Memo to the IRB: this is how to fix rugby
By Spiro Zavos, 6 May 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Matt Giteau of Australia, right, is tackled during the rugby union international match between England and Australia. AP Photo/Matt Dunham
On May 13-14, the IRB community – coaches, referees and administrators (but no journalists, unfortunately) – will meet in Dublin to discuss “the playing of Rugby.” 117 of the IRB’s member unions have given an opportunity to present individual and collective insights which have been collated into a survey to help the in-depth discussion of five key areas.
* the tackle/ruck
* the scrum (collapses and resets)
* excess kicking
* physicality of the Game
* the law-making process
Before making some specific proposals, both short term and long term, I would make the point that the rugby this year, except for the dismal Waratahs, has been forthright and entertaining.
In a wider context, though, we have to accept that we do not have the ‘correct’ laws of rugby yet, and the clever and complex nature of the game suggests that the laws of rugby, like the taxation laws, will always need to be revised from time to time.
Danie Craven, arguably the most knowledgeable man on the laws of the game who ever lived, once told me that the laws of rugby are wrong. “How do we know this?”, he asked. And he answered his own question this way: “Until we can write the laws down on a single sheet of paper, like soccer, we know what we have aren’t the correct laws.”
Since the laws of rugby were first drawn up in 1860s, there have been about seven major revisions. These revisions have involved such fundamental aspects like the number of players on the field and the points allocation for tries, penalties, conversions and field goals, to lesser matters, such as whether the corner post is part of the field of play or not.
The last attempt to redraw the laws of rugby resulted in the controversial ELVs, which attempted to do what Craven suggested and simplify the codification of the game.
The 30 or so infringements at the tackle breakdown area, for instance, were reduced to three. But the diehard British unions, which have resisted every change put forward since the 1890s, virtually killed the ELVs off.
Most of the ELVs, sooner or later, will be incorporated into the game.
But what the IRB learned, or should learn, from this episode is that a philosophic change involving an acknowledgment by the British unions that rugby is a running, passing game played as far as possible on the feet, must be achieved before the correct laws of rugby are found.
Now to the issues of the moment:
1. The tackle/ruck.
The tweak that SANZAR introduced this year of insisting that the tackled player be allowed to play the ball before any other player, defender or attacker, can play it has worked well.
We need referees, though, to be consistent on this, especially near the try line where the defence tends to hold on for dear life.
And we need referees to be as vigilant of attacking players coming in from the side to control the tackled ball area as they are on the defenders.
2. The scrum (collapses and resets).
I have advocated for some time that there should only be three calls from the referees: “Crouch – Pause – Pack.”
I had originally suggested Scrum rather than Engage to avoid a double-syllable hit-word. But a writer to The Roar made the valid point that the three consonants in SCRum worked to make it a double-syllable word. Hence Pack.
The referee should also have his hands on the back of the props and propel them forward with the call of the word ‘Pack!’
Halfbacks who delay their feed should be penalised.
Long term, I believe that consideration will have to be given to rugby being a 14-man game. The NZRU proposed this to the IRB in 1939, but other matters intervened and the proposal was dropped.
The logic for a 14-man game is that the players are much bigger than they were in the past and, therefore, the field is much smaller. One man less would provide more space for the running game to be played.
You would have 7 forwards and 7 backs in the 14-man game. The scrum would pack down in a 2-3-3 formation, the formation that New Zealand rugby used very successfully from 1900s to 1929 with the famous 2-3-2 diamond scrum.
3. Excess kicking.
Graham Henry has put forward the idea that marks should be allowed on any part of the field, and not just inside the 22. I am ancient, admittedly, but I played under this law and watched many Tests with its application and it certainly reduced the amount of kicking aimlessly down field.
So bring the mark anywhere on the field back into the law book.
I believe, too, that greater protection is needed for the catcher. The South African teams, especially, have perfected the dark art of taking out the catcher while the jumper appears to be trying to catch the ball.
4. Physicality of the game.
The way to address over-physicality is to encourage running rugby. Nothing tires the Bulls more than having to chase after slick-passing, clever-stepping speedy backs and forwards.
