Boks are repeating history but is it too late?
By kynang, 28 Jul 2010 kynang is a Roar Pro
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It wasn’t so long ago that the Boks went down 49-0 in Brisbane and people were calling for the head of Jake White. “Joke” White, the headlines read. And now we have a new clown.
Peter De Villiers has maybe built less than White, but before we all write the Boks off completely, it is worth comparing histories.
Jake White took over from a Springbok team in ruins. Kamp Staldraad and all the homo-eroticism disguised as team building, a Quarter Final exit in the World Cup … Danie Craven was turning in his grave.
In stepped White, and the Boks were immediately resurrected and won the Tri-Nations in 2004.
2005 was an equally good year, though people seem to forget it. The Tri-Nations was barely lost on the bounce of a ball. The Boks and All Blacks won three games apiece, the Boks going down to a last minute try, denying them their first win on New Zealand soil in years.
And then the infamous 2006 Tri-Nations humiliation, Schalk Burgers neck injury (inevitably related), political interference, doom-and-gloom, calls for the head of the coach.
And then World Cup victory in 2007. How did Joke White turn it around when they had supposedly sunk so low?
In his book, Jake White claims that the team moves in cycles, and he expected the terrible third year given the amount of rugby being played. He knew that if he just rode it out, he would win the World Cup, as that is what he had been building his team for all along.
So he put his players on a reconditioning program, forgot about results in 2007, and became a national hero.
Can Peter De Villiers do the same?
Are the Boks just in a cycle of burnt out bodies from over-use? I think it’s key to point out some similarities and things that did change, and need to be adhered to once more.
Yes, the key Boks have played WAY to much rugby. Matfield, Habana and Smit are in serious need of reconditioning. They look like corpses out there (bloated corpses in Smit’s case – the man needs a diet and some gym).
Again, the Boks are missing a key flanker in Heinrich Brussow, and Juan Smith for that matter.
Their return should make a huge difference. What White did effectively is blood youngsters in the pre-World Cup year. We saw the rise of Francois Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Bismarck Du Plessis and JP Pieterson.
Taking a leaf from the Book of Jake, De Villiers needs to give his youngsters a chance. It’s time to put Januarie out to pasture and give Francois Hougaard a run at scrumhalf.
Likewise Juan de Jongh needs some game time, and come end of year tour, he needs to introduce Mapoe, Mvovo and Lambie to the squad.
Perhaps, most significant, was White’s willingness to admit his short-comings, and bring in some fresh eyes. The contribution of former Aussie coach Eddie Jones cannot be overstated. He brought life to a stagnant backline, and shook up the complacent Bokke.
De Villiers needs to swallow his pride, and do likewise.
I’m thinking Brendan Venter – he has transformed Saracens. Or perhaps Ian McGeechan. His work with the Lions backline was revolutionary – I have never seen such dangerous running, and bizarrely, no-one has tried to replicate it.
Maybe Rod McQueen, if we can get him to leave the Reds for a spell.
Regardless, there needs to be fresh input, because the current pond is stinky.
So don’t discount a Bok victory next year. New Zealand is nice and over-confident again – ripe for the picking as home pressures mount.
Perhaps it’s all part of some bizarre Peter De Villiers masterplan.
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July 28th 2010 @ 9:20am
Cracker said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:20am | Report comment
I don’t know that it would be PDVs plan to get spanked in 3 consecutive tests, 2 of them in the host nation of next years world cup. The question is whether he can bring together a strong and rejuvinated lineup for the home trinations tests and end of season matches. It’s doubtful whether he has the smarts to do a Jake White and win the world cup given the generally directionless game the Boks have been playing this year. They should bite the bullet and hand the reigns to Muir.
Also wasn’t Francois Hougard a winger?
July 28th 2010 @ 9:33am
Bokkie said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
he is acctually a scrum half but because fourie du preez is the bulls first choice he plays wing in the s14.
I think your probably right. We will see b side’s in next years tri nations from the boks because of they reconditioning. Probably going to cause a whole bunch of outrage over on this sde of the world again.
never count out the bokke
July 28th 2010 @ 9:39am
Lee said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Hougard was originally a scrummie but has been passed around as a utility back.
Good article, I think we need those youngsters in there, particularly de Jongh, Lambie and Mvovo – fantastic players who surely are the future of the Boks.
For a youngster, Lambie is very solid and dependable at the back – all the qualities of another Sharks fullback – not Steyn.
