To be honest, Springbok rugby is in the kuk
By Rusty, 19 Apr 2011 Rusty is a Roar Guru
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It’s well known that Super rugby success, or failure for that matter, doesn’t translate to either result in the international arena. However, after nine rounds there isn’t a whole lot of optimism drifting through South African rugby circles.
Sure, the Stormers are currently in the top four and the Sharks are well placed for a late charge. However, there are some very worrying signs appearing that must be questioned and hopefully answered.
Conservatism and Possession:
Historically not the most adventurous, South African sides have tended to rely on a fusion of belligerent defence, forward set piece dominance and tactical kicking.
This is the current game plan of the leading South African conference sides the Stormers, Sharks and Bulls in that order of execution. The Bulls being the largest practitioners but poorest executors at this juncture.
There is nothing overtly wrong with this game plan providing your execution is spot on and the opposition can be pressured into making mistakes you can capitalise on.
Therein lies the issue, when other more possession orientated sides keep the ball and make a mistake it’s often in the wrong part of the field to capitalise on. So usually what happens is the SA side will then kick the ball back to that side, who will then run it back to repeat the cycle.
This is defensively very taxing and provides limited opportunity which when presented have to be capitalised on. So where to from here?
It is an interesting fact that the most adventurous sides are the cellar dwellers the Lions and Cheetahs. Their problem is the complete opposite, having a lack of defensive and set piece structure. It would almost seem that the SA sides are incapable of marrying the two approaches. Almost.
I honestly thought the Sharks and to a lesser extend the Stormers were breaking the mould but both teams have since reverted to type perhaps in a bid to emulate last years winning Bulls blueprint.
Pieter de Villiers:
Not the most popular man unless you are searching for a humorous sound byte. The head coach has managed to avoid the usual issues surrounding his role and come up with new conspiracies and divisiveness all by himself.
Despite the odd contextual issue this man does not inspire confidence and his stubbornness could be the greatest stumbling block to the Springboks defending their title.
The Breakdown:
Long has been the fascination in big tall heavy ball carrying loosies. As such we tend to develop, or should I say promote, very few real to the ball players. The exception is Brussouw but we cant have our hopes pinned on a single player.
Players like Francois Louw, Botes and Stegmann need to become more accurate in their play. It’s not just down to the “fetchers” but an overall systemic failure in the approach to the breakdown.
The SA sides and the Boks have stopped trying to force turnovers through the ruck. Instead, committing fewer numbers to put out more runners or more defenders in the line ala circa ‘10. This has led them to be quite exposed to the aggressive counter rucking employed by several Kiwi sides and the Reds who flood this area.
Although there is a certain amount of nous in this with the first through the gate pushing up the advantage line for the second to then wheel in from the side. This sideways shove is negating the defence pretty easily and opening up the ruck for turnover. Legal or not we have to stop approaching the ruck like it was 2010 all over again.
There aren’t many opportunities to get hold of the ball but given how many rucks are afforded when playing a possession based team this is definitely one of them.
The Bulls:
For a long time now the core of the Bok squad in both personnel and gameplay. Recent humiliations to the premier sides of the other conferences the Reds and Crusaders have thrown several veteran Bok’s form into question and raised huge concerns over the game plan to be employed by the Boks.
After all its easier for players to play what they know and so having the Boks mirror the Bulls has been pretty logical. Now that the Bulls cant even play their own game how are those players going to fare in the national team?
Key Players:
They say a world cup winning squad should have around 5-6 of the best players in the world in their position. It’s debatable that the Boks have just one at the moment in Bismarck du Plessis.
Which brings us onto the key players within the Bok squad. Those that should be in a rich vein of form but aren’t and in some cases should be out of the pecking order completely. Can Smit be carried? Will we ever see Spies ’09 again? What happened to Habana? Is the world cup campaign one too far for Matfield and Botha?
Other concerns hinge around injuries. Will Bekker and Brussouw get back to full fitness? Will Juan Smith be able to make it at all?
The biggest concern however has got to be Fourie du Preez. Since having shoulder surgery he has been a shadow of himself. Admittedly his forwards have been giving him terrible ball but he should be a player that grabs a game by the scruff of the neck.
In the coming months some tough decisions will need to be made on some of these core players and in some cases I hope the decision comes from themselves.
Tactics:
Might is right and if it isn’t you are wrong – and so we play on. For a team to beat the Boks they just need to front up to our physicality or play around it. Either way we have no answers. There is no Plan B, only Plan A. We need adaptable variation.
