Deans cagey but confident about Wallabies potential
By Spiro Zavos, 20 May 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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The ARU mixed business with rugby on Wednesday when Lexus opened its new showroom in Rushcutters Bay, Sydney, and announced its sponsorship of the Wallabies. The catch for the reptiles of the rugby media was that Robbie Deans, Will Genia and Rocky Elsom were available at a press conference and then for a chat.
This system, or the press conference part of it, is generally unhelpful for most journalists because you don’t want to ‘waste’ your best questions for the rest of the pack to hear. However, some interesting bits and pieces that have, or might have, some relevance over the coming months seemed to offer themselves for scrutiny.
Before the press conference, I stood close to Will Genia.
One of my favourite sayings is that “even the small players in rugby now are big.” But Genia is small. Chunky and muscular, yes, but small of stature: shorter than me, who stands about 5’7″ on tip toes on a good day.
The wonder of this is that on the field he plays very big: he knocks over the massive forwards; puts his shoulder into charges; and knocks tacklers flying. He is fearless and efficient under the high ball.
He is a fierce competitor and a future Wallaby captain.
Currently he is out for five weeks with knee damage. He hopes to be back in time for the June Tests. We have to hope that the ‘big’ way in which he plays (in comparison with the un-confrontational Gregan method) does not expose him to too many damaging hits.
I told one of the Lexus marketing men that it was pointless rolling out their best cars for the rugby journalists because most of us have never owned a car that was built in the same decade in which it was purchased.
We were here, therefore, to concentrate on rugby matter, and there was some interesting stuff from Robbie Deans.
He was asked whether he had made a decision about the Wallaby captain for the season. He had, he told us, and he wasn’t going to tell us who the player was. “To be announced,” he said.
I’d be surprised if Deans moved away from Rocky Elsom, even though Genia presents an attractive option. At the Crusaders, Deans preferred his captain to come from the loose forwards.
Deans said that this season finds the Wallabies in a better place than last year.
In 2009, no Australian team was in the Super 14 finals and stand-out players this season like Genia had yet to play their first game for the Wallabies. In 2010, the Waratahs are in the finals, and three of the Australian teams are in the top six Super 14 list.
He did make the cautionary point, though, that no fewer than 15 players (“a pretty good side could be selected from them”) were unavailable to the Wallaby selectors because of injuries.
Deans said he welcomed the 20 matches the Wallabies would play this year because this represents the last chance to work with the squad for some time before the Rugby World Cup. There is an extended Super 15 tournament next year, then the Tri-Nations, and almost immediately afterwards, the RWC tournament.
Asked whether it was now time for him “to deliver,” Deans replied in his typical cagey, but confident, almost cryptic manner: “No argument here. We’ll be chasing trophies. I won’t say anything beyond that. But, yes, we are capable of achieving trophies.”
Deans was then asked to comment on the intriguing suggestion by All Black great Chris Laidlaw that he was an “All Blacks coach in waiting.”
He gave a non-committal answer: “We never know what is around the corner.”
Just on another Wallaby matter, I was told by a good source at the press conference that it is unlikely that Deans will play Kurtley Beale (at fullback) and Quade Cooper (at five-eighths) in the same side. The issue is the defence of both players, or rather, their lack of defence.
The source suggested that Beale was likely to be named as fullback, meaning that Cooper would play for the Wallabies off the bench.
Deans was more forthcoming (as far as he can be, or is willing to be) on the possible outcome of the two Super 14 finals this weekend. He was asked about the Bulls tanking their match last week against the Stormers and whether he would have done this.
“Once you get off the horse,” he said, “it is difficult to get back on again.” He went on to suggest, too, that the Crusaders had an advantage of sorts of not having to play at Loftus Versfeld.
He reckoned that the Waratahs had a harder challenge than the Bulls. Newlands is an intimidating stadium, he said. The Stormers are desperate to win a Super Rugby title.
And they have a team that could go all the way.
After a last longing glance at the gleaming cars on display that I will never get close to owning, I put my note book into my bag, wrapped my Lexus scarf around my neck (a small gift for turning up) and made my way out into the rain.