So there should be time-out for kicks at goal.
The one minute allowance for kicks at goal gives teams with big forwards a rest and reduces the actual playing time of a match too drastically. Also, the clock should be stopped from the time a scrum is called until the ball is played from a scrum.
I reckon these changes would result in about 15 minutes more, at least, of actual playing time. With this extra time, the big thugs would become tired and the little geniuses would come into their own.
5. There should be serious consideration given, too, to making conversions and penalty kicks worth 2 points. And drop goals 1 point.
The logic here is that drop goals should really be used to break a tie. They shouldn’t be encouraged, as they are now, as a way of piling up points.
There will come a time in rugby, too, when place kicks will be given away. I believe that in the early days of Australian Rules Football the place kick was used to score points.
Rugby needs to follow the AFL on this.
If all kicks at goal were drop kicks, as they are in Sevens Rugby, time would be saved, but a skill – drop kicking rather than place kicking – retained.
Remember, it wasn’t so long ago when teams used to place kick kick-offs.
6. Extend the use-it or lose-it principle to balls lying at the back of a ruck. The use-it or lose-it rule was one of the great philosophic advances in rugby. Having the ball sit at the feet of the forwards for what seems to be an eternity is hostile to the entertainment value of rugby and to the game as a passing and running artifact.
The recent Six Nations had the second lowest try-count (44 in 15 matches) in its history. The aim of the IRB conference, hopefully, is to get the British union to understand that this is not good enough for a sport that wants to have a mass appeal.
Hopefully, then, at least the decision will be made to embrace the Southern Hemisphere way of refereeing at the breakdown and, just as importantly, the Southern Hemisphere concept that there should be more rugby and less football in the rugby football code.
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niwdEyaJ said | May 6th 2010 @ 2:48am | Report comment
Regarding the scrum… In my opinion, part of the problem is that we have 4 calls (crouch, touch, pause, engage) BEFORE the teams engage and most of the problems we currently have (scrums collapsing, teams pushing to early etc) are issues that occur AFTER the teams have engaged. There simply needs to be more clarity around what happens after the “hit” to reduce/eliminate the ambiguity around teams pushing early, halfbacks not feeding the ball, scrums not being stable etc…
I would suggest “crouch, hit, pause, SCRUM”… the teams engage on the HIT (get rid of the touch & pause calls for the variety of reasons described by other roarers in various posts) then AFTER engagement, there is a “pause” call to ensure the scrum is stable before “scrum” is called where both teams are allowed to start pushing and the halfback must put the ball in, even if his team is being out-pushed… this should elimiate the ambiguity around teams pushing early etc – quite simply if either team pushes before the “SCRUM” call, the opposition gets a 10m tap, if the halfback does not feed the ball on the “SCRUM” call, the opposition gets a 10m tap, if the scrum is collapsed during the “pause” or “SCRUM” calls, the opposition gets a 10m tap etc… no ambiguity and constant scrum re-sets.
This may not be the perfect solution but I think it is a step in the right direction – any thoughts/comments?
Rugbywits said | May 7th 2010 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
That certainly looks like it would simplify things and make it easier to understand for the viewer, probably even the forwards too.
Also it means that the breakaways will probably hold on better and be required to push as the “SCRUM” call is made because it probably makes the hooking a little more 50/50 and therefore worth the effort of trying to win against the feed.
That in turn would give the backlines that 1sec more time before someone like Phil Waugh or Richie McCaw was trying to de-bone the first-fives rib cage.
counterruck said | May 6th 2010 @ 5:41am | Report comment
1) serious consideration should be given to the old ruck laws – which doesnt mean indiscriminate rucking. no hands in the ruck would immediately elevate the body height of players attempting to clean out (defending players know they cant go for the ball). the ref just needs to make sure everyone is onside and on their feet. if the ball becomes unplayable – award a scrum to the team going forward (determined by the advantage line) – this way creative attacking rugby would be rewarded and passive attack (mindless hitups, pick and go) are punished
2) bring back the old 2 step engagement: crouch, pack. the scrum half must feed the srcum simultaneously with engagement. no resets if the ball is at the no8′s feet.
