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Reading more than 400 comments on the article about Andrew Demetriou’s actions brings up the question. Why are there code wars? The love of sport in Australia is something that we brag about constantly to the world.
Ask any primary school age child, “What are Australian values?” and one of the first answers to come up is consistently, a professed love of sport.
It is something that we proudly display together as a nation in the countless global sporting events that we participate in.
This is displayed at the Olympics where we have a competitor in practically every event available.
At the Winter Olympics we have gold medal winners, a fine achievement considering the relative lack of snow in Australia compared to other countries.
This love of sport has earned Australia a reputation around the world as a sports mad country.
Now let’s imagine that there is no NRL, A-League, domestic cricket or (Australian) Super Rugby competitions.
The only major professional sporting competition running is the AFL. What a different country we would have.
The AFL would have large crowds, but nobody to boast to. They would have TV deals, but with no other competition from other sports. No other competitions to poach players from. It would be a lonely competition. Imagine the boredom suffered in the off season.
Now let’s imagine if the NRL was the only major professional competition running in Australia.
What would the people of Western Australia, the Northern Territory and South Australia do sports wise, who have little to no interest in the game of Rugby League.
They would lose the ability to measure the strengths and weaknesses of their game against those of Rugby Union. They would have nobody to share players with. Nobody to trade secrets of strength and conditioning with. Without soccer, they wouldn’t have a target of player participation to reach for.
Imagine likewise the A-League was the only competition in Australia.
Without the AFL, NRL and Super Rugby setting benchmarks for attendences the A-League would not attempt to expand their supporter bases, increase membership and ticket sales, or have any opposition in places where they attempt to expand the league.
The main strength of the A-League is having the ability to make a stand for Australia on the world stage, through the Asian Champions League.
The Socceroos would get a boost, having all with talent to perform on the highest global stage the World Cup.
However, the game would become stagnant without competition.
Every code in Australia needs the others for the good of their own game:
- The AFL is crucial to the Australian sporting landscape is it provides benchmark for administration, management and support at club level and media coverage. It also is a game proudly unique to Australia.
- The NRL is an essential Australian sport as it provides a fatastic state vs state rivalry though state of origin, and a truly competitive competition where any team can beat another on their given day. It too maintains a great supporter base.
Rugby League offers a chance for children with a range of skills to get active and involved in a team orientated environment.
- The A-League offers a significant amount of value to the Australian sporting landscape. It gives Australians a true feel of globalism when to witness a team from their region participating in a sport played in every corner of the globe by a staggering 750,000 professional players.
It’s skill and somewhat less physical nature offers a diverse sport to the three other codes in Australia.
It also offers a chance on the global stage that no other sport in Australia can. It is also the leading sport for maintaining health and physical activity in Australia.
- The participation in Super Rugby by Australian teams is also a magnificant aspect of the Australian sporting landscape. It offers the chance for Australians to view sporting sides from other countries week in week out. It is a truly unique sporting experience that has made the Super Rugby popular with Australian audiences.
It has also added more flavour to matches where Australian sides verse eachother. The Wallabies are a much loved national sporting team which provide a chance for success at a near global level at the Rugby World Cup. The passionate Bledisloe cup matches are a great exhibition on the Australian sporting calender.
There have practically zero instances of ping pong players slagging off at pole vaulters efforts or the strength of their sport in Australia, or vice versa.
Participants of Rugby codes have never got annoyed at golfers for the lack of comparative contact in their ball sport.
Athletics participants don’t pay out swimmers over the lack of speed in comparison the running events.
So why do participants and administrators from each code have such a disharmonous relationship?
All sports in Australia need eachother for the benefit of their own game, and all of these sports assist to provide Australia with the global image of a ‘sports mad’ nation.
Whether it’s badminton or volleyball, curling or synchronised swimming, we are all Aussies having fun doing what we love, let’s forget squabbling and just have fun!
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March 31st 2011 @ 8:29am
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 8:29am | Report comment
the author says: “Rugby League offers a chance for some of the less athletic and skillfull children to get active and involved and a team orientated environment. ”
I don’t think rugby league supporters would agree with that statement!!
March 31st 2011 @ 8:51am
JVGO said | March 31st 2011 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Yes, this statement marks the author as questionable. This sort thing is one factor in the code wars, not the underlying reason or cause, but a contributing factor nevertheless.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:26am
Tristan Rayner said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Fixed. Thanks.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:01pm
NF said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:01pm | Report comment
“Rugby League offers a chance for some of the less athletic and skillfull children to get active and involved and a team orientated environment. ”. LOL to think that someone of Billy Slater’s calibre is less athletic and skillful than other codes is laughable. Code war material in a article questioning why there shouldn’t be code wars yet take a shot at rugby league hypocritical.
