What legacy has Pim Verbeek left us?
By Mike Tuckerman, 25 Jun 2010 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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As the dust settles on Australia’s valiant performance in Nelspruit, speculation has turned to who might replace Pim Verbeek at the helm of the Socceroos.
A couple of names have already been bandied about, but we should also question just what sort of legacy Verbeek has left us from his time in charge.
One answer surely concluded yesterday was that whoever replaces Verbeek should be willing to embrace Australia’s natural attacking instincts.
What a difference it made to see Verbeek sacrifice a superfluous defensive midfielder for a more attacking one just after the hour mark, and it’s a shame that was left to the final half hour of the tournament for Australia to finally unlock the shackles.
Granted, things looked to be going smoothly against Ghana in Rustenburg until Harry Kewell’s unfortunate dismissal, but surely there’s a case for Australia’s next coach to adapt a more flexible approach in future, rather than try to enforce a rigidly defensive game plan on players who appear to flourish in a more attacking environment.
Yet, despite his flaws, Verbeek should at least be some credit for the positives to have come out of the campaign.
His decision to stand by the much-maligned Brett Holman in the face of concerted criticism turned out to be a masterstroke, and there was some small irony in the fact that it was Holman’s incessant running which took him into position to score against both Ghana and Serbia.
Holman may yet go on to prove a key figure for the Socceroos, and Carl Valeri is another who comes out of the tournament with his reputation enhanced – so much so that questions must surely be asked of the playing future of the once pivotal Vince Grella in a green-and-gold jersey.
And let’s not forget that despite his obvious disdain for the A-League, Verbeek still managed to steer a squad of mostly A-League players to the 2011 AFC Asian Cup finals in Qatar – where squad regeneration is a must.
However, his oft-repeated claim that “training in Europe is better than playing in the A-League” has been made to look foolish by Ricki Herbert and his resolute New Zealand outfit, with the All Whites stunning world football by recording three successive draws.
Indeed, New Zealand played in Group F as Australia should have played against Germany in their opening game – with respect, but not fear – and with a game plan that was designed to leave nothing on the pitch.
Following a qualifying campaign based almost entirely on defensive football, perhaps it was too much to ask for Verbeek to change his stripes going into the most important match of his career.
But the manner of Australia’s capitulation at the hands of a young German side was the final straw for his many detractors, and the Dutchman was on the end of a brutal excoriation from both media and fans alike following that disastrous opening display.
So what kind of legacy has Pim Verbeek ultimately left us?
He certainly hasn’t furnished the squad with multitudes of young talent, although the likes of Nikita Rukavytsya, James Holland and Tommy Oar obviously have cause to hope that they will feature prominently down the line.
One could argue that the win over Serbia helped to restore some confidence within the squad, however the players themselves were largely responsible for that.
Ultimately, Verbeek’s reign has left us with few tangible results to speak of.
He relied heavily on most of the same personnel who excelled in 2006 – all of whom are now four years older, and most of whom are on the verge of retirement.
And he denigrated the A-League and made it harder to convince sceptics that Australia’s domestic league is a competition worth taking seriously, where young players are afforded a pathway to the national team.
Sadly, Verbeek leaves us having established no discernible legacy at all.
And that unfortunate fact must come into the reckoning when Football Federation Australia determines the next Socceroos coach.
Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he has settled in Brisbane and has been a Roar columnist since December 2008. Follow Mike on twitter @Mike_Tuckerman
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June 25th 2010 @ 8:10am
tony yeboah said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:10am | Report comment
However, his oft-repeated claim that “training in Europe is better than playing in the A-League” has been made to look foolish by Ricki Herbert and his resolute New Zealand outfit, with the All Whites stunning world football by recording three successive draws.
