Deans cagey but confident about Wallabies potential
By Spiro Zavos, 20 May 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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The ARU mixed business with rugby on Wednesday when Lexus opened its new showroom in Rushcutters Bay, Sydney, and announced its sponsorship of the Wallabies. The catch for the reptiles of the rugby media was that Robbie Deans, Will Genia and Rocky Elsom were available at a press conference and then for a chat.
This system, or the press conference part of it, is generally unhelpful for most journalists because you don’t want to ‘waste’ your best questions for the rest of the pack to hear. However, some interesting bits and pieces that have, or might have, some relevance over the coming months seemed to offer themselves for scrutiny.
Before the press conference, I stood close to Will Genia.
One of my favourite sayings is that “even the small players in rugby now are big.” But Genia is small. Chunky and muscular, yes, but small of stature: shorter than me, who stands about 5’7″ on tip toes on a good day.
The wonder of this is that on the field he plays very big: he knocks over the massive forwards; puts his shoulder into charges; and knocks tacklers flying. He is fearless and efficient under the high ball.
He is a fierce competitor and a future Wallaby captain.
Currently he is out for five weeks with knee damage. He hopes to be back in time for the June Tests. We have to hope that the ‘big’ way in which he plays (in comparison with the un-confrontational Gregan method) does not expose him to too many damaging hits.
I told one of the Lexus marketing men that it was pointless rolling out their best cars for the rugby journalists because most of us have never owned a car that was built in the same decade in which it was purchased.
We were here, therefore, to concentrate on rugby matter, and there was some interesting stuff from Robbie Deans.
He was asked whether he had made a decision about the Wallaby captain for the season. He had, he told us, and he wasn’t going to tell us who the player was. “To be announced,” he said.
I’d be surprised if Deans moved away from Rocky Elsom, even though Genia presents an attractive option. At the Crusaders, Deans preferred his captain to come from the loose forwards.
Deans said that this season finds the Wallabies in a better place than last year.
In 2009, no Australian team was in the Super 14 finals and stand-out players this season like Genia had yet to play their first game for the Wallabies. In 2010, the Waratahs are in the finals, and three of the Australian teams are in the top six Super 14 list.
He did make the cautionary point, though, that no fewer than 15 players (“a pretty good side could be selected from them”) were unavailable to the Wallaby selectors because of injuries.
Deans said he welcomed the 20 matches the Wallabies would play this year because this represents the last chance to work with the squad for some time before the Rugby World Cup. There is an extended Super 15 tournament next year, then the Tri-Nations, and almost immediately afterwards, the RWC tournament.
Asked whether it was now time for him “to deliver,” Deans replied in his typical cagey, but confident, almost cryptic manner: “No argument here. We’ll be chasing trophies. I won’t say anything beyond that. But, yes, we are capable of achieving trophies.”
Deans was then asked to comment on the intriguing suggestion by All Black great Chris Laidlaw that he was an “All Blacks coach in waiting.”
He gave a non-committal answer: “We never know what is around the corner.”
Just on another Wallaby matter, I was told by a good source at the press conference that it is unlikely that Deans will play Kurtley Beale (at fullback) and Quade Cooper (at five-eighths) in the same side. The issue is the defence of both players, or rather, their lack of defence.
The source suggested that Beale was likely to be named as fullback, meaning that Cooper would play for the Wallabies off the bench.
Deans was more forthcoming (as far as he can be, or is willing to be) on the possible outcome of the two Super 14 finals this weekend. He was asked about the Bulls tanking their match last week against the Stormers and whether he would have done this.
“Once you get off the horse,” he said, “it is difficult to get back on again.” He went on to suggest, too, that the Crusaders had an advantage of sorts of not having to play at Loftus Versfeld.
He reckoned that the Waratahs had a harder challenge than the Bulls. Newlands is an intimidating stadium, he said. The Stormers are desperate to win a Super Rugby title.
And they have a team that could go all the way.
After a last longing glance at the gleaming cars on display that I will never get close to owning, I put my note book into my bag, wrapped my Lexus scarf around my neck (a small gift for turning up) and made my way out into the rain.
