The case for Joel Griffiths and Sasa Ognenovski
By Mike Tuckerman, 30 Apr 2010 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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I wouldn’t like to be Matthew Spiranovic right now. The Australian stopper is yet to feature in a single minute of J. League action for new club Urawa Reds, suggesting that the elegant defender has little hope of making Pim Verbeek’s World Cup squad.
Spiranovic has so far been limited to two starts in the League Cup, with the former Nürnberg man finding the incumbent central defensive partnership of Nobuhisa Yamada and Keisuke Tsuboi a tough nut to crack.
A costly mistake in a pre-season friendly against J2 side Tokushima Vortis didn’t help, and in truth there’s no reason for coach Volker Finke to break up what has looked a reasonably solid defensive unit so far.
But if Spiranovic’s name is still being bandied about in terms of World Cup squad selection – albeit less conspicuously than it was six months ago – what of Joel Griffiths and Sasa Ognenovski?
If pundits and fans alike think that riding the pine in the J. League is good enough to book a World Cup ticket, what’s the value of scoring goals or anchoring a bruising defence in the AFC Champions League?
Griffiths has been in superb form for Beijing Guoan this season, opening the scoring in their do-or-die group stage showdown with Kawasaki Frontale, as the Chinese side won through to the Round of 16 in front of a raucous home crowd.
Whether it’s the big crowds or just better service, Griffiths has looked electrifying in Guoan green – scoring goals, creating space and generally proving a constant nuisance to opposing defences.
His speed and finishing could prove useful in South Africa, but when it comes to discussion of his potential role in the national team, it seems to start and end with the fact that Verbeek doesn’t rate his work ethic and seems to fear his bouts of ill-discipline.
And so it arguably should.
Verbeek is, after all, paid to pick whichever players he sees fit, and one talented individual doesn’t always slot seamlessly into a tightly-knit squad.
But with Australia’s depth in question, surely we can ask whether an explosive talent like Griffiths couldn’t do a job for the Socceroos off the bench?
The same goes for Ognenovski, who has also been in stellar form for South Korean outfit Seongnam Ilhwa as they finished top of their Champions League group, ending the group stage campaign with a gritty 3-2 win over Melbourne Victory.
Both Griffiths and Ognenovski offer useful alternatives, yet the pair look set to suffer from the sort of personality politics that dictate the make-up of most World Cup squads.
The one player I’m not convinced by is Eddy Bosnar – but if we’re going to discuss the merits of potential bolters, as I recently did with my fellow Roar colleague Ben Somerford, then why has no one mentioned Bosnar’s ability to score from free-kicks?
Granted, it’s not exactly the sort of quality you’re going to look for in a player off the bench, but the left-footed stopper strikes a venomous dead ball, and since the quality of Australia’s set pieces has been poor of late, is it not worth considering that Bosnar can at least offer something different?
At times the issue of squad selection has felt like an open-and-shut case – that it’s “Pim’s way or the highway,” and the likes of Griffiths and Ognenovski will just have to pay the price for not pledging their allegience to the Verbeek camp quickly enough.
That’s all well and good if you’ve got a squad bursting with talent, but with injuries and a lack of game time already hurting the Socceroos, I would have thought that you could at least throw Griffiths and Ognenovski in there somewhere.
Like everyone else, I know full well that Verbeek couldn’t care less what the media thinks.
But given their outstanding form in the AFC Champions League to date, surely there’s a case to consider Joel Griffiths and Sasa Ognenovski for World Cup selection?
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April 30th 2010 @ 1:44pm
dasilva said | April 30th 2010 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Ogre and Joel griffiths have absolutely no chance
To be honest, we will probably only pick 3 strikers anyway. Kewel (pim is going to play him up front I reckon)l, McDonald and Kennedy
Picking 4 strikers seems an absolute luxury in pim system so Joel has absolutely no chance
Ogre, he may deserve a chance in the WCQ but now it is too late as he has never played under Pim’s system. If reading Jesse FInk blog is any accurate. THen there is some personal issues between Ogre and Pim and I think Ogre consideration to play for Macedonia may have bit him in the arse.
However Bosnar, according to Jesse Interview, Pim is definitely considering him as an option. He actually picked Bosnar for one friendly but his club refuse to release Eddie due to being in a non-FIFA date so Bosnar has been in Pim’s extended shortlist before. Also Bosnar has played in the Eredivisie before so he may have less issues adapting to Pim’s style of coaching.
April 30th 2010 @ 2:53pm
StrikerX said | April 30th 2010 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
Could Richard Porta be the new Jesus? Remember that Kennedy was uncapped and virtually unheard of before being selected as our “Plan B” for the 2006 World Cup finals.
April 30th 2010 @ 5:11pm
Eamonn Flanagan said | April 30th 2010 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
Come on Mike take that “all them Aussie blinkers off,” we’re on your side. We love Asian football but we don’t have to be all rosy about it.
” Dragan Stojkovic plied his trade in the J. League didn’t seem to bother FR Yugoslavia when they made him their captain at the 1998 World Cup and Euro 2000,” you are not seriously comparing him plying his trade in Asia to our boys. Dragan had come from a slightly higher proven base than the players you talk of..who are doing very well in Asia, the highest level they have played at.
“but here in Australia we can’t seem to get over this notion that Asian football is somehow markedly inferior to the rest of the world.” and this is tosh Mike because the it is.
Give me the evidence of Asian football improving on the World stage, at the World Cup. Show me where apart from wth home advantage any Asian team has surprised us, and backed it up at the next World Cup
Which Confederation does everyone want to get in their group? North America, Africa or Asia?
