New guard at Victory have their work cut out
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These are interesting times at the A-League’s powerhouse club Melbourne Victory. The club has been seen an example to other clubs in its stability and outlook.
The club retains the last surviving inaugural coach in Ernie Merrick, and while some commentators are criticising the playing culture in the wake of Kevin Muscat’s tackle on Adrian Zahra, it cannot be denied that Merrick in conjunction with Gary Cole have run a very progressive football department.
Not only has it brought in the likes of Fred and Carlos Hernandez amongst others but also has been the first to look meaningfully towards South East Asia in the acquisition of Surat Sukha.
Off the pitch, Melbourne Victory along with the Central Coast Mariners have been excellently run and have managed to maintain both profitability and a high membership base. To show for this good quality stability, Melbourne Victory have two championships, two premierships, a pre-season cup and an extra grand final appearance to boot.
But the first era is now drawing to a close. Former CEO Geoff Miles, who joined the club in the A-League’s second season, left his post on December 31, 2010 after a successful four-year stint. He was always going to be a tough act to follow given the way he had earned respect from Victory fans, despite some controversial times.
Melbourne’s inaugural chairman Geoff Lord has effectively announced he is stepping down from day-to-day affairs, having been given the respectful yet purely ceremonial post of “honorary chairman”.
Mention also needs to be made of the movement out of the club of Tony Ising, the man who effectively made way for Trent Jacobs following structural reform at Victory following the failed title defence of season three.
The new guard will comprise of Richard Wilson as CEO and Anthony Di Petrio as chairman.
Wilson will have just two months to oversee a squad overhaul and guide the transition from the Muscat phase into a new era. During his initial months, he must also contend with various problems engulfing the club, on and off the park.
Off the park, there is a question as to why the fan base at large has become much more apathetic. It is true to say that the new Heart franchise has cannibalised and trimmed a few thousand fans, but Victory still managed to secure over 18,000 members for the 2010/2011 season.
Despite this, crowds have progressively dipped below not only the 18,000 mark throughout the season, but now at the point where some attendances are well below the figures the club was attaining in its inaugural season. Victory averaged 14,000 in that season – with the lowest crowd being 11,000 on a Monday night against the old New Zealand Knights – despite having in the region of 6000 members.
Contrary to the absurd suggestion on the Fox Sports broadcast at the end of the match against Gold Coast at AAMI Park, and what some uneducated Sydney based commentators would like to contend as part of their own agenda, this has nothing to do with the so-called ‘Muscat culture’.
Putting aside the argument that the ‘culture’ existed during the boom years and obviously wasn’t a turn off, the real reason relates more to the issues that come with a lack of general admission areas in the club’s seating plan and a general sense of apathy in the A-League fan base as a whole given the “novelty” has worn off.
The crowds had been stagnating long before the tackle on Zahra and the poor crowd for the match against Gold Coast.
Then there is the matter that relations with the last organised group to remain in the somewhat relatively famous North Terrace area – the Blue and White brigade – seem to have finally collapsed after years of sustained tension with active fans. The North Terrace for Victory’s last home game of the season was completely empty, the atmosphere eerily silent given the irregular chanting of the south end fans.
Wilson’s predecessor Geoff Miles had to contend with a standoff with North Terrace active fans basing themselves on level three of Docklands stadium during the A League’s third season.
Miles managed to reach an agreement (that was controversially overturned by the FFA on the basis of a security review that was conducted on their behalf) but Wilson is in a more precarious situation.
The debate amongst the football media in recent years has not given much focus to the detrimental impact that both the FFA’s security strategy via the Hatamoto consultancy firm and the policing profile adopted at A-League matches, has had on the fan experience for A-League attendees (active and otherwise).
What sets the latest situation apart from season three is that aside from the predictable partisan responses coming from mostly Sydney, and a smattering of Heart fans known to exist, and despite the simplistic reputation lumped on them as the apparent source of all the league’s crowd problems, there is some solidarity with the North Terrace from some active fans of other clubs such as Brisbane, North Queensland and even from fierce rivals Adelaide United.
There was even the astounding phenomenon of the Adelaide United ‘capo’ calling out for the “FFA to leave the Victory fans alone” on his megaphone in the 55th minute of the Adelaide versus Wellington match.
In an article on FourFourTwo.com, the new Victory administration through Trent Jacobs released a statement declaring, “We are aware of issues with our supporter groups, but will be working through those direct with them.”
The new guard will have their work cut out to be effective in these talks, and the task will be made more difficult given Wilson has already gotten himself offside with many fans given what was perceived as the ill considered patronising demeanour and tone of an email the club sent out to all members.
The omens of a quick and truly effective solution are not looking particularly good. This is not good for Melbourne Victory, for the A-League, or for football in Australia.
There is the question of how Di Petrio will engage the FFA. Geoff Lord was known to have his clashes with the FFA over a range of issues, but will Di Petrio have the will and capacity to take on the FFA on behalf of the clubs interest and that of its fans?
Melbourne Victory may be a powerhouse club going as it approaches the end of the 2010/2011 season. Whether that will still be the case from the 2011/2012 season onwards remains to be seen.
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February 9th 2011 @ 6:53am
Midfielder said | February 9th 2011 @ 6:53am | Report comment
Sorry to cut in on your article but just want this out…as posted in Tony’s thread yesterday
Tony
As always a joy to read… just a little off topic but still on the local league I have something for you.
