Webber in a dogfight for the title as the battle gets nasty
By Adrian Musolino, 31 May 2010 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert

Mark Webber of Australia and Red Bull Racing in parc ferme at the Turkish Formula One Grand Prix at Istanbul Park on May 29, 2010, in Istanbul, Turkey. Photo by Vladimir Rys/Bongarts/Getty Images.
What we witnessed on lap 40 in last night’s Turkish Grand Prix when Mark Webber and Red Bull teammate Sebastian Vettel controversially collided was a season defining moment that suddenly sets up an intense intra-team battle between the pair.
The incident was a highly contentious one with both drivers differing in their opinion on who was to blame.
Pundits and fans were quick to lay the blame squarely on Vettel.
The German had moved on the inside of the Aussie and was slightly ahead of him before he darted to the right and collected Webber, with Vettel out on the spot and Webber able to continue and score a crucial third place.
Vettel was gesticulating to Webber while still spinning out of the race, and his gestures outside the car and snub to the media in the paddock hinted at his displeasure and anger toward his teammate.
Vettel eventually told the press: “Obviously, I think if you look at the pictures it was clear I had the inside. I went on the inside, I was ahead and just going down to focus on the braking point and honestly, you can see we touched and he touched my right rear wheel and I went off.”
In comparison, Webber was extremely coy in the post-race press conference, obviously disappointed but hinting that Vettel had moved across on him.
Later in the paddock he told journos it was “a f@#king disaster”.
Vettel may retract his comments when watching the replay, but Webber wasn’t totally innocent.
He aggressively tried to block Vettel initially, even when the German was alongside, and he could well have given Vettel racing room (Vettel was ahead) by moving wide, setting himself up for the next corner.
Webber has history here. His aggression in defending his line and swerving to block his rivals has been a point of contention in the past, and his ability to win out in head-to-head battles is questionable. But it was Vettel’s move across that was the fatal one that caused the contact.
It was overly aggressive from the pair as teammates (especially when compared to how the McLaren pair managed to avoid hitting each other at the same corner), but you sense it was a season defining moment for both and neither wanted to give the other the inch needed to win out.
When you consider how drastically the pendulum has swung between the pair from the Malaysian Grand Prix, where Vettel easily out psyched Webber into turn one, and Turkey up until that point with Webber on the brink of a hat-trick of wins, more was at stake than just the race win.
The psychological battle may have been intensifying of late with Vettel trying to respond to Webber’s phenomenal run of form – something that has surprised even ardent Webber fans – but the rivalry now has its clear marker.
How Vettel responds in Montreal and beyond will be fascinating.
He has been built up as the ‘next Michael Schumacher’ and few expected him to be on the back foot in the Red Bull camp. Unlucky with reliability at the start of the season (he should really be in a commanding championship position), he has been easily outpaced by Webber of late – a driver who many thought was a journeyman on his way out of F1.
The team also faces an enormous challenge to contain the rising tensions and respect the opinions of both drivers.
Already the mood seems anything but united. Key team personnel were defending Vettel over Webber following the race, with Red Bull’s motorsport consultant, Dr Helmut Marko, telling the official F1 website: “Well, in the situation Sebastian was in, he had no other choice than to act the way he did.”
Harsh on Webber but it’s not surprising of them to defend Vettel.
The fascinating dynamic within the team makes it an even more intriguing battle.
While it is English based with Webber having raced for them in their previous guise as Jaguar Racing, the Austrian-Germanic influence of Red Bull undoubtedly favour Vettel.
Already conspiracy theories abound about the team asking Webber to conserve tyres and slow, hoping it would allow Vettel to pass, etc, etc, but they have been denied by the team.
Remember, Red Bull is a young team in uncharted waters; trying to capitalise on their undoubted car advantage while containing the intra-team rivalry with the McLarens of Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button looming in the background.
And with Webber in uncharted waters as a championship leader in battle against reigning champion Button and Hamilton, the pressure is very much on Red Bull.
While he was undoubtedly disappointed at losing the race, Webber at least leaves Turkey with a five-point championship lead over Button with Vettel in fifth, 15 points back.
If Webber has rattled Vettel’s cage, he must carry on his pace advantage over the German and get the better of him on the days when Red Bull is in a race winning position, particularly if the team is going to favour Vettel.
But the threat from McLaren is real and consistency and points collection is critical.
Let’s not forget that Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault are still in a position to pinch points and podiums for the remainder of the season, making the battle between the Red Bull and McLaren quartet in the championship standings delicately poised.
They are four quality drivers in quality cars and the championship could go to any one of the four.
