Deans’ last shuffle of his Wallabies cards
By Spiro Zavos, 9 Jul 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Since he became coach of the Wallabies, Robbie Deans has presided over a virtual clean-out of the failed 2007 Wallaby squad. He has created 27 new Wallabies, with four new players, Anthony Faingaa, Scott Higginbottom, Rob Simmons, and Ben McCalman in this latest selection for the 2010 Tri Nations tournament.
Aside from several players coming back from injury, like James Horwill and Cameron Shepherd, and the expected return of Dan Vickerman, the squad Deans selected on Thursday is the squad that the Wallabies will take to RWC 2011.
The 28 players named, with two more to come, are effectively Deans’ last shuffle of his Wallabies cards.
We can see with the newcomers where Deans is most concerned about the quality of his present Test players.
Anthony Faingaa is there to strengthen and toughen up the Wallabies mid-field by running more directly to set targets for his forwards to play off.
The implication here is that Matt Giteau’s days are numbered as the Wallabies inside centre. Although he is relatively young for a senior player, Giteau has played 81 Tests.
Many of these Tests have been played at inside centre, a crucial tackling and running position (think Tim Horan).
The small Giteau has been brave with his tackling of monsters like Ma’a Nonu and Jean de Villiers. But now his body is letting him down. He is showing his rugby age.
The spriteliness has gone. He tends to kick rather than run.
I believe that he is too valuable a player not to be in any Wallaby starting line-up, so I’m making my annual plea to Deans to give him a crack on the wing, playing the Shane Williams role.
A shift like this would enable Deans to play Will Genia, Quade Cooper and Anthony Faingaa, the inside back combination that did so well for the Queensland Reds.
The point here is that if the Wallabies are to be competitive in the Tri-Nations, it will have to be on the back of a total game as played by the Reds. The forwards, even with Rocky Elsom and Benn Robinson back, are an average pack lacking mongrel and fire-power in their running.
The backs, though, as they showed against England at Perth, are capable of ripping strong defensive sides to shreds, if they are on their game.
The key to being on their game is the inside back combination, starting at halfback with Cooper’s magic and some direct running from whoever is the inside centre.
In the Sydney Morning Herald on Wednesday, I wrote an article pointing out that the fundamental problem with the Wallabies is that the backs are too small and the forwards play small, even when they are reasonably big, like Dean Mumm.
You wouldn’t know it from the way they play that Mumm is taller and heavier than Brad Thorne. Thorne, though, plays big and Mumm plays small.
Deans clearly recognises that this gets to the heart of his problems for three of new players are big, mobile and aggressive forwards. It would not surprise me if at least two of these new forwards are in the squad to play the All Blacks at Sydney in a couple of weeks time.
Rugby is a game where tactics and strategies are forever being churned over.
There is a development, coming from South Africa, to have the roles of the second rowers becoming distinctive with a pushing/lifting/smash running second rower (Bakkies Botha and Brad Thorn) and a jumping/covering/ agile second rower (Victor Matfield, Anthony Boric).
The Wallabies lack a pushing second rower.
The player who should fill this role is Nathan Sharpe. But Sharpe, like his fellow second rowers, tends to play smaller than he is. So the Wallabies have used Mumm, who is a jumping second rower, in the shoving role.
Simmons (200 cm and 120kg), a rough and ready type of player, might be the pushing second rower Deans needs.
The backs, too, could do with some bigger players.
It struck me when I saw the Wallabies go down at Wellington to the All Blacks last year how much smaller the Wallabies were in the backs. And predictably, Nonu monstered his opponents.
I reckon that Deans will bring Cameron Shepherd (104kg and 189cm) into the squad when he gets through a club match unscathed.
In the SMH, too, I raised the possibility of Deans trying to turn Higginbottom into an outside centre. He has the pace, skills and defensive qualities needed for the position.
In the early days of rugby, players, especially in the forwards, did not have specific positions. The first players to the scrum, for instance, formed the front row, and so on.
The 1905 All Blacks created specific positions for the players in the forwards and backs. Over time, this has become the norm.
But the roles played in the various positions have changed.
I’m old enough, for instance, to have played when wingers threw the ball into the lineouts. There is nothing to stop any player from throwing the ball in, in fact.