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Mr Saunders said | May 20th 2010 @ 3:00am | Report comment
I quite enjoyed reading that: interesting, light-hearted and relaxed. So many articles seem to be too ‘edgy’ these days (I’m not sure I’m old enough to say ‘these days’…). Thanks, Spiro.
stuff happens said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Entirely agree v. good, well written piece.
With Lexus as a sponsor it tells you where the rugby market comes from – one of its problems which the ARU has been poor in addressing.
On another point I doubt very much whether the Bulls have made a mistake by resting their no 1 team.If the Crusaders win this game it will be amazing.
stuff happens said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Sorry I also meant to say that I’ve been mystified by Rocky Elsom’s play in the S14. Most of the games he has been AWOL.No idea what this means except the contrast with Richie McCaw could not be greater.
taylorbridge said | May 21st 2010 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
Rocky, if chosen could not be picked on form. There are at many Premier grade level playing far better Rugby. Injured he may be , I doubt it,but his heart is not in it.
Just a s Ewen McKenzie has selected reds players on form and not on reputation, we can only hope Robbie Deans will get an equally committed Wallabies side by the same strategy.
Peter K said | May 21st 2010 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
And there are players looking like stars in subbies, but so what.
S14 is far higher level than Premier grade there is no point in the comparison.
At S14 Hodgson played better in the 1st half and went off the boil, Higginbotham was the reverse was quiet to start and went really well in the 2nd half.
Rocky has had an up and down season but has had a lot of good games regardles, he does a lot of work in tight that is missed. His lineout work has been excellent as well. He is just not breaking games open like he was at Leinster. Mind you the whole brumbies team was below par.
It also has to be remembered Rocky has played rugby virtually non stop for 18 months so not surprising he was not up for every game.
I feel he still deserves his spot.
Bondiplage said | May 20th 2010 @ 5:57am | Report comment
There are various theories about picking a captain who’s off his feed as Rocky is. One says that if the player continues his slump then it’s hard to bench him if you’ve made him the boss. The second says that making a slumping player captain galvanizes him at a single stroke into regaining form. The third says that a slumping player has too much on his shoulders as captain to have much chance of regaining form.
But others point to the case of John Smit. He’s not a standout player in internationals but is terrific at leading, rallying the troops and making the right decisions.
If Rocky’s form continues to be so-so in the coming tests, maybe he can do a John Smit.
TommyM said | May 20th 2010 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Excep that he’s not an inspirational leader…. ???
el gamba said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:31am | Report comment
From memory, Rocky found an extra couple of gears when made captain last year, perhaps this will galvanise him.
It must have been hard at the brumbies to keep an eye on the broth with all of those cooks…
Nicol'arse said | May 20th 2010 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Finding an “extra couple of gears” on the field does not correspond to being a better captain. McCaw not only leads by example with his style of play… he backs it up by captaining with authority… and its obvious how much he lifts a team when he’s in it (both Crusaders & AB’s) whether he’s having a standout game personally or not.
Although its early days… I doubt very much the same can be said for Elsom. I certainly don’t know the inner dynamics of the Wallabies or how respected & effective Elsom is as a captain/leader with his players. But my gut says he’s in the role because there were nobody better last year to captain the spring tour. Is he the man for the job moving forward to RWC11? I doubt it.
While Genia and Pocock show enormous potential as probable future Wallaby captains… it might still be a tad early. IMO you need a senior player in the team (who is an auto selection) and also has good leadership skills. Elsom has tthe first part but not the second. Genia & Pocock appear to have the second but the first (yet)
So who else is there?
As critical as I’ve been of Sharpey in the past… he’d be my pick this season (with Genia as his deputy). Given the shortage of 2nd rowers he’s an auto select, he’s got seniority on his side (maybe a bit too much of it : ) and I reckon it will lift him as a player.
