Did the Wallabies get a pass mark in 2010?
By pjbreck, 3 Dec 2010 pjbreck is a Roar Guru
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Last article I was still pretty scathing of the Wallabies, even though they beat Italy. I think as it was my second post, my pent up frustrations were taken out – perhaps undeservedly. So I think I had better say a few positive things.
What to say after the win against France? Finally!
That is what I have been waiting for – a team that knows when to kick -and kick well- and when to run.
I thought once the front row changed to Robinson and Slipper, it stood out further that the we were not necessarily to blame for scrum collapses. I feel we were a bit hard done by in the first half. The scrum that had Ben Alexander sin binned, I just don’t understand how we can get penalised.
The French No. 1 clearly goes to ground first. What is Alexander to do but to go to ground? Not saying that our scrum was 100 per cent, but once terms were level, we started to hold our own. I think the pack needs both Moore and Polata-Nau.
When to play each will be interesting as both offer so much around the paddock, though Polata-Nau’s mo and fro might give him the edge!
A great scrum, of course, set the backs free. And when unleahsed, they look great.
Early on in his Wallaby career, I was concerned about Kurtley Beale at fullback, but he has made that position his own. He has really matured as a player. I think the freedom he gets at fullback makes him so dangerous.
Quade kicked well and always has the opposition second guessing. That too gives the backs just that little bit extra room.
Adam Ashley-Cooper? I think he has finally found his home in the back line. His running is so direct and strong, and his defence is just great. He needs to be in the defensive line especially when you have SBW and Nonu on the charge.
Not that the rest of the backs were bad – they were all great – but I can only salivate at the prospect of regaining Ioane to give greater grunt. I think he is the final piece in the backline puzzle.
So from a look back over the year perspective, after the injury setbacks and some indifferent form throughout the year, the backs look like they are turning the corner and building an outstanding attacking platform.
As to the forwards, much has be said about the Australian scrum over the last few years. This year we had so many injuries, it was always going to struggle. I think on merit our scrum is getting better – just hope the referees rule on the actual scrum not the perception – not saying it is perfect but getting there.
Some of the forwards have gained invaluable experience this year. James Slipper, Salesi Ma’afu spring straight to mind and things can only improve.
I actually think the Wallabies get a pass mark for the year. There was a lot of learning – doing that BEFORE a World Cup year is good – especially in the front row and in shaping the backline. This should have us in good shape for next year.
I can’t wait for the start of Super Rugby next year, then the World Cup. Let’s hope the Australian teams can dominate the Super 15, giving us the spring board to bring back Bill next year.
Go you Wallabies!
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December 3rd 2010 @ 3:28am
tiwana said | December 3rd 2010 @ 3:28am | Report comment
Appears to me the same outcome as last year, still building, need to be more consistant. Definately a young and skillful team that will be great come 2015 RWC.
December 3rd 2010 @ 5:06am
mickh said | December 3rd 2010 @ 5:06am | Report comment
Pass for sure.
Ranked number 2 with a pathetic scrum and forwards who don’t like hard work.
What does that say for everyone else?
December 3rd 2010 @ 5:09am
Ben S said | December 3rd 2010 @ 5:09am | Report comment
Not much because they didn’t play everybody else.
December 3rd 2010 @ 5:17am
mickh said | December 3rd 2010 @ 5:17am | Report comment
When we next play and get beaten by Romania I’ll understand your reply.
December 3rd 2010 @ 5:22am
Ben S said | December 3rd 2010 @ 5:22am | Report comment
After the England game Australia was ranked 3rd. Australia has only been ranked 2nd under Deans for a very short period. Australia have lost consecutively to England, once at home and once away – a record loss. England were then ranked 6th. What does that say for everyone else? Aside from New Zealand the rest of world rugby has presented some very inconsistent results over the past few seasons. Case closed. So what does Australia being ranked 2nd say for everyone else? Absolutely nothing. Not a thing.