The Future:
There are a few certain truths and a whole lot of ifs but all is not lost though. Even employing our current style and dragging the opposition into an arm wrestle on our terms will most likely result in a win. It may also do the game no favours but there is an element of truth to PdV’s statement about conservatism winning world cups.
It’s less risk to be defensive than attacking and providing the execution is spot on and we play inside the other teams half we can grind most down. The players also have the golden currency of experience and know what it takes to win a world cup. It’s just a question if the class of ’07 have the legs to do it again in ’11.
Now on to the ifs. If the Sharks can get back playing the game where they left off at the CC final. If the Stormers backline starts to score tries. These two teams could then form a formidable core for the Boks with existing combinations. A side that can both play tactically and possession orientated with defensive steel. If some of the current crop can re-discover their form even better.
If PdV can actually coach, do what he says he will and make the hard decisions around the game plan and players. Then we could see Alberts, Beast, Bekker, Aplon, Basson, Lambie, Fourie, Brussouw, Bismarck and perhaps Vermuelen carrying the team through.
The biggest hurdle in the end could be the time to adapt and this is why we need the Super rugby sides to show the way. It’s a long shot but I certainly wouldn’t be writing the Boks off yet.
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April 19th 2011 @ 8:03am
CizzyRascal said | April 19th 2011 @ 8:03am | Report comment
I really think that Lambie could be an important cog in this team. I would leave Steyn at 10, but put Lambie at inside centre. Steyn’s kicking ability will be very important come the World Cup, but does need someone more creative outside him.
I think Lambie can add that element to the midfield, which if it is just de Villiers and Fourie lacks spark.
April 19th 2011 @ 8:40am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Rascal for Lambie to be creative he needs the ball, something he is not going to get with Steyn inside him.
the problem with the boks is this PDV is not good enough, he has not invested in the future, he is relying on the past. Its failing… He and his team of wave riders Muir (plumtree wave) and PDV (white wave) have both tried to implement “running at all cost” game plans that both failed. With the boks and with the Lions (pre Mitchel)
As a proper coach once showed (white) you don’t needs to through the baby out with the bath water, White knew he lacked the innovation to produce fancy back line moves… and so hired Eddie Jones with the away team for the 3N testing a lot of the theories.
This paid off for the boks when they needed points or fell behind… bang game plan changes and they could score using their back line.. and all this time still staying true to their history.
Unfortunately de clown and co are to busy defending their ego’s by pointing fingers at each other and the players to actualy tackle the problem at hand.
Its an epic fail for SARU, its an epic fail for the boks and South africa. Most of all its a slap in the face to “coaches of color” like Cotzee (stormers) who actually know what they are doing.
The boks have no plan B, they have no new backup or in line capped new players, their once good defence is history, the game plan outdated, the crew getting on, the bosses hiding from the polititions… nope the boks wont get close this year.
And it good they dont (i say it with a heavy heart) SARU misses on the big pay check, we fall in the IRB ratings, everyone should feel embarrassed and picking a token black coach.
Catch a wake up and employ the best international coach they can lay their hand on and let him do his job. Start fresh and build for 2015.
April 19th 2011 @ 8:47am
Rusty said | April 19th 2011 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Morne hasnt exactly been dead eye himself this season so I would plumb for the younger Lambie who brings more variation to the game and doesnt stand so deep. The issue in the midfield for the Stormers is currently JdV who just seems happy to become an Olivier and bash it up the middle. Maybe he has lost that pace to take the gap. Even though de Jongh is more of an outside centre he excelled in the 12 last year for the Stormers. On a long shot for the world cup Frans Steyn might also be a viable 12 option – not like he hasnt played a world cup there before or has inexperience
April 19th 2011 @ 9:10am
CizzyRascal said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:10am | Report comment
I would keep Frans Steyn for full back, which is probably the biggest problem area. You could put Aplon there, but I would have Aplon on the wing.
April 19th 2011 @ 8:42am
steve said | April 19th 2011 @ 8:42am | Report comment
It’s spelt kak not kuk. Just a friendly correction from an Afrikaner. Well i’m not to sure what you want from the Sharks, they do have 4 bonus points for scoring 4 tries or more. The issue at the sharks has been that Patrick Lambie has been injured for the last 3 and half games and JLP is the most pedestrian fly half in South Africa today. He can’t get the Sharks backs firing like a fully fit Lamborghini can . JLP is a fly half who comes out of the Naas botha school of fly halves [same as Derek Hougaard, Morne Steyn] the only difference is he can’t kick to save his life, which was a telling factor in the game against the Crusaders.