How has this statement proved to look foolish? New Zealand overperformed, yes, have a fantastic manager and for them, three draws was a fantastic result. But realistically look at there starting line-up, all three defenders, Smith, Reid and Nelson, play in Europe, Paston i know doesn’t, but a solid defence and a lot of luck was the main reason for their results. If they had more players playing in Europe, maybe they would have gone further. If they had have qualified for the second round beating one of the teams in their group, maybe this statement would be true. Verbeek’s original comment was stupid, but it was not incorrect. Just look at how the Sydney FC boys suffered and then prospered under Lavicka when they were forced to train at a European level.
Also, i would disagree that Verbeek left no legacy with the youth. Rhys Williams and Shane Lowry are now playing for Australia when they could have played elsewhere. Fact is that so many of our youth have fallen of the radar, Burns, Djite etc. that he had no other option.
Verbeek’s legacy may not be a great one, he has failed in many areas. But maybe in hindsight in years to come, he may be seen in a slightly better light.
Cheers
June 25th 2010 @ 8:33am
Roger Rational said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Agreed – one could equally claim that Tommy Smith and Chris Wood have proved that League One and the Championship is adequate preparation for international football. But we all know it’s not.
June 25th 2010 @ 8:28am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:28am | Report comment
Talk about psyching ourselves out for that first game. Lucas Neill surrenders any psychological toehold in that game with “that” dejected concession. But those of us who have been suspect on Verbeek for a while now, have sensed the erosion of confidence for a long time now, perhaps since Kumning.
Until then, we were playing two up front and bagging goals in for fun. We had a honeymoon with Verbeek with some great play and results in early home games. A much-needed repose from the FFA and Arnold inspired Asian bungle.
But since Kunming it was all second-guessing and playing well under our potential. The lads undersold themselves for the last 24 months, I felt. With Iraq putting the frighteners through us (no shame in that, they were actually a very good team) in the qualifiers, we never put that challenge into proper perspective and appreciated it.
Verbeek went into survival mode and used up all our luck just to make it into the Cup. A fair bit of player development but it rarely translated into Coach confidence, invariably he stuck to his single striker formation, and wasted a lot of time forcing players to adapt into his style of game and play. He leant back on Guus’ stars if 2006 to carry the team.
When they repeatedly could not adapt he finally axed them. MacDonald and Carle notably fell short (no pun intended). He eventually culled at least 5 defenders that probably thought they were in for a shot for a call up and then included players that were out of form, long in the tooth, with very little game time and hamstrung with injuries.
Any inspired results and performances for this Cup were left on the cutting room floor months, if not years ago.
The legacy is to live for the next Cup. No one player or Coach is bigger than the goal of playing great football and getting great results. We have to believe that getting there is not the goal. The goal is to win it…. or “die” trying.
Why make the numbers? It ruins the Cup as a spectacle, and any boon of making a mediocre Cup is not worth the effort and expense of being there.
If we merely just do enough to make it…Australians will soon treat Australia’s participation in the Cup much like they already do with the Asian Cup.
However, if we add beauty and guts to these occasions, and hence to the qualifiers, than I suspect Australian’s will continue to respect these tournaments, this code and our achievements.
June 25th 2010 @ 9:15am
whiskeymac said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:15am | Report comment
yes, bashing the HAL and playing defensive dour football is on the one hand a poor legacy and on the othe hand we did better than france and italy and cameroon and some other more fancied nations at the WC. we got 4 points, we ended positively and beat a decent team on the way out when they had everything to play for.
was the hAl much cop in the begining? not really but it was his duty to promote the game i think that was incumbent upon his position. however too expect a dutchman to prefer diplomacy to speaking his mind was abit optimisitic. and didnt his comments spur on some players and rally the media to avoid complacency? in the long term maybe it was the slap in the face we needed – the HAL now is much improved (and i am looking fwd to the kick off).
