It has been announced that Israel Folau will be joining the AFL’s new Greater Western Sydney club. The move will delight some and infuriate others, but it sets up another intriguing code-switch experiment that is sure to capture plenty of interest.
All three Monday night AFL programs, as well as newspapers in both Sydney and Melbourne, reported last night that an announcement was imminent and the deal was confirmed in a press conference today at the franchise’s Blacktown base.
It is a four-year deal, reportedly worth $6 million.
“Money was not the end factor in my decision, it was the opportunity that came up,” Folau said at today’s announcement.
Following the lead of Karmichael Hunt at Gold Coast, Folau will become the second Brisbane Broncos player in as many years to join with an AFL expansion club.
While the AFL will be excited by coming out of a three-code war on top, the news won’t impress everyone, even many within the code.
After whispers of a potential Folau signing first emerged, Leigh Matthews and Jason Akermanis both attacked the AFL on the amount of money it was prepared to give league converts. Both believed it was unfair on those who have been playing the game their entire careers, and it’s a view they aren’t alone on.
Drawing from his time on the AFLPA executive, Brisbane Lions coach Michael Voss was livid yesterday: “What we thought we were investing in though was Auskick, under-10s and under-21s. What we didn’t think we were investing in were two players, who would be the highest paid players in the AFL. That would seem ridiculous that we would do that.”
Outside the code, the news means rugby league are set to lose another of its stars, as are the Broncos.
Broncos fans would have to be disappointed, especially considering Folau moved up north and joined the team – on big dollars, too – for family reasons. That he is now so willing to move elsewhere would be a cruel blow.
Fans of the NRL and rugby league in general would be disappointed to lose another star of the game, particularly in a year when the salary cap has been such a big talking point.
But back on the AFL side of things, one can’t deny the benefits to the AFL this signing will bring.
Publicity-wise, he’ll have paid back the AFL’s investment by the end of the week. GWS will be the focus of news bulletins and front pages ad nauseam over the next few days – the value of which is truly significant for a young club still finding its feet and searching for traction in the competitive Sydney media market.
And the cries of some will be subdued by the fact we can assume he’ll be signed under the non-registered rookie provision, which means his salary will avoid the salary cap, at least initially, and he won’t be taking up one of the likely 48 senior list positions the club will have in its first AFL season.
The question that will inevitably be asked from here is whether Folau can make it.
He’s 21, so age is well and truly on his side. He’s noted for his big hands and big leap, attributes that certainly won’t hold him back.
At 195 cm and 102 kg, he possesses a frame that generally takes longer to adapt to the AFL level, but also opens up a few options. A look through the AFL Prospectus suggests players of that size – particularly players who weigh north of 95 kg – are generally ruckmen.
Folau, though, has hinted full forward is his position. It’s ambitious, but then again, what isn’t ambitious about this whole thing?
We are entering unknown territory with these signings. They may work out, they may not.
The fun with Folau, just as with Hunt, will be in watching it all unfold and finding out.
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Forgetmenot said | June 1st 2010 @ 1:40am | Report comment
If this news is true it will bring unbelievable publicity to football. As soon as Folau peformed his mark and try in Melbourne the whole country was abuzz.
I am more eager to see Folau play football then for Hunt to.
These signings have huge benefits, but we also need to be wary of not expecting all league converts to succeed. It will be a tough road for both players, but one with HUGE rewards.
Football truly is a game that anyone can play, a game that welcomes everyone, and a game of multiple skills.
John said | June 1st 2010 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Mike – I dislike AFL as much as the next guy – but your comment was pure and simple trolling.
Ben said | June 1st 2010 @ 9:42am | Report comment
And why no one plays American football outside the US? Or Gaelic football outside Ireland? Aussie Rules is an indigenous code, invented in this very country. What’s so hard to understand about that?
Rose said | June 1st 2010 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
There’s nothing indigenous about a sport that ripped off a culmination of other sports.