5) There is a game with that scoring system which anyone is free to watch. It’s called rugby league.
If you reduce the value of penalties, teams will begin infringing more. ideally there would be less penalties, and part of that can come through more simplified tackle laws and fixing up scrums. I have no problem with field goals being three points, they are a great act of skill and I really dont mind watching a droppie being knocked over. i think you will find the majority of rugby fans across the globe agree. that said , if any changes to scoring are needed, rugby should adopt the NFL scoring system where a field goal is worth half a touchdown, and a conversion is just 1 point.
Apelu Tielu said | May 6th 2010 @ 7:46am | Report comment
Counter, the old ruck is dangerous. If all the players are angels, then I’d say bring it back. But there will always be players, like Barkie Botha, who will stick a boot on the face of players on the ground. The risk of serious injury should keep it in the bygone.
Rugby league? Only grid iron is dumber. I really struggle to watch league unless it’s Stormers, Broncos, or Benjie Marshall.
I agree that the NFL scoring system is better and fairer. But why not make the try 6 and conversion 2? Reducing the points for the penalty will encourage infringing more as you said, so keep the penalty at 3, reduce the drop goal to 2, increase the try to 6, and keep the conversion to 2. That will encourage scoring tries. Rugby should not be afraid to change things.
Justin said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Have to disagree with the safety issue of bring back rucking.
Has there really been a serious injury form rucking? You better get rid of the scrum or tackle before rucking as that is where the spinal injuries occur. A couple of cuts to the head is no big deal in comparison.
AndyS said | May 7th 2010 @ 2:16am | Report comment
Well, there was this guy – http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/51692/rugby-club-coach-rejects-foul-play-factor-ruck-injury. Also pretty sure Buck’s nad didn’t make it’s own break for freedom unassisted.
Got to say that facial injuries being no big deal because they aren’t broken necks is a pretty stupid argument. By that token, most gougings don’t result in permanent injury so should just be ignored?
Justin said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:00pm | Report comment
Andy – Surely you arent that thick to try and insinuate I condone eye-gouging? Quite different to rucking, even a 5 year old would understand that.
As for using a rare one in a million example? Well gee thats super. We may as well ban the sport, better yet ban any sport with the possibility of physical contact and altercations in case the one in a million happens
Fair dinkum, like debating with children sometimes on here…
AndyS said | May 8th 2010 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
I am sure you don’t condone it; I am merely observing that the same specious argument would apply. Less contentiously then, what about head high tackles? They used to be common as muck, are far more common even now, seldom cause much actual harm, didn’t cause much comment in the past, so if we are turning the clock back I suppose we just let them get on with it? After all, I am sure that if they stopped penalising it no player would intentionally do it or abuse the license, any more than they would intentionally use the feet in an ungentlemanly way…?
Your statement was that “A couple of cuts to the head is no big deal in comparison [to a spinal injury]“. Not much is, so is the principle that anything less than a broken neck should be open slather? If you want to talk about arguing with kids, the idea that something is acceptable just because it isn’t something worse is very much the sort of thing my young nephew would come up with. The two are unrelated and neither are acceptable. Even under the rucking laws as were, contact with the head was penalised. Your attitude that it was no big deal, widely held, was probably a big part in rucking being done away with in the first place. If folk had always put their feet only where they were supposed to and no-one was getting injured, we might well still be able to use our feet to this day. But they didn’t, injuries were hardly “one in a million” when everyone has at least one story, and no professional sporting body was ever going to have itself held responsible or tolerate such pictures being broadcast around the world. More likely everyone would have wound up wearing helmets and, for mine, that would have been much worse.
But it is down to professionalism, so there is your out. Start a campaign to reintroduce full rucking, but restricted entirely to amateur levels. Everyone signs a waiver and has at it. If as you seem to think the desire is there throughout the sport, the clubs could be doing it this season. Show them the way!
