Is Football Federation of Australia treated fairly?
By ItsCalledFootball, 29 Apr 2011 ItsCalledFootball is a Roar Guru
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The federal government’s four-year $32 million funding grant to the Football Federation of Australia (FFA) expires this financial year.
Following on from a failed and expensive 2022 World Cup hosting rights campaign, and falling A-League revenue, the financial problems of the FFA and the continued funding of football and the code’s administration becomes more critical now than ever.
The FFA had been in talks with the government for several months before the last federal election about extending football’s funding arrangement. Initially the discussions with the former federal sports minister Kate Ellis and the federal communications minister senator Conroy were very promising.
Leading up to the elections there was talk of not only extending the football funding, but even doubling it to $16 million a year and also putting the Socceroos and A-League on the federal government’s anti-siphoning list, so that more football would have to be shown on free-to-air (FTA) television, which would undoubtedly make the sport more popular in Australia.
However, a lot has changed since the election.
The global financial crisis, some major natural disasters across the country, and a stuttering Australian economy has put some strains on the Federal Reserve and its ability to meet all of its election promises.
The other major sports are also continuing to lobby Canberra for more money as they try and expand and compete for junior footballers and their territories. They are even arguing for a reduction in funding for football, especially after the $45.6 million grant to assist the failed 2022 World Cup bid drawing plenty of criticism.
There is genuine growing concern now that the government will be reluctant to continue to support football the way it has in the past.
The discussions about conducting a review of football had also been happening for some time already with Kate Ellis and the FFA were happy to oblige.
However, the new federal sports minister Mark Arbib’s relationship with the FFA and the Australian football family hasn’t got off to the best of starts.
Instead of discussing the football funding arrangements and review with the FFA beforehand or even making a joint announcement, the Smith review was made public by Mr Arbib in an interview on Sky News’ Australian Agenda program on Sunday night, without the FFA’s knowledge.
The FFA to its credit didn’t make a major issue of it, and is welcoming the review and taking part for the good of the game. What else could they do? They are the poor cousin in need of money and they have to put up with the slings and insults to get the help they need.
Well at least they will have a proper professional assessment of where the game is at and hopefully some suggestions on how to improve it, without having to spend any of its own money.
However, not only has senator Arbib damaged the FFA’s credibility by making public announcements about the FFA without their knowledge, he has also created a negative backlash from the Australian public and press that will only further devalue the sporting asset he is trying to value.
Despite Mr Arbib’s ethnic background and Libyan heritage, his great sports love is rugby league and is a fully paid up member of the Sydney Roosters rugby league club. No one is sure if he even has any interest in football at all, so the FFA is expecting no favours from the federal sports minister.
The first steps of the review haven’t even started yet, but the FFA has already been judged guilty.
Football journalists like Craig Foster and Jesse Fink are using the announcement to make some fairly harsh judgements about the FFA and what they have or haven’t achieved. They are going so far as to say that we are worse off now under the FFA than we were in the past under Soccer Australia.
The sporting public has not surprisingly developed a perception that this latest review will be a heavy-handed follow-up to the Crawford Report – the 2003 document that was the catalyst for a revolution in the local game, especially with national teams and a new A-League domestic competition.
But I agree with Mike Cockerill’s assessment when he says football in this country and the A-League in particular, is not struggling because of bad administration, it is struggling because of lack of money – it has always been the poor cousin of other codes.
It doesn’t have the hundreds of millions of dollars of media rights money nor does it have a media empire as part owner.
I’m sure the FFA has many ideas and projects that it would love to implement for the good of the game, but just can’t because it doesn’t have the money right now.
Most of the teams, competitions and activities that the FFA funds are for the good of the country and its football communities and do not make any profit and they probably never will.
That makes the ongoing funding of football in Australia for its continued growth as important now as it has ever been.
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April 29th 2011 @ 6:53am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 6:53am | Report comment
Soccer has made much of the fact that it has billionaires like Lowy, Tinker and Palmer involved in the game. Why can’t they pay for all these charitable good works that the FFA has planned?
