it:
Jonathan Kaplan is a fantastic referee. The fact Aussie sides don’t win with him says more about the Aussie sides than it does him. Here’s what David Pocock said of him last year after the Irish Test:
“But back to the breakdown.
I thought Kaplan did a good job there as he was consistent. As a loose-forward, you can change the way you play at the breakdown as long as the refs are consistent with their interpretations of the laws.
So I think the problem is not so much how they interpret the laws, but rather that they go by this for the whole game. And I thought Kaplan did well.”
Do Aussies even notice how many favourable decisions they got from Kaplan last year at Sydney? New Zealandant wanted his head after the 2nd Bledisloe Cup match from 2000, but they came to recognise he was a good referee – and to Kaplan’s credit he’s got better and better since then.
Let’s just get over it because he is a good ref.
your kidding right said | April 29th 2010 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
I didn’t know Kaplan had an Irish mother!
He is by far the most arrogant and self serving of the referees going round, only surpassed by Andre Watson, who thank go has retired.
MBTGOG said | April 29th 2010 @ 4:46am | Report comment
Good article, which looks at both sides evenly. Not something you see much in the media much.
But to the point of the article. Walsh was poor and Bray should admit that. But he was not the reason behind the game being a poor spectacle. That was the Waratahs tactics and re Brumbies getting ruffled too easily.
Bray though should have a stern word with Walsh. He got involved in the game emotionally and that is the major sin from my point of view in a referee.
Yikes said | April 29th 2010 @ 5:41am | Report comment
Spiro,
You cannot make up your own facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyAC9KAQSeA
AAC tries to propel himself forward off both knees. That’s not playing the ball immediately after being tackled. Bray’s comments on this are clear:
“The ruling was absolutely correct. He was four and a-half metres short when he lands in the tackle, rotated once which is fine (that’s momentum), then in order to get across the goal-line has got off his knees and launched over the tackler to force the ball.
“I don’t think you can for a second in law criticise Steve’s decision.”
Feat of athleticism? In addition, the TMO cannot rule on such issues. The TMO in the Waratahs v Cheetahs game got absolutely slammed when he tried to tell the referee of such an issue.
Finally, if you think the problem in the scrum is Baxter and not Alexander, heaven help you. Alexander has been penalised 12 times at scrum time this year and is perhaps the worst loose head going round.
Steve Walsh didn’t collapse a single scrum last Saturday. Remember that. He is forced to make decisions by the players’ behaviour.
CraigB said | April 29th 2010 @ 7:48am | Report comment
sorry Yikes – Watched a dozen times and its a try each time. You don’t happen to be the Assistant Ref from Saturday night are you??
JK said | April 29th 2010 @ 8:02am | Report comment
Clearly no try
BennO said | April 29th 2010 @ 8:31am | Report comment
no way is it a try. At least two reasons, His arm carrying the ball hits the ground so the tackle is made. He’s held by turner in the tackle so he’s played on while held.
At the 5 second mark of that video he should be turning to present the ball to his team mates, not powering on forward like he wasn’t held.
Nashi said | April 29th 2010 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Spiro made me double check but I stick by my first impression. AAC’s knee touches the ground. He then propels himself forward with leg drive. No try. I can’t believe we are still debating this one when the evidence is so conclusive.
In my view scrum problems stem from refs having no rhythm. For God’s sake why can’t they practice the 4 steps to a metronome so everyone uses exactly the same timing. Funny how people manage to stay upright on a dance floor when everyone knows the tune, even if they are completely p*ssed!
Jack Petro said | April 29th 2010 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Great call … music lessons for referees … LOL
JohnB said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:52am | Report comment
The slow motion replay makes the no-try decision look more correct, but because you can’t properly see the momentum element I think it’s hard to judge properly from it alone. This normal speed replay is less clear but at one point you can see A-C’s legs pumping to get him over the defender to get the ball down (and that shows in the slow motion one also) –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7mUCJ9xDW8&feature=related
If you’re tackled, you can reach forward to plant the ball but you can’t drive yourself forward. Given that A-C does appear to drive himself forward, then if he was tackled the no-try call was right.
Despite what Spiro says, it looks pretty plain to me that A-C was tackled about 4.5 m out – he’s held and his knee thumps into the ground. At that point, it’s a tackle. It doesn’t matter that A-C later (while driving over the line) keeps his knees off the ground – it’s already a tackle. Makes me think the decision made was right, or at the very least not so clearly wrong you can legitimately complain about it.
