Wilko’s omission is weird, baffling, bizarre
By South Ken, 18 Jun 2010 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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Those are just three of the words featured in various rugby media and used to describe Martin Johnson’s decision to keep Jonny Wilkinson on the bench for the second Test on Saturday.
It was widely thought that, after the English backs failed to perform in Perth, Jonno would move Flood to 12 and play Wilko at 10 for several reasons:
(a) Wilko’s been running the line well at Toulon
(b) he has a crisp pass, inside and out
(c) would leave Youngs to handle Genia while he crowded Cooper
(d) would kick extra high for his inside backs to chase
(e) would kick extra long for territory
(f) would add to his record haul of successful penalty kicks.
But by leaving him on the bench, and persisting with Flood at 10 and Hape at 11, Jonno seems determined to prove that his Perth selections were the right ones and that, this time, things will be different.
He’s getting a lot of argument from rugby scribes in England, but not from his loyal, faithful and enormous squad in Sydney.
The question is, is Jonno a utopian rather than a realist?
An informal poll this week – conducted by me and a bunch of Brit and Aussie mates – among English fans in various London pubs produced some kind of consensus re: Jonno’s game plan.
Naturally, it’s thought to be based on devastating the Wallaby frontrow again.
His plan, so the tragics reckon, is to kick deep into Australian territory, get down there, contain, contain, contain, wait for a White-feed scrum, and this time go for a pushover try.
And keep doing that.
When they do decide to run the ball, in the Red Zone, Flood cuts-out to Tindall who uses his new-found strength and aggression to make some yards then pops one to Foden flying through on the angle.
Equally puzzling to the assorted Brits and Kiwis, and not a few Aussies, is why Dingo is persisting with an out-of-their-depth frontrow that surely will have no role in the RWC.
The London Aussies all want to see Baxter and Dunning propping on Saturday to give some assurance of own-ball backline play.
As for those Aussie backs, one guy in a Quins jersey, quaffing a Sierra Nevada in the Drayton Arms, said something illuminating: “Our forwards will murder your lot, no question. What troubles me is that your backs are already terrific, and with Genia and Giteau playing, they just got better.”
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June 18th 2010 @ 9:12am
Who Needs Melon said | June 18th 2010 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Yeah the Wilko decision has everyone baffled. Is it a fox? Last minute substitution?
I’m all for sticking with this front row though. Back on the horse and all that.
June 18th 2010 @ 10:11am
jiggles said | June 18th 2010 @ 10:11am | Report comment
“quaffing a Sierra Nevada in the Drayton Arms, said something illuminating: “Our forwards will murder your lot, no question.”"
obviously that pommie fan isn’t aware that scrumming is only 1 component of forward play. Last week the english had nothing around the park or in the line outs, only in the scrum.
June 18th 2010 @ 7:13pm
sixo_clock said | June 18th 2010 @ 7:13pm | Report comment
Exactly, the scrum is merely a phase, potentially a drop dead boring phase if the Poms get their way. The other 70 odd minutes the rest of the team/country have nothing.
June 18th 2010 @ 10:39am
Colin N said | June 18th 2010 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Before the Six Nations everyone was calling for Wilkinson to be dropped. Eventually after much frustration, Flood is put in and performs very well against France. He then has an ok game versus Australia and everyone now wants Wilkinson back in.
Hypocrisy in its best (or worst) form.
June 18th 2010 @ 9:34pm
BennO said | June 18th 2010 @ 9:34pm | Report comment
I’m guessing those there might be different everyones in those two everyones Colin N.
June 19th 2010 @ 7:59am
Who Needs Melon said | June 19th 2010 @ 7:59am | Report comment
Yes I was referring to the sane ‘everyone’.
June 18th 2010 @ 10:40am
warrenexpatinnz said | June 18th 2010 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Looking forward to the game as there is so many areas that we all have opinions on how they will pan out. Isn’t it a relief to have an international where you could not back for 100% sure the winner and there is no $1.02 favorite.
I am all for the Wallaby front row having another crack and believe that their performance lift will be substantial, certainly not one to be dominating but to hold firm. The opinions I have read from all the posts, both Aussie, Irish and English have a vast majority of punters highlighting the lack of support from the rest of the Aussie pack, namely 4 + 5 for several of the issues for the front three.
Wallabies by ten.
As for the Welsh AB game I expect a 10-15 margin to the ABs and depending on how the Welsh front up at Carisbrook will see if they have the ticker to push the ABs closer, or the unthinkable in Hamilton.
June 18th 2010 @ 10:57am
TembaVJ said | June 18th 2010 @ 10:57am | Report comment
The Wallabies by 25, its not surprise Johnno is a bloody idiot and a useless coach.
He should have brought Wilco on with 20 mins to go in the last match and he should have started him in this one. How this man still has a job baffles me. Its fine he is going home with a big fat 0 from 3 and a DP of -50.
He still wont get fired and England will not see the semi’s in next years RWC.
Thank god for that as another yawn fest and ill top myself.
They should of snatched Jake White but no give it to Sir Johno who has never coached in his life.
June 18th 2010 @ 12:28pm
van der Merwe said | June 18th 2010 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
I don’t think Ashton deserved to be honourably discharged, in the first place.
June 19th 2010 @ 10:20am
Hayden said | June 19th 2010 @ 10:20am | Report comment
True, another example of Johnno’s ham fisted style destroying the confidence of a player who could be world class. Maybe melbourne should offer him a job. Any Pommie who wants to forge an international career should head south.