Tony run your eyes over… Bernie …. who is one of the Mariners youth strikers went to school with Amini and like many Mariners comes from Blacktown Demons…
With Matty knee GA has put Berine on the bench…. many old timers are saying if this kid can step up the grade … man he will be a star… he has not bulked out yet and has been kept in cotton will so he is not hacked to an injury..
You will here the cheer from Gosford when this kid takes the field…
Here is his player profile from the club’s web site… http://www.ccmariners.com.au/default.aspx?s=yleague_profile&pid=2259&tid=266
Guess what GA has him in the starting line up…
February 9th 2011 @ 9:06pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 9:06pm | Report comment
Hey Midfielder
Great call … the kid scored on debut after 15′ got to be happy with that! And, Amini gets the 2nd. The youth policy looking good?
February 9th 2011 @ 6:53am
Midfielder said | February 9th 2011 @ 6:53am | Report comment
WOW go GA
from the Telie http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/soccer/mariners-give-start-to-isei-18/story-e6frey4r-1226002497523
February 9th 2011 @ 8:20am
Mals said | February 9th 2011 @ 8:20am | Report comment
It’s exciting times Mid – I’m looking forward to watching Bernie’s first run on game. Go the Mariners!!
February 9th 2011 @ 7:25am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Another well written, well considered article from NUetc.
However, I remain convinced that your appraisal, while sufficiently even-handed, neglects to mention matters that can be labelled as: the too hard basket.
You’ve introduced the Blue and White Brigade, but have left it at that.
The one hint of what something like the Blue and White Brigade represents in Australian sport is provided by your reference to a leader of an AU support groups as the “capo”.
Appropriate in every sense – but there’s plenty to discuss here that to date has remained in the too hard basket.
February 9th 2011 @ 7:31am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 7:31am | Report comment
remove home end memberships and fire hatamoto= problem solved. its really not rocket science
February 9th 2011 @ 7:51am
NUFCMVFC said | February 9th 2011 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Submitted this before Muscat “intervened”, wonder if the meeting will descend into a culture of violence…lol
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/195772,muscat-intervenes-in-fan-row.aspx
Fwiw the people there seem to be positively disposed towards Di Petrio and think things have gone well, some scepticism from those that weren’t there though…
Interesting to note Jacobs perspective
http://www.mvfc.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=38767
“…We’re very confident from the meeting that some solutions will be found in the short-term…”
contrast this with fans perspective as in 442
“While the NT reps are confident that the winds of change may occur, we are also entitled to hold a degree of pessimism that these changes may not occur due to past discussions”
Good thing there is this fan forum thing on
Interesting to see how things pan out, hopefully well but this situation is not entirely new
re; “The debate amongst the football media in recent years has not given much focus to the detrimental impact that both the FFA’s security strategy via the Hatamoto consultancy firm and the policing profile adopted at A-League matches, has had on the fan experience for A-League attendees (active and otherwise).”
an interesting article in the Age by Michael Lynch – at the end “The club does not believe its falling crowds are related to the dissatisfaction of its active supporters, rather that several poorly -attended midweek games have done more to reduce this season’s average gate to around 16,000. “. First time I have heard a suggestion that the impact on atmosphere that comes with tension with active fans has an impact on attendances
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/a-league/victory-ffa-are-putting-fans-offside-with-security-measures-20110207-1ak5d.html
So Lynch has covered it now
Not just MVFC but other clubs too
And yes I agree with Midfielder because I know what he is going to say, obviously FFA have a fine balance between the family/Soccer Mum types and the traditionalist supporters, but the way they have gone about it is a mistake and they are mistaken in their belief that the two are mutually exclusive
February 9th 2011 @ 8:00am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Yes NUFCMVFC, will be one of the more curious nights of the year.
Good overview of the state of play by the way. I dips me lid.
February 9th 2011 @ 8:33am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 8:33am | Report comment
cant wait for the fan forum. to all concerned i will be speaking first and letting my thoughts be known loud and clear to lyall gorman. i wrote up a speech so i wont get carried away with calling hatamoto animals and child bashers
February 9th 2011 @ 11:15am
Sweeper said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Just try and keep your emotions in check Con. Hatamoto will probably be at the fan forum.
February 9th 2011 @ 9:33am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 9:33am | Report comment
NUFCMVFC -
I do enjoy your work and your passion for MVFC, but surely this story been done to death, now?
I think everyone understands that some HAL fans (particularly MVFC’s North End/BWB) are unhappy with certain things and they want to be heard.
Perhaps I’m wrong, but the one thing that bothers me in relation to this issue is that SOME MVFC fans want to hold the club to ransom. That’s a shame, b/c that’s not how I expected MVFC fans to behave. Perhaps, we’ve had too much success too quickly, which has created a fan-base that is spoilt for success and haven’t had to fight for their team’s survival.
We have HAL finals coming up and, as far as I’m concerned, MVFC is only team capable of knocking off Brisbane in the Grand Final, so I hope the North End are as passionate about the Game on Friday and the forthcoming finals as they are about this issue?
Finally, can I ask … if you guys, who are upset with the club, don’t have this issue resolved the way you desire, will you walk away from MVFC and join Heart or, worse, walk away from the HAL completely, or will you accept that the Game and our Club are all that matters and remain solid in your loyalty and support?
It would be a shame to see the North End fan-base abandon the club, but … this season has made me realise that “I’m MVFC till I die” – I am now more passionate about my club, MVFC, than the club on the other side of the planet that I grew up supporting, MUFC.
