Experience or youth: which is best approach?
By Sam Taulelei, 25 Jun 2010 Sam Taulelei is a Roar Guru
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The current All Blacks are on track to becoming the most capped All Black side in history, if the majority of the starting team this Saturday are selected for next year’s World Cup squad.
Compare the Test caps of the starting forward pack this weekend against Wales to that of the starting forward pack in the quarterfinal against France in 2007.
All Blacks v Wales, 2nd test 2010 All Blacks v France, RWC quarterfinal 2007
Kieran Read (24) 18 tests Rodney So’oialo (28) 41 tests
Richie McCaw (29) 82 tests Richie McCaw (26) 59 tests
Jerome Kaino (27) 26 tests Jerry Collins (27) 48 tests
Brad Thorn (35) 39 tests Ali Williams (26) 47 tests
Tom Donnelly (28) 6 tests Chris Jack (28) 67 tests
Neemia Tialata (27) 42 tests Carl Hayman (27) 45 tests
Keven Mealamu (31) 73 tests Anton Oliver (31) 59 tests
Tony Woodcock (29) 62 tests Tony Woodcock (26) 37 tests
Total caps 531 Total caps 403
Obviously, the higher number of caps in 2010 is greatly influenced by the contributions of McCaw, Mealamu and Woodcock, whereas in 2007, the spread of Test caps was more evenly distributed.
However, it was noticeable in New Zealand’s first test against Wales the influence and leadership exhibited by the All Blacks senior players in supporting their captain and leading by example, especially in the second half.
The return from injury of other experienced players like Ali Williams and Andrew Hore and probable return of Daniel Braid will also boost the overall number of Test caps and experience in the pack.
With injury forced changes to the All Black backline this week, it would be one of the least experienced selections, especially if Muliaina wasn’t selected.
However, if the starting backline that played the final Test last year against France is selected for next year’s World Cup then it’s a similar story to the forwards.
All Blacks v France, Marseilles 2009 All Blacks v Wales, 2nd Test 2010
Jimmy Cowan (28) 34 tests Jimmy Cowan (28) 36 tests
Daniel Carter (28) 67 tests Daniel Carter (28) 69 tests
Ma’a Nonu (28) 46 tests Benson Stanley (25) 2 tests
Conrad Smith (28) 33 tests Richard Kahui (25) 9 tests
Sitiveni Sivivatu (28) 43 tests Zac Guildford (21) 3 tests
Cory Jane (27) 13 tests Cory Jane (27) 15 tests
Mils Muliaina (29) 82 tests Mils Muliaina (29) 82 tests
Total caps 318 Total caps 216
Henry stated in an interview this week with the Kiwi media that he is deliberately developing a more mature side in terms of Test experience, saying: “I think you have to have a nucleus of experience in the team, you pick the best players but usually that correlates to age.”
This is in stark contrast to the youth policy pursued by Robbie Deans with the Wallabies.
When you compare the makeup of the All Blacks, Springboks and Wallabies squads, it’s evident that of the three, Australia has the least Test experience amongst its ranks.
The loss of Stirling Mortlock and George Smith has removed a large portion of Test caps from the Wallaby squad, and Nathan Sharpe, who with 82 tests is four shy of becoming the most capped lock in Wallaby history, represents over half the number of Test caps in the current pack.
While players like Wycliff Palu, Benn Robinson, Ben Alexander, Stephen Moore, Tatafu Polota-Nau, and James Horwill are also missing from the forward pack as a group, those players are still underdone comparatively in Test experience when compared to their Springbok and All Black counterparts.
The difference is more pronounced when you compare the number of Test caps in the current Wallabies backline to their SANZAR counterparts and the captaincy experience of McCaw, Smit and Elsom.
McCaw, for example, has captained New Zealand in more than half the number of Tests he’s played in his career and has now equalled the record with Sean Fitzpatrick of most wins as All Blacks captain with 39 of 45.
When playing against teams of lesser ability, that lack of experience isn’t a big issue and is glossed over by comfortable victories that don’t really test player’s mettle and skill under pressure.
When you get into a dogfight and you don’t have the same time and space to operate in, you’re not getting the bounce of the ball or the rub of the green from referees, it’s those experienced players you look towards to lead the fight out of a tight situation.
