Even more silverware on table for Super 15
By itsuckstobeyou, 5 May 2010 itsuckstobeyou is a Roar Pro
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There are two problems with silverware in modern rugby: there is too much of it, and there is going to be more of it. Since more trophies are inevitable within the new Super 15 structure, we might as well make sure they are relevant to the teams contesting them.
One of my gripes over the years has been that almost every title the Wallabies contest is named after someone, something, or some place from the opposing nation. To demonstrate what I mean, here is a brief rundown of the trophies they contest:
Bledisloe Cup: Named after the bloke who paid for it to be made, then Governor General of NZ, Lord Bledisloe. It sounds ridiculous to name a trophy after the guy who paid the trophy-maker, until you consider the Telstra Premiership and the Winfield Cup. Irrelevant to Aussies though.
Nelson Mandela Challenge Plate: Named after the great, albeit South African, Nelson Mandella.
Trophée des Bicentenaires: Translating to Bicentenaries Trophy, the trophy was conceived to celebrate Australia’s bicentenary in 1988 and France’s in 1989. The appeal of the trophy had worn off by 1990.
Landsdowne Cup: A tribute to the famous Irish field. How an Australian can be inspired by this is beyond me.
Hopetoun Cup: Gets its name from the Seventh Earl of Hopetoun, Scotsman John Hope who was the first Governor General of Australia. For the record, he was publicly humiliated for choosing the wrong Prime Minister and quit unceremoniously after the Crown wouldn’t fund his holiday house in Sydney. He came to Australia with Typhoid Fever, a condition contracted by ingesting infected faecal matter. Inspired yet?
James Bevan Trophy: It turns out that the first Welsh rugby captain lived in Australia until he was 10. Apparently, that’s enough to have him immortalised in Australian folklore.
Puma Trophy: One wonders how much the marketing company was paid to come up with this gem of a title, contested between the Wallabies and, you guessed it, the Pumas.
I’m partial to the Cook Cup, as James Cook is a renowned figure in both countries and he inspires a sense of history and rivalry.
The only trophy which has Australian roots is the Tom Richards Trophy, contested every twelve years between Australia and the Lions. Richards featured in the first Wallaby tour of Britain, was an Olympic gold medallist, and filled in for the injury riddled Lions on their tour of South Africa in 1910.
Bearing in mind these ordinary titles and the impending flurry of new titles which will inevitably be created for next year, it’s time the marketing department at the ARU start earning their crust and come up with titles which inspire players and fans alike.
The National Title should be named the ARC Memorial Trophy, although Brett Mckay’s suggestion of the Scotty Fava Cup would fit nicely into the current title mould, as he has played for all the existing Super sides.
The Waratahs can play the Brumbies for the Dingo Deans Perpetual Shield, as it is essentially the trial game for the Wallabies and the only game he shows up to.
The Reds can play the Force for the Queensland Cup, pitting Queensland’s 30 best players against each other.
Perhaps the Rebels can play a one-off hybrid match against the Storm for the Brian Waldron Trophy, with the match being played entirely under a table.
Any suggestions? The best title will receive the John O’Neill Trophy for Excellence in Trophies.
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May 5th 2010 @ 2:09am
counterruck said | May 5th 2010 @ 2:09am | Report comment
ha ha. nice post. most of the trophies in intrenational rugby are so contrived – besides the calcutta cup and the bledisloe – and even mark loane himself admitted the wallaby players hadn’t heard of the bledisloe as recently as the late ’70s.
why is aus v nz the mandeal plate? what does mandela have to do with australian rugby? if anything the trophy for sa v nz should be named after mandela after the 1995 rwc final.
May 5th 2010 @ 10:31am
itsuckstobeyou said | May 5th 2010 @ 10:31am | Report comment
SA & NZ play for the Freedom Cup. It would be more appropriate if they played for the Mandela Plate, but it would be even more appropriate if they played for th Suzie Shield, in honour of the waitress who won the Boks the RWC in ’95. That’d fire the boys up.
May 5th 2010 @ 4:28am
pothale said | May 5th 2010 @ 4:28am | Report comment
Lansdowne Cup
Established in 1999, the cup was donated to the Australian Rugby Union by the Lansdowne Club of Sydney as a perpetual trophy between Australia and Ireland. Like the Lansdowne Club, the cup is named after Dublin’s famous rugby ground and was designed and made by Waterford Crystal of Ireland.
Lansdowne Road was the oldest rugby stadium in the world at the time of its creation. A bit of history attached to a family name that originated around the 14th Century and has been used on a number of structures and buildings/hotels/pubs in Australia, US, New Zealand, UK, Ireland.
Australia, like a number of former colonies, was a receiving county in terms of people, placenames, cultures, traditions, etc. Inevitably, a lot of names have their origins elsewhere. One assumes though, there was nothing stopping Australians coming up with a trophy to contest games between countries prior to the recent establishment of most of them.