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:33pm
John P said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Apart from the obvious Ben S, that under whatever ranking system the IRB use, the Wallabies are the second placed team in the world. This is of course ignoring your complicated analysis of the situation.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:38pm
Ben S said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
This kept cropping up a few weeks ago much to the chagrin of various Roarers. That Australia can be number 2 one week and then number 3 the 2nd week doesn’t really lend itself to the idea that there is a cemented 2nd best side in the world. So, going back to the ‘point’ of mickh, the current standing of Australia in the IRB rankings says very little about world rugby.
December 3rd 2010 @ 9:32pm
goldenbull said | December 3rd 2010 @ 9:32pm | Report comment
The thing about Ben S is he has the unability to look forward. The point in mentioning they are scond in the world for now is that Deans has taken the team from 5th to 2nd as of now.
December 3rd 2010 @ 10:17pm
Ben S said | December 3rd 2010 @ 10:17pm | Report comment
The thing about goldenbull is that he doesn’t seem to know it’s rude to refer to people in that manner. Beyond that, what goldebull is saying doesn’t make a great deal of sense.
Btw, FYI when Deans announced that he was going to take over the Wallabies they were ranked 5th due to the World Cup. Following the 2008 6N without any involvement from Deans the Wallabies were then ranked 3rd prior to any 3N games being played. Is that champagne corks I hear popping?
December 4th 2010 @ 12:02am
ohtani's jacket said | December 4th 2010 @ 12:02am | Report comment
I’m sorry to hear about your unability, Benjamin.
December 5th 2010 @ 6:36am
Terry Kidd said | December 5th 2010 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Lol … good point
December 5th 2010 @ 6:36am
Terry Kidd said | December 5th 2010 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Lol …. good point
December 3rd 2010 @ 6:30am
jeremy said | December 3rd 2010 @ 6:30am | Report comment
Yes they did pass, redeeming themselves through the tail end of tri-nations and securing a win against the ABs in HK.
I wouldn’t say it was a defining year or even a massively successful year but they got themselves back on track by and large. Inconsistency is costing them momentum.
December 3rd 2010 @ 7:18am
Ben S said | December 3rd 2010 @ 7:18am | Report comment
I think that’s a pretty fair analysis.
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:35pm
John P said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Jeremy,
They beat the ALl Blacks for the first time in ten years, winning a close fixture that in the recent past the All Blacks have always had the belief and experience to win. This was a hurdle that needed to be overcome coming into RWC year, a fact which hasnt been lost on anyone i think. That is defining.
A record win against the six nationc champions in France is defining, will the All Blacks have the same confidence against the french come World Cup year, perhaps?
December 3rd 2010 @ 2:03pm
Jason said | December 3rd 2010 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Ten years? You mean tests…
What do you mean by ‘same confidence’? Until the French gave up at the 67min mark the Test was still in the balance. France are still capable of playing well against a team playing poorly and winning. New Zealand won’t be treating them like Canada or Japan…
December 6th 2010 @ 9:44am
pjbreck said | December 6th 2010 @ 9:44am | Report comment
JP, i suggest that any time the ABs face France in a RWC game they will be nervous…..
I agree with you Jeremy. If they can get some fire and drive in the forwards, they will do well. I like Stillmists comments on Horwill and Vickerman. Both will be inspirational and will provide the firing up of the other forwards.
December 3rd 2010 @ 2:52pm
Ooaahh said | December 3rd 2010 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Jp 10 games last win against abs was 2008
December 3rd 2010 @ 5:36pm
jeremy said | December 3rd 2010 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
John,
France run either white hot or freezing cold so I don’t read a lot into that game, the best part of the performance was that the Wallabies could execute the coup des grace without stumbling or letting France back into the game. But the scrum got monstered and worse still was responsible for 7 points (the penalty try).
Against the All Blacks, christ, who knows. The French either turn into cheese-eating surrender-monkeys or get up and play, they’ve beaten NZ in NZ relatively recently, but also had 40 points posted on them in Marseilles.