April 29th 2011 @ 8:47am
punter said | April 29th 2011 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Unfortunately you will never understand that football has about 9 national teams representing Australia, you follow a sport where representing your country is nearly non existence. But hey don’t worry your national league is going from strength to strength.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:37am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:37am | Report comment
To be completely honesty I really don’t mind about the government throwing a bit of money at soccer. What are we talking about, maybe $20M a year? Compared the other things the govt wastes money on this is spare change. Maybe one day soccer will be able to pay its own bills but I think we’re all agreed that’s a long way off.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:54am
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Fake—both sides of the house are more then happy to spend what ever it takes to advance Australian Football in Australia. You see, they know that Aussie Rules would indeed be a waste of time on the world stage—in the bigger scheme of things.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:58am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Well then everyone’s happy and you’ll get to keep firmly attached to the government teat. As per my response above AF, if I were to make a list of “crazy insane things the government wastes my money on” I doubt funding for soccer would even make the top 100.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:05am
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:05am | Report comment
I’m sure the government are more then happy (both sides of the house) the way our national teams are progressing. I’m please you are now in favour of the expenditure—as we all know that Aussie Rules is a dead end as far as the World Stage is concerned.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:18am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Whereas the success of the under-15 national junior joeys soccer team or whatever we call them is of enormous importance on the world stage – certainly whenever I’m OS on business people are always keen to discuss such matters.
Anyway, I’d love to stay and gloat some more AF, but things to do. Sing it with me now “we’re in the money, we’re in the money…”
April 29th 2011 @ 10:34am
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Fake—-yes the Joey’s success is important—I’m amazed you asked (or am I) as they will advance to each level for national representation and do Australia proud. I reckon they are better off there then to be in some sort of draft system for the Suns and GSW (or what ever the name is) as I’m sure they we feel more pride playing for Australia instead of some wasted vacuum in these struggling Aussie Rules clubs..
April 29th 2011 @ 9:03am
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:03am | Report comment
The government is doing it for their own benefit not for Football. That’s because it’s the only Australian Football code that has any real world currency—all the nations of the world speak the language of football.
April 29th 2011 @ 12:01pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
They don’t care about the other nations of the world, just the ones in Asia!
Which is why they’re making sure they get involved early with regards to the Asian Nations Cup. Its good to see, actually; no one in Aus wants to see the nation screw up that foray onto the international scene. And it would be nice to make a really good job of it and make FIFA wonder what could have been in 2022
Arguably, in geopolitical/strategic terms it will be the most important event Australia has undertaken since the 2000 Olympics, or APEC.
April 29th 2011 @ 2:41pm
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
“They don’t care about the other nations of the world, just the ones in Asia!”
Nathan—-I’m really not sure what you are implying here? You are aware that to reach the other world nations in world wide football competitions we need to advance successfully through Asia.. Point in case are the Matildas who are the “Asian Women’s National Football Champions” who will now compete in the FIFA Women’s Football World Cup in Germany as one of the favourites to progress through the group stages into the WC Final.. Be proud!!!
April 29th 2011 @ 2:46pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Nothing negative implied, I assure you. I mean to say, the Australian government sees opportunity for soft-power development within our neighbourhood, so I don’t think the national teams will ever lack for support. Government support for the 2015 Asian Nations Cup case in point.
The worldwide aspect is nice, but I think its the link to our neighbourhood that has Canberra’s interest. As it should be!
April 29th 2011 @ 2:51pm
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Yes very true Nathan… A win in Asia is also a win on the world stage..
April 29th 2011 @ 2:55pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
Well, I don’t know how much credibility Europe ascribes to Asian football, but I think the opinion is warming to us, courtesy of Japan, South Korea and Australia in the main.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:00pm
punter said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Nathan, as much as we would love to play the European sides in competitive matches, we however are not a European nation, we can only compete competitively apart from the World cup itself in Asia. Same as England can only play Brazil competitively in the WC, because Brazil is also not a European country.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:06pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
Quite.
Simply saying I’m not sure how much traction on the world stage we’d get, but thats not really important.
Its in Asia we need to make or mark, at least now. Australia to hoist the cup in 2015 or bust
April 29th 2011 @ 9:09am
whiskeymac said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:09am | Report comment
Tinker has only just got involved and tbh his vision is for his region, or so i am led to believe, and not one specific code/ club. I wish him all the best in that respect and hope he achieves what he sets out to do as it will beenfit a lot of people. Palmer is hanging in there. Both these people however are involved in the HAL and NYL, the local game.
the FFA has to look at more than just the hAL and be involve din more than just AFC but also FIFA. They have a lot to cover and be involved in, including hosting and or being invovled in large international tournaments.
