It’s time for unity behind our World Cup bid
By Adrian Musolino, 10 May 2010 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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The news that the AFL, the NRL, Australian Rugby Union (ARU), the Football Federation Australia (FFA) and the Federal Government have signed off on a memorandum of understanding in regard to a prospective Australian World Cup hopefully represents a turning point for the bid and a new sense of unity behind it.
While the finer details of the agreement were not made public, the most crucial aspect is that the AFL, NRL and Super 15 seasons will continue and relocate away from the stadiums that will be needed for the World Cup – the MCG, Skilled Stadium, Subiaco Oval, Gold Coast Stadium and Adelaide Oval – and the bid will comply with FIFA’s strict requirements.
The agreement will obviously involve some type of compensation to the codes for having to relocate during the tournament, and it seems, according to the statement, that all the issues involved in Australia’s hosting of a World Cup in relation to other codes have been addressed and consensus reached.
According to AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou, “All matters are now resolved and we, like all Australians, will continue to throw our support behind Australia’s bid for the soccer World Cup.”
With the World Cup bid book on its way to Switzerland to be digested by FIFA, the agreement back in Australia will come as a welcome relief to fans that watched as the bid was being derailed and hijacked by the ongoing discussions and public squabbles involving stadium availability.
Let’s hope this is the last we hear of such squabbles and that this agreement represents a turning point for the bid.
On Friday I wrote that our World Cup bid had suffered in silence as these codes set the agenda in the press by focusing more on what Australia would lose by staging the tournament rather than what we would gain.
On the back of this news, it’s time for the FFA to ramp up the volume of our bid and generate some momentum and excitement around it by telling Australia what a World Cup on our shores would mean; how it will be a tournament for all Australians and not just football fans; and why it shouldn’t be feared by non-football fans.
If the spirit of the agreement is maintained and respected, then the FFA shouldn’t expect the rival codes to hijack their case.
On the other side of the fence, it would help football’s cause if some of its fans and pundits now toned down their anti-domestic code tirades, particularly if these codes do respect the agreement.
Such tirades only fueled the “code war” schism that overshadowed the bid.
If these governing bodies can come to an agreement with all the complexities of the stadium negotiations and compensations, then surely fans can do likewise and all back the bid.
The World Cup is for all Australians, and it’s now time for the focus to switch to what it would bring to Australia and working towards making it happen.
It’s time for the next stage of our World Cup bid, with a united Australia behind it.
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May 10th 2010 @ 9:01am
aZack said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:01am | Report comment
This World Cup bid has no chance of winning because the stadia are not suitable. Despite Kevins best attempt to blow as much money as possible on a party donors personal ambition, the political reality of the infrastructure costs has basically voided a legitimate bid. Rudd is headed to be a one term wonder for lots of reasons, his profligacy with public money among them.
The bid can go to hell as far as I’m concerned, I don’t want to be picking up the inevitable tab in the billions. How many tens of millions has this waste of time cost us so far?
May 10th 2010 @ 9:22am
Towser said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:22am | Report comment
Becks to present Englands bid for 2018:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8671244.stm
Noticed these 2 paragraphs in particular from above
“Each of the bidding countries must enter hundreds of pages of technical information outlining details of venues, training camps, ticketing, government guarantees, transport and, crucially, estimates for how much the World Cup will cost to stage and how much income it will generate.
This is likely to be a crucial factor in Fifa’s assessment of each of the bids as they have indicated they do not want countries overstretching themselves as the world still comes to terms with the fall-out from the global economic downturn. ”
So how much we are overstretching in comparison to our competitors will be a major part of deciding who gets to host according to this article from the BBC.
May 10th 2010 @ 9:33am
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Towser
with respect, and I know you as much about this sort of stuff as the rest of us combined, but can you honestly imagine FIFA being concerned about countries “sretching” themselves?
Can anyone imagine Jack Warner worrying about anyone stretching themselves?