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May 20th 2010 @ 11:30am
Frank O'Keeffe said | May 20th 2010 @ 11:30am | Report comment
As much as I want the Wallabies to win the Bledisloe Cup this year, truthfully I don’t think it’ll happen. Australia needs a playmaker and I don’t think Giteau or Cooper are the men for the job. I think it’ll be a while until the Bledisloe comes back…
May 20th 2010 @ 12:07pm
JK said | May 20th 2010 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Cooper not a playmaker….what is he then ?
May 20th 2010 @ 1:10pm
jiggles said | May 20th 2010 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
What a Silly comment! Cooper not a play maker! did you watch that 1st 40m against the Highlanders? or the 3 games in the republic? or against the stormers, bulls and crusaders? lots of play was being made in those games! more then what Berrick “I had an overlap of 5, but i chose to kick” Barnes has done!
May 21st 2010 @ 2:56am
Frank O'Keeffe said | May 21st 2010 @ 2:56am | Report comment
Cooper’s good when everything in front of him is good. When everything isn’t good he can’t control the game.
May 21st 2010 @ 11:37pm
Justin said | May 21st 2010 @ 11:37pm | Report comment
And Barnes is puss even when everything in front of him is good.
Whats your point
May 20th 2010 @ 12:02pm
Peter K said | May 20th 2010 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
It makes a LOT of sense to NOT play both Cooper and Beale.
A very valid tactic with Cooper is to swap him with the F/B on defense. McKenzie did this, and Deans did it with Merhtens.
You cannot do this if Beale is the F/B.
It is important to have halves that understand each other.
Genia and Cooper made a lot of sense.
With Genia out I could easily imagine Deans would want either Valentine and Giteau or Burgess and Barnes.
Since Giteau is a proven failure at 10 I would rather Burgess and Barnes.
Mind you a good fly half should be able to work with and scrumhalf.
That is why I dont think much of Giteau at 10 he always blamed the scrumhalf.
I do feel Cooper would go well with either Valentine or Burgess but if I beleive his statements about retaining Giteau (for now) maybe he would prefer to wait until Genia is ready.
May 20th 2010 @ 12:33pm
Sam Taulelei said | May 20th 2010 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
At test level experience in key positions like 9 and 10 can make or break a side. Playing two rookies in Genia and Cooper together is an unnecessary gamble given that Barnes and Giteau are fit and available. They may not be the form Australian 10′s but you can’t ignore their experience and Giteau’s goalkicking average is exactly what you want in test matches. Using the next two test seasons to further develop Genia and Cooper is indicative of the superstar mentality surrounding Australian rugby players from press and the public.
Last year we all heard about how James O’Connor was the next big thing and if he was good enough he was old enough. It must have been painful for fans to watch him struggle and even be held accountable for some Wallaby losses.
I doubt you’ll see a Cooper and Genia partnership starting for the Wallabies in a Tri Nations match this year unless forced by injury.
May 20th 2010 @ 1:19pm
Gordon said | May 20th 2010 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
If Genia is fit there is no way any other Australian halfback will get a look in at a starting position, certainly not burgess with his horrible passing game. I would say that the selectors would be far more willing to play Quade with Genia than without him. Playing Cooper outside Burgess is a risky move, Burgess has a hard time hitting anything smaller than a bus with his pass and Quade has performed worst this year when he does not get front foot ball. Playing outside Burgess could having damaging effects to his confidence (we have possibly already seen this with Giteau).
“Using the next two test seasons to further develop Genia and Cooper is indicative of the superstar mentality surrounding Australian rugby players from press and the public.” – What does this even mean??
May 20th 2010 @ 1:44pm
Dexter William said | May 20th 2010 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Hey Gordon
Sam’s a well know AB supporter, so obviously he is hoping to have Gits at 10.
LOL.
May 20th 2010 @ 3:06pm
ohtani's jacket said | May 20th 2010 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
It doesn’t matter who you play at 10. You could borrow Dan Carter and still lose to the All Blacks right now.
May 20th 2010 @ 4:13pm
Justin said | May 20th 2010 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
You really think the gap is that big OJ?
May 20th 2010 @ 6:00pm
ohtani's jacket said | May 20th 2010 @ 6:00pm | Report comment
The gap was widening at the end of last year.