I hope for example the u20 FFIA WC in Colombia where they play Spain, Costa Rica and Ecuador goes well for them – the cost of getting them there (via AFC championships for example) is large for a sport which does not enjoy the same levels of financial or media patronage. The sport operates on a world stage on a shoe string budget. to reduce that budget to the extent we cant compete in comps (or can only do so hindered by finances not talent as per 2001) is not a great look for a country which boasts of its sporting heritage and first nation status, nor for a govt which is, rightly or wrongly, impliated in how our teams present internationally to a large world wide audience.
The canvas is wider than other codes in that respect, and to paint a picture, which the world will see, they need more paint.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:29am
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Fake, you are showing a very distinct lack of knowledge about Australian football.
Australian football and the FFA’s responsibilities do not just encompass the A-League, which is only about 10% of their activities.
The FFA run a whole lot of programs and national teams and competitions, mostly aimed at juniors.
As far as I am aware Palmer is not allowed to buy the Socceroos or the Joeys or Matildas. They aren’t for sale, these are Australia’s football representatives.
He only owns a share of the Gold Coast United football team which is one of 10 in the A-League.
Why don’t you take a look at the FFA’s website and educate yourself a little there my friend or you might just turn into another boring anti-football blogster.
http://www.footballfederationaustralia.com.au
April 29th 2011 @ 9:40am
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:40am | Report comment
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/
Try this website too Fake.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:00am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Have I not already turned into another boring anti-football (sic) blogger? I must try harder.
April 29th 2011 @ 8:58am
Victer said | April 29th 2011 @ 8:58am | Report comment
The government is questioning the administration of the game yet it is hand cuffing the FFA by wanting to institute these anti-siphoning laws, stripping away the FFA’s right to sell to the highest bidder. I love this labor government.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:35am
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Yes, looks like the ALP is going to renege on their promise to increase funding to FFA – might be lucky now just to get the same miserly 8M.
The FFA can survive without it, but the way they are being treated is a little unfair, especiall not being told about it and having to find out via Sky News.
Would Arbib do that to the ARU, AFL or NRL?
Makes all the government money spent on AFL look pretty inappropriate now that the AFL just got another 1.25 billion to spend.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:38am
whiskeymac said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:38am | Report comment
they knew about it but they didnt know about the timing of the announcement. the understanding was it the announcement wld be made at budget time. Arbib needed headlines i guess.
April 29th 2011 @ 11:59am
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:59am | Report comment
I don’t believe so whiskeymac.
They were expecting an announcement in the budget about the extension of the funding and not the announcement of yet another football enquiry.
The enquiry had been raised by the government previously and discussed again when we bid for the 2015 Asian Cup alst year.
The FFA have been having discussions with the Federal govt since last year about extending their funding.
They are yet to receive a reply.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:27am
Vin said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:27am | Report comment
This sports mad country is flawed in many ways
1.25billion for AFL TV rights, their own foxtel 24 hour channel???
Apparently…. Every australian wants to watch more and more AFL, according to Mr Demetrious
Australia will always and i mean always be a part time player in soccer,
imagine for a second our beautiful country without AFL and NRL, We would have multi billion Australian soccer league where an 90,000 packed MCG is watching a Melbourne derby thats in a 20 team premier league competition with promotion and relegation divisions behind it.
this will never happen in this country and i am only dreaming, because we have all our priorities in sport all wrong.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:32am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:32am | Report comment
This reminds me of the story they used to tell in the Army about a proud mother watching her son march in the graduation parade. “Look!” she cried. “My boy is the only one marching in step!”.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:37am
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:37am | Report comment
I was wonering how long before you excited little AFL fans tried to turn this blog into yet another gloat about money.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:40am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Well wonder no more ICF, the answer is not very long! Seriously though, I expect to stop gloating sometime in June/July. Until then, sorry, but this is just soooo much fun!
April 29th 2011 @ 10:00am
nordster said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:00am | Report comment
well u gotta have something to fill the void i guess … football will just go on continuing to represent Australia around the world and taking it to the bigger football nations. Continue on with your more modest aims ARFers
April 29th 2011 @ 10:04am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:04am | Report comment
You mean like having a national competition that broadcasters actually want to pay money for and fans actually want to attend? Perhaps soccer could do with focusing on such modest aims?