South Africa has basically stretched itself beyond repair, and Brazil is about to do the same.
May 10th 2010 @ 9:56am
Towser said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Let me put it this way in relation to the words FIFA & concerned I see a parallel between a starving lion coming across a mother antelope & its baby who has 3 legs.
“I’m so concerned about your baby” said the Lion, “How will it survive with only 3 legs”
“Let me help you look after it”
The next day one fat lion was seen next to a pile of bones.
May 10th 2010 @ 11:34am
Art Sapphire said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:34am | Report comment
LOL – Pip – How is Brazil going to stretch itself beyond repair.
Their current GDP is 1.5 trillion dollars. Sth Africa’s is around $300 Billion Dollars. Australia’s is 1 trillion dollars.
They are about to build a 9 billion dollars super fast rail service from Rio to Sao Paolo.
Their estimated cost for building new and upgrading the stadiums is around 1.5 billion dollars.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:06pm
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
I read this in the UK Telegraph the other day:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/teams/brazil/7686639/World-Cup-2014-Fifa-sound-alarm-as-Brazilian-venues-fall-behind-schedule.html
May 10th 2010 @ 1:27pm
Art Sapphire said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Reading is one thing, spreading fear and hitting the panic button is another.
Good thing FIFA did not take an interest in AAMI Park.
Otherwise,alarm bells would have rung every day for the last 6 months.
Got any other bad news to give us. How about Peak Oil
May 10th 2010 @ 1:31pm
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Why do you keep mentioning “peak oil” – I’ve never once, in my whole life, written anything that mentioned “peak oil”.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:41pm
Art Sapphire said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Didn’t realise 2 words like Peak Oil can cause such a response.
I don’t keep mentioning it. Infact, its probably the first time I have ever typed those 2 words together.
Unlike, certain people whose hysterically used those 2 words in their campaign against Australia’s bid over the past year.
You should have played that one thru to the keeper.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:47pm
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Hysterical?
Who used it?
Not me.
Say straight out what you mean – and then let’s have the moderators sort it out – I’m all in favour of it.
May 10th 2010 @ 10:13am
mahony said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:13am | Report comment
You can bet the AFL’s media arm (News Limited) will continue the battle to destroy the WCBid in new and innovative ways we have not even thought of yet. The ‘code wars’ are just a part of a broader, long-standing ‘culture war’ in Australia. I don’t buy the “we have an MOU and now we will all get behind the bid” line from the AFL. They are treacherous, ruthless and most of all – small. Let the “brick bats” begin.
May 10th 2010 @ 10:31am
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:31am | Report comment
AFL or NRL’s media arm? NRL is half owned by News Limited. AFL is owned by the 600,000+ members
Please get your facts right…
May 10th 2010 @ 6:06pm
Emperor Penguin said | May 10th 2010 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
Hmm.
Evidence tabled during the C7 court case (which involved the AFL) showed that the AFL spends a fortune each year to ensure its news is first in the headlines on tv and that they get favourable coverage in the media.
So, yes, the AFL isn’t owned by the media, but they have just as dirty a relationship with the media as the NRL has. Don’t get me wrong, every code would do it if they had the cash. The AFL are the only mob who can afford to.
May 10th 2010 @ 10:38am
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
mahony
You have some very strange concepts mixed up there. On the one hand the AFL appears to have the capacity to do something treacherous (I’m not really sure what), but on the other you say: “most of all – small”.
Whatever you are trying to convey, it’s unclear – but if you wish to clarify – we’re all ears!
May 10th 2010 @ 11:03am
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:03am | Report comment
You aren’t exactly a stranger to strange concepts. Italian & Socceroo football fan but doesn’t want the football WC in Australia.
May 10th 2010 @ 11:30am
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Punter
are you referring to me or JamesP?
I’m not the least bit Italian, I’m not sure where you got that info from.
