Memo NRL: time for a Western Sydney Cup
By Sam H, 12 Jul 2010 Sam H is a Roar Pro
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Western Sydney has become the new blank canvas for sports administrators keen to project their visions of dominance of the 21st century Australian football scene.
To their eyes Western Sydney has it all. A huge, young, diverse population. Stadia to suit tastes large, small, round and rectangular. And enough indications of a collective consciousness to hint that a Western Sydney-wide sporting franchise could unify a huge and disparate region behind a single sporting identity.
It sure sounds good. A seething mass of sports-mad humanity – one of the best and biggest nurseries for junior talent in the country, ripe for the picking.
Mr Demetriou must have been licking his lips when he saw the population growth charts in some boardroom meeting in the mid-2000s – presumably next to the writing on the wall suggesting that a bigger TV contract next time around would require some big ideas, and big risks.
All those little Israels, just waiting for the right contract – or better yet, a well-paid Pied Piper.
The NRL must look on the AFL’s well-financed, brazen march into the traditional Sydney rugby league ‘heartland’ with a mixture of utter bemusement and simmering rage.
Of course, rugby league does have some major advantages and key assets out west.
Primary amongst these are the four huge, proud Sydney clubs which have forged powerful individual identities within the cities massive westward sprawl. Rugby league, from its inner-city roots, has been marching westward with Sydney itself since the very inception of the game.
Today, the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs (est 1935), Parramtatta Eels (1947), Penrith Panthers (1967) and Wests Tigers (formed in 2000 by the merger of two of the original 1908 inner-western Sydney clubs, Balmain and Western Suburbs) boast some of the biggest crowds, membership numbers and junior nurseries in rugby league.
An obvious response to the AFL’s incursion into the west is to provide a collective regional outlet for these proud suburban identities.
One simple example which I believe the NRL should look very closely at is the Western Sydney Cup.
It would work a little like this (and you can see an expanded explanation here):
Early every season, the NRL would schedule a three week window for a round robin between the four Western Sydney teams, with the rest of the competition continuing on independently.
The competition points from every game would count towards the NRL ladder.
But they would also count for the competition-within-the-competition – the Western Sydney Cup.
After a home game for each team over the first two weeks, the Cup would culminate in week three with a double header at Telstra Stadium – with Western Sydney bragging rights, prize money and NRL competition points at stake for all teams on the final day of the competition.
In essence this is an obvious extension of NRL’s existing ‘rivalry round’ arrangements. It would be easy to accommodate within the existing NRL season.
It would produce a series of already fiercely-contested local derbies, with an additional prize on the line. And it would be a boon for fans, clubs, sponsors, broadcasters and the NRL alike, as Western Sydney galvanised behind a three week gala of rugby league, with the local boys in the big-time fighting it out at home for what in time could become one of the game’s major prizes.
Imagine the buildup in Western Sydney towards a week three double header where after a few tight games in the early rounds, Parramatta squared off against the Dogs, and Penrith against Wests. Hayne and Hindmarsh against Barba and Idris, Marshall and Farah against Jennings and Coote. A series of promotions, clinics and events could be held in Western Sydney in the days leading up to the game.
And the final result likely unknown until fulltime of the second match of the double header, in front of a packed crowd at Homebush and a huge Friday night or Sunday afternoon TV audience.
This sort of event would be relatively simple to organise and would offer something that rival codes like the AFL – despite the dollars on offer and the rabid expansionary zeal – cannot hope to match.
A bit of wrangling over stadium contracts and member seating and you could even have it up and running next year – perfect timing a season ahead of the arrival of the AFL’s new kids on the block.
A project like this would be a piece of cake for one of the many visionary and accomplished CEOs already plying their trade at the western Sydney clubs. Over the past few weeks we’ve had all sorts of ideas about how rugby league can improve – lengthened seasons, shortened games, stand alone Origin weekends, etc.
The Western Sydney Cup would be one simple, non-radical change that works from within the fabric of the existing competition to deliver a major benefit for all concerned.