February 9th 2011 @ 9:40am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 9:40am | Report comment
no this story has not been done to death. it has not been resolved at all.
i wont join melbourne heart because they have home end memberships as well.
as for walking away form the HAL, im not renewing my membership anymore, the past four seasons ive been supporting a dead horse. since hatamoto came in i no longer enjoy myself, neither do my friends, hence whats the point of paying money. unlike you i love active support, this was taken away from me so why bother turning up
February 9th 2011 @ 9:56am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Fair enough. With that type of attitude, I’m surprised you’ve stayed so long, since it appears you don’t have any interest in the actual Game or the Club … all that’s important is that you can jump around with your mates?
Maybe a dance party would be more suitable than a football match?
Not sure if you’ve met any “ultras” from o/s?
I met a few in Germany during the 2006 FIFA WC – from various parts of Europe & Sth America – these guys (they’re mainly guys) actually love their Football Team more than they love themselves.
These ULTRAs would NEVER abandon their club .. it’s simply unthinkable.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:04am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:04am | Report comment
no i have more interest in the club than you can imagine. all i ever wanted was for us to be bigger, attendances to grow etc etc. hatamoto came in and caused the decline in attendances with their backward policies.
over the 6 years i have taken 20 people with me (thats my dedication to my team), but i dont see the point anymore. why fight ffa’s battle when all they do is disrespect you? its not enjoyable attending anymore, so why spend money.
just watch attendances next year, they will decrease again, and again the year after. all of this could have been avoided by listening to the fans. but no, they listened to hatamoto.
you can say what you want, ive followed football since i was 4. the best day of my life was when we beat uruguay on penalties, the second best day was the 2nd semi final in season 2. so believe me the love is there. but all faith in the ffa is gone.
whats worse is the ffa’s stance on active supporters is killing socceroo games. ever noticed how it feels like you can hear a pin drop? well i dont enjoy going to them live either. if active fans were respected then socceroo games would be a must see event too.
i am pessimistic about our future. and thats solely the blame of ffa
February 9th 2011 @ 10:10am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:10am | Report comment
So, rather than stay and try to change things in a civilised manner using the appropriate channels… you want to simply walk away?
As you get older, you are going to realise that not everything in life goes as you want and, if your attitude is to simply walk away when you can’t get what you want … my advice is to buy yourself some comfortable shoes – because, believe me, you’ll be walking away a lot!
February 9th 2011 @ 10:18am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:18am | Report comment
i stayed six years. phoned ffa and melbourne victory countless times. i emailed them countless times. all my attempts were ignored until i had to send an abusive email to hatamoto and ffa rang me back threatening to ban me (this is after about 11 peaceful attempts over the course of 4 years)
you forget i am a consumer. i dont want the product they are offering. i fell in love with something only for them to change it and make it absolutely rubbish.
i dont walk away from football ever or from supporting it but i just dont want to renew. simply put i dont enjoy myself. wait 4 more years til attendances drop to 5k a game and we’ll see how drawn you are to games.
your not an active fan so you dont understand. i love watching the game on tv but i would prefer to be live in the stadium soaking in the atmosphere hence im going to argentina this year. its sad that i need to go overseas just to get an atmosphere. thank you again ffa
February 9th 2011 @ 10:21am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:21am | Report comment
You and your mates are trying to recreate the “product”, fashion it to your own image, or what you perceive to be the ideal from overseas influences.
But this is the issue for the club – to allow you to do that, to take it to the extent to which you want to take it, will bring financial ruin to the club.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:28am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:28am | Report comment
oh of course it will bring financial ruin. like the 29k averages we used to bring in season 2 before home end memebrships were introduced. i dont see whats the point of even writing back to stupidity. financial ruin is looming. this is started when they brought in these measures = lower active fan involvement, not being able to bring mates, less atmosphere = less families enjoying the atmosphere, less neutrals coming with mates, less neutrals coming back because the matchday experience is a dud = less attendances = financial ruin.
lets see your reply to that
February 9th 2011 @ 10:40am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Sorry Con, but there is an inherent contradiciton in what you are saying.
Those massive crowds in season two, of 50k and 40k against SFC and AU, by definition, had absolutely nothing to do with the existence of active support or otherwise.
Obviously – if you are getting those sorts of numbers – you have virtually ever seat ringing the ground taken – it’s got nothing to do with active support.
This is where fantasy and reality collide to the detriment of the club.
When the club sold nearly 24k memberships in season 3 – it had absolutely nothing to do with the existence of these supporter groups.
Only when these smallish supporter groups started making a big song and dance during the course of season 3, protesting, making rackets outside the stadium, etc, did attendances gradually start declining.
The club is now on the verge of losing all mainstream support by the actions of the supporter groups.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:01am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:01am | Report comment
myleftfoot: what your saying is just ignorant, silly and completely out of line. you clearly dont agree with me and you clearly have no idea what your talking about.
February 9th 2011 @ 12:03pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
con
Are you saying that the 50k and 40k crowds in season 2 were somehow directly linked with the supporter groups?
If you are saying that, your maths aren’t very good.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:08am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Do some research fuss – Fan boycotts are common in football. Here is a recent example.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8986321.stm
Over in Germany, thousands of Borussia Dortmund fans are similarly unhappy – with the major difference that they will not be travelling to watch their team take on Schalke in the Bundesliga.