April 29th 2011 @ 11:37am
nordster said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:37am | Report comment
people do want to follow and watch the A-League. Not in the same numbers as AFL obviously, no one’s claiming that.
The domestic league is an integral part of Australia’s long term aim to be a player in world football. Doesn’t come overnight though. We aren’t playing some bloated backyard footy comp here.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:52am
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:52am | Report comment
@FeAF
Well, by all means talk about Football – when people, who ostensibly don’t like Football, are still so fascinated by all issues relating to Football, it gives a clear indication of how Australia’s sporting culture has changed in the past 10 years.
The ARF season is well underway, but ARFers continue to want to engage in Football conversation.
April 29th 2011 @ 11:29am
BigAl said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Peronally speaking, I come here because there are guaranteed laughs to be had !
April 29th 2011 @ 11:56am
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:56am | Report comment
@ BigAl
And, every time you and other ARFers try to act worldly and engage in Football discussions, it confirms the boorish stereotypes I associate with the ARF-demographic and makes me relieved to know I don’t have to associate with such people any more … other than in the virtual world.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:17pm
The_Wookie said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
i could swear the A-league season is over and you are still commmenting in AFL discussion.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:24pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
@ The Wookie
I have an intense interest in the financial markets and have been commenting on commercial aspects of the AFL TV rights, which is the biggest contract ever undertaken between business and sport in Australia.
The financial markets have given David Leckie’s management decision a resounding “thumbs down” with the share price of Ch 7′s parent company down 2% with 1/2hr trading to go, and following a 2% decline yesterday when the deal was announced.
I don’t recall commenting on any AFL governance/administrative issues or AFL game-day tactics .. although, some may suggest that the latter is an oxymoron.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:32pm
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Are you joking Wookie? Didn’t stop you Aussie Rules people commenting on the HAL when Aussie Rules comp was in recess.. In fact didn’t you write a few articles on the Football Tab about Football ?
April 29th 2011 @ 3:34pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
“I don’t recall commenting on any AFL governance or administrative issues or AFL game-day tactics .. although, some may suggest that the latter is an oxymoron.”
It doesn’t get from one end to the other by itself you know, and there is a hell of a lot more than just physical attributes between the teams at the top of the ladder and the bottom.
And lets not cast stones here; Man Utd’s offensive game plan against Schalke 04 the other day in large part amounted to “Hoof it to Rooney or Chicharito, farken!” and then just rely on individual bursts of magic from those immensely talented strikers and wingers. Not even kidding.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:47pm
The_Wookie said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
i did write an article about football on the football tab. and it wasnt disparaging in the slightest. You may want to read it again.
I didnt say he shouldnt or couldnt post on the AFl, just that tis funny that he continually remarks on it in regards to the “football” tab
April 29th 2011 @ 4:03pm
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
Wookie—-I think the Roar Tabs are very specific “AFL and Football” I fail to see your point—what is so funny? Not that it’s important—-maybe I mistook the tone of your comment to mean something else…
April 29th 2011 @ 4:03pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
@ Nathan
If that’s the way you analysed the Schalke v Man United game then you obviously didn’t watch the game.
In the 1st half, Man United had 6 attempts on goal saved by Neuer. Not one of those attempts were from a tactic of “Hoof it to Rooney or Chicharito”
In the 2nd half Man United scored 2 goals and had 1 other goal disallowed for off-side. None of these were from a tactic of “Hoof it to Rooney or Chicharito”.
The Man United midfield controlled the game – do you understand what that means? It means the ball was played THROUGH the midfield not just hoofed over the midfield to Rooney or Chicarito.
April 29th 2011 @ 4:11pm
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
“for a little while, in time it will go back up, but at any rate, a haters gotta hate …right.”
SBF—-that statement of yours is pretty much what you are all about … Right!
April 29th 2011 @ 4:22pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
Watched the whole game (granted, I was on my cross-trainer as I watched it) but you must have seen how many of the passes up from the midfield were long bombs. The Man Utd midfield was providing a ball-winning defensive central midfield dominance. Whenever Schalke *did* work it into their forward third it typically cleared to, from memory, the right back who typically hoofed it. Expertly hoofed it, don’t get me wrong but none the less.
The two central mids intercepted or dispossessed Schalke in the midfield, usually pretty deep, and then expertly worked themselves clear with short passing, but the final pass into attack was typically (not always, but typically) rather Le Hoof, pumping the ball forward with the knowledge that Chicharito [who I absolutely loved watching] can take the odds on and win.