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oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 6:56am | Report comment
Yes, listening to Rabs commentry on nine, he mentioned that this was only the 3rd Sunday afternoon game played at Penrith in 2 years.? Mate, rugby league is so far off the pace its not funny. Imagine if they ever get their act together. What they should do, and make it a priority, is build a 55 thousand mega stadium, Suncorp style out west.
Lets get serious, this is leagues heartland, and they treat it like a training camp. When is rugby league going to wake up, treat the fans and game with respect. The footy this week-end has been outstanding, just think if they had this stadium out there for fans to enjoy.
Suncorp is spectacular. They need a stadium like this badly. Aussie stadium should only be used for major events. its a round ground with poor veiwing.
Like your idea, but until we get someone in charge of the game who wants to take the game forward, expect no real change. Carr and his cronies are going to be doing the same old things all over again come 2011. We have court battles coming up, fighting ourselves, destroying our game from the inside. The dinosaurs are alive and well.
In the meantime, we have the AFL moving in, signing up all the Polynesians who are not suited to their game.
What rugby league should also be doing, is getting as many island nationalities who can play for there nations, (Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, etc, and have junior squads preparing for international representation. Same as the junior kangaroos. We need someone in charge who can think ahead, more than past there own nose.
M1tch said | July 12th 2010 @ 9:09am | Report comment
Love the idea, I suppose the hurdle is when to play as we dont want these games played during Origin..
Sam H said | July 12th 2010 @ 9:22am | Report comment
Mitch, I think you could play it before Origin. Early in the season – say rounds 3, 4, 5. (Although like a lot of people I’d lean towards having Origins played on stand alone weekends to avoid having the best players missing during from big club games).
The beauty of a competition like this is that it could run without interfering with the NRL competition itself – you would just have to nudge the draw for the four clubs invovled around a little bit. It gives you the attraction of a series of early season (almost conference style) derby round and still maintains the integrity of the broader comp.
Rodney McDonell said | July 12th 2010 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Great idea. I’ve had similar ideas and i think these little cups within the premiership will be a wonderful thing for encouraging people to come out and support their team. Perhaps at the same time you could have an Eastern cup, with Manly, Roosters, Souths, Dragons & Sharks
M1tch said | July 12th 2010 @ 10:08am | Report comment
like that idea too Rodney..as sam says early season would be good time to host this – even have round 2 after Origin to try to stop the after Origin crowd slump
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Not sure you guys are listening, look, i mentioned once before, if we ever get another team based in Brisbane, we need to build another stadium, around Ipswich. This area is the next western Sydney, trust me.
Now as i mentioned, a stadium for west sydney, 55 to 60 thousand. If we bid for the soccer world cup come 2022 to 2030, then we have a stadium with capacity in-place.
Mate, come on, lets stop being donkey jackasses, lets think ahead and stop playing tiddley winks. The west needs a mega stadium, cut the crap with these big waste of space stadiums, lets build the right stadium for league, tell aussie to stick this big useless dinosaur up its cracxker, its useless.
Knock it down for all i care, gallop sold this dinosaur stadium to league for peanuts, he had the chance to sell league to queensland and blew it out the door, all for a piddley 4.5 million a year….. I.C before we make more boo boos.
Rugby league is a living breathing giant, all we need is leadership.
England super league is going gangbusters compared to our pathetic comp, run by donkeys. Just to comapre, on a small t/v budget, they made 50 million profit compared to our jackasses.
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:21am | Report comment
That 50 million profit was for last year alone.
Mushi said | July 13th 2010 @ 7:31am | Report comment
Where is that profit number from? I can only see the RFL profit numbers who I thought ran super league.
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:37am | Report comment
GWS is no threat apparently?
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Redb, GWS could be squashed if rugby league created a vision for west sydney. West Sydney is die-hard league territory. Rugby league just needs abit of vision to make it impossible for afl to take off.
I have nothing against afl, but i have mentioned the gloves are off..
What really impresses me, and the product that should make rugby league the number 1 sport, Toyota cup. This comp is outstanding, not just good, but the highest quality junior league comp in Australia.
