Gasnier returns, but with unanswered questions
By Brett McKay, 6 Jul 2010 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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Kogarah Jubilee Oval’s prodigal son returned to top level rugby league last night, as Mark Gasnier made a solid if unspectacular return in the Red V in the Dragons’ 12-8 loss to Penrith.
The NRL’s own website could barely hide its excitement in the lead up, declaring, “Gaz is back! Yep, after 661 days in the rugby union wilderness, Mark Gasnier returns to the NRL…”
Though named on the bench in the less-than-familiar No.20, there was plenty of suggestion floating around over the weekend that Gasnier would slot straight back into the starting side. The loss of Kiwi back rower Jeremy Smith from the Dragons side did little to quell the speculation.
In the end, he didn’t start, but the 54 minutes he did play would have been more than first anticipated. He showed some glimpses of his old league-playing self too, managing a few offloads and a line break for the outing.
There were no obvious signs of trying to lay the ball back for the arriving ruck cleaner-outerers, but I do think I saw him mouth “pour les sakes de f…” as he dropped a pass in the Dragons last minute final attacking raid. As they say in the classics, he’ll be better for the run.
Of course it’s history now that Gasnier spent the past 18 months in France, playing two seasons of rugby in the borderline garish, but always bright, pink jerseys of Stade Francais in Paris.
With Stade, he linked with former NSW and current Queensland Reds coach Ewan McKenzie, who tried unsuccessfully to bring Gasnier across to rugby while coaching the Waratahs.
And he did pretty well in rugby, too. Though never really cementing himself in one position, often being switched between wing and inside or outside centre, “Marc” Gasnier (as he was referred) still maintained his ability to find the try line.
Obviously, Gasnier impressed the right people at Stade too, because as recently as April he was still very much on their wanted list. Stade CEO Mathias Poursine told the Sydney Morning Herald at the time, that despite not nailing down one particular position, Gasnier was set to become a game-breaker in rugby, and that his club would do all it could to keep Gasnier in Paris.
”I am sure he has not yet arrived at his best level in playing rugby union. He can really improve. He is one of the players in the world who, to me, is an X-factor player – a player who has in his hands the possibility to change something in the game. And only a few players have this,” Poursine said in April.
However, Poursine could also see the lure of heading home, too, ”I can feel that he misses the country,” he said later in the same article.
And the lure has been as strong as it has been persistent. Mentioned as a potential recruit almost twelve months ago when the Melbourne Rebels gained entry into an expanded Super 15 competition, the occasional whispers turned into rather loud screams when ARU interest in Gasnier became obvious early this year.
While the Rebels were obvious candidates from the start, Queensland also sounded like a likely destination with McKenzie now carrying the Reds’ clipboard, and even the Brumbies were mentioned at one point.
ARU High Performance manager David Nucifora even declared in February that Gasnier could potentially be a Wallaby tourist by year’s end if he was back playing in Australia by mid-year.
So here is where the unanswered questions start. For starters, what went wrong? How did negotiations with Australian rugby go from ‘looking to be finalised’ in mid-March, to arguments over length of contract in early May, to concessions of losing the race by the start of June?
What happened for rugby league and St.George/Illawarra to suddenly rocket back into contention?
Why was there hardly a noise from NSW this time around, given the pull of Sydney played such an obvious role in Gasnier’s return to the Dragons, and with the Waratahs then pursuing Scott Staniforth and signing Ryan Cross from the Western Force?
Was the interest in rugby from Gasnier just limited to earning Euros? And did Australian rugby allow itself to be used as a pawn for Gasnier to get back to Kogarah?
I just find it difficult to comprehend how the ARU, who at times ran a lone race to bring Gasnier back to Australia, could miss out on their man so spectacularly, especially after Gasnier himself had not twelve months ago said “I’m not going back to rugby league”.
Mind you, new Prime Minister Julia Gillard only weeks ago declared she was more chance of playing full forward for the Western Bulldogs as she was of challenging Kevin Rudd. Maybe things really do change that quickly.
Typically, the code extremists have raced to air their opinions too, with the ‘rah rahs’ declaring already that Gasnier wasn’t much chop in rugby anyway, while the ‘mungos’ decided Gasnier probably got bored only touching the ball once every 20 minutes.