or maybe is it that Pim didn’t bring more youngsters through – but who i wonder was he supposed to pluck from obscutiry and replace viduka or kewell with? he did look at Jedinak, Beauchamp, Oar, Lowry, Zullo, Valeri, Kisnorbo and Macca and from memory tried a few HAl teams and overseas players like Stefanutto, Carle etc. Was he wrong in his assessment that they weren’t to the same standard as the regulars who – lets be honest – were a good chance of geting us through when the s**t hit the fan – cahill has saved us how many times (dont mention the germans). there just aren’t that many top grade players in the 24-28 age group – maybe as a consequence of the NSL dying and HAL being born or just coz, say between 98-06, we relied upon players like Viduka, Bozza/Shwarzer and Kewell so much (to name the most obvious but by no means the only star players from 06) and there was just no one that good coming through? Pim probably wasnt the best to develop them further – ironic considering his new post with Morrocco – but to his track record in getting guys through his squads wasnt that bad, was it?
i wholly agree that his one system fits all was at times short sighted and he didnt always adapt to fit our players properly into a system to utilise their talents. but to be honest the only time he truly was awful was the German game and for that tactical blundering and team sleection he has been rightfully pilliored. for a results coach, this was a disaster, but i wld argue, over the whole time frame he did OK. as Lowry said he left the game no better an noowrse than when he inherited it (which i asume means from GA and nt Guus’s short tenure of one win at the WC).
his job was results. I think there’s a strong argument to say that , for thegame, we needed to continue building the teams sucess and to do that we needed to qualify for asia (which after the Indo-Kuwait game wasn’t certain) and the WC. by doing so the FFA has built upon Guus’s inspired brand name (which tbh was predominatley a Farina team wasnt it minus wilkshire?) and although it is suggested the last 2 WC games weren’t Pims doing, the fact is they are part of his legacy/ history, and the game “today” is restored with a positive vibe and pride.
if you judge him on results he was a success, if you judge him on development of the game he was OK, if you blame him for the HAL and negative media at times i think you shld be looking at the FFA and not the coach of the senior team.
June 25th 2010 @ 9:35am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Pretty reasonable Whiskey. Your last paragraph though is folly. Judge him on results he was a success? If you are referring to “Getting us to the Cup” Sure he was a success. A pragmatic and shrewd short term success. But he and we were found out by the Cup’s testing. Cahil got the red card he’s been courting for months, Verbeek finally got the shellacking he deserved and the goals were found wanting when they were needed the most…against Ghana.
That was a par for the course, under Verbeek. I can accept that it happened. I just want some objectivity. Verbeek blooded alot, but he did not settle them in. Unlike Holman. The ONLY exception.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:00am
whiskeymac said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:00am | Report comment
last parra a folly? maybe – a bridge too far so to speak. that too (a bridge too far) was also a dutch para disaster…. (a bit weak maybe trying to tie it all up (paras, dutch, folly and losin’ to germans) =)
June 25th 2010 @ 10:04am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Still missing some sleep are we?
June 25th 2010 @ 10:11am
whiskeymac said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:11am | Report comment
always – despite my training going into the cup with two teething infants.
but he was found out badly in one game at the WC and did well in the other two. we got 4 points in a tough group (better than many others) – i am looking fwd to a new coach as much as anyone but all things considered am maybe a bit more positive about Pim – without going so far enough to say i was a supporter of his. you say yourself he was a success on the measure of qualification – i just think I can extend that successful measure by thinking that getting 4 points at the WC is a good outcome, if not the one we all wanted the biggest blight imo was the obvious germany game where he was badly exposed. the question i guess being was that a one off choke/ blunder (maybe)? if stories come out that the senior boys were responsible for ghana and serbia results ten mabe, otherwise the buck stops with Pim first and foremost?
June 25th 2010 @ 8:49am
Hutchoman said | June 25th 2010 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Verbeek has done exactly what he was employed to do, namely qualify for the Asian Cup using the “B team”, get us into the World Cup with a minimum of fuss and post a credible result whilst there. Ultimately the results of 2010 are the same as 2006, except this time other results didn’t go our way.