Hopefully rugby league dont undersell this comp. Its a goldmine for rugby league, and is taking rugby league to the next level.
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
If Melb Storm can grind away at Melbourne – which you would agree is AFL heartland then GWS can do the same.
Most posters on the Roar seem to think GWS has no chance, yet article after article talks about competing against them. RL sets up a Western Sydney academy – why wasnt it already before GWS was proposed?
The truly valid question hhs to be asked, if there is no threat? why such angst, such counter plans?
In a commerical and popular sense is the theat not equal, maybe even greater with the Sydney Rovers? Where is the counter plan?
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Redb, the storm have never been accepted by Melbourne. The same as GWS wont be accepted.. You really think apart from a few expats that GWS will take off.? Mate, look at Brisbane lions and Swans, without expats after 150 years, afl would be dead, yes dead. I lived in Brisbane for 35 years, trust me, if it was not for the Gabba ground, the lions would be a novelty. They get support, but not from brisbane as a whole.
If it wasn’t for the Victorians expats living in Brisbane, who go to the lions games, who leave their t/v’s on the game , so to up the t/v veiwers, afl is not that big in Brisbane mate.
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
Oikee,
I’m under no illusion as to the Broncos status in Brisbane compared to the Lions in the AFL. They have gone head to head with big games and I think it was 70 to 30 split, which is about right. The AFL would be happy with its niche though in Brisbane, surely a pretty good fan base for any code.
The Broncos are to Brisbane what the Crows are to Adelaide. This makes it tough on Port Power and no doubt is the reason a 2nd Brisbane RL team is also a tough proposition.
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
Brisbane is a city, Ipswich is a city.
So what are you looking for Redb, 50-50, 40-60 to AFL. ? Mate wont ever happen. Soccer and Rugby also get equal rights in Brisbane, we dont hog any code, all get a fair go.
Your trying to make Brisbane out to be a AFL stronghold, mate give it up. Brisbane is rugby league, state of origin is our passion.
We support codes, not 1 code. If we supported one code, rugby league would be king.
Dont try to convert Brisbane into a Melbounre, you have 1 team, think yourself lucky to have 1.
As i mentioned, Aussie rules has been played in Brisbane for donkey years, my high school was next door to the coorparoo rules club,. And just across the creek was rugby union stronghold, still is, nothing changes. All are surrounded by rugby league..
M1tch said | July 12th 2010 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
they arent, but doesnt mean we cant do better in west sydney
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:38am | Report comment
To understand the enormous logistics of Ipswich, you only have to drive through this area each day, a whole suburb was created overnite in the last year. Just recently they announced a aviation hub for Amberly(Airforce base) for a new airway hub for Brisbane, this will inturn create a mega city and force the growth of Ipswich as a city to become a major city on its own. Driving past this region, the crawl is burgeoning out as far as Lowood, the start of the Brisbane river. Prices have trebled since i 1st moved to Toowoomba.
Its a goldmine, not about to stop anytime soon.
Now, i am begging rugby league to understand this situation, same as western Sydney. Brisbane is a sleeping giant, its growth is 2 fold and a second team in Ipswich is a must.
mushi said | July 14th 2010 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Yes the grand city of Ipswich that has been long enveloped by Brisbane and shares such an independent identity that it is considered part of Brisbane metro.
The grand city of Ipswich that already supports a rugby league team, they are called the Brisbane Broncos you might have heard of them during your 35 years up there.
The grand city of Ipswich that would bring no additional supporters of rugby league only divert them from an existing club.
Even Eddie Groves would understand this
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Whats the plan to counter the crowds for Sydney Rovers in the A League in Western Sydney?
Sam H said | July 12th 2010 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Redb, who said anything about countering Rovers (or GWS) crowds?
I think the Rovers will do well. They ought to given how popular soccer is in the western suburbs. Although like the AFL team I think they’ll have real problems developing a whole-of-western-sydney identity (as opposed to a strong more localised following somewhere in the West).