A boycott has been organised in protest against a hike in visitor ticket prices and 1,500 Dortmund fans have already returned their tickets. Many supporters have been unable to get refunds but still will not travel.
More than 300 different Dortmund supporter groups across Germany are involved in the boycott, which is designed to highlight unease at being asked to pay more than 22 euro (£19) for a standing ticket. Last season, Schalke were charging 13.50 euro for the same match, while Liverpool fans will have to fork out £51 for a ticket at Old Trafford.
“Now, for the first time, the 20 euro mark has been crossed by a club and we are no longer willing to sit back and find out what happens next. It is time to raise our voices, no matter what club it is.”
Uersfeld, who pays 184 euro (£152) to watch Borussia’s 17 home Bundesliga games as well as one European match, insists football supporters have more power than they might think.
“We are part of the game, part of the business, but people do not take us seriously,” he said. “What happens if the fans don’t show up? Can they be replaced by another audience?”
February 9th 2011 @ 11:30am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Art, I’ve just checked and Dortmund played Schalke at the Veltins-Arena in Gelsenkirchen on 30 September 2010.
This is one of the biggest Derby matches in the Bundesliga and the the attendance that day was 60,069 in a stadium, which has a capacity of 61,673.
Dortmund won 3-0, so I guess those Dortmund fans, who decided not to travel, missed a super win in the Ruhr Derby and their presence doesn’t seem to have impacted the crowd at the game.
Source: http://www.soccerway.com/matches/2010/09/19/germany/bundesliga/fc-schalke-04/borussia-dortmund/958466/
PS: Last w/e Dortmund was at HOME to Schalke in the return leg of the Ruhr Derby and the crowd was 80,720 which is exactly 100% capacity for Dortmund’s home stadium.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:50am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Do the maths fuss, Dortmund were given an allocation of 1500 tickets.
None of the Dortmund supporters turned up as they refused to pay 22 Euro for a ticket that Schalke wanted to charge them. There is a supporter movement to stop clubs charging over 20 Euro to stand up in Gerrmany
“The campaign Kein Zwanni für nen Steher (20 euros for standing – no way!) is challenging the price hike and wants to see the Bundesliga continue to be affordable for all social classes for years to come. Over the weekend other supporter groups from different clubs joined the campaign, showing their feelings with banners. It will be a long and hard road to success. We believe it is worth taking.”
Read the article:
German fans fighting Bundesliga price rises
http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/5756/38/
February 9th 2011 @ 12:00pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
The Away bay seems filled to capacity with Dortmund fans (check from 0.17 on the video) …
February 9th 2011 @ 1:41pm
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Well on the basis of that evidence – Their allocation was greater than 1,500.
The fact remains 1500 people fans did not turn up.
As Stephan Uersfeld, of the German fanzine Schwatzgelb said.
“The campaign Kein Zwanni für nen Steher (20 euros for standing – no way!) is challenging the price hike and wants to see the Bundesliga continue to be affordable for all social classes for years to come. Over the weekend other supporter groups from different clubs joined the campaign, showing their feelings with banners. It will be a long and hard road to success. We believe it is worth taking.”
Good luck to them!
February 9th 2011 @ 10:15am
RedOrDead said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Con, Heart would be happy to have you with open arms! We have an Active area AND General Admission seats
One thing I don’t understand is why the “Premium Seats” for a Melbourne Victory home game on the city side wing (Gate 7) is expanded an extra two bays than the Punt Road side!?! The Melbourne Heart seating plan sees bay 24 and bay 30 as B Reserve, just like it’s parallel bays are B Reserve on the Punt Rd side.
Victory has been just plain silly with their seating plan, especially not including any General Admission seats in a 30,000 seat stadium…that’s just plain silly…come to Heart I say
February 9th 2011 @ 10:22am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:22am | Report comment
RoD – Heart only has one standing bay at AAMI Park and its not part of General Admission.
Its part of Home End. There have been games this year where more people wanted to stand than there was space available.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:33am
RedOrDead said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:33am | Report comment
What can you do? The stand is only so big physically!
But are you telling me that if someone stood up on the left or right of the isles separating Home End area (bay 16&17) and GA area (bays 15&18) they’d be told to sit back down by security?
Or are you saying if they’re sitting in GA area of bays 16&17 (behind Home End) and sing as one with Yarraside and/or Red&White Unite, they’d be told to shut up?
It’s General Admission for god sake, I’m sure you can sit, stand, dance, sing, etc if you’ve paid your fees!
February 9th 2011 @ 10:43am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:43am | Report comment
RoD – you don’t even sit there and you are telling me how things work.
“General Admission for god sake, I’m sure you can sit, stand, dance, sing, etc if you’ve paid your fees” Answer is no – there are people there who have come to watch the game seated as its a designated seating area, a group of lads just can’s stand in any row in front of them.
It doesn’t work that way. Hopefully, Heart will expand the standing area to 3 bays next season.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:55am
RedOrDead said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Art – if you re-read my comment you will see a question mark at the end three sentences so I wasn’t “telling you how things work”, I was asking you! Thank you for your response.
Hopefully Heart see the growth of their active members and increase that area indeed, yet keep the rest of north and south ends as GA
February 9th 2011 @ 11:08am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:08am | Report comment
It’s all good RoD.
By the way Sibon is on his way back to Holland.
Good decision by the Heart not to keep him on.