March 31st 2011 @ 4:53pm
Davo said | March 31st 2011 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
i agree with this statement about what league has to offer. i remember when i was at school the only sport that the tubby kids would play was rugby league as it gave them a chance to use their figure to great advantage. I believe rugby is good like this, it is a game for all shapes and sizes regardless of fitness etc.
March 31st 2011 @ 11:29pm
Timmuh said | March 31st 2011 @ 11:29pm | Report comment
I can see where you are coming from there, but its not how I read it. I read more as “also” allows some of those whose bodies don’t match other sports or who aren’t as skillful. I read it saying that there is a place in league for big clumsy (by elite sport standards) brutes, but also for thefleetfooted and skilled. Not being a league fan myself, I don’t know how accurate that would be; but that was my interpretation of the statement.
March 31st 2011 @ 8:48am
The_Wookie said | March 31st 2011 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Its the nature of Australian males to be competitive about anything, let alone sport. Trying to gain the upper hand on the field, off the field, in print, in person, on tv, on the radio, its all the same thing. Look at Melbourne v Sydney, that argument goes back all the way to Federation and had nothing to with sport at all.
Theres nothing wrong with passionate people having a discussion about which sport is better. Content on the roar would be reduced by 70% without it lol.
March 31st 2011 @ 8:52am
jamesb said | March 31st 2011 @ 8:52am | Report comment
I agree lets all get along. However, when you see Julia Gillard, handballing a sherrin to Barack Obama, you sort of ask yourself. Why didn’t Julia bring along a cricket bat, rugby ball, league ball and a soccer ball as well.
It made out that ALL of Australia LOVES AFL. I beg to differ on that. Demetriou’s recent article that went well over 400 comments is ample proof that AFL DOES cause a DIVIDE in Australian sport.
OF course AFL people think that I am picking on AFL. Well Julia started it with the sherrin ball.
But I also think there is strength and weakness in all football codes. Thats why there is a code war.
PS. If AFL didn’t exist, Whos to say that Rugby League wouldn’t be popular in South Australia, Victoria or Western Australia. Will never know.
March 31st 2011 @ 8:57am
Redb said | March 31st 2011 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Herein lies the problem. You clearly dont agree.
I bet 10 years ago if the Aust PM passed an Aussie Rules football around the Oval Office no one would have cared.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:00am
Ken said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:00am | Report comment
He wouldn’t have though because he was from Sydney…:-)
April 1st 2011 @ 4:36am
Bondy said | April 1st 2011 @ 4:36am | Report comment
Redb.
Always reverse a situation what would you have thought if Borack Obama turned up at Parliament House with an American (Gridiron) Football. What the F*** is that for.
Where at war in Afghanistan.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:30am
CraigB said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:30am | Report comment
The only reason JG had a Sherrin is that is the only uniquely Australian code. The other are international sports.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:44am
Whites said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:44am | Report comment
The reason she had a Sherrin is that she is a Western Bulldogs tragic.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:26am
Ken said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Rubbish, she had it because she’s from Victoria and she considers that to represent her view of Australia. Howard never went anywhere without his Wallaby gear because he’s from NSW and he considered that to represent his view of Australia. Don’t read too deep into politicians, their motivations are generally fairly shallow.
March 31st 2011 @ 7:59pm
sheek said | March 31st 2011 @ 7:59pm | Report comment
Who cares what type of ball the wranger had. It would have been impractical for her to walk into the White House with an AFL Sherrin: an NRL Steden: a rugby union Gilbert AND a FIFA round balI. In any case, I’m not sure where she came from, or her favourite footy code was a contributing factor.
The boffins around her probably decided on the sherrin simply because AFL pips NRL by a whisker as the most popular footy code nation wide. Fair enough, I say…..
March 31st 2011 @ 9:51am
TammyS said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:51am | Report comment
NRL has Oprah and AFL has Obama. Its even now.
March 31st 2011 @ 4:22pm
PaddyBoy said | March 31st 2011 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
They both have the build for their respective sports. Oprah would make a fine prop and a lot of the skills used in B’Ball are present in Aussie Rules, Aussie Rules is tougher, but where’s the audible smack-talk?