I’m unaware of any Italian link in my family tree.
but I am a Socceroos fan, and I’m very happy to be in the running to host the WC (although I don’t honestly believe we have much of a chance)
May 10th 2010 @ 11:48am
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:48am | Report comment
I ain’t Italian either…
May 10th 2010 @ 11:49am
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
I’m talking to the AFL supporter with the RL signature Pip.
May 10th 2010 @ 12:43pm
Australian Football said | May 10th 2010 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Spot on Punter. Be careful tho, he my turn up to be a Tah fan next..
May 10th 2010 @ 11:35am
mahony said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:35am | Report comment
They are small of mind and small of spirit. They are large of influence and power though.
May 10th 2010 @ 11:38am
mahony said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:38am | Report comment
I don’t need to get any facts right – I live in Melbourne where News Limited assault sports fans of other codes with an ongoing diet of ‘footy, footy. footy’. I am well aware of the ownership arrangements of the Melbourne Storm and my use of the phrases “media arm” was rhetorical given their huge influence – not literal. You knew this but are just an argumentative dip..
May 10th 2010 @ 5:29pm
Son of a Gun said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
Mahony = Al.
May 10th 2010 @ 11:25am
Kris said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:25am | Report comment
A quiz for you.
Q. Which of the following codes are owned by News Ltd?
A) AFL
B) NRL
Q. Which of the following codes are privately owned and which is owned by the Australian public through community membership?
A) AFL
B) FFA
C) NRL
Q. Which of the following people are political parties beholden to as a result of political donations?
A) Andrew Demetriou
B) Rupert Murdoch
C) Frank Lowy
Q. What has been the typical response of soccer/league fans in response to learning the AFL may get improved stadiums as a result of the WC bid?
A) Screw that, I no longer support the bid.
B) Great news, our bid is now more financially viable.
Q. How many baseless lies about the AFL does a soccer/league fan need to read on an internet forum before accepting it as truth?
A) One
B) None, I always check my facts.
Q. Which is the most popular football code in Australia?
A) AFL
B) Hahahahaha
May 10th 2010 @ 11:49am
JamesP said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Mahony, I am waiting to mark your responses…
May 10th 2010 @ 4:13pm
mahony said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
Look above.
May 10th 2010 @ 11:53am
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Q. Which is the most popular football code in NSW?
A) Rugby League
B) Hahahahaha
Q. Which is the most popular football code in the world?
A) Football
B) Hahahahaha
May 10th 2010 @ 2:56pm
Kris said | May 10th 2010 @ 2:56pm | Report comment
Football is not the most popular code in the world, soccer is, with notable exceptions. Same deal with Rugby League in NSW, big parts favor other codes.
May 10th 2010 @ 3:08pm
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Australian rules is the most popular sport in Australia, not football, with noble exceptions, big parts of Australia favour other sports.
May 10th 2010 @ 5:15pm
Kris said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
In Australia, Australian rules, and in some cases Rugby, is football. In Australia, soccer is not football except in the feeble minds of cultural imperialists and web site editors engaged in a “cultural war”.
May 10th 2010 @ 5:19pm
MV Dave said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
Hey Kris…watch out for those damn foreigners. Keep your crayons locked up otherwise some foreigner will come and take them… LOL.
May 10th 2010 @ 5:20pm
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:20pm | Report comment
Kris in NSW Australian Rules is not football. It may be known as Australian football, but never just football.
May 10th 2010 @ 5:22pm
Son of a Gun said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:22pm | Report comment
Spot on kris.
May 10th 2010 @ 9:55pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:55pm | Report comment
Punter,
Sydney is not NSW.
May 10th 2010 @ 10:56am
Gweeds said | May 10th 2010 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Hallelujah! Footy is saved!!!!
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/footysaved.jpg/
May 10th 2010 @ 11:40am
mahony said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:40am | Report comment
from those greedy, wogy SOKKA lovers who want to eat our children.
May 10th 2010 @ 11:55am
AndyRoo said | May 10th 2010 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Kurt will be relieved.