I also think it’s worth pointing out that everyone has been saying how good it is this year that the referees are making the tackler release immediately and not interfere with the ball. That’s all well and good but there’s a flipside – if you want defenders to release (because that’s what the Laws require) you equally have to be strict about tackled players playing on after the tackle. As a practical matter, if tackled players are allowed to keep going inevitably defenders will keep hanging on to them – and who could blame them.
Possibly the same sort of thinking lead to the Hoiles penalty earlier in the game – maybe a wrong decision then, but not unreasonable to be in effect saying if you want to be able to play the ball without interference at the tackle, your right to get up and run again if you aren’t tackled will be looked at strictly.
ohtani's jacket said | April 29th 2010 @ 10:29am | Report comment
The touch judge ought to be praised for making the right call. Aren’t we always complaining that they don’t do anything?
nickfarr said | April 29th 2010 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
Interesting how the Youtube clip – obviously created by someone from the NR Refs association…judging my the Youtueb Handle – NZRUREFS calls the clip DOuble Movement???!!!
There is no such thing as Double Movement in Rugby Union- and watching in slow motion, AAC didnt release the ball immediately after his knee hit the ground.
NO TRY
johnny-boy said | April 29th 2010 @ 6:01am | Report comment
It truly amazes me how many armchair referee’s think they know better than professional referees, including Lyndon Bray who has clearly stated it was not a try. This episode reeks of classic Bumblies player power arrogance in thinking they run the game. And it appears they do. Giteau should have been suspended not a slap with a damp sponge fine It is a worrying sign for Australian rugby that I fear Deans does not have the balls to confront, as shown by his continued selection of Giteau at 10 last year. The Reds could do Australian rugby a massive favour by giving the Bumblies a right royal hiding this weekend with a clinical, ruthless, disciplined display to demonstrate the problem is the Bumblies, not rugby, nor the referees. We need you now boyos.
Short-Blind. said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:08am | Report comment
totally agree with your sentiments j-b and I think the Reds will do this. Giteau is the biggest sook and Brumbies need a new coach and less chiefs in their side.
berra boy said | April 29th 2010 @ 8:49pm | Report comment
don’t buy that jb and s-b. i reckon giteau did what no professional sportsman ever does anymore, just said what he thinks! About time someone was honest. it’s refreshing!
mw said | April 29th 2010 @ 6:05am | Report comment
All the comments this week about TMO referral miss one point. Walsh and his touchie had no doubt about their decision. Why would he refer to TMO if he was certain what happened? Game over.
BennO said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:16am | Report comment
good call.
Matt said | April 29th 2010 @ 6:48am | Report comment
Tell us what you really think JB!
Personally I think neither team deserved to win last weekend, it was dross from both sides.
On the referee front, they certainly can be influenced. I am sure the Brumbies teams of the 90′s missed many of the 50/50 calls from Andre Watson because he disliked Gregan’s chat so much.
DaMan3000 said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:09am | Report comment
That is exactly the point Matt. Player’s need to learn to play to the ref. If he doesn’t like chat don’t do it, otherwise everytime you do, you are making the opposition captain look better than you. Players like Giteau and Gregan have no idea how to play to a ref.
Jerry said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Other than Watson, I think Gregan was one of the all time masters at playing to the ref. Witness the Melbourne Bledisloe from 07 where he didn’t even feed a scrum for the first 40 minutes….
DaMan3000 said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Yeah that’s probably fair. He did get very good at it over his career. But I remember in his early years he used to wind up the ref regularly – as an AB fan, very funny stuff.
Steve said | April 29th 2010 @ 7:40am | Report comment
http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-news/kaplan-stands-behind-dubious-decision-3446292
Why was Kaplan not dropped for the Obstruction. Kaplan will recieve the final surely. Even though DIckinson should, and this is coming from a Kiwi Dickinson has been the best ref this year and hasn’t had controversy surrounding him unlike Kaplan. Seems a bit unfair hey
Jerry said | April 29th 2010 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
What obstruction?
Kaplan awarded the try cause he saw the ball touched down – therefore he didn’t need the TMO to check whether it had been. What he needed was confirmation nothing had happened prior to the ball being touched down (eg a knock on or penalty offence) which would negate the try.
KGW said | April 29th 2010 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Whinge whinge whinge,
The Brumbies were poor end of story they couldn’t beat a so called “Boring” Waratahs team.
It’s about time players and fans started looking at themselves!
Brett McKay said | April 29th 2010 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Spiro, while I’m going to overlook your take on the non-try, you are correct in saying Walsh being dropped sets a very dangerous precedent. I’m also disappointed in Lyndon Bray’s comments on the reasoning, too.