And Neuer was a bronzed god in defence. A truly formidable wall who was let down by the fact the rest of his team only seemed to show up in body, not spirit.
And keep in mind, the fact they didn’t score from the hoofing didn’t mean they didn’t try it.
Although, I’ll admit, with your fervent defence of United’s tactics I wish I had the game footage available to go over again, but my distinct memory at the time was that I said to the missus “oh my good its the hoof again” at least a dozen times.
April 29th 2011 @ 4:34pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
@ Nathan
Fair enough. I saw it differently. As far as I observed, Man Utd defended well up the park and Schalke were the ones defending deeply – in fact, time and again, Raul was a lonely figure in the Man Utd half with no support coming b/c Schalke midfielders didn’t want to venture forward to assist.
In my opinion, the only guy who plays the long ball is Ferdinand.
Evra doesn’t hoof the ball (sometimes I wish he would, since his passing can be wayward and leave us vulnerable) neither does Fabio (like his twin brother, Raphael, Fabio usually wants to dribble the field!). Vidic rarely plays the forward pass and tends to lay off to Ferdinand or the wing backs.
In the midfield, Park doesn’t hoof the ball, neither does Valencia or Giggsy. Carrick used to be a bit “route 1″ but he’s been outstanding this season and, if he wins the ball deep in our own half, the majority of the time Carrick will execute a short pass to the link players – Park, Giggsy, Valencia or even Rooney – who then carries the ball into the opposition half before playing the next pass.
April 29th 2011 @ 4:43pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
Yes, Schalke’s offensive effort did seem rather one man bandish, if anyone was meant to be partnering Raul up there they didn’t go to the trouble of demonstrating it.
Was disappointed with most of Schalke, actually, I’d been rather hopeful for them.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:55am
BigAl said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:55am | Report comment
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I honestly don’t see any ‘gloating’ going on here. But if you do, why don’t you counter by throwing in the usual about how much more money there is in the ‘world game’
e.g. just this week I’ve seen stories in the press which to me are just as gobsmacking as the AFL’s latest finanacial deal
– being that Real Madrid & Barca are the two highest paying Sports Teams in the WORLD !
How do they do that in Spain . . . in Spain ???????!!!!!!
April 29th 2011 @ 10:04am
punter said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Yes Big Al, Spain, one of the heartland of Football, the world game.
I live in Sydney & totally amazed at the TV rights figure they got in the AFL in Melbourne.
How do they do it in Melbourne… in Melbourne???? Surely punching above their weight.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:18am
BigAl said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Punter . . . may I indulge you in a little geography and economics…
The AFL deal is a national deal, and Australia, ‘lucky country ? ‘ that it is, is not touted as the next country requiring an economic bailout – as per Spain.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:37am
punter said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Thanks I appreciate that bit of education. Let me indulge you, my English wife is very excited about the impending Royal wedding in England, someone called William & Kate I think. Now the English economy is also in the doldrums, but guess what this wedding is generating 600,000 tourists into England.
In Spain football generates alot of money & while the economy is in real trouble, one of their main sources of income, jobs comes from football, so why not invest in it.
As for Australia, the lucky country, yes we both agree, but this deal a national deal, but the heartland is Melbourne, the only thing this deal means to most people in Sydney, is how much wll the NRL get. We have our own oval ball shaped game, as a matter of fact we have 2 of them.
You see the Sydney Opera house is a symbol of Australia to the rest of the world, but tourists to Sydney to see the Opera house will not benifit Victorians.
BTW, did I see well done, great TV rights deal, absolutely amazing.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:43am
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Well then BigAl, where do you place Germany—-their football clubs failed at the last hurdle in the UCL ..?
April 29th 2011 @ 10:42am
whiskeymac said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:42am | Report comment
fantastical debt to match fantastical teams.
altho i remember reading that, in Reals case, the combined purchase of ronaldo and kaka at the time for about $100M+ or whatever it was wld be made back in shirt sales and increased advertising within a season or two.
Or is it that its Spain? Population significantly larger than Australia, and integrated into european comps that offer amaxzing returns, that follows the game with extreme passion; these two clubs get the lions share of a TV deal to the detriment fo the rest of the top flight clubs.