Get over yourself. There’s only 1 pro AFL comp in the world. The only comp of any code where its possible for men to get $1 mill a year without ever playing a match in their lives, providing of course they play LEAGUE.
Harvey the Scouser said | June 1st 2010 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
actually, at least 4 AFL players in the last decade have made a nice living out of the NFL after converting in their 30s
JF said | June 1st 2010 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
They run on, punt the ball, then run off – hardly ‘converting’
Jeb said | June 1st 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
AFL is a good game to watch, but c’mon doesn’t it say something about the skills required in a sport when someone is offered that amount of money when they’ve never played the game. Maybe, just maybe it shows that the “multiple skills” aren’t all that they are cracked up to be?
Richard said | June 1st 2010 @ 10:21am | Report comment
Jeb, you are right. Australian Football is a great game to watch. It’s an even better game to play. But the RL converts are not being paid large sums just to play footy. They are being paid large sums to make footy noticed in a new environment. As you can see, they are already proividing what they are being paid for. The multiple skills thing – it’s true. There are players in the AFL these days who have succeeded or had promising futures in other sports including soccer, basketball, gaelic football, gridiron, rugby league and rugby union. All of these games have skills which are valuable in Australian Football. The best of all worlds.
Forgetmenot said | June 1st 2010 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Lol … im not sure that even the most hardcore soccer fans would agree with you on that one.
zach said | June 1st 2010 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
You are right, Richard. If the Sydney media had not blockaded reporting of AFL, the code would not have had to take this path.
Michael said | June 2nd 2010 @ 9:16am | Report comment
I’m sorry…but that is the most IGNORANT comment i’ve read so far.
Out of 10 pages of sport in a daily paper, the AFL get at least 2 pages. In Melbourne, what exactly do the Melbourne Storm get?…a snippet…if that.
Your sport Zach, is not higher than mighty and despite your and your fellow supporters arrogance, along with that of your Codes CEO, the AFL will never overrule NRL in NSW and QLD, despite throwing money everywhere and shoving the game down people’s throats.
The AFL get more than a fair go in NSW, and a much fairer go than League gets in Melbourne where the game is treated with contempt.
Therefore, your comment is a joke.
Anthony said | June 3rd 2010 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Michael – read the Herald-Sun…something about Storm every day. Sometimes little about some of the AFL clubs, which all have bigger attendances & members. By contrast, SMH & Telegrah often have zero about Swans, who do get bigger attendances, & have largest membership of any Sydney football club!
Michael C said | June 3rd 2010 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
funny thing – last week someone whinged that Melb Herald Sun – supposed ‘number 1 in sport’ didn’t carry anything on the previous nights SoO, and yet my copy at home had it on the back page (photo) and a full page in on p.82,
I can only suggest that some people make the mistake at times of looking at a country edition (perhaps Sydney Airport edition??) that won’t have ANY of the previous evenings results……AFL, or NRL.
Either that – - or the guy was just whinging about an imagined wrong without checking any sort of facts!!!
Aide said | June 4th 2010 @ 9:52pm | Report comment
That’s not actually true. AFL is always reported up here.Obviously not to the same extent as League. Aussie rules has been in Sydney since since the early 1900′s. Many people do not realise that the VFL and Rugby Union fought to win the hearts of Sydney siders before 1908 but both lost out to the newly formed Rugby League.
slickwilly said | June 1st 2010 @ 11:12am | Report comment
many players play many different roles on the afl football field – not all are expected to be high possession winners running through the centre corridor… you appear to be of the mistaken belief that folau will assume a prominent role in the midfield aka ablett or judd… folau may very well end up playing a negating role across half back flank where he is assigned space to defend in the same way simon prestigiacomo and his ilk do (presti would be lucky to get 3 kicks a game yet is well regarded as defender). all folau would need to perform this role is athleticism, aerobic capacity and an ability to read the flight of the ball leaving the grunt work to highly skilled ball players like those already mentioned
Jeb said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
Fair enough comments slickwilly and Richard,
I do think it’s interesting though the amount of players that come to afl from other sports. And yes, it’s actually an attribute of the game. But I think it also shows that there’s too much “skill” involved or that the skills are necessarily complex/hard to learn. That said, the afl is full of players who are superhuman athletes but who can’t drop the ball straight onto their foot. So what makes the game great is the athleticism, aggession and the game itself (if that makes sense).