Even if privately they thought sending Walsh to Canberra wasn’t the smartest thing to do, why wouldn’t they have just said something like, “We’ve discussed Steve’s preformance with him, and we all agreed it was probably worth him having a week off.” Much safer, and maybe even with an element of truth to it. Instead we got the ludicrous “it would be remiss to ignore the sort of environment that is likely to happen if we left Steve refereeing the Brumbies and the Reds.”
Now it looks like the Brumbies got their way, and even worse, it gives Giteau’s childish comments some credence. It’s yet another poorly handled situation from the SANZAR powers that be…
Jack Petro said | April 29th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Yes and No, Brett. I think Lyndon was correct in saying that it would have been a hostile environment for Walsh to run out in. You can’t candy-coat it – the Brumbies and the Press have executed Walsh and made it very difficult for him to run out for the Brumbies v Reds clash; they didn’t get their way, they lost a good referee for a good match. I do agree with you about the SANSAR ruling on Gits – $%K is about a $% fine to him – he should have got the $5K plus 4 weeks!!!!!
I wonder what the National Selectors are seeing from their perspective … is it the type of players they are after?
Brett McKay said | April 29th 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
I do agree Jack, but as I said yesterday to Apelu, and Spiro even uses him as an example here today, all the Brumbies and the (ahem) Canberra media need to do is start unloading on Jonathan Kaplan in the week leading up to his next Canberra Stadium appointment, and by precedent he can now be swapped out, all because SANZAR wouldn’t want to send poor Jonathan into a hostile environment!! Do they honestly expect stading ovations?!?
I just think they’ve dug themselves a massive and unnecessary hole, explaining it the way they did..
pothale said | April 29th 2010 @ 7:46pm | Report comment
Brett – was it not one of those ‘you can’t win’ situations for SANZAR?
The minute I saw the headline saying that Brumbies were looking for Walsh’s head, then the die was cast.
The only response to that should have been from SANZAR, Refs and whoever else is in charge, was ‘go shove it.” and a large fine on the club and player for attempting to undermine refs in general and bringing game into disrepute.
If Bray had come out and said ‘well we’ve changed Steve’s match to the other one, cos he thought he’d prefer the weather there’ everyone was going to see it for what it really was. SANZAR refs got pressurised into changing ref due to club pressure. Full stop.
There’s no other way you can read this – leastways I don’t.
The precedent is now set.
The club must come forward and make apology to SANZAR and Walsh for behaviour of its players for having compromised SANZAR. IRB should insist on it.
Because this thing could get legs. Let’s say that we get to the June Internationals – Australia v England and Walsh is set to ref. England say that Walsh cannot ref match because he will feel under an obligation to mollycoddle Oz because of the Brumbies/Tahs match?
Media report England say, ‘not sure about the match if Walsh is involved, is there any point in turning up? Look you’ve got rid of him before, what’s the problem? Better to remove any element of doubt or accusation of bias before the match. Right?
Cue international pandemonium
Brett McKay said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:02pm | Report comment
completely agree Pots, SANZAR have brought anything that happens (in terms of criticising refs) on themselves now. Honestly, they would have been better off saying Walsh was dropped for an average game. That would have been it.
Or, like you suggest, they could have told the Brumbies to suck it up, issued Giteau with something slightly more than slap on the wrist and just declared once and for all that they’re in charge around here. And guess what Canberra, you’ve got Walsh for the next three games. Complain all you like, but the only avenue to appeal is by replacing Walsh with Kaplan.
It might have started out as catch-22 Pots, but somehow the Brumbies have walked away from this episode grinning like schoolgirls…
ohtani's jacket said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Last year we had Aussies defending Stu Dickinson in one of the worst Test match performances ever, now Walsh has been dropped because some Aussies are changing the laws of the game to suit themselves, refuse to admit that the premier Australian sides (the Waratahs and Brumbies) are rubbish and incapable of having a good game against each other, and because the Brumbies and the Little Cupcake demanded it. Well, maybe little Matty Giteau will demand his first five spot in the Wallabies too.
True Tah said | April 29th 2010 @ 9:48am | Report comment
OJ
if the Tahs and Brumbies are the premier Australian sides, where does that leave the Reds?
ohtani's jacket said | April 29th 2010 @ 10:24am | Report comment
The Reds are everybody’s favourite story.
For now. As we know there’s always a backlash.
Peter K said | April 29th 2010 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
OJ change that from Aussies to Brumby supporters thanks.