December 4th 2010 @ 9:08am
Ben S said | December 4th 2010 @ 9:08am | Report comment
‘A record win against the six nationc champions in France is defining’
The 6N was played under the former law interpretations. Since that championship France has lost 42-17 to South Africa and 41-13 to Argentina.
December 5th 2010 @ 6:39am
Terry Kidd said | December 5th 2010 @ 6:39am | Report comment
and a second loss to England within 12 months was a definite slap in the face
December 3rd 2010 @ 4:21pm
WANNA BE AN AB said | December 3rd 2010 @ 4:21pm | Report comment
I would’nt say one win defines their potential for next years WC, that is what Aussies lamblast the English for isn’t it?
Back on track “YEAH RIGHT”, you cannot be serious…………………….
I thought the ABs had a few flaws in their game that they need to work on, one can only imagine what I think of the amount of flaws the Wobblies have……………….
On the positive side they did actually have a couple of good wins, but your right, they totally lack consistancy.
December 3rd 2010 @ 7:34am
stillmissit said | December 3rd 2010 @ 7:34am | Report comment
I agree that it was a pass mark and anyone can see a huge improvement in the backs . The forwards however are a different kettle of stuff. They are the BIG problem. They often prefer to opt out of the breakdowns and apart from Pocock, Elsom and Moore the hard work is just not embraced by these guys.
I look forward to having Vickerman and Horwill back, that will give us more grunt and between them they may set an example so that the other bludgers (ie Robinson) will get off their ‘I’m in the defensive line’ arses and attack the breakdowns and set pieces with commitment and brains.
Until we have a strong and willing pack we are only an outside chance of winning the World Cup next year. With it we are 50/50.
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:36pm
John P said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
No doubt that Horwill and Palu will bring back alot more ‘presence’ at the breakdown. Very impressed by the carrying game of the Wallabies forwards in the French game, expecially Pocock. It was this I think that laid the platform for the usual outstanding play from the backs.
December 3rd 2010 @ 2:18pm
el gamba said | December 3rd 2010 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
I thought it noticable in the first half v France that our pack struggled to make the advantage line either side of the ruck. This meant that the team was going sideways when playing a couple of channels out in turn meaning that the width was not there for our talent out wide. Conversely, the likes of Chabal for the French were getting in behind us at the side of the ruck giving them more width to attack with. Luckily they didn’t have the talent, choosing big ponderous centres, to capitalise.
In the second half, the French seemed to tire slightly and some better option taking had us wasting less time banging our head around the fringes and moved the French around with better kicking and mid-field hit ups. This got us going forward and created opportunities for hard straight running (AAC excelled) and a chance to showcase skills in broken play.
It was nice to see that the guys kept focus and had faith in a system that paid dividends in the back quarter of the game, an area of real concern previously.
If they remember that the game is 80 minutes as they did against France, a good pass for the year.
December 5th 2010 @ 6:45am
Terry Kidd said | December 5th 2010 @ 6:45am | Report comment
I want to see this pack … if all are fit and in form …
Robinnson LH
Moore
Slipper
Vickerman
Horwill
Elsom
Pocock
Palu
Bench …
Polata Nau
Alexander
Simmons
Higginbotham
McCalman
Yep, that is a 5 man forward bench but my backs on the bench would be Giteau and Ione because they can cover multiple positions.
December 6th 2010 @ 9:32am
pjbreck said | December 6th 2010 @ 9:32am | Report comment
What about the return of Rodney Blake? Could he be the answer?
December 3rd 2010 @ 7:52am
sixo_clock said | December 3rd 2010 @ 7:52am | Report comment
There is still a lot of progress to be made on core strength, fitness and teamwork. We almost always have the necessary Firepower but building it into a cohesive single-minded aggressive purposeful unit is and always will be a problem with Australian sides.
This maybe Dingos only misunderstanding. Australians are individualists first and way too self-conscious to do all the little things that teamsmanship demands, we don’t want to seen as conchies and sprint when a trot would be soooooo much more cool. We don’t want everyone laughing at us because we care about excellence. But look at any successful side (or person) and that is exactly how they go about their business. Think NFJ and JE & co.