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Jeb -
most skills in all sports are, mechanically fairly straight forward when broken down.
However, the execution under pressure and decision making and the ability to find/use space etc…..all the game sense aspects are another story.
From a purely ‘skills’ sense, anyone of us could take the manual and become a ‘drills coach’ for example – - but, to become a match day coach would be much, much harder.
Same as a player.
The AFL has come a long way though on the back of the (early days much derided) ‘Irish experiment’. And as some people suggest – a blank canvas is easier to work with than one already painted (if painted poorly!!!).
For code conversion ‘projects’ – - the AFL coaching systems at a number of clubs in particular have a fair bit of accumulated knowledge now…….but, still only limit raging success stories, but, a good number of ‘qualified’ success stories.
captain nemo said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
I think that the reason so many players from other codes have been able to successfully convert to AFL ( up to now players that have not been international A grade players .ie Mike Pyke) is that the game of AFL is alot easier to master than rugby, league and football. League players will find the lack of physical brutality a walk in the park. However, how will they keep their cool when that stupid pushing they do occurs. I doubt there would be one established AFL player who could handle the brutality of rugby league
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
captain nemo -
Pyke’s ‘success’ is still qualified, but, it helped that he had the junior sporting background of a variety of sports because for many ‘Rugby’ converts, it takes some time to become accustomed to the relative ‘freedom’ of movement,
to not necessarily always keeping yourself between your opponent and the goal you’re defending (this plays with peoples minds quite often)
that the tackler is not always coming at you from where you’d expect,
and that you are compelled to attempt disposal when tackled,
let alone the mechanics of the skills,
it’s all well and good to look okay for 10 mins, but, come the 20 minute mark of the last quarter as you head into ‘red time’ and the game’s on the line,…….like all sport, the ability to still function under fatique plus pressure……..
…..btw – the lack fo physical ‘brutality’ may be so, but, it’s no walk in the park. If anyone walks in expecting that, then they’re in for a reality check.
agreed though – the pushing and shoving is a bit silly……at least in the old days you could threaten the guy with a good clip behind the ears when the umpy wasn’t looking………it’s really more just nervous energy these days, a bit like an ‘unformed’ haka.
Jeb said | June 1st 2010 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
it’s something I was thinking of – could any afl player handle league. Probably not but Jonathan Brown comes to mind as a possibility.
Re Michael C’s comment re skills – agree 100%. However it’s easy to see that the skills required in other sports such as bball and assoc football take a lifetime of refinement to make it to top level. Pure athletes don’t succeed in these sports. As others have said all Izzy has to do to succeed in afl is have say one skill. I personally see Israel as one of those punchers like mal michael. that takes enormous skill.
slickwilly said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
remember in the late eighties geelong had a centre half back by the name of schulz – the guy had limited abilities but was excellent at nullifying the impact of his immediate opponent (invariably a key opposition forward)… if folau (and hunt) can tailor a game based around zone defense that enables them to provide secondary support/multiple efforts at the contest then they could well end having very successful long-term careers in game – it just wont be the glamorous careers that people like ablett and judd achieve
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Sheedy’s ‘lame dog’ style favourites of the past included Kevin Walsh and Mark Bolton. Not bursting with talent, but, were bursting with pride I guess!
slickwilly said | June 1st 2010 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
walsh was more than serviceable… perhaps redb would care to expand… multiple premiership centre half back
Redb said | June 1st 2010 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
Walsh was a pretty good at CHB until Dipper cleaned him up. Saw that again on ‘Open Mike’ last night.