Over the past week Roarers have been calling for the dropping of several Wallaby players for others, some of whom have also yet to play for their country.
This, more than anything, demonstrates the problem Australia faces when they suffer injuries to their topline players and the gap between them and their next best rivals is substantial.
Deans is sticking to his guns in looking towards the future so there has been no SOS call to experienced front rowers like Al Baxter, Matt Dunning and Adam Freier to shore up their depleted front row ranks.
The message is clear to those players: your time in the Wallaby jersey has passed and we’re moving forward not looking backwards.
There is no quick fix to replacing experience or in gaining it. The only counter for a lack of experience is quality and ability.
Who do you think will get it right?
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June 25th 2010 @ 9:16am
Rusty said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Good article Sam – although you might want to run the forwards numbers through the calc again…. unless you are adding fxitures to next years world cup?
If it came down to the answer I would say you need both experience and youth. Probably more of the former and definitely in the forwards for those moments under pressure. Youth brings spark and exhuberance which are valuable assets to any team to fire up the grizzled veterans and provide fleet of foot.
Its because of this mix I am also quietly confident of my team the Boks who are busting at the seams in terms of experience. Im not going to compare them to the ’07 winners because in essence the core is the same with some up and comers. Suffice to say if the same group of players hit the RWC providing there is no major set of injuries it will probably be the most capped Bok team of all time.
Forwards
1. Steenkamp (not available) – van de Linde – 60 caps
2. Smit – 95 caps – 69 as captain/ du Plessis 32 caps
3. Botha – 21 caps/ du Plessis 15 caps
4. Botha – 66 Caps / Rossouw 52 caps
5. Matfield – 95 Caps / Bekker – 21 caps
6. Burger – 56 caps / Potgieter – 4 caps
7. Smith – 62 caps / Louw- 3 caps
8. Spies 30 caps / Kanko – 13 caps
So if we roll out the stock grizzled pack as of today its a whopping 485 caps with some of the backup not exactly callow either.
Things do get a bit thinner in the backs – with Percy’s void still yet to be filled and JPs spot on the right flank not being taken. However there is still a good line of experience even discounting the up in air use of Frans Steyn and Butch James
9. du Preez – 55 caps /Januaire 43 caps
10. Steyn – 14 caps / Pienaar – 39 caps
11. Habana – 59 caps
12. de Villers – 57 caps / Olivier 28 caps
13. Fourie – 56 caps / de Jongh 3 caps
14. Aplon – 3 caps
15. Kirchner – 7 caps
Current backline then is around 251 caps. This takes the overall total of the potential starting lineup to 736 caps – an average of 49 caps.
June 25th 2010 @ 4:30pm
Nathan said | June 25th 2010 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
Reminds me of the story of Goldilocks and the 3 Bears.
Once upon a time, there was a little girl named Goldilocks. She went for a walk in the forest. Pretty soon, she came upon a house. She knocked and, when no one answered, she walked right in.
At the table in the kitchen, there were 3 bowls of porridge and Goldilocks was hungry.
She tasted the porridge from the first bowl…”this porridge is too hot (ie too inexperienced)” she exclaimed, so she tasted the porridge from the second bowl…”this porridge is too cold (ie too old)” she said, so finally she tasted the last bowl of porridge… “ahhh, this porridge is just right (ie right mix of youth and experience) ” she said happily and she ate it all up.
The moral of the story…get the mix right and you will go a long way to winning the WC.
June 25th 2010 @ 7:32pm
johno said | June 25th 2010 @ 7:32pm | Report comment
Dad’s Army got it right and they were without exception exceptionally experienced amongst the forwards to be politically correct.
Amongst the backs they had one guy who didn’t have to break records to surpass his age with points scored per match.
June 30th 2010 @ 10:48am
Mr Saunders said | June 30th 2010 @ 10:48am | Report comment
‘Amongst the backs they had one guy who didn’t have to break records to surpass his age with points scored per match.’
I may just be having a stupid moment, johno, but I don’t follow?
Incidentally, I’d be intrigued to see if anybody could dig out the amount of caps the England pack had in the 2003 WC final.