We can talk about all the “might have beens” until we are blue in the face. Ultimately, Australia has finished the World Cup in the range our true ranking … somewhere around 17 – 24 in the world based on finishing third in the group. Is there anyone who would realistically say we are significantly higher than that?
It would always be nice for results and decisions to go our way and especially with the way the draw has panned out in the section we would have been in … one of Uruguay, South Korea, USA or Ghana (could have been us) guaranteed a semi-final spot … but we also need to look at ourselves. In the pivotal Ghana match we certainly had the opportunities to win even with only 10 men. The Wilkshire/Kennedy failed attempt to score late in the game have shown up the problem we have always had, namely a lack of efficiency in goal scoring opportunities. Either of those guys should have scored in that position (and the best teams in the world would have) and that would have seen us into the final 16 in a section we would have been confident of getting beyond.
Ultimately, while we have the potential to regularly get to the top 16 in the World Cup, until we become ruthless in front of goal we will not move to the next level.
Overall a good effort from the boys and well played. We played to our ability and achieved a credible result indicating that we truly deserve to be in the World Cup finals, rather than perennial bridesmaids via the Oceania flip a coin route. Are our guys world beaters? No. But are they a credible force in world football with potential to be more than making up the numbers? Absolutely!
June 25th 2010 @ 9:05am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
With the FFA’s and Verbeek’s approach I agree with you thoroughly, definitely not world beaters. And if it is Le Guen to take charge, it looks maybe like the legacy is to maintain your pessimistic projection of any Socceroo’s future accomplishments.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:29am
JR said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:29am | Report comment
I agree. IN this current phase, the identity of the coach is actually a bit of a distraction. Our BIG challenge is improving the quality of our players, particularly the ability to move and control the ball at high tempo.
June 25th 2010 @ 9:27am
whiskeymac said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Frank Lowy however has been more upbeat, i suppose unsurprisingly considering his positiona nd investment in the game, in developing the next generation of players. i think that, unlike what Pim had to do, the next coach really will have a job description of getting new talent ready for 2014 and will use the Asain Cup and Olympics to identify new talent.
some from the HAl (Kantarovksi etc) some o/seas (Davidson, Mooy)
it’s not all bad:
i think we can build around a core of cahill, valeri, beauchamp, williams, lowy, carney? there are stillsome good options like Macca, Kenenedy, Burns, Spiranovic, Federici, Kisnorbo, Kilkenny etc and some others who can help out like Kewell, Shwarzer etc
with Japan and korea going from strength to strength we have a big struggle to maintai parity let alone top ranking in the region. IMO this is good for the game.
June 25th 2010 @ 9:29am
JB said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:29am | Report comment
I agree with Mike.
In Pims defence, he certainly isn’t charismatic to the extent of Hiddink and never was able to endear himself to the public (and “more” importantly the press).
After all the buildup in previous years, the team, mental preparedness and structure for the German game was undeniably a disaster and it will be hard not to remember this cup because of it. But lets not forget we got the same pool points as in 2006. The late miss against Ghana is probably the critical moment rather than the sendings off. We really should have has six points.
I know it sounds cliched but in every sport Australia’s approach is normally to have a go. It grates our psyche to play negatively as had been the policy up until late in the Serbia game. Serbia were one of the better performed qualifiers so that result is fantastic – and shows the benefit of the old adage attack is the best form of defence.
Results were generally good during his tenure, with a few late rallies and “get out of gaol / jail” cards used – but against many of the opposition faced that wasn’t a significant achievement.
Has he left a legacy? He certainly stuck (probably too much) to the class of 2006. But his job description really was the 2010 World Cup, not 2014 and 2018. I think we underperformed this time so he can’t be given a pass for that. The next incumbent will have the job of developing for next time.
But as mentioned earlier, Holman and the other younger guys show there is light at the end of the tunnel and credit to Pim for using them albeit less than was probably required.
Well done to the Kiwis – yes they have euro based players but they had enough ALeague to show this comp has merit.