I don’t think it’s time to start panicking really – especially when viewing the results of 2006 and 2007.
July 28th 2010 @ 12:04pm
Cracker said | July 28th 2010 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Is the other Sharks fullback Andre Joubert?
July 28th 2010 @ 4:06pm
Lee said | July 28th 2010 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Yes….obviuosly to early with Lambie to say he will reach anywhere near that height buit for a young guy in his first year of S14 he was very dependable.
July 28th 2010 @ 4:28pm
Rusty said | July 28th 2010 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
actually its Stefan Terblanche who probably was probably playing when Joubert was around
July 29th 2010 @ 6:06am
Lee said | July 29th 2010 @ 6:06am | Report comment
Speaking of players who need to retire….
Terblanche frustrated me more than any other Sharks player during this years S14, the amount of 2 on 1 chances he bombed because he thought he had the pace and step to dummy and go himself!!!
July 28th 2010 @ 12:10pm
adam said | July 28th 2010 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
To be honest meyer should have been the boks coach but because of the anc everything has to be black now and thats why pdv got the job. i mean if thats the case couldnt thay have given it to the stormers coach he has done even better than rassie
we will never have a white coach again isnt that rascist but i dont see the irb stepping in
i mean i not saying we should have to have a white coach but best mane for the job
not best skin colour
July 28th 2010 @ 12:15pm
adam said | July 28th 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
and why dont the boks have an iphone app like the wallabies and all blacks
July 28th 2010 @ 2:26pm
RedsNut said | July 28th 2010 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Just read this.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/rugby-union/all-blacks-captain-richie-mccaw-vows-to-push-boundaries-despite-cheat-claims/story-e6frepm6-1225897707522
Let’s see just how much he “cheats” this weekend
July 28th 2010 @ 5:14pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | July 28th 2010 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
Jake White was no genius.
The Springboks of 2006 were a terrible side, and the World Champion Boks of 2007 were the worst side to win the World Cup. They were a solid side (that played very well against England when they won 36-0) that didn’t have to do anything risky or overly skillful to win the World Cup.
Zinzan Brooke said it best when he said that the World Cup was for South Africa to lose once New Zealand were eliminated and Australia were exposed (and eliminated). Zinzan understood this was a side that could win without having to play all that well.
As for de Villiers…
As I’ve said, the Boks have problems. He doesn’t seem to want to admit to that. de Villiers is being exposed as a poor selector right now. Until the Boks make changes, they won’t be going anywhere.
July 28th 2010 @ 11:02pm
Eagle said | July 28th 2010 @ 11:02pm | Report comment
Mr O’Keeffe, the side that won the 2007 world cup has since won a tri nations and a B&I Lions tour.
Can you please nominate for me how many other RWC winning sides achieved the same subsequently?
July 28th 2010 @ 11:50pm
ohtani's jacket said | July 28th 2010 @ 11:50pm | Report comment
What’s so impressive about that? The previous two champions, Australia and England, accomplished even more.
July 29th 2010 @ 5:42am
Eagle said | July 29th 2010 @ 5:42am | Report comment
Enlighten me please, about these mighty achievements.
July 29th 2010 @ 6:00am
Ben S said | July 29th 2010 @ 6:00am | Report comment
England:
2000: 6N title – drawn series with SA in SA
2001: 6N title
2002: record defeat of SA (53-3) – home victory over NZ
2003: 6N title (Grand Slam); World Cup title – 14 match winning streak – consecutive away victories over NZ & Australia – record victory over Scotland
England’s WC victory was a crowning glory of an ageing side. There’s no contrast with this current SA side, of which was meant to be on an upward curve from the 07 WC onward. Incidentally, I don’t recall the 1999 WC winning Wallabies finishing last in the 2000 3N…
July 29th 2010 @ 6:11am
Eagle said | July 29th 2010 @ 6:11am | Report comment
If you want to look at worst ever, then the 2002 Springbok side that played in that 14 man vs 15 man match at Twickenham and lost by 50, was probably the worst ever Springbok side.
July 28th 2010 @ 11:54pm
Hayden said | July 28th 2010 @ 11:54pm | Report comment
It depends on your definition of subsequent. The fact is, since 2007, the Boks had a pretty average year in 2008, just managed to beat a stitched together B&I side, won the 3N in style, and then imploded on their NH tour in 2009. Since then, a couple of wins against Italy and 3 absolute thrashings so far in this 3N. That makes them about as predictable as a P addict.