March 31st 2011 @ 10:20am
Wayno said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Rudd presented a Broncos jumper to PNG PM Somare afew years ago. Same same but dont recall any outrage at the time!
March 31st 2011 @ 11:06am
Sam el Perro said | March 31st 2011 @ 11:06am | Report comment
The only difference being that Somare was already a league fan (albeit, sadly, a NSW supporter) whereas Obama had and has no idea what Australian Rules is.
March 31st 2011 @ 12:36pm
Wayno said | March 31st 2011 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Still shameless parochialism for the leader of the nation. Every bit as bad as Juliar handing over an iPod loaded with Australian born artists and a ball from an Australian born game.
March 31st 2011 @ 2:39pm
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Obama appeared to understand immediately that this was a Sherrin, the ball used in the Autralian game, and he tried to handball it – demonstrating a very good understanding of the game.
All countries need their icons and symbols.
Ours is the Sherrin, and we should all be proud of that.
March 31st 2011 @ 2:55pm
Football United said | March 31st 2011 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
a sherrin is not an icon of 55% of Australia
March 31st 2011 @ 2:57pm
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
The Opera House is in Sydney, but it’s still an Australian icon.
Dame Edna Everidge is from Moonee Ponds, but we can all relate to her as the archetypal Australian.
March 31st 2011 @ 8:20pm
sherrin-burley-faulkner said | March 31st 2011 @ 8:20pm | Report comment
Good analogy, many people hate the opera house, the design etc, but unquestionably it is an Australian icon.
The Sherrin is Collingwood, made, born and bred and represents the typical Australian working class that can also be parrelled to the likes of old Balmain, South Sydney or Western Suburbs in RL terms.
Before starting making/fixing footballs, and starting his own bussiness, Tommy Sherrin was a bootmaker/tanner in and around the factories of Collingwood.
Ah… the sherrin also known as the The Pill, The Nut, The Tooty, The T.W, The Cherry, The Agat, The Pigskin (actually made from cow hide), The Tommy and the The Air Conveyance, amongst mnany others. ….. bit off track now…
March 31st 2011 @ 6:40pm
pike64 said | March 31st 2011 @ 6:40pm | Report comment
The PNG PM Somare would most probably have been a fan of Rugby League and would know of the Brisbane Broncos. I doubt whether Obama knows about AFL or even cares outside of being diplomatically polite to Juliar.
March 31st 2011 @ 8:07pm
sherrin-burley-faulkner said | March 31st 2011 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
Thats true, he probably doesn’t care, but it is an icebreaker, a photo opp, and cultural gesture
March 31st 2011 @ 9:10am
Tristan Rayner said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:10am | Report comment
@jamesb – it’s hardly unfair to think that Julia Gillard would take her personal game to the White House. John Howard took his game, cricket, to India (I think!) with that sensational over of fierce half trackers and aggression
A note to you all too. Play nice today. There’ll be a particularly low tolerance on outright code bashing. This article, while perhaps not perfect, is more olive branch than anything else. The Roar is a place for respectful sporting debate, not flaming or abusive remarks. Cheers, Tristan (The Roar Ed).
March 31st 2011 @ 9:42am
Whites said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:42am | Report comment
It was Pakistan.
March 31st 2011 @ 1:46pm
katzilla said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
“that sensational over of fierce half trackers and aggression”
Lol good one.
Potential refugees probably thought he was an old kind gentle soul after seeing that over.
Imagine their shock to show up on Christmas island to find a 30 foot statue of Chairman Howard in his wallabies outfit with the look of a librarian who’d just been handed a book two years overdue.
March 31st 2011 @ 6:26pm
jamesb said | March 31st 2011 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
Tristan you missed my point
Julia was handballing a sherrin to Obama, which in turn represents the game of AFL. The PERCEPTION is that ALL of Australia LOVES AFL
Now here on the Roar, we just had a thread about Demetrious comments which generated a code war of over 400 comments, which is a very small snapshot of our society. Thats the point I was trying to make.
Also Tristan, you want everyone to be nice on the roar today. While at the same time you give John Howard a backhanded compliment about his bowling!
BTW its funny how everyone ignored one line of mine where I said, “each code has their strengths and weaknesses”.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:25am
Brendon said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:25am | Report comment
John Howard went to India and yes he did cricket.. But he also walked around in a wallaby tracksuit and went to sydney swans afl games..