The issue with the bulls is not so much that its a team in decline but rather a true reflection of the coaching credentials of Ludeke and his ilk. Much as its said that PDV inherited a winning team and had to coach very little the same is true of Ludeke. There are certain members of the Bulls that are out of form and with more time in the vodacom cup would soon sharpen their skills and be playing fit [ du preez, botha, matefield] , however because Ludeke and Russow are such inept individuals they need to rely on these senior players to carry the team through instead of doing some real coaching and taking chances with younger, hungrier players.
The stormers are playing exactly the game that is going to win the Boks the world cup and don’t be surprised with an England Boks final again.
One also needs to consider that the Boks have the luxury of selecting foreign based players and I think players like Frans Steyn and Ruan Pienaar are going to be very handy World cup time. One more point that I agree but disagree with you is about the break down. South Africa does have an obsession with big ball carrying loosies but we use our more mobile hookers to act as the forth loosie and do most of the ground work. Please watch the sharks game and see how many turn overs Bismark gets in a game. I would say to a lesser extend Gary Botha and Deon Fourie fill that roll for the bulls and stormers respectively. This trend has perpetuated itself throughout South African rugby from the days of James Dolton, it was only the advent of a certain john smit that cut it short.
April 19th 2011 @ 9:02am
Rusty said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:02am | Report comment
baie dankie meneer for the correction but then all our ozzie mates will be saying kak unlike the pronounciation which is kuk. Anyways on to the matter at hand. The Sharks are well placed but their gameplan has shifted from the one that got them the currie cup last year. I also think they were significantly weakend when Strauss when to the Cheetahs and perhaps their midfield is their weakest point. Lambie is the key though and if he is the first choice for the Boks I will be a happy man.
True the hookers are playing as additional loose forwards but I disagree that traditionally they should fill the fetcher role. Flanks like Krige and a younger Burger were the primary ball snafflers. The hookers should add to the party not be the only one playing to the ball. Bismark is the exception – a great one at that and we felt it when he was injured.
April 19th 2011 @ 8:56am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Props we have aplenty in SA so Bismark at 2
4 and 5 should be Bekker and Matfield
6. Burger
7. ??
8. ?? please no Spies
9. Du Preez
10. Lambie
11. Hougard
12. Frans Steyn (give him heaps of 3N game to speed him up)
13 Fourie
15. ??
Try to inject some youth with Lambie and Steyn, also Bekker who has taken on a hardman persona of late (which he lacked)
Help me out, help the boks out.
If PDV takes January in any squad this year I will personally fly over and slap him with a KG of beacon.
April 19th 2011 @ 9:00am
CizzyRascal said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Temba,
How about the Smith at 7 and Alberts at 8?
April 19th 2011 @ 9:02am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Good idea rascal but then we have to drop Burger, SA needs to adapt and include a fetcher. Brussow if he can stay fit for more then 10 minutes. But as Steve pointed out Bismark does a good job at this.
April 19th 2011 @ 9:12am
CizzyRascal said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Brussow is a must if he’s fit, but the chances of that seem increasingly unlikely. Is Francois Louw completely out of the picture now?
April 20th 2011 @ 10:12am
Rusty said | April 20th 2011 @ 10:12am | Report comment
I hope not – the kid has talent but his timing this season is letting him down a bit
April 19th 2011 @ 9:06am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Its a little pointless really as PDV should have combo’ed these players last year. What time do they have to get to know each other this year?
Best bet is to take Jake Whites team or closest to it and hope the old legs hold for one last hora.
April 19th 2011 @ 9:09am
Rusty said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:09am | Report comment
1. Beast/JC van Rensburg/Steenkamp
2. Bismark
3. Jannie/CJ
4. Bekker
5. Matfield
6. Alberts/Burger/Smith
7. Brussouw/F Louw
8. Vermuelen/Alberts
9. Pretorious/FdP/Hougaard
10.Lambie/Steyn
11. Basson/Killian
12. F Steyn/Jdv/De Jongh
13. Fourie/de Jongh
14. Mvovo/Aplon
15. Aplon/Taute
Plenty of options
April 19th 2011 @ 9:15am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
PLenty of options rusty, good team but alot of the young blokes have not been capped and again there needs to be combinations. 7 games before the RWC (i think) is not enough time to setup combinations.
I am a bok and a bulls supporter and I am telling you, I would not pick M Steyn
9 we need DU Preeze who will be fit, he is still the best 9 in the world but making a recovery. Pretorious as backup and setup as future bok. Needs international experience. He can take over from next year.
The forwards look awesome.
