What will the Socceroos look like in 2014?
By mothy, 28 Jul 2010 mothy is a Roar Rookie
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Argentina's Ezequiel Lavezzi, left, scores the winning goal as Australia's Matthew Spiranovic (5) defends. AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko
Now that the World Cup is over and everyone has recovered from a sleep-deprived month, how would we summarise the Socceroos’ performance? I would say we started with a poor performance against Germany followed by two strong performances against Ghana and Serbia.
We were dealt a difficult hand, and despite a worthy effort, we missed out on the group stage on goal difference due to the 4-0 loss to Germany.
On reflection, I think the final standings were about what was expected, with Australia, Serbia and Ghana all very close on points and Germany topping the group.
But that’s in the past now.
What about the future? What can we expect from the Socceroos in Brazil 2014? How is our squad shaping up?
It’s a long way off yet, but let’s look at who we will lose from the 2010 squad and who might replace them. Let’s start with the obvious: we are guaranteed to lose Craig Moore and Scott Chipperfield to retirement and I think we are also likely to lose Lucas Neill, Brett Emerton, Michael Beauchamp, Richard Garcia and Harry Kewell.
Tim Cahill, Mark Bresciano and Vince Grella may make the squad, but they will not be the same players they are today. It seems like a huge amount of talent to lose, but we don’t yet know how well the next crop may develop over the next four years.
Who do we have that can step up to the next level for 2014? Let’s look at a 4-4-2 formation and see who could cover each position.
Left Back: David Carney has shown he is capable of filling this role and I sincerely hope that over the next four years Scott Jamieson can lift his game to the level required to challenge Carney for this position.
Right Back: Rhys Williams would have been in the 2010 squad if not for injury and if Luke Wilkshire is not up to it at 32 in four years time, we have a good backup.
Central Defense: Mark Milligan is capable of doing the job and I hope that over the next four years both Matthew Spiranovic and Shane Lowry can reach the level required to fight for the second position. If experience is needed, at 33 years of age in 2014, we can possibly use Michael Beauchamp in his third World Cup.
Left Wing: Everyone is talking about Tommy Oar and in truth he looks like a very promising prospect. We can only hope that over the next four year he is able to gain the experience required and show that he can perform consistently in the Eredivisie with FC Utrecht.
Oliver Bozanic is another left winger that has potential.
Right Wing: Dario Vidosic was bitterly disappointed not to get any game time in South Africa and has shown he can perform at international level. With another four years experience he represents another good prospect.
Central Midfield: At 29, Jason Culina has said he has another five or six years in him. There is no doubting his quality and I think he is a realistic contender for a central midfield position. Carl Valeri has also shown he is capable of filling this role and Mile Jedinak can also challenge for this position.
Strikers: I still think Scott McDonald has the ability to score goals for the Socceroos. I just hope he is given more chances. We know Josh Kennedy can score with head, but I’d like to see him improve his foot skills.
Playing with Nagoya Grampus in Japan, I hope will be able to do that.
I think this pair have the potential to form a formidable strike combination. The question is whether the potential can be fulfilled. If not, we have other prospects like Nikita Rukavytsya, Nathan Burns and Bruce Djite.
So all things considered, here is a potential Socceroos team for 2014:
Defenders: Rhys Williams, Matthew Spiranovic, Mark Milligan, David Carney
Midfielders: Dario Vidosic, Jason Culina, Carl Valeri, Tommy Oar
Strikers: Scott McDonald, Josh Kennedy
The above shows that we have players capable of filling all positions on the park and I think this is a high quality team. But is it world class?
At this stage, I think this remains to be seen, but with another four years experience to come, I think we have good reason to be excited about the future. I intend to revisit this in February after the AFC Asian Cup, so I will be very interested to see if much changes between now and then.
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July 28th 2010 @ 2:45am
Ben said | July 28th 2010 @ 2:45am | Report comment
Why have you completely ignored goalkeepers?