Enjoy the rest of the cup everyone
June 25th 2010 @ 9:39am
agga78 said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Nothing
June 25th 2010 @ 9:43am
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Did anyone watch the latest Foster rampage against Verbeek last night regarding some disparaging remarks he made to the Dutch press after the Germany loss? I was not aware of this, does anyone know what Verbeek said exactly?
June 25th 2010 @ 9:49am
Mega said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Adrian discussed it in his article.
June 25th 2010 @ 9:56am
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 9:56am | Report comment
http://www.theage.com.au/world-cup-2010/world-cup-news/bench-shows-were-out-of-our-depth-against-big-guns-pim-20100619-yn4f.html
Basicaly was a bit derogatary about Ruka’s club situation which is poor form because Ruka was Pim’s choice. he could have had Macdonald on the Bench.
Then in regards to Moore that was the press pursuing the line of questioning about Moore’s lack of club. I don’t have a problem with how Pim answered that one.
He then admits he should have brought on a striker earlier but that it’s difficult to change formation int he middle of a half so he waited until half time.
The Ruka comments are way out of line but he was being led by the press i.e. are you jealous of the persoanl available to Low.
The way Foster portrayed it was Pim saying he should have the german job which is not true. A friend of mine has a Dutch brother in law and says Dutch honesty is normally something that makes you want to punch them in the face.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:08am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:08am | Report comment
It’s hardly surprising that Pim having issues about changing midway through a half of football would be our downfall. At least he had the Dutch candor on hand to admit his mistake. And it’s a fair admission. Now maybe all the Pim defenders out there can swallow some pride and accept that Pim hamstrung our World Cup performance?
June 25th 2010 @ 10:13am
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Cheers for the link. If that’s what got Foster so animated and enraged then he really needs to take a hard look at himself. I didn’t see anything in what Verbeek said that could be equated with “putting down Australian football” or it being “unforgivable and unforgettable” and “a black mark”. I don’t agree with what Verbeek said, ultimately he picked the player however the way Foster went off was ridiculously disproportionate to what was said.
June 25th 2010 @ 12:12pm
dasilva said | June 25th 2010 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
I’m sorry but I agree with Foster and that was a disgrace
It’s shocking sport psychology to start putting your team down.
Basically what happen was that after that 4-0 defeat. Pim’s reputation as a coach was down the gutter to the Dutch public. Basically it was him trying to protect his own reputation by saying his players aren’t good enough to the Dutch newspaper.
It was a pretty self-serving comment.You are a suppose to get behind your players not put them down.
I don’t buy this cultural differences. Show me a dutch manager whose teams get flogged and they start making excuses that their players aren’t good enough.
It’s similar with the A-league. I honesty think he was manipulating the media. Continually feeding the line that the A-league wasn’t good enough (you know Pim that’s not a good way to motivate your players when you are coaching them) so that when his team finally lost against Kuwait. Everyone let him off the hook and instead of the media blaming Pim for the defeat, people were talking about the standard of the A-league.
June 25th 2010 @ 4:10pm
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
Les had a fair crack aswell, “team governers who didn’t believe in the team they were governing were now immaterial and embarrased sideline spectators”, that’s pretty harsh.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:14am
Greg said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
I think SBS need a broom thru their Football Dept. They are an embarrassment to the game.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:41am
JF said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:41am | Report comment
I can’t believe the Australian Soccer community have put up with it for so long. Foz plays into the hands of every soccer hater in the country, he plays the role of the irrational, fundamentalist soccer zealot – he reinforces the negative stereotype that is held by many Australians of soccer supporters. Demetriou and Gallop would be wishing Foster a long and productive tenure as SBS’ chief football analyst.
June 25th 2010 @ 11:01am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Craig Johnstone may have a more balancing effect on Foz. Let’s hope so.
June 25th 2010 @ 11:41am
AndyRoo said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:41am | Report comment
I very strongly agree with Greg.