Forgetmenot said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
whoops… looks like i have been misinterpreted again. By multiple skills i meant that their was a lot of skills in football, but not all of them are required to play. The great players have most of them, some players only a couple.
But to play at AFL level football you needed to have mastered at least one of them …
Gerry Faehrmann said | June 1st 2010 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
He’ll be back!
Gerry Faehrmann said | June 1st 2010 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
The Roar’s Moderator will be a busy little boy today!
AndrewMc said | June 1st 2010 @ 5:22am | Report comment
That is a lot of money on essentially a PR stunt
BigAl said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Some would call it a ‘PR stunt’ – others may call it a marketing coup ! – and they never come cheap.
kovana said | June 1st 2010 @ 5:43am | Report comment
What a complete waste of money by the AFL…,
This experiment will not work. AFL will Not benefit.. I feel sorry for the ‘real’ stars of AFL being shafted just to make way for this leaguie…
The only one benefiting will be izzy.. laughing his way all the way to the bank.
JamesP said | June 1st 2010 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Complete waste of money? As Michael said in his article it will have paid for iteself many times over before he even pulls on the boots.
The Greatest Game of All said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
It’s funny how a lot of you AFL fans seem to think Folau and Hunt have repaid the millions spent on them already – how so? And what about when they come crawling back to league with tails between legs rubbishing AFL just like Wendell and co did to union? Not only did the AFL just waste millions of dollars in the short term but Folau and Hunt will do them long term damage as well – union is still recovering from the millions it burnt on league players.
Billo Boy said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:00am | Report comment
The AFL have put all their GWS hopes into a player who has never been a big deal in Sydney football and who turned his back on NSW and its fans to play for the Maroons! Now he’s jumped to fumbleball. Good luck AFL if you think Izzy is the man to win over western Sydney.
Galloping Guru said | June 1st 2010 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Billo Boy said Now he’s jumped to fumbleball
I suppose they are honarary Victards now.
You really have issues dont you !!.
Ken said | June 1st 2010 @ 11:36am | Report comment
OK Billo Boy unnecessarily hit the code war button with his ‘fumbleball’ reference but I think he’s got a point under there. Even if we accept that throwing huge amounts of money at a league star is the best way to get the GWS AFL side noticed (already a dubious concept), is Israel Folau the right player?
While he has some things going for him, notably he’s a rep player who’s still young enough to make the switch work, and he’s great in the air, this isn’t really about playing ability. As a NSW born and bred player who represents QLD in SOO, he’s been considered a traitor in Sydney for years already. He’s then followed the money to Brisbane and has now followed it to AFL. If they are buying his reputation in Sydney, what’s it really worth?
Harvey the Scouser said | June 1st 2010 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Issy might show all the Southerners how its done, how to take clean possession of the footy in heavy traffic and use it, hit a target with either foot and either hand, we’ll all be watching with interest
David said | June 1st 2010 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Agreed Harvey. They keep talking about how he hasn’t played the game. Every kid has played kick chasey.
He will be fine.
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:19am | Report comment
I don’t know that we need a guy like this…..what with the baggage he’s carrying….I opened up theAge online today and there’s a headline “Israel kills boat protestors”………..
JK said | June 1st 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
LMAO!
AndyRoo said | June 1st 2010 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
One of the best lines ever.
Forgetmenot said | June 1st 2010 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
lol … love it.
The real Michael C though?
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
yeah – ’twas from home this morning over brekkie and I hadn’t both logging on properly…….
oikee said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:35am | Report comment
Great to see Issy earning good money in AFL. After all, this guy is a superstar, something that AFL is lacking.
We also have another few good talented players who would easily make the transition. Duffy at the Storm is a champion high jumper, and Idris is twice the monster Folou.
Not to mention the production line of talent i have witnessed coming through our under 20′s. The positive for code switching is that these players are super tough, no softies. Be ready to be thrilled.