July 28th 2010 @ 9:29am
sheek said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Yes, don’t goalkeepers count… ?
Your field players are solid, but I sure as hell hope 2-3 outstanding youngsters (outside those mentioned) stand up in the next 3-4 years. And we might need one or both of Kewell & Cahill for experience & to guide the youngsters.
July 28th 2010 @ 9:34am
AndyRoo said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Cahill has a contract with Everton until 2014 so he will probably be their though I wouldn’t put my house on it because it’s quite a physical league.
July 28th 2010 @ 9:32am
AndyRoo said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:32am | Report comment
No Holminho?
He seems a certaintity for Right Midfiled which means you have Vidosic and Oar as cover for left midfield, one of them should be doing allright by 2014.
A lot can change in 4 years e.g Oar went from not being in the first team at the Roar to being a Socceroo in one season.
If I had to take a stab at it my guess would be
GK Federicci, Langerak and Galekovic (no chance i’m right there though as we have many prospects)
Def Spiranovic, Devere, Milligan, Lowry, Williams, Carney, Davidson, Wilkshire
Mid Jedinek, Valeri, Burns, Holman, Vidosic, Cahill, Kilkenny and Oar
Fwd Ruka, Macdonald, Kennedy and Djite
July 28th 2010 @ 9:50am
Realfootball said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:50am | Report comment
I am sure that there is a whole new crop of players who will come into the frame. Anyone who is 16 or over now is a potential 2014 player – look at Muller for Germany.
My hunch is that the 2014s finals side will look quite different to the one you have suggested. Milligan is certainly not up to the mark and will not be there. I don’t believe that Kennedy or MacDonald will start either – neither is international class. Valeri is only a middling player, playing second tier at the prime of his career. Culina’s main asset is his workrate, and he won’t have that in 2014, and I expect we have better options. Carney can’t crack a starting berth either in the Championship or in Holland, and really isn’t international class (he is questionable defensively and is regularly exposed by fast wingers).
Williams plays midfield central for his club and if you have seen him play there, you would be sure, as I am, that he will play in the center of mid for Australia, likely next to Wilkshire.
My pick for the front two is Rukavytsia and Nathan Burns. Now that is a seriously quick front two. Put Oar and Vidosic on the flanks and at last we have what we have not had for a long, long time – a Socceroos team with pace. Frankly, at 34 I don’t see how Cahill starts in this team.
July 28th 2010 @ 9:59am
AndyRoo said | July 28th 2010 @ 9:59am | Report comment
The only thing I disagree with is Valeri, I quite like him and have been impressed.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the captain because Wilkshire (the best on field candidate) doesn’t really love the media attention.
And thankfully we now have more options than just 4-2-3-1, especially if Cahill is rested.
Picking a team for 2014 is a real **** shot but at least we can name an 11 of players who would be a decent age by 2014. So I’m now pretty confident we will have a decent team because we just need some quality to emerge that improves it and I am much more worried about who the coach is rather than the players.
I selected all the eligible guys from the 2010 squad though because their the incumbents so it’s their position to lose.
July 28th 2010 @ 12:15pm
stevo said | July 28th 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
“David Carney has shown he is capable of filling this role”
maybe the attacking side of being a wing back, but in recent games he has been regularly found out defensively. if you want carney at left back you need 2 very good, very quick central defenders to cover him
July 28th 2010 @ 1:32pm
Realfootball said | July 28th 2010 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Carney is a failed winger (not fast enough) who has converted to left back, and it shows. A pretty ordinary footballer.
July 28th 2010 @ 8:23pm
Fisher Price said | July 28th 2010 @ 8:23pm | Report comment
Yep. He was awful against Ghana. Not surprised, though.