Plasmodium said | May 6th 2010 @ 6:34am | Report comment
Excellent summation SPIRO. As you point out, the IRB has had many chances to simplify the laws using other ball sports as their guide. They’ve resisted because they don’t want a simple game. Many of them point to Association Football as a poor sport simply because it appears to be so unregulated. In the RFU bar at Twickers I once ventured the opinion that many rugby league players had great skills and I was practically asked to leave. The old Colonel Blimps have been superceded by younger Colonel Blimps. They’re still mired in Tom Brownland where to spare the rod – in this case, the whistle – is to spoil the boy. Too many of the NH rugby establishment – specially the Celts – think that without severe discipline, enforced with the iron jaw of a prison guard, chaos awaits. They actually applaud frequent bouts of the whistle because it shows that the game is being properly controlled by the headmaster – the referee. And should a ref be of the opinion that important rugby games should be allowed to flow, he gets a black mark against him, which is one of the reasons why the whistle blows so often.
It’s a great shame that journos like yourself will not be welcome at the Dublin meet. Now we’ll get only the official version of what transpires. As for the conference itself, I kind of think it’ll be the NH versus the SH, and we’ll be vastly outnumbered.
pothale said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:53am | Report comment
“Too many of the NH rugby establishment – specially the Celts – think that without severe discipline, enforced with the iron jaw of a prison guard, chaos awaits. They actually applaud frequent bouts of the whistle because it shows that the game is being properly controlled by the headmaster – the referee. And should a ref be of the opinion that important rugby games should be allowed to flow, he gets a black mark against him, which is one of the reasons why the whistle blows so often.”
Uttter tosh. Where’s the evidence for that?
stuff happens said | May 6th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Entirely agree Pothale and this endless diatribe of ‘they’ are wrong ( they being the NH) and ‘we’ are right ( we being the SH ) does not help the arguments for change at all.It merely irritates those who have a different perspective & they disappear into their trenches.Spiro’s articles always blame someone else.
As we have discussed on the roar before there is a view in the NH that the reason the Australians particularly are always barking for change is because rugby has become weaker here in comparison with AFL, Football & League ( broadly true in my view).Unfortunately for Australia, in the UK and France and South Africa the game is by and large in robust shape – change is a luxury.
Incidentally whenever change is discussed I always suggest abolishing the conversion kick. Complete waste of time & space. Award 7 points for the try & get on with it. I usually get shouted down about ‘changing the fabric of the game’ or some such nonsense – so I have another glass of red and say no more.
pothale said | May 6th 2010 @ 10:41am | Report comment
I am quietly chuckling at your glass of vino solution.
Think I’ll join you.
Bondiplage said | May 6th 2010 @ 7:05am | Report comment
One of the laws that needs serious work is the area of the penalty try. I believe the ref can award one if he thinks a try would “probably” have been scored. This is unknowable. Anything could happen. But all too often, when a scrum on the 5m is about to be won by the attacking team, the defending team takes no chances and deliberately rakes with a hand and a penalty is awarded. So the defending team accepts a deficit of 3 points rather than a possible 5 or 7.
Solution – when a team in the opponent’s red zone has a lineout throw or a scrum feed, and the defending team commits a foul, it’s an automatic 7-point penalty try. That way, the defence would have to try to keep the attacking team out by playing rugby and not gaming the ridiculous laws.
niwdEyaJ said | May 6th 2010 @ 9:14pm | Report comment
I’d prefer to see a 2 point penalty (penalties shouldn’t be worth 3… it’s ridiculous that 2 pens is worth more than a try) BUT after the penalty is taken, regardles of whether the attacking team converts, they continue play from where the penalty occured rather than go back to the middle for the restart. awarding a penalty try is too harsh I think but you are right in that the current laws incentivise teams to commit penalites to avoid giving away 5 or 7… by giving the attacking team a penalty AND restarting where the penalty is committed, this should disincentivise teams to commit deliberate penalties in the “red” zone as they will be giving away 2-3 points AND still be under attack!