April 20th 2011 @ 4:56am
steve said | April 20th 2011 @ 4:56am | Report comment
I think Russow, Skyes, johann muller and franco van der mervwe all have a fair shout at lock for the boks. I think another very underrated loosie in S.A is Keegan Daniels. He is in some fine form and could really bring a different dimension to the Boks game, particularly if he came of the bench. JP Pietersen is gaining some form again and it would be interesting to see how he goes for the rest of the tournament. That try he scored against the Lions was a cracker, reads the ball well in the air. Another option for the Boks at wing maybe.
The S.A sides dominated their New Zealand counterparts last year and there was sense of despair out of New Zealand after the tournament until the All blacks got together and began to dismantle all in front of them, this pattern could repeat itself:)
April 20th 2011 @ 10:14am
Rusty said | April 20th 2011 @ 10:14am | Report comment
I rate Keegan but if there is one thing we arent short of its quality loosies. The key will be getting a balanced backrow that suit whatever game plan the mad Mexican wants us to play
April 19th 2011 @ 9:15am
Lee said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
How about:
1. Beast
2. Bismark
3. JDP(or anyone)
4. Bekker
5, Matfiled
6. Smith
7. Brussow
8. Alberts
9. Du Preez
10. Lambie
11. Aplon
12. F Steyn
13. Fourie
14. Mvovo
15. Kirchner/Jantjes
16. Smit
17. Steenkamp
18. Roussouw
19. Burger
20. Hougaard
21. M Steyn/James
22. De Jong
Would happily shift F Steyn to fullback for De Jong to move into centre, but have always thought Styen has been at his best/most dangerous at inside centre.
Smit for leadership in the last 20 when Matfield comes off and Dannie comes on.
Burger in for Smith in the last 20 for grunt, and defense(same for Guthro).
Hougaard can cover 9,11,14.
April 19th 2011 @ 9:21am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Lee spot on! If that is the team I recon they have a chance of beating the AB’s. Its a mix of old and new but still has many of combinations. Lambie will be fine with FDP and F steyn on sides.
Whats the bet PDV will go with this?
April 19th 2011 @ 9:32am
Lee said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:32am | Report comment
I won’t be putting any money on it…
PDV’s team:
1. Beast
2. Smit
3. JDP
4. Bakkies
5. Matfield
6. Smith/Burger
7. Brussow/Burger
8. Spies
9. FDP
10. M Steyn
11. Aplon
12. Olivier
13. Fourie
14. Habana
15. Kirchner
April 19th 2011 @ 9:36am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Lee you forgot AD Jacobs and Ricky January.
April 19th 2011 @ 11:20am
Lee said | April 19th 2011 @ 11:20am | Report comment
I had…now I am more depressed about the WC…
April 20th 2011 @ 9:26am
Rusty said | April 20th 2011 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Ricky ‘KFC’ is so far past it, it is amazing
AD on the other hand has at least added some zip into what it quite a poor Sharks midfield everytime he has come on.
Tell you who has looked pretty good for the Sharks and that Ndungane. Has made lots of meters and chooses great angles to run
April 20th 2011 @ 1:50pm
Brian said | April 20th 2011 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
You can’t (shouldn’t) play two similar locks together – ie. Matfield and Bekker. You need one athletic lock (Matfield OR Bekker) and one bruiser type (ie. Bakkies or Flip).
April 20th 2011 @ 2:54pm
TembaVJ said | April 20th 2011 @ 2:54pm | Report comment
Brian you are talking about Bekker 2 seasons ago, dont know if you have watch much of his game but he has become all of the above. He is rough and tough, great in the jumping and very mobile
April 19th 2011 @ 9:30am
Rusty said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Just checked the TAB and the odds are a girraffe to an easter egg. PdV is going to be the single biggest problem for us
April 19th 2011 @ 9:48am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Need I say more
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Div-hunts-Jakes-fitness-guru-20110418
April 19th 2011 @ 11:23am
Lee said | April 19th 2011 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Too many cooks…
And 6 months out from a WC, surely this stuff should have been done before the November tour last year(with regards to fitness/conditioning).
Seems like PDV is prepping all his excuses…
April 19th 2011 @ 11:52am
stuff happens said | April 19th 2011 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Rusty I wouldn’t be writing the ‘Boks off yet either because you have as talented a group of players as any country including NZ. Plus you have an excellent blend of experience & youth.
The problem as many of the posts confirm lies in the leadership groups in SA & the failure to embrace new patterns of attacking play as NZ has done.Unless the ‘Boks coaching group adapt you won’t win the RWC.