They do some good Tyler, Dempsey, Zelic and Franny have done a fine job but what grates most about Foster is he’s given a free run of the program.
People like Gould in the NRL also annoy me but channel nine at least keep him on a bit of a leesh. Murray just encourages Foz, their too similar with their views which is a big problem considering how out their they are.
They are ruining the World Cup show which leads into the games and it’s very painful to watch, hopefully it improves now Australia are out but I bet we still get a lot of cringeworthy moments. I love football and the World Cup show comes straight after Cup Fever (which I never miss) but once the world cup show comes on I often turn off the TV.
The back drops for Dempsey in the Sydney studio are of really poor quality and it looks unprofessional.
June 25th 2010 @ 4:12pm
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
Murray gave Pim an absolutely massive lash all by himself with his Churchillian like speech last night aswell.
June 25th 2010 @ 5:49pm
Joe FC said | June 25th 2010 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
I tend to agree Andy, Foster is using SBS as a soap box. Al, Murray’s comment’s last night were either Churchillian or vaudeville, I’m still not sure which.
June 25th 2010 @ 6:02pm
dasilva said | June 25th 2010 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
If you treat Craig Foster as an entertainer rather then a proper pundit. Then he is fine.
I do find his rants somewhat amusing to watch and I do look forward to TWG show just to see if he has anything more controversial to say.
June 26th 2010 @ 5:11am
Tom said | June 26th 2010 @ 5:11am | Report comment
Oh yes. Yes yes yes.
Double, triple, quadruple agree.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:17am
Greg said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Taking up the headline, Pim’s legacy is that after our achievements in 2006, it is “steady as she goes”. There is no way we have gone backwards under his management, we have qualified for WC 2010 & Asian Cup 2011, performed creditably in a tough Group D, played exciting footy against Ghana (with 10 men), beaten Serbia (we beat only Japan in 2006), so job well done Pim & the team.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:23am
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Looking at it results wise, Pim is the most successful coach in Australian history, we have won more games than anyone else with him. I’m not saying that he was the right manager and he is to blame for our early exit, however I don’t think history will judge him as harshly as what most are now.
June 25th 2010 @ 11:03am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Frank Lowy says we neither went forwards nor backwards since ’06. I wonder if the boss of FFA is satisfied with this. I wonder if he feels good decisions were made? Interesting.
June 25th 2010 @ 11:17am
Al said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:17am | Report comment
I suspect that one of the main reasons that the FFA went with Verbeek was because of his knowledge of Asian football having worked with South Korea. Coming into our first Asian qualification campaign, we can’t fault the FFA on the appointment of Verbeek based on that criteria, qualifying through Asia was a complete unknown so to hire someone who has gone through that process before made some sense. Now however, we need to select the right man for the long haul, not just someone to get us through Asian qualification again.
June 25th 2010 @ 10:50am
Realfootball said | June 25th 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
How can anyone say we haven’t gone backwards under his management? He was an unsuccessful coach in the J League. He was fired by Sth Korea. He damaged the A League needlessly. He denigrated his players in public, to the press. He said one thing and did another on criteria for player selection (on having to be playing for your club). He oversaw a significant reduction of NT match attendances thanks to the relentlessly dull, unimaginative, negative football he forced on our national team. He damaged the Socceroos brand in this country and on the most public stage of all reduced our proud Roos to ashes – it is thanks to our players, not Verbeek, that the team has recovered its national respect in the last 2 games.
But he’s gone, and to the level where he belongs: a youth team on the edge of the Sahara. The world did not come calling for Pim Verbeek.
This will be the last time I ever write the word “Verbeek”. It feels very, very good.
June 25th 2010 @ 11:08am
The Bear said | June 25th 2010 @ 11:08am | Report comment
I’m dispensing with it, too. I only hope that Boultbee could also be a name such as his. FFA need to start believing in our future and get hungry again. We don’t need a Groundhog Day.