Webber must eliminate the mistakes from his driving, while Red Bull mustn’t self-destruct if they’re to have any hope of stopping the McLaren pair. And Webber must do so with battlelines drawn within his own team and a fired up teammate out to get revenge.
Hardcore F1 fans and Aussie bandwagon supporters alike are in for an epic battle for the remainder of the 2010 season, with Webber very much in the thick of it.
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James said | May 31st 2010 @ 6:46am | Report comment
Very controversial. Vettel at the end of the day at fault for making the contact and his reactions were after were weird. Wonder what he’ll say when he watches it on telly.
No doubt the team will favour him over Webber. An Aussie has no chance of winning out in a politically charged environment like F1 which is ruled by Europeans.
Mikey said | May 31st 2010 @ 7:28am | Report comment
Stop this poor old Aussie rubbish – if he’s good enough & the car is reliable – and thats a question in itself – he can win it.
You sound like you’re making excuses for him before he won or lost the thing.
James said | May 31st 2010 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Interesting to watch now and see who gets preferential treatment in terms of development, etc.
I’m betting it’ll be golden boy Vettel over Webber.
Doug said | May 31st 2010 @ 10:35am | Report comment
It might happen but there hasnt been any evidence to suggest it is happening so far or that it will start happening in the future. Webber is a big boy and can look after himself. Surely he doesnt need his fans to start a “we hate Vetel and Red Bull” campaign. Basically if Webber isnt fast enough to beat Vetel he has only one person to blame.
George said | May 31st 2010 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
James, of course Vettel will get ‘preferential treatment in terms of development etc.’ it’s a 22 year old with potential and big career ahead of him against a 34 year old journeyman who couldn’t be too far off retirement. Of course you’d want to invest and raise the stocks of the 22 year old
Victer said | May 31st 2010 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
Depends how long he is willing to stay at the team
Chris said | May 31st 2010 @ 7:23am | Report comment
Vettel showed afterward how immature he is. He caused a crash and then had a tantrum – grow up. With him there is ALWAYS someone else he blames.
Good to see him deliver a torpedo to his own title chances in the process.
Webber was the ultimate professional. Could have very easily blown a gasket in the post race conference.
Jeb said | May 31st 2010 @ 8:05am | Report comment
The news snap doesn’t look good for vettal as he turned into Webber. But can someone explain to casual watchers (like me) if Vettal had the racing line. Isn’t there an unwritten law that if someone passes to the inside and draws level then the other driver should pull back to allow the pass to happen cleanly?
And furthermore isn’t there an unwritten law that says that teammates shouldn’t race each other? There’s probably more than a few ways and perspective to look at this thing for sure.
Doug said | May 31st 2010 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Only if the driver being passed is conceding the position or the passing car is further along. Presumably Webber wanted to force Vetel to have a bad line through the corner so he could try to retake first place down the next straight. And Vetel was playing chicken trying to force Webber back across the track to get a better line. It was just a racing incident which didnt work out so well for the Red Bull team.
Seiran said | May 31st 2010 @ 7:04pm | Report comment
Vettel did not have the ‘racing line’ at all.
The racing line is the quickest route a car can follow to get around the track. Being on the inside of the corner does not automatically make it the ‘racing line’. In fact if either of the drivers had the better racing line it was Webber, as to get around the corner after the incident, the cars had to drift right to open up the corner.
There used to be a driver in F1 called Juan Pablo Montoya who used to carry out silly over takes much like this one when he was in F1. He would stick his Williams up the inside of the leading car under braking and then commonly end up taking both of them out when the car being overtaken wouldn’t give up the racing line. He would then go on and on about how he had passed the driver and therefore had the racing line but was mostly wrong with this claim.
Vettels positioning would have been excellent in motogp or nascars as he could of used the bounce of hitting Webbers car to slow himself down and keep in tight for the corner, but this obviously doesn’t work in F1.
Brett McKay said | May 31st 2010 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Adrian, one thing’s for sure, Webber’s contract negotiations just got a whole lot more interesting….
st. penguin said | May 31st 2010 @ 8:48am | Report comment
“He has been built up as the ‘next Michael Schumacher”
Well, you have to admit that was a very Michael Schumacher maneuver!
Brett McKay said | May 31st 2010 @ 9:20am | Report comment
St.Penguin, does that make Webber “the next Damon Hill”??
st. penguin said | May 31st 2010 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Ha ha I guess it does!