Who’s left on the shelf? Name Suggestions welcome.
Italy?
Samoa?
Fiji?
Tonga?
Japan?
May 5th 2010 @ 8:46am
sheek said | May 5th 2010 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Gidday Pothale,
Could you please explain this:
“Lansdowne Road was the oldest rugby stadium at the time of its creation”.
May 5th 2010 @ 2:00pm
soapit said | May 5th 2010 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
yeah thats a classic. bit of a mind boggler.
May 7th 2010 @ 2:40am
pothale said | May 7th 2010 @ 2:40am | Report comment
Sheek – that was to check if you were still awake. Or whether I was maybe.
I should have said re-creation. Appy Polly Loggies.
May 5th 2010 @ 5:23am
Apelu Tielu said | May 5th 2010 @ 5:23am | Report comment
Like the humour Itsuck.
May 5th 2010 @ 7:46am
Plasmodium said | May 5th 2010 @ 7:46am | Report comment
ISTBY – you sent me scurrying to pre-Google sports encyclopedias on account of the name Typhoid Fever. There was a British boxer around the turn of the 19th century named Brian Fever and because of his whirlwind style was knicknamed Typhoon and I wondered if that was who you meant until I realized that you’d capitalized a disease.
Re. the Hopetoun Cup which is presented to the winner of games between Scotland and the Wallabies – there were five encounters from 1998 to 2006 with only two of those games played in Oz. Australia amassed a total of 172 points to Scotland’s 65. Then came last year at Murrayfield. Latest total, Wallabies 180 points, Scotland 74.
May 5th 2010 @ 12:06pm
itsuckstobeyou said | May 5th 2010 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Sorry about that. Please rest assured that the boxer Typhoid Fever was not contracted by eating infected faecal matter.
I imagine he’d have been looking for a new manager if that were the case.
May 5th 2010 @ 8:18am
Brett McKay said | May 5th 2010 @ 8:18am | Report comment
hey, I got a mention!! ISTBY, if the Scott Fava Cup doesn’t eventuate – and I can’t see why it wouldn’t – then I’m sure Roarers will get behind me to resume the push for the Sheek Shield, named of course for the patron saint of domestic rugby in Australia. A worthy honour too…
On the subject of cups, and how they came about, no-one was able to answer my question yesterday about how and why it is that Queensland and the ACT play for the Rod MacQueen Cup. The even scarier thing was that last night after getting no help from rugby.com.au, I got even less help from Google!
Surely someone knows?!?!
May 5th 2010 @ 8:48am
sheek said | May 5th 2010 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Hi Brett,
Aw shucks…..
May 5th 2010 @ 9:01am
Brett McKay said | May 5th 2010 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Sheek, start preparing your post-match speech
May 5th 2010 @ 10:52am
itsuckstobeyou said | May 5th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
It would seem the connection between Qld an Macqueen is pretty insignificant:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2005/05/09/1363548.htm
May 5th 2010 @ 11:05am
Brett McKay said | May 5th 2010 @ 11:05am | Report comment
that’s only just a step above supplying the cup himself!!
Cheers Sucksta, I knew it would turn up somewhere…
May 5th 2010 @ 7:43pm
Spencer said | May 5th 2010 @ 7:43pm | Report comment
“Right through my tenure as coach of the Brumbies and beyond that to Australia I always had a very close affiliation with Queensland, and obviously in the early days with the Brumbies, they were very supportive in a lot of ways,” he said.
The Reds sure were supportive – they donated half the team, and agreed not to beat the Brumbies for 15 years!!
May 5th 2010 @ 12:15pm
Katipo said | May 5th 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
I agree the majority of rugby trophies are contrived and meaningless. However we could do worse than introduce a Ranfurly Shield style challenge trophy to test or super rugby.
A challenge shield is competed for match by match. Winner takes all. Challenges would capture the imagination because every match is a grand final.
For internationals a trophy could be presented (along with the world cup of course) to the winner of the 2011 world cup to defend. The holder could selectively accept challenges from any international team at home or on tour adding meaning to one-off tests: winner takes all including the bragging rights.
Same could apply to this years Super tournament. Or it could be competed for by Australian sides only giving Sheek an Australian de-facto national champion! Actually I think the ARU have an Australian rugby shield in the cupboard that isn’t being used at the moment?
The great thing about this idea is that it doesn’t cost much to introduce, just add Shield.
May 5th 2010 @ 6:33pm
Patstick said | May 5th 2010 @ 6:33pm | Report comment
What about the Campese Cup for Australia vs Italy – he did play rugby in both nations.
May 5th 2010 @ 7:45pm
Spencer said | May 5th 2010 @ 7:45pm | Report comment
Agree.
May 5th 2010 @ 7:58pm
itsuckstobeyou said | May 5th 2010 @ 7:58pm | Report comment
Noice.