People are always acting like it’s the players and getting the right combinations but there are problems with the way the Wallabies *play*. Deans is yet to sort them out and the same tendencies were apparent in the Super 14.
I suppose the Wallabies could surprise everyone this year, but they’ll have to do it playing differently.
May 20th 2010 @ 1:53pm
rob said | May 20th 2010 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
Re Wallaby Injuries.
Genia still a chance. Ben Daley definitely available if selected. Injury not as bad as first reported and has been cleared by surgeon/specialist to play by 5th June.
May 20th 2010 @ 4:39pm
soapit said | May 20th 2010 @ 4:39pm | Report comment
on what evidence do people base the opinion that barnes is a proven performer at 10 for australia? injured half the time, in a losing team more often than not. hasnt been around very long. nothing proved.
May 20th 2010 @ 5:25pm
Nicol'arse said | May 20th 2010 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Here here to that Soapit!! (And I’m a Tahs fan).
I like the look of Toomua long term. He’s still too young for Test level though but give him 2 years and he’ll be a dead cert pick at 10 (barring injury).
I don’t care what anyone says… Giteau serves the team (and plays his best football) at 12. That leaves Barnes and Cooper for 10. Both also very young and unproven in the BIG pressure Test matches against the AB’s & Boks.
I still reckon Barnes has a tendency to kick the ball away aimlessly when there’s nothing on. Cooper on the other hand tends to be more tactically directed when he puts it on the toe.
Cooper is ideal against lesser Test opponents and in S14… as he showed against Italy last year and this whole season for the Reds. Does that mean he is the best 10 we have? I think so. Does he have weaknesses? Of course he does. His defence is ordinary and his instinctual attacking game can collapse against more organised defence of Boks & AB’s.
But I’d sooner chance my arm with Cooper now and give him as much game time as possible in the pressure cooker 3N tests so he can develop the other aspects of his game that still need improving.
Why persist with Giteau or (conservative) Barnes at 10…. that hasn’t worked for the last few years now has it?
May 20th 2010 @ 4:41pm
sheek said | May 20th 2010 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
So LEXUS is the new Wallaby jersey sponsor?
LEXUS hope the Wallabies do us proud this year.
In Deans LEXUS trust.
Ground announcer – LEXUS Wallabies do it right for you!
Lexus….. ‘let us’….. get it???
Droll……….
May 20th 2010 @ 4:59pm
soapit said | May 20th 2010 @ 4:59pm | Report comment
bit of a stretch that one mate
May 20th 2010 @ 5:14pm
James said | May 20th 2010 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
The debate for who gets 10 is getting hotter everyday. But in my mind it has to be Quade Cooper for sure. Quade has been the 2md best player in the super 14 this year by miles except for his partner Will Genia. Giteau has proven he’s best at 12, whilst Barnes has had a very quiet year. My 10,12,15 would be; Cooper, Giteau, Adam Ashley-Cooper not Kurtley Beale. Quade atleast puts his shoulder into tackles unlike Beale who is all arms. IF Quade Cooper is not selected at 10, i along with many others feel that it is very very unjust.
May 20th 2010 @ 7:03pm
JK said | May 20th 2010 @ 7:03pm | Report comment
“Quade at least puts his shoulder into tackles unlike Beale who is all arms”
They’re both ineffective.
May 20th 2010 @ 9:05pm
Damo said | May 20th 2010 @ 9:05pm | Report comment
OJ Interested to know what you see Wallabies’ problem if it’s not a world-class 10 what is it?
May 20th 2010 @ 10:19pm
ohtani's jacket said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:19pm | Report comment
In terms of their backplay, I think the Wallabies have a number of players like AAC or JOC who are good at making individual breaks but it’s no good beating two or three defenders if you get turned in the tackle or isolated from your support.
It’s not as easy to counter attack or exploit a line break as it was four or five years ago because cover defence has improved dramatically, therefore I think sides need to work on their offloading and support play and attack more from set pieces. The Wallaby backline need to play *together* instead of individually. They need to work it through the hands and stop drifting laterally. If I were a Wallaby supporter, I’d be hoping they can get on the front foot and start running some angles.