July 28th 2010 @ 10:09am
Joey said | July 28th 2010 @ 10:09am | Report comment
IMO, this would be the strongest team going into 2014. it still has some experience in there to balance out with the youth (A 4-4-2, with a diamond shaped midfield):
————————Federici——————–
Wilkshire—–Williams—–Spiranovic—Carney
————————-Valeri———————–
Vidosic——————————————Oar
————————-Cahill————————-
—————McDonald——Rukavytsya———
Langerak
Jones
Davidson
Milligan
Lowry
Kantarovski
Jedinak
Burns
Holman
Holland
Kennedy
Leckie
July 28th 2010 @ 12:40pm
mintox said | July 28th 2010 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
- Wilkshere will be 32 in 2014, he won’t have the pace to keep up with the best wingers in the world, much as Chippers struggled against Germany. If he plays at all it will be in a holding midfield role as he has done for club in recent seasons.
- Williams is a right back
- Spiranovic has yet to prove he is good enough in the german league let alone for the national team. He shows promise but promise isn’t enough at international level.
- Oar, the same as Spiranovic, he’s too young to be saying whether or not he will make it, he could end up being the next Troisi and dissapearing off the radar.
- Cahill does not play at the top of the diamond in a 4-4-2 (if we even go with the out dated 4-4-2 formation), he plays off the striker, arriving late in the box. I’ve been a little perturbed at how much credit Cahill is given as a midfielder when he’s very ordinary in build up play, his strength has, and always will be, his ability to arrive late and score goals.
- Rukavystya, again same as Oar and Spiranovic, you’re picking him on what you think he can do rather than him actually performing on the big stage. Holman has done more than enough to prove that he has taken the mantle of our best striking option.
July 28th 2010 @ 1:35pm
Realfootball said | July 28th 2010 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Good points about Cahill. I agree. He actually doesn’t do much in general play, and if he didn’t score goals he wouldn’t be in the team. I just don’t see Cahill at 34 being up to it – the way he plays requires a very high degree of athleticism, and he won’t have that in 2014.
July 28th 2010 @ 6:00pm
Joey said | July 28th 2010 @ 6:00pm | Report comment
Who says that Williams is a right back? At Middlesborough he plays as a CB and a CM. Wilkshire is a completely different player compared to Chipperfield. He is much like Emerton, where he has Natural Fitness, which will keep him going till 2014. Of course you cannot say that Oar, Spiranovic, and Rukavytsya may not live up to the hype. But isn’t that same case for anyone else? I don’t think anyone was predicting Valeri, Holman to perform as well as they did in 2010. In 2006, no one had even heard of them. The same goes for Kennedy in 06.
I am just basing this really on potential, other wise what is the point of even talking about this topic?
July 28th 2010 @ 6:27pm
mintox said | July 28th 2010 @ 6:27pm | Report comment
If the national team has to rely on players that are past their prime for the World Cup, either the development system isn’t doing its job OR the player must be an exceptional player.
This world cup was simple proof, we used Moore at CB because we had nothing else, we used Chippers at LB because Carney wasn’t good enough. But the new system hasn’t been in long enough to produce it’s first generation of players.
The same thing applies to Wikshere, if at 32 he is the best choice at right back, then there is something wrong with our system.
Yes your basing it on potential but then why bother putting it in a formation, is it not enough to simply identify the best players and see where they go.
July 29th 2010 @ 12:36pm
Mr Burns said | July 29th 2010 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
You’re drawing a long bow to say 32 is too old for an international fullback. Capdevila for Spain is 32 and I didn’t see him struggling too much.
July 29th 2010 @ 1:03pm
mintox said | July 29th 2010 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
If at the age of 32 Wilkshere is starting at right back for a team in the Serie A, Premier League or Primera Liga AND the Socceroos have captivated the world with their superior skill and ability to stifle the life out of their opponents by holding posession for the majority of the game then by all means he should be in the team.
Capdeveila didn’t struggle because Spain were the best team at the cup. They kept the ball for so long that no one could attack against them. He had such good players around him that even if he made a mistake there would be someone of equal or better ability around him to cover.