Interesting article posted by Temba above because it was clear in the TN last year that the ‘Boks weren’t as fit as the AB’s. This should never have been allowed to happen.
Finally something on Pierre Spies. During the race to the line in Digby Ione’s try for the Reds last weekend look at the players chasing him. At one stage one of the Bulls is running faster than Ione & closing. Who? Yep, Pierre Spies. Spies suffers from poor coaching. He’s one of the most remarkable athletes in rugby but most of the time the Bulls & the ‘Boks haven’t worked out how to make the most of him.
April 19th 2011 @ 11:59am
TembaVJ said | April 19th 2011 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Stuff happens I was pointing to the 07 away team for 3N when they left all the big guns at home. The did not win anything but they looked good running with ball in hand.
I hear you on Pierre Spies, he will sign over to Europe after the RWC this might do him well, he needs to learn to stay on his feet a bit more… something a good 8 should do.
I have always thought he should drop about 5-7KG and move back to the wing. Even Jake White said the other day Spies needs to add to his game as they have figured him out.
He should spend some time with SBW and develop that off load.
April 19th 2011 @ 11:59am
Lee said | April 19th 2011 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Kind of agree about Spies – I noticed that too(him gaining on Ione), the only problem is that he is an 8, not a winger. If he did what he should be doing around the park as well as putting in 80m chases he would be perfect.
He just isn’t having an impact around the park though.
April 19th 2011 @ 1:00pm
ohtani's jacket said | April 19th 2011 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
What if the Stormers win the Super 14? Does that change your outlook any? I still think it’s way too soon to be reaching any conclusions especially when World Cup games will come down to the ref’s whistle. North Hemisphere refs usually hammer the All Blacks for their work at the breakdown so who’s to say the 2010 approach won’t work at the WC? If the Boks have strong ball carrying forwards who can link and offload with the backs then I don’t see why they can’t play like the Sharks at their best.
April 19th 2011 @ 1:35pm
Rusty said | April 19th 2011 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
OJ – It would depend how they didi it. The Bulls won last year quite convincingly but the gameplan they used was ineffective at the international level. So if the Stormers win by shutting people out and splitting their defenses with incisive running – then yes I will be very pleased because its an almost all Bok backline.
April 19th 2011 @ 2:53pm
Pius Silver said | April 19th 2011 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
Great stuff Rusty. This forum doesn’t get a lot of Saffer input and it’s nice to be kept up to speed on the ins and outs of Bok rugby. A lot of good responses from your countrymen, too. We all puzzle over PdV’s selections as we do Lievremont’s and even some of Jonno’s. Deans has only two or three spots to be uncertain about while Henry has 30 players who are ready to step up right now. He probably has the hardest job of all because he has to sift through all the quality.
Hope to hear from you after next weekend’s games.
April 19th 2011 @ 6:12pm
German rugbyfan said | April 19th 2011 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
Here’s my best bok team, from a foreigners point of view…
1- Beast (the one the crowd screams the loudest for)
2- Bismarck ( the German army-tank)
3- JDP ( brother of the German army-tank)
4- Bekker ( he was good playing tennis for us)
5- Matfield ( oud, Maar nog nicht koud nicht)
6- Burger ( my favourite junk food, they should make a movie about this guy)
7- Juan Smit ( the unseen hero of SA rugby, people in the Netherlands love him, heerenveen area, dutch dont watch rugby)
8- Alberts ( ask the welsh, the irish, the scots and the poms about this guy)
9- Hougaard ( he may not yet be as good as FDP as a scrummie, but he has the X-factor….and he has dancing shoes)
10- Lambie ( need i say more, be glad he became a bok as soon as it was possible, cos he was eligible for Scotland)
11-Basson ( i gont know if you’v notiched but this guy is a real classic winger, unlike habana, he doesnt just have speed, he is also a X-factor)
12- De jongh ( he has an unbelieveble side step, and he’s defense is much better then Jean’s)
13- Fourie ( most importantly, he is a finisher)
14- Mvovo (give him space, close your eyes for a second, see what happens)
15- F.Steyn ( all he needs are a couple CC or Tri-nations games to get him up to speed, i truelly believe other nations are afraid of him)
Now…there you have it, a good enough team to go toe to toe with the AB come semi-finals. Someone should kidnap De clown, brain wash him into thinking he’s from England, cut his 16th century spanish pirate moustache, bleach his skin and secretly ship him of to London, let him coach there! the poms will never know the difference.
My Afrikaans is bad but…maak die span reg voordat de KAK in ons gevreete spat…..