Which Confederation will do the worst at this World Cup? Is Asian football markedly inferior? Well if it’s to be judged on Club World Championships, and World Cup’s if is markedly inferior, or are you living in a different World.
Take the last 30 years and show me the improvement. Four Asian teams get to the World Cup, the biggest test of all. Four Asian teams go home after the first or second round. Tell me it ain’t so Jo!
April 30th 2010 @ 5:14pm
Mike Tuckerman said | April 30th 2010 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
I’m not interested in banging on about which confederation has done better than any other at past World Cups, I’m interested in which players can do a job for the Socceroos in 2010 – and clearly Joel Griffiths and Sasa Ognenovski are two options.
April 30th 2010 @ 5:19pm
aman pillay said | April 30th 2010 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
y isnt anyone talking about porta, we need an x factor, this could be it
April 30th 2010 @ 5:25pm
TheMagnificent11 said | April 30th 2010 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
It’s my understanding that Porta hardly speaks English. Correct me if you know otherwise.
May 1st 2010 @ 2:54pm
aman pillay said | May 1st 2010 @ 2:54pm | Report comment
so it says on wikipedia, but football is a universal language
April 30th 2010 @ 10:11pm
David said | April 30th 2010 @ 10:11pm | Report comment
Ognenovski deserves a shot defending is asia is difficult but scoring goals isn’t hard, defending is of a poor standard so to standout says something imo as is goal keeping on the contrasting side strikers aren’t great in asia but griffiths is probably all we got. That being said 50 days out i doubt anything will change.
May 1st 2010 @ 12:49am
Kingkenny7 said | May 1st 2010 @ 12:49am | Report comment
I was really surprised that Joel Griffith have some potential to be a great player. It’s hard to believe he’s an Aussie(no offence). He’s some technical player so if there’s good pair with him then it should be great but I don’t think current Aussie NT might change their plan to use him. He’s some hidden gem in China.
In terms Ognenovski, when he came to Seongnam last year, many fans didn’t convince him cause his trapping was same as what we watched on South Korea v Australia game. He needed some time to adapt to Korean football’s fast tempo and to be technically improved. Now, he’s one of good candidate for the hardest rock defender in K-League with Cho Byung-Kuk the smart and good international-level defender with pace.
May 1st 2010 @ 8:55am
Eamonn Flanagan said | May 1st 2010 @ 8:55am | Report comment
“But given their outstanding form in the AFC Champions League to date” seems to me, Mike, where players play is an important part to any assessment of Griffiths and Ogenovski’s, indeed any players chances of making the squad.
Playing against Nik Mrdja, Robbie Kruse and co is no real test for the Ogmonsters World Cup prospects. The two players you mention have done well in Asia, but have they done well enough, tested enough by the likes of a Victory defence or forward line, to suggest they can compete on the International stage?
May 2nd 2010 @ 10:02am
Mike Tuckerman said | May 2nd 2010 @ 10:02am | Report comment
I don’t see it as any different to taking Archie Thompson to the 2006 World Cup.
May 2nd 2010 @ 11:37am
Ben of Phnom Penh said | May 2nd 2010 @ 11:37am | Report comment
I think the case for Griffiths is weaker than the case for Ogenovski. There are a number of strikers who are also making a case at this late stage. Rukavysta is banging in goals as is Burns, McDonald & Vidosic. I think the case for Griffiths will depend upon injuries to either Kewell or Kennedy.
Ogenovski is another matter entirely. I think that Craig Moore is better as cover for Lucal Neill as opposed to a starting partner. Whilst I can understand some of the reticence as a result of an absence of any game time in the green & gold I think this is outweighed by current form. Particularly when compared to the current alternatives.
May 2nd 2010 @ 11:58am
Seungmin Lee said | May 2nd 2010 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Ognenovski might be slow to the Int. game but I think if the Aussie gaffer has proper vision then he might chose big Og. His ability of dominating the air is impressive. It’s some world-class in my opinion. He never let opposite player wins a header from him. I think Aussie would miss him when they play against Serbia.
There’s some interesting story. Early stage of 2009 K-League, when Sasha Ognenovski came to Korea first, Seongnam used to put 4 flags for their foreign players. 1st Round against Ulsan, one of them was Aussie’s flag for Sasha Ognenovski, but soon it was changed to Macedonian flag by his request. I think he was sick of Pim Verbeek..
May 3rd 2010 @ 9:29am
Ken S said | May 3rd 2010 @ 9:29am | Report comment
I agree Ognenovski & Griffiths should go to SA. I feel Moore at 34 is too old and too slow to cope with the world class strikers we are sure to face. Griffiths should be fitted in as a right midfielder but be used as an alternative striker. I would send [Schwarzer / Federici / Jones], [Emerton / Rhys Williams], [Neil / Colosimo], [Ognenovski / Milligan], [Chipperfield / Carney], [Cullina / Wilkshire], [Grella / Jedinak or Valeri] , [Cahill / Griffiths], [Bresciano / Carle], [Kewell / Oar], [Kennedy / McDonald]. While Verbeek will select most of them, having given neither Ognenovski nor Griffiths a start to date, he will ignore our calls, do as he always does and play it safe. That being the case he will go with Moore, Jedinak and Valeri. As with Wilkshire he seems to like Vidosik and it would not surprise to see him fitted in somewhere.
May 3rd 2010 @ 5:25pm
Demonization said | May 3rd 2010 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Kennedy is a loser. Griffiths is much better than him.