If they want to play 4 -3 -3 they need a young, mobile squad. Similar to the Roar.
With Aloisi, Skoko and now Sibon gone, it will be interesting to see who replaces them.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:30am
RedOrDead said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Now, if only they get rid of Srhoj too and replace him with a more worthy number 10 (someone who doesn’t average a yellow card every 2.5 games) and we’d be all good! Srhoj who’s played 25 games has picked up 10 yellow cards and they were all in his first 19 games – the last against Sydney in December – which saw him at an average of 1 yellow card per 1.9 games, he’s been behaving the last 6 games! lol
My god, how good did Kamal Ibrahim look? He’ll turn into a gun of a player in the very near future!
I’d love to see Fuss’s FACTs next season with 3 of our oldies having moved on – what will his excuse be when we beat Victory! haha
February 9th 2011 @ 11:40am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:40am | Report comment
RoR
Heart were excellent in the opening Match 1 of the Melbourne Derby and played some of the best passing football I’ve seen in the A-League. I was worried after that match.
Alas, since that game, whenever I’ve seen Heart they have been rubbish – not just bad, but actually rubbish.
The midfield plays a passing game that is slow, laborious & predictable; the defence are a bunch of clowns; their GK is no longer intimidating; and there are no strikers, who put fear into the opposition.
Lots of work needs to be done in the off-season … MVFC won’t have much of an off-season, since we’ll be playing ACL football.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:54am
RedOrDead said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Haha – that was too easy Fussy!
Yep, I agree that Bolton is passed his prime and maintain my position on getting rid of Srhoj who is slowing us down in the midfield. In fact sometimes it seems he prefers to play more as defender or defensive midfielder than anything else! He is slow, undisciplined and uncreative. Imagine replacing him with Flores…OMG!! hehe
As for the forwards – Zahra was building up to it, though he’s a little short. We still have Hoffman, Kalmar, Terra and a few other youngsters wanting to prove themselves, though you are right, with our two top goal scorers gone we may struggle to find the back of the net :-/
February 9th 2011 @ 10:26am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:26am | Report comment
The Victory’s business model is to get back to 24,000 memberships, which basically means making match day all seat ticketed affairs.
But they can now kiss that business model good bye – and it has nothing to do with them not pandering to 1,000 disaffected angry young males.
In fact, the club is immeasurably better off if all off them cros over to the Heart.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:33am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:33am | Report comment
and when we do, enjoy watching the game in absolute silence. lets see how many families turn up then.
February 9th 2011 @ 9:58am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
That is the problem – some supporter groups are holding the club to ranson, as you say, all in the name of having the club’s best interests at heart.
But clearly they do not have the club’s best interets at heart – they are only concerned about their own personal gratification (like most Gen Yers).
They don’t appreciate that they risk tearing this club apart (a club that has delivered more than the average fan could ever dream of being delivered), and in doing so, they will set this game back 30 years guaranteed.
Why is no one willing to touch on what the BWB are all about?
Where are we heading when a leading supporter nonchalantly refers to the head of the AU supporters group as a capo ?
February 9th 2011 @ 10:03am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Don’t think you should read too much into the term “capo” … football is a global game and it’s no surprise if global terminology creeps into the football lexicon in Australia.
Joga Bonito sounds more exotic than “the Beautiful Game”; and capo sounds more exotic than “leader of the cheer-squad”.
And, of course .. Fußball sounds more exotic than Football.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:10am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:10am | Report comment
My peole gave the world the expression: ‘u capu dî capi , so do not try to tell me that it carries no significance in this context, especially when our local ultra groups are working overtime to fashion themselves on the ultras of la curva.
This is the part of the debate that is currently in the “too hard basket” – this is why the MV managemnet is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Pressure is being brought to bear on them to give into a group whose modus operandi carries all the hallmarks of la curva, and I can promise you that if the club gave in, ultimately it would set the game back 30 years.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:19am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:19am | Report comment
What are the BWB about, MLF? You seem to be an expert.
What don’t you like about capo’s and organised supporter groups.
Even the MLS and the J-League have capos and active supporters.
All you are doing is spreading fear.
You want the A-League to be like AFL. Luckily, your’s is a minority opinion.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:24am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:24am | Report comment
By all means, let us broaden the discussion to what the North Terrace is all about, what it represents, what its ideals are, why 1,000 or so young males are agitating for certain rights (whatever that might mean), why they are hell bent on bringing a club to its knees, completely oblivious to the damage they are doing to the club they supposedly support.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:34am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:34am | Report comment
MLF – Unlike yourself, I have the ability to look at an issue from all sides.
Why don’t you ask the question – Why is the FFA and MVFC hell bent on making supporting your club a horrible experience and alienating their supporter base?
If you look at the comments on facebook. The majority of supporters are critical security of measure at the games and of their club, not the North terrace.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:36am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:36am | Report comment
MLF you ask: Why are are they behaving this way?
B/c that’s what Gen Z does when faced with any authority figure, who says “NO”.
When their parents said NO, they would stamp their feet and cry and these time-poor and discipline-weak parents found it easier to back down than put up with tantrums.