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March 31st 2011 @ 10:28am
Ken said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:28am | Report comment
and was the number one ticket holder for St George
March 31st 2011 @ 12:31pm
Whites said | March 31st 2011 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
St George Illawarra.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:42am
Brett McKay said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:42am | Report comment
the cynical answer would be ‘to sell papers’ or ‘to generate internet traffic’ but I guess the code wars are really just an extension of arguments around BBQs and pub bars. If we didn’t have the code wars, there would still be intra-code wars (“Carlton’s better than Collingwood/Parramatta’s better than St.George/Illawarra/the Reds are better than the Waratahs”), so there will always be some level of disagreement.
So I get why there are code wars. What I don’t get is why they go on for so freakin’ long?!?! Seriously, 400+ comments on Demetiou’s anti-FIFA comments?!?!
Check out the Most Discussed articles list below – all of them code wars: 865 comments, 820, 773, 723, 709….. Don’t you guys have something ELSE to do?!?!
March 31st 2011 @ 9:47am
Redb said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Fortunately, there is still a lively rivalry between clubs and their fans.
Carlton & Manly deserve far more pilloring than any single sport/code in OZ.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:52am
The Bush said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Brett,
I agree, instead of Code Wars, let’s bring back State Wars: Queensland is better than New South Wales at everything. Period.
P.S. Brett I’m willing to exchange 866 posts with you as to why Queensland is better than New South Wales if you’d like to be the new best War in town…
March 31st 2011 @ 9:58am
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
I just had a read of that article below with 865 posts. It’s a surprisingly well written, engaging and witty piece, and the fact that it has garnered the most interest in the history of the Roar is probably a testament to that.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:23am
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:23am | Report comment
More MLF hubris, your article with 865 post is the most commented on this website because over 25% of comments are yours alone.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:24am
The_Wookie said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:24am | Report comment
he is allowed to respond to comments on his own articles. Its not a fault that he takes an active interest in the discussion thereof.
March 31st 2011 @ 11:27am
The_Wookie said | March 31st 2011 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Go the Maroons
March 31st 2011 @ 1:02pm
Brett McKay said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
sorry Bushy, I’m preparing myself for Morris Dancing, a much less mind-numbing experience that having that discussion with you (the discussion being the mind-numbing bit, not that it’s being had with you, by the way. Besides, it’s difficult to find fault in your opening arguement at the moment…)
March 31st 2011 @ 9:45am
Jay said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Not sure if we can play hypotheticals here. Look at football in England, Italy and Spain. Its football first and daylight second. And the code seems to grow and do very well.
Ditto cricket on the subcontinent.
Yes, we have diversity in sport, which is a great thing. But its hard to conclude if certain codes did not exist, that the ambitions of the dominant codes would recede greatly.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:48am
The Bush said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:48am | Report comment
“Now let’s imagine if the NRL was the only major professional competition running in Australia.
What would the people of Western Australia, the Northern Territory and South Australia do sports wise, who have little to no interest in the game of Rugby League.”
If the NRL, and Rugby League as a sport, was the only professional game in town, then I assume that people from Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory would love it (Territorians do like it by the way).
The reason they don’t follow the game now is not because of some genetic predisposition to Aussie Rules, it is because Aussie Rules won their hearts and minds before Rugby League even showed up.
The same goes for Queenslanders and New South Welshmen, if Rugby Union (and then League as the professional evolution of the sport here), had not won over the crowds at the dawn of the 20th Century, then they would be passionate Aussie Rules fans (or some other sport, maybe). In fact, from memory, Aussie Rules nearly did win over Queensland until the Private Schools of the period voted (and barely in a majority) to play Rugby.
People get so fired up because, mostly, we are products of our upbringing. We follow the sports that our peers and forebears followed, because it the easiest to access, the most likely to be taught to us at school etc.
Australia’s unique footy landscape is the product of our unique national development. The Colonies/States were all extremely far away and unable to participate in inter-city/state competitions on a regular basis (unlike the other large nation, the US, with it’s larger population and superior infrastructure).
The Rugby League/Rugby Union divide is the result of Sydney/New South Wales being one of the few significant regions on earth were Rugby was the dominant sport in a large city with the money likely to be attracted to professionalism (unlike the more rural New Zealand and Wales). The only other significant region with the money to be attracted to professional “Rugby” was also attracted to League – France.
Footballs rise in the second half of the 20th Century is the byproduct of being a Western Country that has gone through (percentage wise) significant population growth, predominantly from European countries where football was king.
Embrace it people!