If the individual underperforming Wallabies do decide to cross the work ethic divide and bond into such a team then only misfortune stands in our way. Whatever elements resist or undermine this process must be purged soon.
Last test season: 58%. Pass but could do better.
Comments: Little Ozzie daydreams too much to realise his full potential, talks too much during training and not enough during tests.
ps: I love Rocky but is learning leadership way too slowly. A progressive step would give the ‘C’ to Barnes along with the 12 Guersey and build from there. The captaincy has to be away from the weakest element (scrum).
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:38pm
John P said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
Terrible idea to change captain a year out from the RWC and ill think youll find that Rocky is a much more respected member of the Wallabies camp then perhaps Berrick Barnes. If you watch any of the clips on RugbyTV it si pretty evident that these young guys are forming the core of a really great squad and that the belief in the camp is growin week to week, cannot wait to see some of these guys after another year of super rugby.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:11am
Gary Russell-Sharam said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:11am | Report comment
I see it the same as stillmissit, the exception being that I will wait until the proof of the pudding in relation to how Horwill Vickerman and Palu come back from injury and sabbatical. I have huge doubts whether Vickerman can cut the mustard after 2+ years playing park footy for Oxford. I look at Robinson and Alexander as examples, they are both back from injury (not as serious as Horwill or Palu) and both are seriously out of form. Robinson had a fair second half of Rugby in the French game but struggled mightily in previous games as did Alexander. I am not saying these boys aren’t good players its just that forward in general take time to come back from serious injury if they ever do. Some just don’t get their mojo back at all. So while we all ramp up the coming back of the injured, I am not that confident. Personally I’d be hoping some of the young blokes stand up or someone like Blake comes into the picture, or Simmonds to come on after the tour or someone like Greg Holmes to resurrect his form from 2+ years ago (him being another example of big blokes not getting their mojo back). I think without a pack that is at least on parity to the others we have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the WC. You can have all the wizard back you want but if they are not getting ball from the forwards they won’t stand a chance.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:18am
stillmissit said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Interesting Gary. Maybe it takes longer than it used to in my day. I seem to remember guys coming back from Knee ops and being back in the groove within 4 weeks.
Deans should set the agenda for the forwards in terms of what he wants out of the pack and then communicate that with all the S coaches. Then he can continue to be hands on with the backs whilst keeping a watching brief on the forwards and their coaches.
Might be worthwhile for the ARU to organise a one off meeting of all the coaches for this world cup year coming.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:25am
Ben S said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:25am | Report comment
I think Robinson has struggled because he isn’t fit enough for the new law interpretations. The Australian scrum was better than it had been in nearly two decades under the previous laws which stilted ball-in-hand play. Australia played a conservative brand of rugby at that juncture, and so did the Waratahs. All of a sudden Robinson has been pushed into Test rugby that is moving at a pace greater than what he has experienced before.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:29am
Jason said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Ben certainly isn’t helped by propping one side of the scrum in Super Rugby and the other at Test level. That’s about the strangest selection/ coaching decision I’ve witnessed.
December 5th 2010 @ 6:54am
Terry Kidd said | December 5th 2010 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Robinnson or Alexander … Robinnson only plays LH at all levels
December 6th 2010 @ 9:37am
Jason said | December 6th 2010 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Which would leave..?
December 3rd 2010 @ 11:22am
JB said | December 3rd 2010 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Vickerman seems pretty hungry as well – could be the difference…
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:40pm
John P said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Not entirely convinced by the Vickerman as saviour argument, maybe if he was coming back for the whole season of Super, but for the last couple of rounds, but come on seriously? People are wondering whether or not Fat Cat is fit enough for the new laws, how well is Vickerman going to adapt? I would prefer to see us invest in Simmons, who was outstanding in both test outings (he even called in the French game)
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:27am
Geoff Brisbane said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Improvement in back line is evident still /defensive lapses. Forwards need a kick up the backside and told if you aren’t going to perform at the highest level week in and week out make room for someone who is at least willing. Pride not quite evident in representing a great country and there have been glimpses of real passion but too inconsistent by far. Mental attitude needs to be toughened.