These Gen Zs will soon have to grow up and they’ll discover employers, in particular, don’t back down simply b/c an employee stamps his feet whenever he is upset.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:57am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:57am | Report comment
because those 1000 pimply young males have done more for the game than you imagine.
we draw people to it for the atmosphere, we bring new fans to the game, we convert afl diehards due to our atmosphere, we are the next generation of fans ie we will have fmailies and take them to sit on the wings etc etc. but of course you dont understand that do you
February 9th 2011 @ 5:36pm
David V. said | February 9th 2011 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
Fussball ist unser leben you’ve said it beautifully. Our younger generation has long been need of a nasty wakeup call, because years of libertarian individualism and liberal do-goodness has wrecked our society and order.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:31am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:31am | Report comment
MLF
What a shame you’re stooping to the level of spreading sensationalist tabloid rubbish about this issue.
What you just posted is simply a nonsense and, since you admit you have not been to any MVFC games this season (perhaps you haven’t been for more than just this season?), your opinion of the MVFC fan base carries little weight.
I have never felt threatened or intimidated by anyone at an MVFC game .. EVER. My father, who is nearly 80 years old, sits behind the North End goal adjacent to the Active Area and he simply loves the atmosphere. He’s never felt threatened or intimidated.
From my understanding, the ultras of la curva are bound together by strong political ideologies not simply the Juventus football club .
By contrast, I doubt anyone at the North End is politically aware to be able to name our GG … and most are not old enough to vote!
February 9th 2011 @ 10:35am
con said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:35am | Report comment
its ms quentin bryce
February 9th 2011 @ 10:37am
NUFCMVFC said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Quenton Bryce
The people in the NT are quite particular about not being political in terms of greater society, except in the football politics sense when it comes to things like the banning of the Eureka flag etc and issues which infringe on active support
And that is good, should just focus on football related issues
February 9th 2011 @ 10:44am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Fussball
it doesn’t matter whether you and I have never been threatened – it’s about mainstream support, remember, the original reason for ditching the NSL for the A-League?
If certain supporter groups wish to recreate the match day experience of la curva , then you can hardly expect club management (and stadium mangement) to welcome them with open arms.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:26pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Fussball
I forgot to menion last time: I know you googled La Curva and Juve probably came up first, but La Curva refers to much, much more than just Juve ultras.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:46am
Sweeper said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Really? So you would continue to got to games if you knew police and secutiry would be constantly hassling you?
February 9th 2011 @ 11:54am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:54am | Report comment
I’ve never been hassled by police or security in Australia or anywhere else in the world.
I’ve attended 80+ MVFC matches and don’t know anyone, who has been hassled by police or security, and no one that I know is aware of anyone, who has been hassled by police or security at MVFC matches.
If you find you are constantly being hassled by police and security – when you’re driving, when you’re walking down the street, when you’re at a shopping centre, or at nightclubs or at a football stadium …
… here’s a radical thought … perhaps – just, perhaps – the problem is with YOU and not THEM?
February 9th 2011 @ 12:18pm
Sweeper said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
I asked you a question “Would you continue to go to games if you knew you were going to be hassled?” I didn’t ask you if you have been hassled. Like I state below, I sit nowhere near NT and am always told to move from my area until I produce my membership card. Now it might be ok for you oldies but those of us that fall in the demographic commonly associated with ‘active’ supporters seem to always be watched whether we are active of not.
February 9th 2011 @ 3:11pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Sweeper
If I were constantly getting speeding tickets, I wouldn’t be trying to change the speed laws or complain about the police, or stop driving … I’d actually realise my behaviour is not acceptable by society’s standards and I’d have to change my behaviour.
That’s how civilised society operates. We have standards, laws, rules and regulations. We may all not agree with all these constraints …but, that’s life. If you choose to be a member of society you have to live by society’s rules.
If you choose to be an outlaw … well, if you’re constantly getting hassled by the police, perhaps, you’re not a very good outlaw?
So, to answer you question directly: if i were getting hassled by security & police whenever I went to games I’d try to identify why this was occurring and make appropriate changes to my attitude and behaviour.
I have quite a few mate in Vic Pol – they’re mainly in the squads now, rather than uniform – but, believe me, they don’t simply hassle people for no reason. They simply won’t waste their time, unless they have a reasonable hunch that something is amiss.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:34am
NUFCMVFC said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:34am | Report comment
As far as I’m aware, people still intend to actively support the team in the away bays during the finals, and given MVFC’s position they are unlikely to have a home final I don’t think. I think there is a question mark as to whether people will be supporting actively during the ACL without looking too far ahead
The issues aren’t petulent, there has been a lot of frustration over the banning of cultural items and the silly rationale behind it all in the 6 years the club has existed, but there are greater issues
As far as I’m aware, people as they did at the Jets game would still follow MVFC, but by either watching passively in the stands or on TV with mates or something, so still supporting the team but just not actively under the conditions they have had to endure
The article is intended as an update of sorts, but also the nature of the challenge, MVFC seem to want a quick fix for ACL, but there are some longstanding issues, FFA may want to see the heat taken out of the situation but they are accountable to the fraternity for their decisions and must be made to account for some bizarre decisions, have to keep writing as to stop it from just dissapearing into obscurity
February 9th 2011 @ 10:42am
TK said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:42am | Report comment
You guys in Melbourne obviously have some long standing issues, but no-one seems to be articulating what they are terribly well. The article claims that other clubs see MVFC as a example of stability etc in the A league, but there are obviously some difficulties going on. What exactly is the problem ? What are the FFA doing to make attending the game so unenjoyable from your perspective? What is it exactly that you want to be able to do when you go to watch your team play?