Dingobob said | May 6th 2010 @ 7:55am | Report comment
I think they should make the props where loose jerseys. As silly as it sounds how many times have you seen props not being able to bind onto the opposition because their jersey is so tight fitting and slick it is impossible to get a bind on and therefore down it goes. I see it every week in the Super 14.
hammer said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Or why not allow the props to place their hand on the ground to prevent a collapse straight after the hit
the idea that journos should be there is dumb – I’m sure SZ wouldn’t want the likes of Jones from the Times there – coaches and players should be the ones most listened to.
The tackle ball area still needs work – I’m not a fan of what’s described above – we’re almost back to non stop phase after phase play – a contest still needs paramount – otherwise we will see more and teams opting out in favour of setting up a defensive line – rugby league by default
Justin said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Hammer – I think the point of journo’s being there would be so there could be some factual reporting of what happens and who is pushing what agenda. I would much prefer that than hearing from an IRB spokesman at the end of it who tells us fark all.
katzilla said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:52pm | Report comment
Factual reporting and Journos is an Oxymoron.
Aljay said | May 6th 2010 @ 9:20am | Report comment
Absolutely agree with the idea that props should be able to place their outside hand on the ground for stabilisation, which would lead to a lot less collapses.
I haven’t yet heard a decent argument against this.
MattyP said | May 7th 2010 @ 2:28am | Report comment
When I started propping 20 years ago as a loosehead, we were all taught to put our left hand on our thigh for stabilization when packing. This works much better. To put you hand on the ground it means you are very low – shoulders level with hips at best, probably below – increasing the probability of a collapse. But of course packing in with hand on thigh today would make it too obvious that you’re not binding therefore giving away a penalty. Which is arse-backwards, because the “not binding” rule is supposed to prevent collapses – but binding onto your opposition front row won’t keep the scrum up if the angle of the hit is forcing it down with 10 blokes’ pushing forcing the issue.
Regarding collapses generally – they have always happened. It’s part of the game. Scrumming is a good way to wear out the big blokes, tire them out. Next time you see some pretty thespian skipping through a backline for a try under the posts from phase ball, bear in mind that that try may have been scored precisely because there had been 3 resets at the previous scrum, the second rowers were knackered, and consequently being a yard shorter than usual of pace, left a whole in the defensive line.
The best way to reduce collapses and resets would be to de-power the hit (not advocating it, just saying it) on initial engagement. I know this is probably somewhat contradicting myself – but if you watch older videos of rugger say the ’71 NZ v Baabaas – there effectively was no hit, and fewer scum problems (although you will see the ref blowing a lot of scrum penalties).
Rob said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Spiro, Could you clarify the 2-3-3 or 2-3-2 scrum formation.
Also at the breakdown in your understanding of the interpretations, if a defender ( not the tackler ) tries to pick up the ball off the ground after it has been placed back by the tackled player a) is it a ruck ? and b) if not is another attacking player allowed to contest for the ball with his feet while the defender is trying to pick up the ball with his hands?
Rickety Knees said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Great summation Spiro – however the problem is and always will be crossing the divide of NH and SH. Nothing much is going to change until we play in the one global competition – yes Rugby in the NH would be played in their summer months.
Spiro Zavos said | May 6th 2010 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Rob, here goes. The 2-3-2 scrum was played with sides of 15 players. The wing forward feed the scrum because the ball came out quickly. The wing forward also acted to put pressure on the opposing feeding halfback, a point of contention for the 1905 All Blacks on their famous tour of the United Kingdom and France in which they lost one match only, against Wales (with a disputed try involved) towards the end of the arduous tour.
The scrum apparently was very stable. I am old but not old enough to have ever seen this scrum. Both front rowers or hookers were allowed to strike for the ball. The scrum was a good contest, and on the 1905 tour, the 7-man New Zealand pack regularly overwhelmend the 8-man opposition packs.
I guess, too, you could have a 3-4 pack or a 3-2-2 pack, if you want to keep a 3-man front row.
Now for the ruck. my understanding is that the tackled player must be allowed to place the ball. When he is released, a second tackler can try and get his hands on the ball. Once the ruck is formed and the tacklers go off the ground, they must also release.