There have been improvements but somehow still see real danger in lack of depth across the board I know that all points back to grassroots rugby but so be it.
Would love to see the NZ Maori tour through Australia next year as a warm up for the season, their style and no-nonsense approach would help sharpen the edge required for next year.
What do people think???
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:20pm
tiwana said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
no, maori are’nt their to sharpen up the aussies – the maori can play the ABs, definately
December 3rd 2010 @ 1:41pm
John P said | December 3rd 2010 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Never going to happen Tiwana and you know that. But yes indeed it would be great to see the AB’s play the Maori. The more fixtures of a high level (like the Wallabies) the Maori can get the better in the end for New Zealand Rugby as well.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:32am
Jason said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Just on the scrum; if it’s in trouble against every other nation, then Occam’s Razor suggests it’s not a conspiracy, they are in fact that bad.
December 3rd 2010 @ 8:59am
the woodster said | December 3rd 2010 @ 8:59am | Report comment
the woodster says….they get a mark but not just any mark a skid mark although the woodster does find this team intriguing, they hold the key to the bottomless pit of bad and inconsistent performances. but come next year they’ll be contenders…
December 3rd 2010 @ 9:09am
Justin said | December 3rd 2010 @ 9:09am | Report comment
Can someone confirm Vickerman is playing S15 next year?
December 3rd 2010 @ 9:24am
Jason said | December 3rd 2010 @ 9:24am | Report comment
He’s supposed to be joining the Waratahs after he finishes his studies in June next year. I can’t see why, the Waratahs already have five locks in their squad without him. I just can’t see how he can possibly come up to speed and push for Wallaby selection with what will be a few weeks of football.
December 3rd 2010 @ 10:07am
stillmissit said | December 3rd 2010 @ 10:07am | Report comment
Jason – If I am any judge of human nature he will be there subject to injury. He is a serious player who like you has concerns about his ability to make it as well, still he seemed excited about the prospect and I am keeping fingers and toes crossed for him to be back.
He is also keeping himself very fit. At the very least he will be an important player to have in the Waratahs.
December 3rd 2010 @ 10:20am
Jason said | December 3rd 2010 @ 10:20am | Report comment
I don’t doubt his professionalism, nor his desire. But plenty of ex-internationals have gone north, continued playing first class rugby and have failed to be at the same level they were prior to their departure. Vickerman hasn’t played any rugby if we’re honest. It doesn’t matter how fit he makes himself, he isn’t match fit and won’t be getting that back in a hurry. I think the window of opportunity is far too small.
If I were a Wallabies supporter, I’d be more concerned about Horwill.
December 3rd 2010 @ 9:28am
Justin said | December 3rd 2010 @ 9:28am | Report comment
In answering my own question he isnt on the Tahs squad list for next year.
If he isnt playing S15 then why are people even mentioning him as a Wallaby. Its madness IMO.
December 3rd 2010 @ 9:33am
stillmissit said | December 3rd 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Hi Justin – He will be playing the second half of the S14 and has signed with the Waratahs. I guess his name is not on the squad yet as he won’t be back until after his final exams. I am not sure but I thought it was May? A Roarer with a better memory than me will remember the article.
December 3rd 2010 @ 9:35am
Justin said | December 3rd 2010 @ 9:35am | Report comment
O thanks for that. He is cutting it mighty fine and would need to be showing some real form by the end of the S15. He will be praying the Tahs make finals to get him as many matches as possible.
December 3rd 2010 @ 12:36pm
IronAwe said | December 3rd 2010 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
It is my understanding he will only be available for the last two games of the season, unless the tahs make the finals he will get a few more games, if indeed he makes the run on team. I’m really not holding my breath for his form next year, maybe 2012, but I think next year will be a big ask for him