Some French clubs have used the half back for this role.
My idea about Higginbottom is based on the notion that outside centre has become another loose forward position. Why not develop a loose forward to play there.
Players have in the past moved from the forwards to backs with success (think Jonah Lomu, Eric Rush). Why not Higginbottom?
In his term as Wallaby coach, Deans has coached 32 Tests for 18 wins at the disappointing success rate of 56 per cent.
There have been some notable victories.
Last season the Wallabies defeated the Springboks, something the All Blacks could not have achieved. There have been seven successive losses, after a first-up victory, to the All Blacks that has corrupted the record.
The bookmakers are suggesting that the Wallabies will come a long last in this year’s Tri-Nations, and their most likely victory will be against the All Blacks at Sydney.
I would think also that the Test in two weeks or so against the Springboks at Brisbane is also a strong candidate for a Wallabies victory.
You have to go back 30 years or so for the Springboks winning at Brisbane (and back to 1937 as a matter of interest for a Springboks victory against the All Blacks at Eden Park). The Reds mauled the Bulls at Brisbane this season and the perfect playing surface at Lang Park should help the high-octane game the Wallabies will want to play this season.
Right now, the prospects of other victories do not look good.
But things can turn around quickly in rugby, as the Reds showed this season. The cards have been shuffled, but they yet to be played.
And who knows what tricks Deans has in store for us to marvel at?
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July 9th 2010 @ 9:20am
James D said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:20am | Report comment
I know you say we lack size in the backs and we do but you have to remember that our backs are largely young. Just follow me on this.
Horne is 88kgs now (and when he made his debut) and when mortlock made his debut he was 90kgs – Now morty is around the 106 mark. Same thing for Latham who got bigger as his career went on. These blokes who are small just need time to develop and hit the gym and they will become bigger as their careers go on.
My current Wallaby team atm would be (of the fit players availaible).
1. Robinson
2. Moore
3. Slipper
4. Simmons
5. Sharpe
6. Elsom
7. Pocock
8. Higginbotham
9. Burgess (Genia is a better attacker but the only tries we let in in General play were when Genia started against England)
10. Cooper
11. Ioane (Hynes if he is not fit)
12. Giteau (he gets one more chance for mine) If he is poor than Barnes in.
13. Horne
14. AAC
15. JoC
This team is largely the fittest availiable for the wallabies (no Ma’afu or Mumm etc) and should be able to run the Boks around like crazy. And hopefully has the grunt (Simmons Higginbotham) to match it with the boks. Really would love TPN and Palu back.
I still think we will get beat though.
July 9th 2010 @ 9:48am
Justin said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Burgess over Genia. Like picking a commodore over a Bentley….
July 9th 2010 @ 10:11am
James D said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Yep – he is the better defender. Even Marto agrees with that and he is as QLD’er through and thorugh as you get.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:50am
mother teresa said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
yep,may as well make oconnor capt with that logic
July 9th 2010 @ 9:52am
reds fan said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:52am | Report comment
James D, I noticed in one report on the A. Faingaa selection that he has gone from 83kg at the start of 2009, to now being 93kg. He’ll get even bigger.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:12am
James D said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Thats right. I mean Mortlock might be a bit of a strong case – not many blokes put on 15 – 20kg’s of pure muscle whilst playing sport professionally but Horne and Mitchell and even Turner will get bigger as they get older.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:26am
Justin said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:26am | Report comment
They will put on weight no doubt but it was the height of the older generation that allowed them to get up and over 100kg. Turner aside not many of these guys are tall which will limit what they can get to.
July 9th 2010 @ 11:28am
James D said | July 9th 2010 @ 11:28am | Report comment
A fair point but they will get bigger – not as big as the others but they will get bigger.
July 9th 2010 @ 3:47pm
Bay35Pablo said | July 9th 2010 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
All blokes tend to beef up in their mid 20s
July 9th 2010 @ 10:43am
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Maybe he should try getting to the dinner table before his brother.
July 9th 2010 @ 11:01am
James D said | July 9th 2010 @ 11:01am | Report comment
and Blinky goes boom!