A defender picking up the ball off the ground once it is tackled does not constitute a ruck. Both sides can contest the ball at this point.
I would like the defending (tackled) side subjected to the same requirements of having to come through the gate as the tackling side to provide the chance for a contest with counter-rucking.
We will never get old-fashioned rucking back, unfortunately. The French have insisted to many years that as far as possible the game must be played on the feet. They sort of invented the maul to replace the ruck to help this. There is too much scope for head-kicking etc with rucking that the insurers would not tolerate, I believe. Also parents would find rucking too rough for their children, male and female rugby players.
sheek said | May 6th 2010 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Spiro,
A general question – how fast do we want rugby to become?
Rugby league has speeded up its game, but is it necessarily a better spectacle? The gladiatorial aspect, with 4 bench players & 12 interchanges, has been lost somewhat. The game isn’t always better to watch.
Ditto Australian football, which seems to be heading towards a larger version of basketball. Lots o activity certainly, but can you say there’s quality also?
Someone once said, & it might even have been you about 15 years ago, that any sport needs its ‘pauses’ so that fans can reflect on perhaps a great passage of play they’ve just witnessed.
If there is non-stop helter-skelter action for 80 minutes, most fans will have forgotten all the goodd passages of play that occurred after 20 minutes, since there is no ‘trigger’ or pause, for them to store the good moments in their mind.
Not only do fans want to be entertained, but we want to savour & remember the good experience as well.
If the purpose of the 7 man scrum is to speed up restarts, the scrum will eventually become as insignificant as in league, & the quantity of action won’t necessarily be a substitute for quality.
Aljay said | May 6th 2010 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Sheek, great question, but I think what you are leading to is a more pertinent question, and one that possibly explains the many disagreements between Northern & Southern views on the game.
What is the average number of tries that should be scored each game (to make it the most enjoyable to play and watch).
I think a fair generalization would be that southern players/fans enjoy higher scoring games than those in the north – witness the (lack of) support for ELVs, playing styles, the derision of the S14 by the North as “basketball rugby”, or even different opinions on whether the last WC final was a bore or a cracking contest. Most law variations suggested or supported by the South, and in particular Australia, seem to be aimed at increasing the pace and thus increasing the number of tries scored per match.
The next question to ask is why this is the case, and part of the answer lies in the surrounding sports that make up the national psyche. Every rugby player/fan in NSW & QLD has also watched plenty of league and whenever I’ve questioned people on what they think an appropriate scoring rate is, the answer is 3-4 tries per team per game – pretty similar to league. As a generalization that I am sure will be rebutted, I think it can be said the typical Northern player/fan would answer slightly less than this. Which just so happens to be the same scoring rate as another very popular sport in the northern hemisphere.
sheek said | May 6th 2010 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
Thanks Aljay,
However, I would caution ever trying to suggest how many tries makes up an enjoyable game. Sometimes occasionally, a no-try match can be compelling. At other times, a 10 try game might not get the blood running at all!
I often say i want to see “entertaining rugby”. Others interpret this as meaning I want to see tries galore. But this isn’t true. Tries don’t mean much if they’re scored against soft defences. However, tries that unlock tight defences are worth seeing!
What I guess I mean is that I want to see engaging rugby. I want to see the players throwing themselves at each other as if they care. If the players are engaged, then the fans will be engaged.
pothale said | May 7th 2010 @ 3:33am | Report comment
Alljay – just so you know – as a typical Northern fan, I’d like to see 4-5 tries per game if/when the weather and ground conditions allow it. During winter, it’s less likely, heading into Spring/Summer, it’s more likely.
Them’s the breaks. As Sheek points out, a low-scoring game can still have you on the edge of your seat, if you’re watching committed defences, and enthusiastic/inventive attacking.
The running myth that Northern games end in 9-6 penalty-fests is just that – a myth. They’re not as high as S14 scorelines but what the hey – whatever floats your boat. I enjoy watching both comps for different styles and pace.