Any comments other Roarers?
mat said | May 20th 2010 @ 5:44pm | Report comment
I agree with you Nicol. Sharpe should have been appointed Wallabies captain before Motlock. He is a great captain, leads by example. I do not not see any traces of leadership in Elsom. He is very reserved, keeps to himself and gives you that look of “don’t bother me”. You want a Wallaby captain that public feel that they can relate to. Will Genia is an ideal person for Wallabies captain but needs to serve as Sharpe’s deputy for a season. Will Genia will become a tremedous Wallabies captain. You can see all the signs of a leader in him. I heard his father, Genia was once minister for defence/foreign affairs and deputy Prime minister of Papua New Guinea. Maybe that explains where he got his leadership qualities from.
Peter K said | May 20th 2010 @ 6:25pm | Report comment
Whoeever is appointed captain this year must be the captain through the world cup next year. It would be unsettling to change the captain next year.
There is no way with Sharpes age and up and down form that he should be picked captain. He may not make the squad next year with Horwill, Kimlin and maybe Samo back.
Genia does not have the experience, AND he showed he had significant flaws in his captaincy of the reds in his last few games.
Pocock needs some experience as a captain at state level.
mat said | May 20th 2010 @ 7:56pm | Report comment
Peter, What do you mean Genia does not have experience? Is not captain of Queensland Reds in Super 14 this year a valuable experience. Elsom does not have captaincy experience and was appointed as wallabies captain. How do you define and explain experience to say genia does not have experience?
What significant flaws have you identified in Genia as captain of reds in the last few games. In the last few games I saw a depleted and wounded Queensland reds players that are incapable of winning super 14 and nothing to do with captaincy. Or do you expect captain Genia to make magic for them to win so that he qualifies as an experience captain? Get real. The last few games I saw a wounded and yet a brave captain that leads his team to a win against highlanders. That speaks a lot about the person.
pothale said | May 20th 2010 @ 9:31pm | Report comment
I recall t pack, that when Elsom was being touted as captain even before he’d left Leinster saying that he was not a natural captain.
His role in Leinster alongside Cullen as Captain was to make him the go to guy in the pack, the guy who made the hard yards, the significant bursts which rallied thew troops; this was nicely matched with O’Driscoll leading the backline who also wisely stepped down from the captaincy of his club.
Elsom freed of captaincy could make a great return to form in my view. but whether Deans feels he has to stick with him, like Johnson to Borthwick remains to be seen.
Peter K said | May 21st 2010 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
Mat – Genia does not have enough TEST experience, I didnt say not enough captaincy experience.
He has had 1 year in tests, just a handful. Not enough to be made captain, let him concentrate on his job and learning the nuances at test level.
Genia was a very poor captain in the crunch match against the Canes.
Multiple time he took quick taps off a penalty when it had no shock value, 2 times turning it over. Once from his 22 when it was clear he should of kicked for the line and got 40 metres up field.
He passed the ball to Chambers in a poorer position on the tryline who fumbled and we let in a try. He should of been calm and slowed things down at that stage and passed the ball back to be kicked into touch.
He also lost his cool when the reds dropped a pass on the line.
Also there was a flow of questionable penalties against them especially in attack which took their momentum away. He never as captain talked to the ref about them, never asked to look at the canes when they did the same thing, which they did and didnt get penalised.
The game got away from the reds and he as captain didnt change tactics.
Same with the brumbies game, their plan wasnt working and as captain he never switched to a plan b.
Like I said not ready to be Wallabies captain.
max power said | May 21st 2010 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
Actually Peter it was Chambers who fired a pass at Genia off the ground when Genia wasn’t ready for the ball that lead to the try.
Ian Noble said | May 20th 2010 @ 6:40am | Report comment
Spiro
I am looking forward to the England tour next month. England are bringing a big squad of 44 players, partly because they are playing midweek games but I suspect mainly because it gives Johnson time to have the squad together for a decent period. Sheridan is still injured so Wallaby props can relax, but in spite of that, regardless of the outcome it will be an opportunity for one or two new faces to get a run out.
Seiran said | May 20th 2010 @ 6:52am | Report comment
Why would the Wallabies pack need to relax because Sheridan is injured? The guys not as good as he used to be.
Besides, the last time the Wallabies played England the Wallabies pack crushed the English pack. Was Sheridan playing in that game?