July 12th 2010 @ 5:39pm
taylorbridge said | July 12th 2010 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
Why waste a selection by including Elsom. He is no longer what he was, Watch him compared to McCaw. or even any of the rest of the Wallaby pack. He lifted against Ireland but that was an abberation.
July 9th 2010 @ 9:43am
Chris said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:43am | Report comment
I think the Wallabies are not far off being a good side, regardless of the team I still think that our weakness is at the breakdown. We continually get bashed not because of size but due to lack of commitment, when our boys stand up, we are awesome. I was at Suncorp last year and if we played like that every game look out! The Boks are big but watch the Bulls V the Reds- those big Yarpies were walking to the lineouts. Robbie Deans has always worked on a game built on pace and skill and it has been very successful but there needs to be mongrel at the breakdown. Will Genia will improve this as he does drive his forward well, and by the way Matt Giteau on the wing would be fun to see.
July 9th 2010 @ 9:56am
reds fan said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Robbie was at Suncorp to watch the Reds run the Bulls ragged. It was a very smart game plan from Link and well executed. The Bulls forwards were so knackered that they completely stuffed up a lineout and we got a steal against Victor. That was one of the highlights of the year for me. From that steal we pulled a great backline move to score in the opposite far corner. If we can see that kind of thing from the boys in Gold we’ll have lots to cheer about.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:27am
Sam Taulelei said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:27am | Report comment
The Reds are probably a good analogy of where the Wallabies are at the moment. Capable of putting in a world class performance against strong opposition but just like the Reds unable to maintain it over a long period of time and ultimately falling short in the must win games.
After such a promising start in 2008 when they opened their Tri Nations campaign with two home victories, the Wallabies really fell away badly and so far haven’t shown anything to give their fans anything other than hope and faith that they’ll come right against SA and NZ. Maybe this is what Spiro is referring to about “Deans tricks for us to marvel at”
July 9th 2010 @ 10:53am
mother teresa said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:53am | Report comment
yep,learn from reds and better still put more reds into wallabies ;may as well put coach in also
July 9th 2010 @ 9:50am
johnny-boy said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Giteau does show great courage in tackling at 2nd five and getting bashed around – he might actually appreciate being given a bit more space on the wing or off the bench. But mind slips in front of the posts for a match winner are u.n.a.c.c.e.p.t.a.b.l.e. When we have a surplus of big mobile aggressive forwards Spiro may be we can consider Higginbotham for centre but right now we need him where he is – and more. It’s a myth that you need huge backs to win just as it’s a myth that the Boks are big huge scary monsters. It’s an oldy but a goody – but the bigger they are the harder they fall. What is often not appreciated is that being significantly bigger than your opponents can breed mental weakness and a subconscious that it wont be too difficult. But if you are significantly smaller the adrenalin pumps that little bit harder and the fighting spirit is aroused. I live in forlorn hope.
July 9th 2010 @ 9:53am
ben said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:53am | Report comment
I couldnt disagree more with this BIG BACKS argument……Mana Nonu has feet for hands, and the all blacks have won exactly nothing with him there….firstly and most importantly you need speed….look at the spring boks….huge forwards fast backs…2007 WC had flourie at OC that was it for size…percy montgomery? and look at them now they are actually getting smaller. England went for the big back theory and they get constantly run around.
We have the best backline in world rugby..full stop….the Reds this year had a forward pack that just provided quality ball, that was it….they retained the ball for long periods against the Saffer teams and wore them down, then when a mistake was made they exploded with speed….McKenzie says you go froward then wide with speed. If the wallabies can get this backline some clean ball then look out.
I really dont understand, we won the WC twice with smarts and speed outwide….we won exactly nothing with size…Horan and little are not big…..Campo is not either and couldnt tackle to save himself…..please go back and look at teh highlights of the Reds tries this year with a small but effective forward pack….Ball retention(no chip kicks, gits barnes and kurtley), then explode with speed out wide. If the Reds had a little bigger forward pack tey would have won this year.
When rocket Rod davies comes back, and you have genia and cooper feeding horne and chambers in the centers…..behind a forward pack that holds its own……wooo baby.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:29am
Justin said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Mortlock, Herbert, Tune, Roff, Latham = BIG!