I’m sure that if it were possible to transport S14 teams to play during the NH season on NH grounds in NH weather, and do vice versa and transport the NH teams down south to play, the resulting scorelines would be different.
For what it’s worth, a quick analysis of scorelines in the Magners League this season – where they didn’t introduce rule changes to bring back the crowds like the english Premiership nor did they introduce the new interpretations at any stage – shows that the lowest scoreline was 8-9 (to keep the SH doubters happy) and the highest was 49-28.
Combined scorelines for matches across the season tot up like this:
10s – 5 matches
20s – 11 matches
30s – 35 matches
40s – 19 matches
50+ – 10 matches
In a 10-team league, there’s been 298 tries so far with one round left, with an average of 30 tries scored per team, and a try-rate per match of 3.5 tries. (I’ve never seen a half-try awarded admittedly.) So your estimate of 3-4 tries that would keep NSW/QLD fans happy is what you get in the Magners. God knows what it will be like next season when they supposedly introduce the new interpretations – we might have to put up with 5 or 6 tries per match.
Justin said | May 7th 2010 @ 9:03pm | Report comment
Thats why the NH needs to lok at moving and restructuring their season as I have alluded to before.
Better weather, conditions attitudes and less competition from football. What is the downside????
pothale said | May 9th 2010 @ 2:24am | Report comment
Justin
I wasn’t making an argument for shifting the season. I’m quite happy with how it operates by and large. The assumptions that rugby in either hemisphere should shift lock, stock and barrel to suit the other is odd. If NH clubs are happy with their lot by and large, why would you want to shift it?
Besides NH countries are not one homogenous lump. For example, Irish soccer league has shifted to the summer and summer is also main time for football and hurling with GAA. It would possibly work easiest in Wales and Scotland. England has cricket, tennis (World Cup soccer this year). Frances is France. Italy – too bloody hot.
S14 Rugby this year has been an improvement on last season according to its fans and commentators. There are 91 matches in a S14 season similar to the 90 games in a Magners season. With 80 odd games played to date in S14, the combined scorelines break out thus:
20s – 3 matches
30s – 17 matches
40s – 18 matches
50s – 17 matches
60s – 15 matches
70+ – 11 matches
There have been 455 tries scored to date (compared to 457 at same time last season and 439 in 2008). Try average per game is 5.6 – pretty much the same as last two years.
‘Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose’ as the French would say.
Mr Saunders said | May 7th 2010 @ 3:53am | Report comment
Do you live in the northern hemisphere, Aljay?
Mals said | May 6th 2010 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Some good points Sheek.
I think the purpose of the 7 man scrum as initially suggested by Spiro was if rugby teams were reduced to 14 players, 7 forwards & 7 backs.
soapit said | May 6th 2010 @ 11:12am | Report comment
the loss of the gladitorial aspect has nothing to do with the speed of the game and everything to do with available interchanges. rugby has it right with the interchanges so more speed will mean more tired players and more gaps as the game wears on. brutal start and exciting gladitorial finish.
ideally you’d go back to only sub at an injury but impossible to enforce.
itsuckstobeyou said | May 6th 2010 @ 11:24am | Report comment
I think you’re right Sheek. If the fans wanted to watch rugby without interruption and dozens of tries, we’d all be watching Sevens instead. The reason we watch the 15 man game is not far removed from why we watch Test cricket. It’s not just what happens on the field, it’s the history and the sense of awe that comes with it.
I heard some commentary recently regarding Pakistans recent 5 wicket over against the Aussies in the Twnty20 WC. If such a feat had have occured during a test match, it would be in folklore. But because it happened in the Twenty20 game where something incredible seems to happen every couple of overs, it will no doubt be forgotten and surpassed in due time.
I’d hate to think that 15-man rugby could get to a point where those few moments of perfection which we all pine for, are lost in a sea of easy tries.
Chris Beck said | May 6th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Man, I would be all for reducing the value of a drop goal. I’m tired of watching people kick one after another.
As for penalties, keep them as they are – don’t want more infringement just because the cost of infringing is cheap.