March 31st 2011 @ 11:40pm
Pffft said | March 31st 2011 @ 11:40pm | Report comment
Islam managed to take over regions and nations that once favoured other religions. AFL is doing the same thing to NSW and QLD.
April 1st 2011 @ 12:03am
The Bush said | April 1st 2011 @ 12:03am | Report comment
Why do people on this site enjoying drawing parallels between world events, history and sport so much.
Hopefully you were being witty…
If not, and you’re comparing the geopolitical climate in the Near East and Arabia in the Seventh Century as the Eastern Roman Empire crumbled, with the launch of the Gold Coast Suns and GWS, you’re a little bit deluded.
Developed sporting nations such as the US and Australia, who are already at saturation point sporting wise, will always remain tough markets to crack for “foreign” sports. Not impossible, but very, very difficult.
March 31st 2011 @ 9:54am
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 9:54am | Report comment
I put myself forward as the exemplar for all Roar correspondents, following all sports, and commenting across the board with objectivity, humility, good grace and intelligence.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:26am
Midfielder said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Off to church ….. Father O’Reilly will not stand for such outrageous statements…
March 31st 2011 @ 10:10am
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:10am | Report comment
There is a person who contributes 20%, yes 20% of all the comments on this website when it comes to code wars pieces. For example 100 out of the 486 comments on last weeks ” Demetriou calls the kettle black piece” belongs to one person.
Brett McKay asked if people like this have nothing else to do.
Here is a smattering of more useful things than chronic posting on code war pieces.
People with the condition should take one of them up.
Macrame
TrainSpotting
Morris Dancing
Origami
March 31st 2011 @ 10:19am
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:19am | Report comment
I think it’s more of a concern that you should feel inclined to waste time counting.
I’m not one to count bed post notches.
I prefer to always look forward and to encourge others to meet my high standards.
I’m a giver and an educator first and foremost.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:34am
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Hit the Control F button, type in the name you want to search and go next, next,next, next. Only takes a minute of my time. Unlike the countless, wasted hours devoted to pounding out trivial sporting verbiage.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:36am
Tristan Rayner said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Chrome and Firefox give you the count automatically Art. Saves that minute.
March 31st 2011 @ 10:37am
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Thanks for the tip Tristan
March 31st 2011 @ 11:44am
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 11:44am | Report comment
I have a loyal, dedicated band of readers, and it’s incumbent on me to provide them with information and clarification that they so very much desire.
March 31st 2011 @ 12:29pm
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
very funny, MLF, I just checked your blog – where the only piece that generated any comment (only from roarchild and dasilva) was moping about your treatment on The Roar.
http://barklystend.blogspot.com/2010/11/stifling-world-cup-debate.html#comments
Look, I’m even helping you advertise your blog
Here’s some advice, if you want respect then you have to earn it. Posting under numerous aliases (sometimes 2 at a time) and not being accountable for what you write is not going to do it. Your blog does not even tell the world who you are. Being anonymous is not brave.
March 31st 2011 @ 12:59pm
Tristan Rayner said | March 31st 2011 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
I’d prefer to steer clear of these arguments that occur across many, many threads. Thanks gentlemen.
March 31st 2011 @ 1:27pm
MyLeftFoot said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Oh please MLF. Last chance before being placed on moderation. Tristan.
March 31st 2011 @ 12:56pm
Brett McKay said | March 31st 2011 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
Art, talk me through Morris Dancing….
March 31st 2011 @ 1:00pm
Tristan Rayner said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Brett, an intro via Four Tet: http://www.lostateminor.com/2011/03/09/morris-dancing-to-a-four-tet-track/
March 31st 2011 @ 1:07pm
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
LOL, Tristan, what superb linkage. I was just tweeting about Four Tet with Kevin Airs
Great Stuff!
March 31st 2011 @ 1:17pm
Brett McKay said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
..and don’t you hate when you form your own idea of what something is, only to find it couldn’t be further from what that something really is?!? I had visions of a crack precision driving team in Minors and 1600s…
March 31st 2011 @ 1:31pm
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Brett – so you’re not a fan of Morris Dancing.
How about trying some of this instead. You’re the guy in the white suit.
Did someone say dance wars
March 31st 2011 @ 1:38pm
Brett McKay said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
I’d be a fan of my version of Morris Dancing…
(btw, I can’t view that video where I am currently, but I will check it out..)
March 31st 2011 @ 1:41pm
Art Sapphire said | March 31st 2011 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
you won’t regret it, Brett!