February 9th 2011 @ 10:52am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:52am | Report comment
TK – I suggest you read up on the issue. For example a piece submitted by Victory fan Steve Wise on this website. There are also other pieces on this website, including Davidde’s yesterday.
442 website has been covering the story issue as well.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:52am
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:52am | Report comment
There are certainly examples of over-exuberant security staff in recent years.
A classic example was the FFA telling security to stop people walking in wiht the Eureka flag, because it supposedly had some sort of political significance, or whatever.
But that was an FFA dictate, not a club dictate, and it was very quickly sorted out.
On that level, things can be very easily and quickly sorted out.
But more recently, things have become a bit more complicated, smallish supporter groups thinking they have the right to dictate to the club in the manner that they run the club.
That can never fly.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:04am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Why do you offer biased commentary to TK.
I suggested he read up on the issue and come to his own conclusions.
You make Fox News look fair and balanced
February 9th 2011 @ 12:06pm
TK said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Had a look for the Wise article using the search function with no luck and he’s not listed as a regular contributor. Had a bit of a read on the history of ‘ultra’ fan organisations in Europe – looks to me that there is a pretty fine line between that sort of activity and more unsavory elements of football that the FFA is pretty upfront about not wanting to entertain but again it’s hard to decipher what the problem is. What is it that people want to do that is outside buying a ticket, whacking on your club colours and going to the ground with some mates to support your team?
February 9th 2011 @ 12:51pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
TK
you are touching on the issue.
In a place like Italy, there is a very fine line between the ultra groups and what we might refer to as organised crime.
What’s more, some of these groups control whole parts of stadiums, and basically sell the rights to that stand directly to their members – and traditionally the Italian clubs have not had the guts to take these gangs on.
That’s precisely where the Victory is heading with supporter groups making demands on the club about how they should be running it.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:01pm
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
Italy, Italy, Italy, Italy – this in not Italy!
All you are doing is spreading baseless fear. Disgraceful.
There are supporter groups all over the world.
MLS, J-League etc.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:05pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
If BWB and the like were to model itself on Japanese supporter groups, I doubt anyone would be complaining.
The trouble is that it’s the Italian and East European ultra groups that serve as their primary models.
MV management has to stand firm on this.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:08pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
It’s already been stated a few times, the South End attracts almost zero attention. They too are home to supporter groups.
Clearly, the behaviour of the North End is such that it has attracted attention.
This idea that the MV management is trying to crush active support is a furphy.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:14pm
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
MLF – What are Japanese supporters modelled on – why do the Japanese call themselves Ultras? You have no idea on this issue. All you are doing is fear mongering.
Majority of MVFC fans would be greatly annoyed with your ramblings.
You don’t even attend games. Give up, the AFL season is around the corner.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:20pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
Yeh, right, nothing really compares with the Italian ultras though, except a few right wing groups in Eastern Europe.
Don’t worry, my knowledge of Italian ultras and la curva is as good as anyone else’s on this board.
The point remains, no one is pointing the finger at the South End, which also comprise active supporter groups.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:47pm
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
The south end don’t believe in orchestrated support MLF – that’s why they are the South End – hence the lack of banners and flags and displays. Heaven help MVFC if the South End was the only support they receive.
We don’t care about your flippin’ Italian curva obsession.
This is Australia, Pip.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:18am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:18am | Report comment
TK … Got to love the pun (intentional?) about … long standing issues!
I would estimate 90% of the MVFC membership base has absolutely NO ISSUES about anything that’s happening in the stands …
The Issues that concern the majority of MVFC fans I know are all on-the park issues:
a) why won’t Petkovic release the ball quickly to a team-mate rather than the aimless long goal-kick
ISSUE RESOLVED
Ever since Muskie took a holiday, Petkovic has been opting for the early release and his throw to Marvin, whose inch-perfect pass found Robbie K for our 2nd against Newcastle was as good a counter-attack as any I’ve seen in world’s best football league
b) why does Merrick play Berger, Broxham & Celeski ahead of Franjic, Ferreira & Foshini.
ISSUE RESOLVED
c) why doesn’t Merrick include Marvin & Mate in the starting 11
ISSUE RESOLVED … hopefully it will be permanent!
MVFC fans I know are feeling pretty damn content and smug and we cannot wait for the HAL Finals and the ACL .. our team is back to full-strength at the pointy end of the season.
February 9th 2011 @ 12:10pm
Sweeper said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
No my issue is why did I have to navigate my way through a cordon of riot police crossing the concourse between Sth Cross station and the stadium? Why am I forever hassled by security staff telling me I cannot sit in a particular area (nowhere near NT) when my membership card clearly states that I can? Why I had to sit and watch a game with such a souless atmosphere that I could hear the players calling out to one another? On field issues i’ll cut the team some slack. We did the double 2 seasons ago and almost did it again last season. So the guys are due an off season.
February 9th 2011 @ 12:29pm
TK said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
So why are there riot police there ? Can’t say I’ve encountered that at other events I’ve attended/
February 9th 2011 @ 1:17pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
TK
this article might help you come to an understanding as to why riot police were deemed necessary:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/a-league-melbourne-victory-and-melbourne-heart-fans-rivalry-turns-nasty/story-e6frf7kx-1226000426337
February 9th 2011 @ 1:33pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
MLF
They aren’t riot police .. they’re just normal members dressed in the “pyjama suits” rather than the traditional button down shirt and tailored pants. Makes sense to be dressed for the occasion.