James said | May 31st 2010 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
If so it means he’ll win a championship before disappearing into the background only to reappear as a George Harrison look a like: http://www.speakersbulgaria.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/damon-hill-obe.jpg
James said | May 31st 2010 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Good call. Def saw a new and ugly side to Vettel.
Tristan Rayner said | May 31st 2010 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Revelations coming to light now that on Lap 40 Webber was in fuel save engine mode whilst Vettel had an extra lap available at full race pace – explaining his top speed advantage during Lap 41 when the incident occured.
This paints the episode in a different light as the drivers were not on equal machinery and setup. Red Bull Racing should have passed the message to Webber that Vettel was quicker – but then what – allow Webber to fight for his position, or tell Webber to give way to the faster Vettel who was under massive pressure from Hamilton?
To me, it’s a failure by Red Bull, who look like the only team capable of ruining their own chances. McLaren, on the other hand, far more experienced and wise, were able to give their drivers and equal footing and they duelled on track without spinning each other off.
Certainly though, Vettel crashed into Webber. Webber didn’t close the door, but neither did he allow Malaysia to happen where he was roundly criticised for letting Vettel swoop on him. Vettel showed his impetuous nature.
There’s a difference between sticking your car on the inside and expecting your team mate to yield and quality driving, as demonstrated by McLaren, which allowed tight close racing to occur on equal footing.
Mark Young said | May 31st 2010 @ 8:31pm | Report comment
Hiya Tristan
Nice thoughts, certainly opens up a can of worms at Red Bull eh…
And McLaren!
Did you notice that Lewis seemed a little less jubilant then normal on the podium. Jenson, sheepish. I suspect that the blow up at Woking will be every bit as severe as at Milton Keynes.
This is shaping up to be an absolutely Mega season.
Greg said | May 31st 2010 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Vettel is a goose; He rolled his eyes during the top 3 press conference after final qualif while Mark Webber spoke; that after he or him and his team crew failed to go out before Mark for the final part of the session; I hope Mark can out pace him in the next qualifying session, that should enrage the goose even further.
James said | May 31st 2010 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
I didn’t like the crazy sign Vettel made. Took two to tango.
dippa666 said | May 31st 2010 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Vettel was very happy to have Webber as a team mate when Vettel was dominating. Now that Webber is driving with the self-belief of a proven race winner Vettel has been rattled. Having Webber win three in a row was totally unacceptable to Vettel and he showed his desperation in trying the move and his immaturity in response to criticism of it.
The one question nobody has yet asked is: Would Vettel have moved over for Webber if it was Webber diving up the inside like that? I think not.
Mikey said | May 31st 2010 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
No!
John said | May 31st 2010 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Very interesting to see that Hamilton has come out on the side of Webber. Hamilton and Webber are not exactly best mates either.
Funny thing is that the end result of Red Bull’s favoritism to Vettel is that they lost a potential 30-odd points from the constructors championship table – while Webber is still sitting pretty on top of the drivers championship (and with Vettel dropping 4 places!). Couldn’t have scripted it better.
Victer said | May 31st 2010 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
Agree, this actually worked out pretty well for Webber.
James said | May 31st 2010 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
But not if the team rallies behind Vettel for the rest of the season.
John said | June 1st 2010 @ 7:19am | Report comment
They had been doing it all season anyway.
Roger Rational said | May 31st 2010 @ 4:25pm | Report comment
Webber needs to get himself into a British team pronto. He has no chance with these selfish German dudes.
James said | May 31st 2010 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
It is a British team……sort of.
Being at Williams did him no good. He needs a quick car cause he can’t make up the rest like a Hamilton, Senna, etc.
Rusty0256 said | May 31st 2010 @ 5:08pm | Report comment
There is no specific reason for Red Bull to suddenly put additional resources to help Vettel. On the contrary Webber now leads the WC and has a reasonable points gap over Vettel; why would they suddenly reduce Webber’s ability to continue or even extend his lead when he has already given them plenty of evidence that he can win races and win them well.
The fact of the matter is you have Vettel who is perhaps a hundredth or two faster than Webber over a quali lap, remains a year or two off the potential maturity required to be a World Champion. Webber remains virtually as fast as Vettel at race pace but with the maturity that can win Red Bull the World Championship NOW.
The only down side for Red Bull is that if Webber wins the WC this year Vettel may well throw the rattle out of the pram and go looking for a drive elsewhere (Mercedes?), which would be really dumb but consistent with one who still has some growing up to do.
Roger Rational said | May 31st 2010 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
It’s all marketing Rusty. These drivers are expected to pay their way (sometimes literally). Vettel is a young German who potentially unlocks a massive market. Webber is, well, Webber.