April 29th 2011 @ 12:09pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
Non-collectivised television rights selling, among other causes. The bulk of the finances and the supporters of Spain are focused in the two teams, somewhat for reasons of a compelling historical rivalry. But basically La Liga and Spanish football is the story of Barca, Real Madrid and a few dozen anonymous supporting clubs rounding out the cast. Well, a couple teams like Villareal, but still. Daylight exists between the Haves and the Have Nots.
April 29th 2011 @ 12:04pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Have mentioned before the different sporting codes finances, clubs and administrations combined would correspond well with a three-national tier competition every bit the equal of the J-League, if not a cut above.
April 29th 2011 @ 9:49am
Jon said | April 29th 2011 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Will the funding include the $61 million to host the next Asian Cup in Australia? So far cash-strapped states have boasted how the Asian Cup will boost thier economies (Vic $20mil, NSW $50mil, ACT $10mil, QLD ?). This will apparently boost GDP by $23mil – maybe this little sport of football could get its share of those spoils…
April 29th 2011 @ 11:40am
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Jon,
where did you get those figures from?
Yes, the Asian Cup bid could not have been made without the federal government guaranteeing and underwriting the cost of the Asian Cup. So the federal government will pay for the Asian Cup costs and will get most of the benefits.
That is one of the main reasons that the Smith enquiry is being done – to make sure that football and its administration is at its best, so we get the maximum benefits from hosting the tournament here.
The FFA fully understand that and are happy to co-operate.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:49am
triffid said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:49am | Report comment
I find it predictable that when a business is under performing, bad the management will always blame everyone and everything else other than themselves.It’s interesting when the excuse for a business’ bad performance is lack of money though.I knew there was a reason i was not a millionaire.
I wish people would stop making excuses for FFA.
Six years ago they started with knowledge of their income per year.They set the budgets each year.I assume they had a strategy for growing the game of football in Austrlai and hopefully increasing the value of their key brands.Namely the Socceroos and A-League,The W-League,when it commenced ,the Youth League when it commenced and others .They would have had a budget for running all their programs which were not for profit and presumably received government funding for those.
The real issue is what do we think FFA should be doing.Are they there to grow football and increase the value of it’s key brands or is that someone elses responsibility.
If we look at the performance of FFA,we can say over the first four years of operation things looked rosey and the value of it’s key brands would seem to have risen.In the last two years however they have overspent their budget to the extent they had no money to market the A-League.Their business model for the A-league is starting to unravel,with teams folding and others precariously poised.The supposed saviour of the A-league,the next TV rights deal, now seems a pipe dream with ratings and teams dropping and the government looks likely to cut funding.
So is it fair for FFA abrogate responsibility by saying all their problems are due to a lack of money?
We already know money is a problem.It is and always has been a problem.FFA has the responsibility of increasing revenue and cutting costs and making it less of a problem.If they can’t do that then we need new management that can.
Something tells me Mr Lowy will have to show some real leadership or the Federal Government will force change.
April 29th 2011 @ 11:05am
punter said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:05am | Report comment
I think you will find most people in football already blame the FFA for the shambles of where we are today. Most blame Ben Buckley & some are even calling for Frank Lowy’s head, unheard of 4 years ago.
However, most understand it takes time to grow, in Australia you are fighting not 1 but 2 other football codes which has big following, huge history & massive media coverage & deservedly so due to their following. This is also not taking into account Rugby & cricket who also has a big influence on the int’l stage (that the other 2 don’t ) on the Australian syche.
April 29th 2011 @ 11:22am
zach said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Forgive me for stating the bleeding obvious, but seeing as soccer is a world game with a global governing body sitting on a mountain of cash, why is the Australian taxpayer being asked to pump even more money into soccer instead of someone asking FIFA for some? The AFL is funding its own expansion – why should the government fund FIFA’s?
April 29th 2011 @ 12:24pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Why do Federal Governments demonstrate largesse towards Football … b/c
All Governments know:
a) the importance of international sports and how international sport can assist Australia’s international profile. Australia would be bankrupt if it were not for our Asian trading partners cash and, apart from the Summer Olympics, the 2015 AFC Asian Cup will be the most watched sporting event that Australia has hosted and the eyes of Asia, in particular, will be firmly focused on Australian cities for 3-4 weeks;
and, of coure
b) Governments love to throw money at things that appeal to the largest number of voters and, across the whole of Australia, football is the sport that appeals to the widest range of Aussie voters.