I’d like to believe that the technical and tactical ability of our Socceroos in 2014 will be better than 2010 BUT I doubt it’s going to be good enough for us to play him at full back.
July 28th 2010 @ 10:37am
Ben of Phnom Penh said | July 28th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
I’m struggling to think how we’ll line up in Qatar, much less 2014 should we qualify (let’s not forget that minor detail shall we)
July 28th 2010 @ 10:52am
Realfootball said | July 28th 2010 @ 10:52am | Report comment
I personally think the future looks very exciting for our national team. Some tremendous young talent coming through, and the depth will only improve with the NYL in full swing now. I read the match report from the U20s win over Korea and thought that there could be some really exciting young guns in the mix for 2014 – names that we are only just starting to here now.
My hunch is that our 2014 team will make our 2010 WC team look very, very pedestrian – which it was. And thankfully there will be no Pim Verbeek, as by then the Dutchman will no doubt have been deserted in the desert by his last long suffering Moroccan camel.
July 28th 2010 @ 11:16am
mintox said | July 28th 2010 @ 11:16am | Report comment
We need to look forward, any talk of Grella, Bresciano, Cahill or Culina playing in 2014 is nonsense. In the short term we can use them to give the youngsters experience but they will be around 34 in 2014 and we can’t be taken seriously as a football playing nation if a bunch of pensioners are the best we have.
Four years is a long time in football, we can only hope that the young boys who have moved to Europe can develop and maybe even move to bigger clubs. But at the same time, we’ve seen many a player move to Europe and end up moving to smaller clubs (Rukavystya, Troisi)
The list below includes many of the players that have been called up for the socceroos (plus a few others) and will be under the age of 30 by the next World Cup.
Brad Jones (Middlesborough), Galekovic (Adelaide), Bouzanis (Liverpool), Vukovic (Konyaspor), Gulum (Besiktas)
Rhys Williams (Middlesborough), Shane Lowry (Aston Villa)
Scott Jameison (Sydney), Shannon Cole (Sydney), Robbie Cornthwaite (Adelaide), Luke DeVere (Brisbane), Spiranovic (Urawa Red Diamonds), Carney (Twente), Milligan (JEF United), Kennedy (Nagoya)
Thommy Oar (FC Utrecht), James Holand (AZ Alkmaar), Michael Zullo (FC Utrecht), Ben Katarovski (Newcastle), Michael Marrone (Melb Heart), Stuart Musialik (Sydney), Oliver Bozanic (Central Coast), Aaron Mooy (Bolton), Vidosic (Nuremberg), Valeri (Sassuolo), Jedinak (Genclerberligi), Troisi (Kayserispor)
Bruce Djite (Genclerberligi), Mathew Leckie (Adelaide), David Williams (North Queensland), Alex Brosque (Sydney), Scott McDonald (Middlesborough), Rukavystsya (Hertha Berlin), Holman (AZ)
July 28th 2010 @ 1:50pm
Harvey the Scouser said | July 28th 2010 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all those teams look a little light on
July 28th 2010 @ 1:58pm
AndyRoo said | July 28th 2010 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
4 years out that’s to be expected.
Apart from another 4 years of developemnt/experience for those players anyone who guesses 50% correctly has done well.
July 28th 2010 @ 2:39pm
Realfootball said | July 28th 2010 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Our WC team looked light on too. And it was!
But as I said, any kid 16 years and older will be in the frame for the next one, and there are some very talented teenagers coming through.
July 28th 2010 @ 5:16pm
epic_awesomeness said | July 28th 2010 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
jamieson is orite but nothing special, the much better prospect at left-back is Jason Davidson..and it looks like he’s going to be playing a fair decent amount at pacos de ferreira this season as well, also ersan gulum who has just joined besiktas should also be in the mix and why he hasn’t already and he needs to be also because it seems turkey are after him as well and if we lose him that would be simply not good enough..