Dragons back-rower Dean Young got his sneaky two cents in early, too, telling reporters last week “he probably hasn’t tackled anyone or played a hard game of footy in 18 months…” Oh Dean, aren’t you the jokester…
Don’t get me wrong here, I honestly think Gasnier playing league again is the best fit anyway, just as it was when Andrew Johns entertained the idea of switching codes years ago.
But just as I was with Johns, I can’t help but feel a touch disappointed that we’ll never get to judge Gasnier as a rugby player in Australia. And more so that the ARU could lose out from such a seemingly winning position.
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July 6th 2010 @ 1:19pm
ballboy said | July 6th 2010 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
Relax Brett – all tongue in cheek as I thought I covered with my final line. Have we really all become so sensitive these days? Or is it just that tone and timing doesn’t come across so well in emails and best to leave them out.
July 6th 2010 @ 1:28pm
Brett McKay said | July 6th 2010 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
ha, sorry BB, I wasn’t having a go either!! We need to come up with an appropriate smiley for sarcasm…
July 6th 2010 @ 1:59pm
Worlds Biggest said | July 6th 2010 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
It appears the ARU are steering clear of the big name and big cash signing in Gasniers case. I agree with them on this one ( for a change ). It would have been interesting to see how he went however he obviously can see a premiership or two at the Dragons and returned home and good luck to him. I want to see the ARU invest the money into grassroots and not Gaz or Izzy.
July 6th 2010 @ 2:16pm
Go_the_Wannabe's said | July 6th 2010 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
Right on bro……until the ARU gets more rugby into state schools you can forget about competing for player talent against the AFL and NRL. End of story.
July 6th 2010 @ 2:10pm
The Link said | July 6th 2010 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
Wait i’m confused, when Lote had a great first up game in the NRL it was evidence of the superior quality of RU, but what does it mean that Gaz got smashed last night?
July 6th 2010 @ 2:19pm
Brett McKay said | July 6th 2010 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
Link, according to the Fox commentator, it was all because he had no “hard matches” under his belt!! Oh, the hilarity..
July 6th 2010 @ 2:38pm
The Answer said | July 6th 2010 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
Gasnier was a farce last night, when will we learn. THESE UNION BLOKES ARE JUST RUBBISH.
I’m glad they are only paying him 50K he might just be worth it in the end.
July 6th 2010 @ 2:49pm
Brett McKay said | July 6th 2010 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
July 6th 2010 @ 3:28pm
The Answer said | July 6th 2010 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
These converts, I don’t know, waste of time and effort. That french bloke didn’t have a clue what was going on, maybe it was a language thing.
July 6th 2010 @ 3:08pm
Working Class Rugger said | July 6th 2010 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
World’s Biggest and GTW
I doubt the ARU not signing the likes of Gasnier or Folau will any more money flow into grassroot and schools rugby development. I’m hoping that with the seperation of the Waratahs and NSWRU alongside the reformation of the SRU will open up more resources within the NSWRU to deal with these issues but history tends to not to be on my side.
Regarding development I did read what I found an interesting article regarding the development of possible forward talent in the future. A young 15 year old from Cabramatta by the name of Watson Crichton was its subject. No Rugby background but signed up for a powerlifting class a year ago. He currently weighs 107kg, benched 110kg, squats 140kg and deadlifts 150kg. Quite impressive when you consider by 18 he’ll likely be topping the 120kg range. Perhaps until the Unions get the overall picture sorted identifying possible Rugby talent at a similar age could be a real option.
July 7th 2010 @ 4:19pm
Go_the_Wannabe's said | July 7th 2010 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
I always have a laugh when people cry poor for the ARU……”They don’t have the funds to get rugby into the state school system, we just don’t have the revenue of the AFL or NRL to compete against Auskick etc”
Then how come they suddenly had the funds for a Tuquiri, Rogers, Sailor or even to try for a broken a*se like Gasnier? (Fire up bitch!!!!)
And don’t tell me they paid for it by extra bums on seats at the grounds……I doubt they had little impact.
They don’t want to get into state schools, it’s too hard, end of story. They just want to rely on the self funded club system to maintain the grass roots for them – cost free!
No wonder we will be coming last in the 3N for the forseeable future. Unbelievable.