July 9th 2010 @ 10:00am
Mr Saunders said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:00am | Report comment
’2007 WC had flourie at OC that was it for size…percy montgomery?’
The Springboks also had Frans Steyn and Butch James in their XV.
‘England went for the big back theory and they get constantly run around.’
Like whom, and when, Ben?
‘Horan and little are not big’
Little was quite big, but the 1999 WC backline also contained Burke, Herbert, Tune, Roff and Larkham. I always thought of that as quite a large backline.
July 9th 2010 @ 8:00pm
Ben said | July 9th 2010 @ 8:00pm | Report comment
I played against Matt Burke and he was not big…he was very fast, he won the gps 100…Tune and especially roof were not big but fast again….herbert was a big guy….not as big as nonu,…also roff played soft and I remember had a huge problem with his defense which is why he was bencher in 2003 final.
July 9th 2010 @ 9:34pm
Mr Saunders said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:34pm | Report comment
Ben, in 1999 Matt Burke and Ben Tune were both 6 foot and roughly 15 stone, and Roff may have played soft, but he was a very big man. It’s not accurate to say that the 1999 backline was small. Consider the size of Burke’s counterparts in the 1999 WC, for example: Garbajosa, Wilson, Perry, Howarth, Montgomery et al.
July 11th 2010 @ 10:52am
stu said | July 11th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Gordon Bray used to call out “Here’s Big Joe Roff”
July 9th 2010 @ 8:11pm
ben said | July 9th 2010 @ 8:11pm | Report comment
Mr saunders…..SInce the 2003 world cup the english, especially their backline has been sub standard. Horan and Little are not big at all, they/were are both very very fast…..tune and burke(who i played against) were NOT big they were very fast, especially Tune……Roffwas tall but remember played soft and hardly ran through guys, mostly around also very very suspect in defense, why he was benched in the WC 2003. Herbert was big……..but remember others such as larkharm(80kgs soaking wet)
the All blacks threaten every time becasue of speed out wide not size….this is what the boks do as well…..if you happen to have size as well (lomu, kirwin etc) then all the better, but you never substitute speed for size….so the call of Higgers at 13 is unbelievable, as he would get embarassed but a 2nd grade colts 13.
The problem with the Wallaby backline the last 2 test has been getting bad ball from a forward pack going backwards…..worry about securing good ball and this backline will do the rest.
July 9th 2010 @ 8:39pm
Peter K said | July 9th 2010 @ 8:39pm | Report comment
ben I agree BUT you need 1 big guy in the backline alah Herbert / Mortlock to get rushing defence on the backfoot, to bend set defence back. Not all big guys but just 1.
July 9th 2010 @ 9:37pm
Mr Saunders said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:37pm | Report comment
‘Mr saunders…..SInce the 2003 world cup the english, especially their backline has been sub standard.’
That’s certainly true, Ben, but you initially said that England has gone for the big back theory since 2003, and that isn’t the case.
Btw, Horan was around 6 foot and close to 15 stone, so he wasn’t small by playing standards during his day. Little was also 6+ and probably close to 15 stone.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:24am
Gary Russell-Sharam said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Giteau for the wing is probably the best solution. I would have Barnes at 12 with Faainga on the bench and give him the last 20 minutes. Higginbotham has to start so to Simmonds but Deans as always is ultra conservative and may have these boys off the bench. Acually Deans is a bit frustrating with his conservatism and I think that has a lot to do with why we are not winning. Example; how many chances do you give Giteau and them there is Ma’afu in the front row, how he is even considered is beyond me. Dare I say it Deans seems to have a perchance for NZ or Islander background in his players
and thats maybe because of his own heritage. I can’t think of any other reason why he would have started Ma’afu in the last test instead of Slipper. I also would have JOC on the bench and AAC at fullback with Hynes and Giteau on the wings with Horne / Diggers at 13 if uninjured. Front row Robinson, Moore Slipper, Locks, Sharpe and Simmonds Back row, Elsom Higgers and Pocock, Genia and Cooper as the halves. But I add that Genia would have to play soooo much better than his last outing because Burgess looks good at the moment.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:28am