July 29th 2010 @ 5:54am
Eagle said | July 29th 2010 @ 5:54am | Report comment
Subsequent simply means after the RWC win. You missed the little win over France in June.
July 29th 2010 @ 6:02am
Ben S said | July 29th 2010 @ 6:02am | Report comment
Did you miss the Argentine victory over France? The same Argentina that lost 0-2 at home to Scotland, btw. You’re being overly simplistic.
July 29th 2010 @ 6:13am
Eagle said | July 29th 2010 @ 6:13am | Report comment
No. I just completed the list of the Bok matches for the 2010 season set out by Hayden.
July 29th 2010 @ 6:31am
Ben S said | July 29th 2010 @ 6:31am | Report comment
And it doesn’t really add much to your argument – a one off excellent result. That really is the thrust of the issue, and reflects the SA record post-1997.
July 29th 2010 @ 6:42am
Ben S said | July 29th 2010 @ 6:42am | Report comment
excuse me… ‘post 2007′
July 29th 2010 @ 4:28pm
Eagle said | July 29th 2010 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
You are most welcome to your opinions. I simply pointed out the casual way facts are handled in these murky quarters when making derogatory comments about Springboks. I never argued that the 2007 Boks where the best side to win a RWC. I simply offered you an opportunity to justify the casual and popular NZ/Aus/Eng (losers of 2007) claim that those Boks where the worst team ever to win a RWC. In fact the core of those players hold more titles and trophies than most international players. Worst ever just is not borne out by the facts. It highlights simple prejudice and jealousy that would fit well in a junior school playground.
July 29th 2010 @ 8:35pm
Ben S said | July 29th 2010 @ 8:35pm | Report comment
‘In fact the core of those players hold more titles and trophies than most international players. Worst ever just is not borne out by the facts. It highlights simple prejudice and jealousy that would fit well in a junior school playground.’
That’s not even true, though. The 1999 Wallabies had the WC, the 2000 & 2001 3N, and also beat the Lions. You’re cherrypicking loose events and trying to forge an era of SA excellence that never happened. It’s quite a simple argument: the 1999 Wallabies and 2003 Australian side had three consecutive seasons of dominance each. SA won the 2007 WC with two 3N titles 5 seasons apart.
July 28th 2010 @ 6:29pm
Matt said | July 28th 2010 @ 6:29pm | Report comment
Other good teams beating NZ in a WC year on foreign soil – fine. In NZ’s backyard with NZ on form and youth coming through in a WC year – forget it.
July 29th 2010 @ 3:51am
Photon said | July 29th 2010 @ 3:51am | Report comment
OJ with all due respect the only world champions who have performed better than this Bok side once becoming champions is the Aussies. England where quite frankly abysmal once they became champions. Frank, as for the whole the boks didn’t have to do anything to win well they did the one thing no one else could do and comfortably on two different occasions. Pummel the Poms. It’s irrelevant what might have happened had they met someone else, they beat Argentina who beat france who beat the all blacks and they beat england who beat australia. It’s not their fault their fellow tri nations cracked under the pressure. Now many people say will say England were useless, but they ignore the fact that world tournaments invariably favour substance over style, that’s why Germany has been to more fifa world cup finals, and England to more rugby world cup finals, than anyone else why the All Blacks, Brazil (except when they playing boring technically correct football) invariably crash.
July 29th 2010 @ 5:23am
Ben S said | July 29th 2010 @ 5:23am | Report comment
I think you’re missing the point. Australia was dominant from 99-01. England was dominant from 00-03. The pair were both dominant for basically three consecutive seasons each. The current SA side cannot match that. SA were OK in 05, terrible in 06, poor in 07, and then they won a WC. Then they were terrible in 08 and good in 09, but even then they still had lows in 09 that neither Australia nor England had. England’s WC win was the crowning achievement for that side, which basically disbanded immediately. Only Du Randt and Montgomery dropped out of the SA side post-07.
July 29th 2010 @ 5:40am
miguel said | July 29th 2010 @ 5:40am | Report comment
The bitterness over the 2007 world cup doesnt make any sense. First off its extremely insulting to say that the boks won without facing any real competition, because that dismisses all the pacific island nations and argentina. If the only teams worth beating are New Zealand and Australia how can you blame south africa for their defeats to France and England.
Kiwis can moan all they want about the results, but theyre not the only team worth playing.