May 10th 2010 @ 4:11pm
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
Kurt will be very happy.
May 10th 2010 @ 9:29pm
Kurt said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:29pm | Report comment
What am I relieved about? The fact that ‘footy is saved’, or the fact that even though the AFL is now on board with the WC bid we’ve still managed 119 comments on this thread?
May 11th 2010 @ 7:50am
punter said | May 11th 2010 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Kurt, this was about your earlier comment about ‘what will have to argue about now?’. It appears the arguement rages on.
May 10th 2010 @ 12:32pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
If the World Cup is an event for all Australians then it should be marketed as such. The vast majority to Australians do not refer to the sport as football. The FFA should market it as a soccer world cup if they are serious about it being a bid for all Australians rather than just soccer fans.
May 10th 2010 @ 12:47pm
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
I think it’s marketed as ‘The World Cup’, no need for anything before it.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:00pm
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Many Australians have a very keen interest in the League, Union and Cricket World Cups, so I think Forgetmenot makes a good point, that the authorites should use Soccer World Cup when talking about the event within Australia.
October 16th 2010 @ 1:47am
TCunbeliever said | October 16th 2010 @ 1:47am | Report comment
Good Point. Whenever I hear the words World Cup I think of Rugby – and i live in Victoria. Forgetmenot raises a good point, but to sate those purists who want soccer to be referred to correctly, Is has to be the Association football world Cup, and the governing bodies should fall into line and become AFIFA and AFFA.
May 10th 2010 @ 12:59pm
Tom said | May 10th 2010 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
You know, it really annoys me when I read all the rubbish about how demanding we soccer fans are about calling soccer football, and that no other sport can be called football, and then I read a post like that.
We’ll call our own sport what we damn well like, thanks. If you’re so small minded that you can’t get over soccer fans wanting to call their sport by the name it is known throughout the world then why would anyone care what you think.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:02pm
Dogz R Barkn said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Forgetmenot is quite rightly making the case for correct usage within Australia.
What’s more, there is a definite need to avoid ambiguity, especially with the Cricket World Cup on the horizon.
I’m not sure why people have a problem with anyone demanding clarity of expression.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:10pm
Macs.football said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
The correct usage in Australia is the World Cup.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:32pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
World Cups in 2010 off the top of my head,
Hockey
Cricket
Soccer
Australia is a diverse country with a decent supporter base for all of those sports.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:42pm
Australian Football said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
AFL does not have a Football World Cup (thank the Lord). So how on earth can you be confused with what has been played out successfully on Australian shores; ie a Rugby World Cup and a Rugby League World Cup all have come and gone in Australia.
May 10th 2010 @ 2:38pm
punter said | May 10th 2010 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
I think you will be aware of when the World cup is on & won’t be confused, what everyone is talking about.
May 10th 2010 @ 3:19pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
I have no qualms with each world cup being referred to as the World Cup for its duration. Currently the World Cup for me is cricket.
I unlike some follow more than one sport.
May 10th 2010 @ 5:08pm
MV Dave said | May 10th 2010 @ 5:08pm | Report comment
There is only one World Cup…the rest can call it what they like but dont have a sport which the whole world plays (FIFA has around 208 member countries). No need to put football in front of World Cup…it is understood clearly by all but those who dislike the sport.
May 10th 2010 @ 9:53pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:53pm | Report comment
Dave,
You forgot one of many exceptions to your rule. Australia which supports more than one sport.
May 10th 2010 @ 2:33pm
Tom said | May 10th 2010 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
I’m all for clarity of expression. Thats why I called football soccer in my own post.
But where there is no chance of confusion I prefer to use the most common global expression, football. It doesn’t bother me that other people don’t do the same thing, but it really annoys me when people say that I don’t have the right to call my sport whatever I please. Particularly when those same people will turn around and screech that apparently all of us soccer fans are unfairly demanding that they call soccer football.