The other area that needs improving is the decision making when play breaks down. A lot of times when I watch the Wallabies, they’ll make a break that gets them into the 22 or closer and there’s a natural urgency to recycle the ball quickly but either Genia or Giteau make a poor decision from the ruck or first receiver. In Genia’s case it’s probably due to inexperience, but Giteau tends to panic IMO. Panic in the 22 is a big part of why the Wallabies aren’t pressuring the Springboks and All Blacks more. Genia starts passing flat, Giteau tries to offload to the forwards and the defence forces either a knock on or a turnover.
As for the 10 debate, if I were a Cooper fan I’d like to see him succeed GIteau from the bench little by little. I think you’re throwing him to the wolves by having him start. He doesn’t have the kicking game to get Australia out of trouble in pressure situations and his defence is a dead set liability. It doesn’t matter how good people think he is on attack, the Wallabies are not going to outscore the opposition without a hefty amount of possession, therefore there are going to be crucial periods where the Wallabies have to absorb pressure and the shut the opposition out if they’re to win the game. Who can trust Cooper in such a situation? Giteau may not be a great one-on-one defender but he’s a far more committed cover defender than Cooper and I thought he shone in this area against the Crusaders.
My thinking is that if you want Cooper to be the cemented first five from say the end of year tour onwards, you have to get Giteau out of the picture completely because if Cooper fails then Giteau will be the first five through to the WC. If Giteau fails again, then bring Cooper on in the latter half of the Tri-Nations and see if it makes a difference.
May 21st 2010 @ 8:08am
Justin said | May 21st 2010 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Deans has to make a decision very quickly. I said months ago he wont win the RWC now but he could lose it.
If he is bold then AUS is a big chance. Cooper is part of that and needs time at 10. Next years Test season is very short so he must be given a run for a considerable amount of matches this year or we will bumble around and be out in the semis or even quarters…
May 22nd 2010 @ 12:46am
Go_the_Wannabe's said | May 22nd 2010 @ 12:46am | Report comment
Good analysis OJ.
I have always admired the AB’s support play and decision making at the break down. They rarely make a mistake and consistency is what wins them a lot of games even when they are off the boil. (witness early 2009).
They know if they keep playing consistent rugby then they will start accumulating points sooner or later and will always be in with a chance of winning. This is one reason why they always have a strong belief in themselves.
Rugby is a bit like golf in this respect. It’s not how far you hit the ball or flashy you are, but how consistent.
I’ve often wondered when rugby will take a leaf out of basketball/Aussie Rules and start playing zone type rugby.i.e. hunting in bigger and bigger packs with more emphasis on the supporting the ball carrier. This could be the next big step for the Wannabe’s.
When an AB is tackled, he has several options i.e. spin and off load, try to pass off ground to support, place ball on ground close to body and lie there, place ball on ground with maximum arm extension behind himself, place ball close to body and try to regain feet and the ball etc etc etc.
This decision has to be made in a milli-second and no-one does it better than the AB’s. The reason being is that rugby is a true religion over there and is ingrained in them from cradle to grave. I don’t know if the Wannabe’s can ever reach this standard but they have to get close.
One of the areas that the Wannabe’s can excel is in ithe department of individual playmakers. Carter is still one of the best, but not as potent as in the past (IMHO). Therefore Genia and Cooper have to start to have any chance of beating the AB’s…….deep down we all should realise this.
Barnes or Gits at 10 will just mean the same results as last year. The AB’s will be praying Barnes or Gits starts at 10.
May 20th 2010 @ 10:49pm
Nathan said | May 20th 2010 @ 10:49pm | Report comment
My 10 cents worth…9. Genia, 10. Barnes, 12. Giteau, 13. Horne, 11. Mitchell, 14. Turner, 15 Ashley-Cooper. Elsom great player but not captain material…it’s almost captain by default but still think it should have gone to Nathan Sharpe.
May 21st 2010 @ 8:10am
Justin said | May 21st 2010 @ 8:10am | Report comment
NSW fan clearly. If you think Barnes or Turner deserve a spot then Beale has to be a certainty.
May 21st 2010 @ 8:50am
Peter K said | May 21st 2010 @ 8:50am | Report comment
You obviously squeezed in as many NSW players and pushed out as many Qld’s as you could.
May 21st 2010 @ 10:06am
Nathan said | May 21st 2010 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Pure coincidence.