July 6th 2010 @ 6:18pm
Mr Cool said | July 6th 2010 @ 6:18pm | Report comment
Do not worry about Mark Gasnier’s credentials as a NRL player, he will get back to almost where he was. It was disappointing to see him thrown into the team last night (much too soon) and Dragons paid dearly for it with Gaz dropping two simple passes that were takeable and may have lead to tries.
He must be given time to get form back and he must be judged fairly for inclusion in the team along with the Dragons existing Centres who are doing a very creditable job.
Is he passed his best?, is he worth the money??, only time will tell. St George certainly got good value from a past his best player in Sailor.
July 6th 2010 @ 7:26pm
titus said | July 6th 2010 @ 7:26pm | Report comment
Brett, I think the reasons why Gaz returned to RL is quite simple. Some we may have a fair idea on. Others may not come out. The ones we have a fair idea on are:
1. he misses RL, the environment and the game he grew up in
2. the health issues with his close relatives
3. he wants to win a premiership with SGI
4. he thinks he may not cut it at playing for the Wallabies
5. he realises that RU isn’t for him and his heart’s not in it
From the ARU’s point of view, if they are aware of the above, why would they even chase him? Especially given the history of past ex-leaguies who have basically taken them for a ride and are laughing all the way to the bank as they return to RL. This is why I have a problem with the NZRU signing SBW. They seem to have fallen into the same trap as the ARU. The NZRU have bent over backwards to woo an untested player (I’d class playing in Europe as ‘untested’) and this is something they have never done before. And they did so knowing full well that SBW will probably return to the NRL after the RWC. There’s even rumblings coming out of NZ about how SBW has placed a charity boxing match ahead of his knee surgery, effectly delaying his start to the ITM Cup. Does this mean that SBW is already a shoo in for the ABs? Sounds like he doesn’t have to try that hard to get in.
What the ARU and the NZRU need are players who are rugby players first and foremost and love the game to the extent that they want to perform at their best now and for the future of the game. Sure, that’s sometimes hard to gauge when people can say whatever a potential employer wants to hear but the ARU and NZRU have to be very careful.
July 7th 2010 @ 1:23am
Ben said | July 7th 2010 @ 1:23am | Report comment
GAZ didnt come back becasue 1 he had to be in Australia, and 2 the ARU would only sign a performance based contract….and after 2 seasons in France there was no way he was going to nudge out any of the front line outside backs we have…..he is not fast enough to trouble Union outside backs. Gasnier knew it. At 29 he tok the best retirement money on offer.
July 7th 2010 @ 2:26am
Billo said | July 7th 2010 @ 2:26am | Report comment
I’ve never rated Gasnier as one of the better rugby league players, and I didn’t rate him too highly when I saw him play rugby for Stade. As someone else has said here, he had dodgy hands, and was sometimes a liability in defence.
But why do people on a thread like this have to demonstrate their hostility to one of the codes by making a whole host of silly statements.
By the way, Sonny Bill Williams is a different player altogether to Gasnier, and will do a great job for the All Blacks. He could be the player who wins the World Cup for them next year.
July 7th 2010 @ 2:44am
Bob Mcgregor said | July 7th 2010 @ 2:44am | Report comment
Thought provoking article Brett. Read most of the posts and hard to digest facts from fiction. So my contribution from watching Mark’s efforts playing for Stade de France.
My reaction is ‘whats all the fuss about’? Like most league backs who cross the divide for what ever reason he ‘looked like a fish out of water’ in most of the games I saw him play in France. The extra 2 players in Rugby usually have a sweeping cover defensive role and usually pick up the player making line breaks. Such seemed to be the case in France where I assessed him as suspect in defence and not all that apt to break the line.
Another to become quite ineffective in his final season was Tiquiri. Rarely could he find the try line even if he broke the gain line occasionally. His problem was trying to do too much when he should have been trying to recycle. Invariably was cut down, became isolated and either gave away a penalty or turned the ball over. It became obvious to opposition teams in the S14 that he would try to go too far and was easily brought down by NZ & Sth Afr players who KNOW how to tackle and did so.
Currently the Wallabies have great backs talent and the pipeline appears full. What is in deficit are fit front rowers and locks.
We need Vickerman, Horvell et al back ASAP.