Ian Noble said | May 20th 2010 @ 7:32am | Report comment
No he wasn’t. He has had a serious shoulder injury.
Amateur Hour said | May 20th 2010 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
He was the year before though when Baxter got his revenge. Made him look quite ordinary from memory.
Colin N said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:47pm | Report comment
Baxter didn’t get the upper hand – it was quite even, as both props didn’t bind properly.
Mr Saunders said | May 20th 2010 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
‘Besides, the last time the Wallabies played England the Wallabies pack crushed the English pack. Was Sheridan playing in that game?’
That’s dramatically incorrect, Seiran. The last two times England have met Australia the English pack has garnered far more possession. Two tests ago when Sheridan featured I would agree that the Australian scrum had the upper hand, but equally Baxter collapsed a lot of scrums and was given arbitrary backing by the referee – something that didhn’t happen during the following tests. There was certainly no crushing going on whatsoever, and it’s no coincidence that Baxter’s test career ended so soon after that test. Now… that aside I would offer that Sheridan is not a great technical prop, as he himself admits, but when placed alongside a sound tight five he flourishes. IMO the most significant aspect of his game is his work in the ruck and lineout.
Seiran said | May 20th 2010 @ 6:49am | Report comment
Deans non-committal answer: “We never know what is around the corner.”
As soon as the AB’s position becomes available Deans will be so quick out the door he’ll leave his shadow behind.
I think he has done a pretty good job so far and it will be great to see him stick around for another four years so he can have a fully developed side to play with but I can’t see it happening. Henry will surely go after this world cup (unless the AB’s win the WC then all bets are off) and Deans must be first pick for that position.
Luckily for the Wallabies (or not), McKenzie is waiting in the wings for his shot at the job, and perhaps Mitchell would also throw his hat in the ring.
Nathan said | May 20th 2010 @ 7:55am | Report comment
Mr Henry won’t be around after next year’s wc even if AB’s win it. If he has any involvement, he will be doing it from a retirement village or nursing home.
hammer said | May 20th 2010 @ 8:20am | Report comment
if he does win it – he may well stay involved in a Lahore type roll – the NZRFU may consider his knowledge and skill invaluable …. a concept that may also hinder Deans considering the position ..
mind you if they do win – then it will be most likely that promotion will come from within the current coaching panel
winston said | May 20th 2010 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
I sure hope not, They seem to be grooming Hansen. Gats will be in the running as well
hammer said | May 20th 2010 @ 6:50am | Report comment
No wonder most NZ fans look back at the Mitchell / Deans era with distaste …. the press conference dribble continues apace it seems – all this needed was a dose of grumpy Mitchell speak and it’s circa 2003 ….
AB coach in waiting ? – firstly he needs to start showing he’s come to grips with the international game
Nathan said | May 20th 2010 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Yup, agree…Deans yet to prove himself at international level. He has a lot of respect and has earned it but still question marks over his ability at international level. He has a cool, almost poker face like demeanor but underneath he must still be questioning his own ability. The best coaches in the world are the ones that take all the complications that are associated with coaching and simplify it. Keeping it simple is they key but often easier said than done.
allblackfan said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
He could be an ABs coach in waiting.
At least with the ABs, he’s in tune with the cultural landscape and rugby thinking.
I’m sure that Deans has had to change his approach twice since becoming Wallabies coach, in the step up from provincial to international coach (a big enough step up) then there’s the cultural gap he’s had to cross.
Rickety Knees said | May 20th 2010 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
It was interesting to hear what Deans had to say on The Rugby Club last night when asked about post 2011 – something like “I hope to be in a position to be asked to continue” (coaching the Wallabies). Whether he would or not, is ofcourse, a moot point.
I understand your disquiet re the Mitchell/Deans era, however he has been a breath of fresh air to Australian Rugby – his selfless generosity of his time and rugby knowledge/wisdom has been there for all to see. His willingness to connect with anybody interested in Rugby, even in the outer western suburbs of Sydney (criminally neglected by both the ARU and the NSWRU) deserves the highest praise. He is a great ambassador for the game.