And I’ll say it again, Pip. You are simply incapable of objective comment on this issue. Its really sad. You can’t possibly believe that when people hear that the Football World Cup is coming they will think to themselves ‘gee I hope Ricky Ponting plays well’.
May 10th 2010 @ 1:11pm
Towser said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
The correct name as used by the FFA on both the official bid & general FFA site is the FIFA World Cup.
http://www.australia2018-2022.com.au/
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/default.aspx?s=ffahome
May 10th 2010 @ 1:34pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
They play FIFA at the FIFA World Cup?
May 10th 2010 @ 3:39pm
st. penguin said | May 10th 2010 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
You really struggle with this concept don’t you Forgetmenot?
Well how about these:
In golf, the British Open is officially “The Open Championship”
In tennis, Wimbledon is officially “The Championships Wimbledon”
am I blowing your mind??? I can imagine you now, “The Open Championship? They play Open at the Open Championship?”
May 10th 2010 @ 4:27pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
It is you who struggles with the concept that there is more than one ‘World Cup’, and more than one ‘football’.
May 10th 2010 @ 4:38pm
st. penguin said | May 10th 2010 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
Dont worry Forgetmenot, I have been able to grasp your argument. I just had to type something after that lame “they play FIFA” comment.
On a related note, I typed “World Cup” into google. The first non-soccer hit (on the second page may I add) was the homeless world cup, and second was the paragliding world.
So there you go.
May 10th 2010 @ 9:51pm
Forgetmenot said | May 10th 2010 @ 9:51pm | Report comment
Well thankyou very much for your constructive criticism.
You let a computer think for you?
May 10th 2010 @ 1:20pm
Joe FC said | May 10th 2010 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
Things looking not quite so bleak this week Adrian? I’m not sure there’s much point in cajoling, persuading or compelling people to line up behind the bid. Telling someone why they should be supporting something is a fruitless exercise if it doesn’t hold value to them. I’m desperately hoping we get the nod from FIFA but I respect the right of others to not share my enthusiasm. Everyone is entitled to an opinion even those who wear stupidity as a badge of honour as in “The AFL’s selfless generosity is one that hopefully all soccer fans will appreciate and be thankful of. NO AFL agreement – no bid”.
May 10th 2010 @ 2:18pm
Terry said | May 10th 2010 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
There is no way on Gods green earth that the AFL are going to support the the World Cup bid. Outwardly of course but while the AFL has the high level of coverage, highest crowds, tele audience and overall the best game in the world. The AFL are hoping like hell that the scambolic bid, gets laughed at.
AFL isnt rally worried about the next 10 years but it over the 10 – 20 years of World Cups that hurts. Every time there is a World Cup the AFL and NRL lose junior players. Next thing you know every bloddy kid is wearing a Cahill or Kewell shirt. Kicking a round ball around and calling it football.
May 11th 2010 @ 11:20am
Michael C said | May 11th 2010 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Terry -
You may be right,
or,
the FIFA WC may just – - – if run right, be the greatest multi sport festival in mid winter,
and the AFL might have a great opportunity like never before to promote itself to a more global audience – - as will Australia as a dynamic and diverse sporting Mecca.
Given the small steps in international growth of Australian Football over the last 10-20 years – - it might just be super timely come 2022 to help the AFL consolidate that growth with exposure like never before via all the various media ‘postcards’ style reviews of Australia and it’s unique attractions and games,
and via the tourists who make it here……..the only thing was the AFL had to ensure they retained at least one venue able to impress people……Docklands…….otherwise, every game would be a locked gate and no tourists could do a soccer/footy weekend in Melbourne for example.
May 10th 2010 @ 3:13pm
Art Sapphire said | May 10th 2010 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
What’s with the censorship. Why has my comment been deleted. Why is it wrong to point out the 24/7 bloggers who come onto this website and assume more than one identity. I am doing this for the benefit of others who come here in good faith.