Brisbanebitter said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Playing a second playmaker was worth trying but that was before Quade Cooper had fully emerged on the international stage. Now the mantra is to get the ball to him as much as possible and let him pick out the hole runners, one of which needs to be a hard and straight running inside centre. We should not be deluded about what is required at the highest level and that is an inside centre who can bend the defensive line. As great a player as Tim Horan was, he was essentially used as a battering ram in many of the wallabies finest victories of that era. Deans has had to work with the playing roster he was given and it was not wrong to try and exploit the comparative advantage that Australia holds with respect to the number of talented ball players has within its ranks. However when you have genius in the ranks ala a Steve Larkam or Quade Cooper you dont need a second playmaker just a lot of worthy options running into the gaps. Giteau definitaly needs benching, his petulance and sulking is infecting the team and Deans need to finish the job he started with Tuquiri and get the big egos out of the way and get in guys who can be coached. Giteau has allways shown a tendancy, when pressured, to run sideways and will never be the straight running IC we need. AF should start against SA for sure. I used to be a massive BB fan but since he moved to NSW he has become a kick first and ask questions later player and shows little inclination to take the ball to the line. Finally, although we dont like to admit it, Rugbly League has had a massive positive influence on the way union is played in this country and vicarioulsy throughout the world. The Muggleton inspired defenseive stategies layed the foundations for world cup victories and characteristics of league such as increased use of footwork, expansive passing, second man plays etc all have cross fertilized the 15 man game. Why not further embrace this asset, especially the second man plays ala Lockyer and Thurston on Wednesday night. Seems the perfect counter to rushing SA defence to me.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:31am
Justin said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Great post BB – agree with eveything you have said.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:45am
Chris said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:45am | Report comment
I agree Matt Giteau needs to improve his attitude and he is a great player when he runs straight, and Cooper will put him in the gaps. Also your comments about league are true we need to keep the game moving forward with new ideas and strategies, I still maintain that league is not the enemy – the handbaggers in Melbourne are the ones trying to take over the world.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:48am
inkosi said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:48am | Report comment
“Deans need to finish the job he started with Tuquiri and get the big egos out of the way and get in guys who can be coached”
Agreed BB – and perhaps this is why there 10 Reds players in the squad, as they have shown this year they are prepared to be coached unlike the Brumbies who had a star studded line up.
July 9th 2010 @ 9:44pm
mw said | July 9th 2010 @ 9:44pm | Report comment
Right on Bris. But Giteau on the wing is a ludicrous idea. On the bench or nowhere.
July 9th 2010 @ 10:53am
Gary said | July 9th 2010 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Giteau at wing, maybe as a desperate last resort in an injury depleted side (eg the Force last S14 season) but in preference to the available talent no way.
Add to that he’s the only the third best kicker in the team (4th if Shepherd comes back) and you have to wonder why he’s still in the team.
At the least bench him and teach him once and for all that he has to earn his place just like everyone else.
Re the comment about our young backs still growing. Exactly right. Look at James O’Connor and they way he has filled out in the past 12 months. He’s got five more years of growing before he will reach full size?! He’s not the only one.
July 9th 2010 @ 11:10am
Gary Russell-Sharam said | July 9th 2010 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Great post BB very intelligent and right on the money.
July 9th 2010 @ 11:47am
Carnavore said | July 9th 2010 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Giteau at fullback. He has all the skills required and great last line of defence. He has good vision and he’ll have more time to decide what to do. Australia has always been strongest when we have a solid fullback. Burke, Latham… even Larkham when he started there.
AAC has to be in the team somewhere and I think fullback is his best position too but he could be more valuable on the wing than Giteau.
Anyway I would like to see Gits in at 15 for maybe one or two games – I think it’s a far more viable choice than wing.
July 9th 2010 @ 4:03pm
Even Looser said | July 9th 2010 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
Gits at 15 is something that I’ve pondered too.
He has a decent boot, good defence & at FB it could allow him more freedom to chime into the backline. O’Connor doesn’t seem quite there yet, Kurley despite moments of brilliance suffers from poor decision making and AAC is good at 15 but for his love of that damn God aweful chip kick that he can be guaranteed to try time & time again. Besides which AAC seems the best option at 13 from what I’ve seen.
Gits is too good to leave out of the team & 15 seems a real option to me. Kind of Burnie Larkham in reverse.