June 18th 2010 @ 10:36pm
Joh4Canberra said | June 18th 2010 @ 10:36pm | Report comment
If the RFU had any brains they would have made Dingo a much higher offer than the Aussies did.
June 18th 2010 @ 11:03am
Viscount Crouchback said | June 18th 2010 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Flood kicks farther from hand (and probably more accurately) than Wilkinson and carries more of a running threat. Wilkinson obviously bests Flood for composure, defence, goal-kicking and passing. Johnson is sticking with the younger man in the hope that he’ll grow into the role for the WC. Deans, interestingly, is making he same judgment call with regard to his front row. Two brave and correct decisions, imo, given that this ultimately is a glorified friendly.
June 18th 2010 @ 11:12am
TembaVJ said | June 18th 2010 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Yes VS but Deans is winning games and Johnson is looking like an idiot.
I don’t know who else is in the English backline but ill tell you what he has been rebuilding for a long time (an excuse if you ask me) and still the backline is useless. Its not the player stock that’s the problem. Its everyone from the coach up.
When will England be strong again?
If you want to test things out do it against minnows not the best in the world. Wilco has a history of pissing on the Aussie parade, he should of started in this match and Johnson had a choice, Deans won, so he can make mistakes as long as he is winning.
Brave risk from Johnson, calculated move by Deans.
June 18th 2010 @ 12:36pm
van der Merwe said | June 18th 2010 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Not that I disagree about Wilkinson, but Temba, how much did Deans indulge Giteau last year? Can his long persistence with Burgess be termed anything other than idiotic?
June 18th 2010 @ 1:38pm
TembaVJ said | June 18th 2010 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
Deans is working with a quarter of the player stock then that of Johnson, my point is that Martin has been out of his depth for a long time and its obvious that he is not fit for the job. They can hide behind the “rebuilding” excuse anymore. The have been getting progressively worse in the last couple of years.
The need a coach from the south to perk up their back play.
June 18th 2010 @ 5:00pm
IronAwe said | June 18th 2010 @ 5:00pm | Report comment
They have one, there backs/attack coach is an Aussie (Brian Smith) and things seem to be going down hill… Mind you Smith did a good job with London Irish, so maybe its something else.
June 18th 2010 @ 7:31pm
Mr Saunders said | June 18th 2010 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
Deans is winning games, Temba? Really?
Just look at the age of the English squad, and the average amount of caps… and then stop and think. If you had actually watched Wilkinson play over the past season then you wouldn’t have commented in the first place. Do you even watch English rugby?
June 18th 2010 @ 10:37pm
Justin said | June 18th 2010 @ 10:37pm | Report comment
No point watching English rugby if you want to watch Johnny
June 18th 2010 @ 10:49pm
Mr Saunders said | June 18th 2010 @ 10:49pm | Report comment
Very sharp.
June 18th 2010 @ 2:51pm
Gary Russell-Sharam said | June 18th 2010 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Let the poms keep Johnson, that way they will never be a threat at the world cup. As I have said before Johnson is like a lot of great players that just don’t make the cut as a coach. They just can’t tranfer the skill set that they have to others. It is a shame. Martin Johnson would be better as a commentator on the game he is an astute intelligent person with insight into the game that others wish they had but unfortunately it looks like he can’t coach. Shades of the great Wally Lewis in league.
I probably think that Wilkinson should start and be in the team at 10 or 12 keep Flood there and drop the ex leaguee. And I ask you how old is Tindall (40+)?????. He seems to have been there forever. I realise that in the UK players don’t mature into good rugby players until they are older (something to do with the cold weather slowing down the metabolism do you think) but some of these blokes are nearly eligible for the aged pension, they would want to do something really quick on selecting some more youthful players as the world cup is just around the corner. I agree with Deans sticking with the young brigade Big Al and Dunners are yesterdays men (great players but yesterdays) however I don’t agree with starting Ma’afu, he was the problem and he just can’t hack the pain, you can see him buckle and stand up to get away from the pressure. Daly was mighty on the other side and held as long as he could before the rest of the scrum collapsed. Why not drop Slipper into the ocean to see if he can swim, he didn’t do too bad when he came on????
June 18th 2010 @ 3:54pm
jacko said | June 18th 2010 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
indeed. a great player does not a coach make….
June 18th 2010 @ 4:14pm
Hoy said | June 18th 2010 @ 4:14pm | Report comment
I think true, but I also think most probably don’t make good coachs because they come into it too early. Let’s be honest, Johnson was playing with some of these blokes he is now coaching. There is a big difference in how you treat players, and how they should treat you as coach, and coming from playing with some of them, they might not have the right attitude for Johnson to effectively coach them.
If he went away and coached a club side somewhere with no affiliation, or was an assistant coach and did his apprenticeship first, then it would be different. If he came back as a coach in about another 5 years, after keeping his nose in the game for that long, big difference. There would be a whole new crop of players, and he would have the respect etc needed. As it is, players are possibly too familiar with him.
June 18th 2010 @ 7:46pm
pothale said | June 18th 2010 @ 7:46pm | Report comment
I think Flood should be given his head. Besides – it has the Aussies thinking twice – that counts for something.
If the intention is put pressure on Flood, then I don’t think it’ll amount to much.
I suspect that Flood may surprise a lot of people on Saturday.
June 18th 2010 @ 7:49pm
ohtani's jacket said | June 18th 2010 @ 7:49pm | Report comment
Yeah, let’s all write off England at the World Cup. That’s really clever.