April 29th 2011 @ 1:53pm
zach said | April 29th 2011 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
A big thank you to soccer for saving us from bankruptcy – if only they could do the same for themselves. As for soccer appealing to “the widest range of Aussie voters”, it’s just curious that so few of those voters are willing to pay to go to matches or watch them on TV. If they did, we wouldn’t all need to pay taxes to support soccer.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:00pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
@ zach
You don’t seem to be very bright .. which seems to be a defining characteristic for many within the ARF-demographic.
1. I didn’t say Football saved Australia from bankruptcy. What I did say was: “Australia would be bankrupt if it were not for our Asian trading partners cash”.
2. I said football appeals to “the widest audience range” of Aussie voters. Why?
Well, when you analyse FTA TV ratings for Football matches, the ratings for Football mimic the spread of the Australian population
The population spread across the 5 major capital cities is:
Syd: 34%; Mel: 30%; Bri: 15%; Ade: 9%; Per: 12%
And, when you compare the way Aussies watch sport on FTA TV we find
a) Football FTA TV spread in 2010: Syd: 35%; Mel: 29%; Bri: 14%; Ade: 8%; Per: 14%
Using total figures for 2010 FIFA WC tournament, which was the last major international Football event on FTA TV
So, the spread of interest in international Football on FTA TV closely corresponds to the spread of the Aussie population.
By contrast, AFL & NRL on FTA TV is extremely polarised:
b) AFL FTA TV spread in 2010: Syd: 5%; Mel: 49%; Bri: 8%; Ade: 18%; Per: 21%
c) NRL FTA TV spread in 2010: Syd: 60%; Mel: 1.4%; Bri: 37%; Ade: 0.2%; Per: 0.3%
April 29th 2011 @ 5:48pm
Magpie Flag said | April 29th 2011 @ 5:48pm | Report comment
yep, the chinese buy our iron ore cos of the HAL. You should expand you international finance and economics advisory practice beyond The Roar – some kinda Guru you are!
April 29th 2011 @ 5:53pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 5:53pm | Report comment
No, he’s actually on the money with this one. This kind of stuff is an important element of Australian soft-power, and given our local region looks set to be to the 21st Century what Europe was to the 19th and 20th Centuries, we’ll need whatever geopolitical edge we can get our mitts on.
Federal politics is nonsense, but everyone needs to keep their eye on the international politics.
April 29th 2011 @ 5:56pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 5:56pm | Report comment
@ MF … well our Asian neighbours certainly have no interest in ARF-ball. Actually, when you think of it, even our NSW & Qld neighbours don’t have any interest in ARF-ball!
April 30th 2011 @ 6:42am
UK Steve said | April 30th 2011 @ 6:42am | Report comment
So NSW & QLD don’t have any interest in AFL then. Well there was 28,000 at a rain sodden SCG last night, which was more than the last Socceroos match in Sydney. You are massively over playing the interest of soccer in Asia.
April 29th 2011 @ 1:58pm
punter said | April 29th 2011 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
This is not expansion, this is the funding of our National sides, the socceroos, olyroos, the women’s team, the youth teams, etc.
April 29th 2011 @ 2:32pm
zach said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
If that is the case then do our national cricket teams receive government funding, and how much? Serious question. If not why not? India with a billion people is a crucial trading partner and cricket is an integral part of its culture. If it’s all about trade with asia we would be throwing the big government bucks at cricket. So do we?
April 29th 2011 @ 2:49pm
punter said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
I do not know how much funding Australian cricket gets from the government, but yes they would, they have women’s national team & youth team that do not generate much revenue. If the Australian government is not using cricket as an instrument in trading with India than we are in trouble. Our fellow blogger on the cricket site, whos name just escapes has advocated this many times.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:00pm
Australian Football said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Are you kidding Zach? Cricket does very well out of the Government funding and so it should be, for every national team on the world stage..
http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/11/27/sports-benefit-from-new-government-funding/
April 29th 2011 @ 6:23pm
zach said | April 29th 2011 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
According to that link cricket gets $750,000.00 a year compared with soccer’s $8m. How can this be justified?
April 29th 2011 @ 6:36pm
Titus said | April 29th 2011 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
According to that link AFL and Cricket get $750 000 a year compared to Footballs $700 000
April 29th 2011 @ 11:51am
Peter Wilson said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:51am | Report comment
I think its an insult to the FFA and all the great football people of this country to say that we were better off under Soccer Australia.