The Rovers have talked about representing the area from Menai-Liverpool-Campbelltown up to the north-west and out to the mountains. Somewhat more fancifully the AFL seems to be pushing the notion of some western Sydney-Wollongong-Canberra ‘triangle’. This is the big advantage the NRL has on the ground out west – they’ve got the whole joint covered already in a way a single franchise will find almost impossible to match, ever. And as this article suggests there are plenty of things the NRL could be doing to ram this advantage home.
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Sydney Rovers?, welcome them with open arms, league and soccer are brothers you might say Rebd. We share the same grounds in England and Australia, same as rugby.
Look Redb, we are coming to get you. You started this fight, rugby league will show you how to finish a fight. As i mentioned once before, league has been fighting for 100 years, you only joined 6 months ago. Good luck.
Your piddling around with Isreal’s signing, in the meantime Brisbane could be getting the prized signiture. Greg Inglis, the greatest Athlete on the Planet.
He is racing Bolt come September, i think he can take him.
Ken said | July 12th 2010 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
I find your posts a little fanciful sometimes oikee but geez I love reading them
Redb said | July 12th 2010 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
Bring it on Oikee.
We have the best live game, two more teams
Nick said | July 13th 2010 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
best live games? IMO AFL is deadset the worst game to watch live, when they are in the other half you cant see squat.
The new Melbourne rectangle ground in the AFL district shows how good a NRL game is, you sit soo close you get to wipe the blood off your forehead.
AFL is getting a bit tired where im from (SA) and your starting to see niche sports take away crowds and members from AFL. Basketball and Netball have bigger followings then the Power and if it wasnt for the Media flooding the papers and the TVs im sure the crows would start to suffer as well.
A contact sport like NRL in Adelaide would kill off the power in one hit, only 10 000 at adelaide oval for the storm and dogs game, but half the ground was under construction and I wouldnt know where else you could put a bigger crowd. It rivalled a 20/20 and test match in Adelaide.
Best live game? best left on tv I think … yet they still turn up in thier droves in melbourne?
Redb said | July 13th 2010 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
That’s what the Melb Storm thought when they came to Melbourne in 1998.
You seriously underestimate the Crows support in Adelaide, the media line is BS. The Crows are the most popular team in South Australia by the length of Spencer Gulf!
I was just having a bit fun with oikee, but seeing as this is NRL thread I’m not going to get into your other comments, keep dreaming.
Dogs Of War said | July 12th 2010 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
This is where you look to the NFL and think about making a conference type setup. We already have a defacto version of that which changes a little each year depending on how you went the year before. So why not just maximise the dollars and formulate the conferences to maxmise the rivalries with a Western Sydney conference, Northern Conference etc. It would still allow for expansion (just adding teams to a conference isn’t difficult, and in the NFL they have moved teams from one conference to another before). You could just have it that you play all the teams in your conference twice, and one other conference twice, playing the other 2 conferences only once. The 4 conference winners go through, as well as 4 wildcard teams (best record). It makes those conference match up games better cause you know your team is locked in for the semi’s if they can just win that division.
oikee said | July 12th 2010 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
Yes, i am warming to this idea also, it keeps the crowds up, and allows more teams to enter without overloading the comp. 18 teams is way to many, interest will die off after 10 rounds. Look at afl crowds, 2 men and a dog turn up for alot of games and they post a 30 thousand crowd because of memberships.
I could count the crowd at etihad the other nite on 2 hands.
They never get crowds in aderlaide. I seen a guy asleep on a bench the other day at a game, must of been a leftover from the nite before, he was also counted.
The techno dude at the game must have hit the 50 thousand crowd button instead of the 25 thousand.
Dogs Of War said | July 12th 2010 @ 4:31pm | Report comment
Once you get to 20 teams (which should eventually happen), you would have 5 conferences, with a 10 teams finals (5 conference winners + 5 wildcards). The NRL has to do something to ensure that it is maximising it’s greatest asset, the club rivalries, that Western Sydney conference of Bulldogs, Eels, Panthers and Tigers would be a cracker each year.