I forgot to mention Greg Inglis, he would be awesome in AFL, not only the best athlete i have seen, he can also kick a ball.
berra boy said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:50am | Report comment
I’ve never seen Folou kick. Ever. Has anyone else? Good luck to GWS for a neat publicity stunt. Good luck to Izzy for taking the fools’ money!
Good luck to the Western Sydney juniors who could have had a piece of that pie
oikee said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:57am | Report comment
He wont have to kick, just fly over the backs and take some marks. You seen how high he gets without a leg-up, imagine how high he could fly with some poor sucker being used as a spring board.
I have to admit, he was made for AFL. His legs are like springs.
berra boy said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:59am | Report comment
yeah that’s right, I forgot. They changed the rules last night and you can now throw the ball through the goals once you take a speckie
Justin said | June 1st 2010 @ 6:55am | Report comment
June 1 or April 1
Galloping Guru said | June 1st 2010 @ 7:06am | Report comment
Aside from all the sniping from league supporters that we will get on this thread, i myself am in 2 minds,
Point 1, Micheal Voss and others see it as a insult, ludicrous wage for a untried player, money should have been spent on kids etc, i can see his point and actually agree with it.
Point 2, I came to this country, many a decades ago from Italy, a country were football is taken even more religiously than here in Victoria. I came down here looking at it as a neutral observer, couldn’t understand the rules and thought it was stupid game. None of it made sense and it appeared like everyone was running around like chickens. Then I one day I hear a man named Dipierdomenico mentioned by the commentators. It sparked my interest as it was the first Italian name I’d heard on the tely playing football. I guess it warmed me to football because I thought if a guy from my country could play and enjoy football why couldn’t I? Of course I was young and impressionable at the time and I doubt today I would think the same way.
I believe that young people will look at Falou in the northern states in the same way. Their not stupid and they will rationalise why a star of rugby has gone to the AFL. Their impressionable and curios, and there not filled with belief and dogma, and will definitely give it a chance. This is why the AFL is doing this, there is a massive long term benefit.http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=713936&page=11
i can see this point and actually agree with it as well.
The AFL combined with it’s new combined South Pacific team in the under 16 champs is really having a crack at attracting Polynesian talent.http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20100517212942399
By signing both Hunt and Israel, they are attempting to speed up the process.
But i am still in 2 minds about the whole thing.
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Agreed – I reckon most people are in 2 minds,……how much one way or the other will vary I guess.
The point 1 – - – the thing here is that GC17 has been offering G.Ablett Jnr more than Izzy – - and G.Ablett Jnr is keeping his cards very close to his chest. Depending upon other players approached…….
if current AFL players aren’t willing to change clubs for ‘money’,….then sure as heck don’t complain about someone willing to take such a big career gamble as Hunt and/or Folau who are going to in the main sit outside the salary cap – and so, not taking money from ‘regular players – and have a heavy ‘promotional’ value in NSW and QLD that will most likely assist the total pool via increasing interest and value propositions and participation for the future.
The real test comes in 3 years time with the follow up contract.
el gamba said | June 1st 2010 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Is it a gamble though Michael? $6m whether he can kick or not (or are there performance clauses in his contract?) sounds like a win to me!
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
whatever the figure – $4.2 mill or $3 mill or whatever it turns out to be,
I’d suggest the AFL have been reported to have conducted tests – and he was not unknown in AFL circles given his time at Storm.
I think to a degree we have to trust the folk at the AFL that they know what they are doing – - they’re generally reasonably astute on such matters.
The main gamble might be that niether player ruptures an ACL during the 2nd week of pre-season training!!
Michael C said | June 1st 2010 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
oh, okay – I see the reports now of Broncos’ suggesting nearer to $6million over 4 years……
…..crikey!!!!
4 years suggests he’s not planning on coming back real soon to Rugby (either code).
chris said | June 1st 2010 @ 7:08am | Report comment
Right League and Union merge now please.
Timmypig said | June 1st 2010 @ 7:15am | Report comment
???? sorry Chris, dumb it down for me will ya? Why?