This is how riot police are kitted out:
So, a couple of teenagers stole a rival’s banner … if you head down to Prosh Week at Melbourne Uni in the final week of February, you’ll find this type of behaviour pretty commonplace amongst the students at the various Colleges of Residence. I never saw Vic Pol getting involved on campus investigating such adolescent pranks.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:39pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
It’s simply a matter of: at what point does a silly juvenile prank become a serious matter worthy of police involvement?
February 9th 2011 @ 1:50pm
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
More fear mongering nonsense from MLF – Victory were playing the Jets last Wednesday.
It has nothing to do the the story you posted. Disgraceful.
You should be moderated such comments.
February 9th 2011 @ 1:58pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Sorry Art – you are wrong – it’s all connected – the North Terrace is on the police radar – with the support of MV management and stadium management – it can’t just be wished away – it’s there.
February 9th 2011 @ 12:24pm
TK said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Agree there are bigger things to worry about from my perspective, many of which have been well aired in discussions already in this forum. What I’d like to see is a discussion paper covering all the issues that we as fans are concerned about put together with some options for resolution from the FFA.
Like you am looking forward to the HAL finals, and as a Roar fan am happy that the premiership is already wrapped up ready for presentation at Suncorp on Saturday (thankfully they’ve fixed it up after the flood damage in time for the finals).
My interest will also be in how many players we’ll lose to other clubs and O/S – Ange has done a good job with this squad and while I don’t begrudge guys taking opportunities to kick on in their professional careers overseas (what I consider the A league to be all about) it’d be nice to keep the guts of the team together for next year. Even Ange’s contract expires in 2012 – I’d be wanting to stich that up pretty quick if I was at Roar HQ.
See your boys in the finals.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:03am
Axelv said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:03am | Report comment
No such as being done to death until the issue is resolved, and by the looks of things that is still a long way away.
February 9th 2011 @ 10:18am
TK said | February 9th 2011 @ 10:18am | Report comment
“We have HAL finals coming up and, as far as I’m concerned, MVFC is only team capable of knocking off Brisbane in the Grand Final”
As a Roar fan, I appreciate the assessment that the Roar are going to be in the final – but we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves aren’t we? A week is a long time in football and anything can happen – assuming the victory will be there is also a big assumption LOL.
I agree that the support of individual clubs and the league itself is more important than any other matter (especially some misplaced belief that individual’s self interest is bigger than the game succeeding here) – the only way the clubs will survive is if we all attend games and on this front it’s good to see the success of the roar this year drawing more people to the games in Brisbane. The success of the Roar this year, and the mix of fortunes at some of the other traditionally strong clubs has been good for the league overall and really raised the interest level in the media in here in Queensland. For a change the sports pages have A league articles instead of endless garbage about what the Bronco’s are doing in the off season.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:07am
Sweeper said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Tonight’s Silver member function is going to be interesting.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:09am
Axelv said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:09am | Report comment
Great article once again. You touched on quite a few major points and issues for the club.
- Surat Sukha has been outstanding this season until his recent injury and he is from Thailand!
- Changing of CEO and Chairman
- Muscat’s violent culture absolutely nothing to with the off field issues this season
- Other clubs including, Adelaide’s Capo sticking up for Melbourne Victory’s issue with security and the FFA
I wonder whether or not I should go to the fan forum on Feb 16, With Richard Wilson, Lyall Gorman (Head of the A-League) as well as the Melbourne fans being there, it should be very interesting.
February 9th 2011 @ 11:30am
Futbanous said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Les buys into the argument:-
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/les-murray/blog/1044103/Let-the-fans-be-fans
February 9th 2011 @ 11:59am
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Les understands football and gets to the crux of the issue –
“But there are still people in high places in the administration of ‘new football’ who would like to see a far more passive and sanitised form of support from the active fans that gather behind the goals at each A-League game.
What they seek, I gather, is something modelled on the inert way AFL or NRL fans behave. Or perhaps they would prefer the soul-less, orchestrated cheer squads you get in basketball.
They do not understand the beast. Football supporters are, above all, fans, not spectators, onlookers or, even worse, customers. They have too much pent-up passion to be able to sit there quietly and cheer when the odd goal goes in.
They are active because they see themselves as members of the team and will do whatever they can, short of stepping on the field themselves, to contribute to the defeat of the opposing team. “
February 9th 2011 @ 12:06pm
MyLeftFoot said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Sounds pretty fanciful to me, that somehow, the passion for soccer is so immense that it cannot be reasoned with.
It’s not the first time Les has been way off the mark and shown a decidedly poor grasp of reality.
For instance, on the eve of the WC decision, he was convinced that Australia was about to win hosting rights on the strenght of our final presentation.
Rembember that embarassing, humiliating, cringeworthy presentation? Les thought it was good, not just good, but good enough to win the vote.
February 9th 2011 @ 12:17pm
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Jealousy is a curse, MLF
February 9th 2011 @ 1:40pm
Axelv said | February 9th 2011 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Stop replying to this guy! >.<
He is best left ignored
February 9th 2011 @ 12:05pm
Art Sapphire said | February 9th 2011 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
MLF, I see you (Grobbelaar) was the first to comment on Les’s piece. Regurgitating the same old stuff.
You remind of the robot in Lost in Space – ‘warning,warning – football is a threat to the AFL”
Looks like you agreed with yourself and 10 people have disagreed with your comment on TWG. Sum’s it up really.