I hope that the Wallabies win the RWC in NZ and that Robbie Deans joins the elite coaches that have achieved this ultimate coaching status.
Excellent article Spiro, best you have written in a while!
Brett McKay said | May 20th 2010 @ 8:35am | Report comment
interesting, the suggetsion of Beale at fullback. Not surprising, necessarily, but interesting. And logical that Cooper and Beale not be in the starting line-up too…
warrenexpatinnz said | May 20th 2010 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Don’t know Brett, I think having two players of the ilk of Cooper and Beale in the same backline with a right hand man for each, running off their breaks would create a huge amount of doubt in a defensive line. These right hand men being Ioanne, Chambers?, Horne and Mitchell.
Throw in Genia/O’Connor (back up 9?) around the rucks and a Gitteau/Barnes 12 you would have four genuine playmakers with yes, the only draw back being the fact that if two of these players have an off night together the attacking point would be well and truly blunted.
Brett McKay said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
true Warren, and I guess I’m thinking TNs when I say what I said. I agree with you, there would certainly be a time and place (and opponent) to use that combination, no doubt. I guess the question would be whether that time is when the Bledisloe (for eg) is on the line?
warrenexpatinnz said | May 21st 2010 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
Good point, I would give them the first TN test and see what came about but as long as they were able to show it in a lesser test, lets say England?
Brett McKay said | May 21st 2010 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
The June Tests are the obvious opportunities, for sure, and that’s what I’m expecting. It was the Italy Test in Canberra last year that saw O’Connor get his opportunity, so there’s a degree of experimentation expected in these games..
Hoy said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Odd that it is suggested here that Cooper miss out. The bloke is the form player for the Super comp, and is then benched to accommodate a fullback with defensive frailties. I have always said, at least Cooper gets in behind the bloke and puts his shoulder in.
I have not seen Beale play 15 yet, and by all accounts he is going quite well, but jeez. If Cooper misses out at 10, I think it will be a massive injustice.
Mike G said | May 20th 2010 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Have to disagree re Cooper sorry, Hoy…For the June tests, yes give him a shot at some time at 10, but for mine, the BIG tests vs the Box & Blacks has to have a calming influence at 10…Barnes is the ONLY proven performer at 10 for the Wallabies in the BIG matches ((I don’t care how well Cooper or Gits have played against inferior opposition, itis only the big few I’m thinking about when saying Barnes should get the start). This thinking also influences my decision to have Beale on the bench as back 3 cover, Cooper can cover 10/12 in my mind from the bench
Glad Fop said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Defence is not what a FB is chosen for. Yes, he has to be safe under the high ball, but if he’s no great tackler, no big deal. Cullen missed plenty of people but was the first guy picked because of his ball-running skills. Beale offers a creative attacking option and is proving to be a great link coming into the line. Not playing Cooper and Beale because of defensive frailities would be a tad too conversative.
Frank O'Keeffe said | May 20th 2010 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Cullen missed lots of tackles?
ohtani's jacket said | May 20th 2010 @ 11:41am | Report comment
The fullback is the last line of defence and ought to have a role in organising the defensive line.
Dexter William said | May 20th 2010 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Matt Burke was an excellent defender. And during his prime, he was a stand out FB by a large margin.
mickh said | May 20th 2010 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
Incorrect here Glad Fop,
The Fullback must be the most technically accomplished tackler in the team. They have to be as they are so exposed.
Dave said | May 20th 2010 @ 11:01am | Report comment
By playing both of them there is a legitimate reason to worry about the teams defence. HOWEVER, now is THE time to get them out there together. That gives them 2 test seasons prior to the World Cup to get their defence RIGHT.
Deans job is safe so I dont now what his worry is. His win/loss record can hardly get any worse anyway! All we have to do is win 1 game against the All Blacks and thats an improvement!
Both guys are turning their potential into results on the field.By next year they will give us a great shot at the World Cup. Now is not the time to go safety first.
ohtani's jacket said | May 20th 2010 @ 11:45am | Report comment
I don’t think it’s a safety first approach. It’s about trying to get results for the Wallabies.