No offence to Soccer Australia or the NSL, just that the FFA have achieved so much in the past few years.
Just look at some of the things that the FFA have achieved in the last few years that this country never achieved as a football nation, such as:
setting up a new national football competition, the A-League
negotiating a record TV deal with Foxtel
moving into Asia,
qualifying for 2 WCs in a row,
setting up a national womens football competition,
Matildas qualifying for 2 WCs
U20s qualifiying for 3 WCs in a row
setting up a national technical director
appointing full time national youth coaches
introducing small sided football for young juniors with the emphasis on skill and fun
qualifying for 3 football Olympics in a row,
Winning the Asian Womens football title,
quarter finalists and runners up in the mens Asian Football title.
setting up a national youth league,
putting in a World Cup hosting rights bid,
setting up junior academies,
winning the hosting of the 2015 Asian Cup
The list goes on and on.
Be fair!
April 29th 2011 @ 12:19pm
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Yes Peter,
I believe under Soccer Australia we never qualified for any FIFA WC Finals.
We won our first international trophy when the girls won the Asian Cup and just missed out for the mens.
April 29th 2011 @ 3:52pm
whiskeymac said | April 29th 2011 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
ICF what was the name of the administration in 74? we not counting oceania cups/ tournies as international trophies? i think the premise by Peter is the same mind you – FFA trumps SA; but there were some successes before which shldnt be forgotten (incl a good run in the confed cup)
April 29th 2011 @ 4:37pm
Rusty0256 said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
In 1974 it was the Australian Soccer Federation. Qualification for that Word Cup had little to do with administrative organization; to the contrary, the ’74 team qualified as a result of the persistence and passion of coach Rale Rasic and an outstanding squad of at best semi-pro players, given an almost impossibly difficult qualifying path. Rasic’s dismissal by ASF chairman Arthur George immediately after the WC finished was a perfect example of the type of knee-jerk, self-serving stupidity that was the norm at that time.
Any other sporadic success that occurred during the pre-FFA era came more as a result of coaching and playing determination rather than administrative planning and delivery. That’s not to say there weren’t administration implemented plans, but they were always short-term, ad-hoc ones that avoided any form of medium or long term sustainable goals for the game in this country. Administrators were too busy feathering nests whilst keeping a wary eye out for knife-wielding opponents to be bothered much with building strategies for the game.
For all of us who lived and supported during that era, compared to what we have had in the last few years under the FFA, well quite frankly it is night and day. The current FFA admin certainly has made plenty of mistakes and is a long ways from perfect but compared to the ‘dark ages’ of the previous 30+ years, there is simply no comparison.
April 29th 2011 @ 4:57pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
BRAVO, Rusty0256 – as one of those, who suffered through the late 70s, 80s & 90s, I totally agree.
Only the other day, I was chatting to my dad, who is in his late 70s, about the massive changes to Football in Australia – I remember him taking me to Olympic Park in August 1977 for my first National Team game (Dave Harding missed a penalty against Iran, which ended our dreams of WC78) and the start of 28 years of “nearly”, “what if”, “if only”.
Frank Lowy & the FFA have made me proud to follow football in Australia and the FFA will continue to make mistakes as we develop.
Having started a couple of businesses, I know that there are lots of lows and mistakes along the journey to success.
April 29th 2011 @ 7:17pm
Ari Viderci said | April 29th 2011 @ 7:17pm | Report comment
Hey Fuss, any of those businesses an academy? I’m looking for some start-up tips.
April 29th 2011 @ 2:20pm
whiskeymac said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Peter, there’s an article here which shows where clever planning and administration can benefit the game:http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/28/fa-england-holland-grassroots-football
it is of interest because many want the HAl to be like the EPL; whereas it wld seem the dutch success in part comes from the FFA equivalent being the top of the pyramid etc etc. Iti salso worthnoting that many of the meausres undertakern are of course implemented here with the dutch influence.
imagine a 1bn investment in grassroots here.
April 29th 2011 @ 2:41pm
Nathan said | April 29th 2011 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
A $1b grassroots investment? Trickle down $300 match fees for junior refs, mhmmm, I can see it now.
April 30th 2011 @ 12:15pm
Evan Askew said | April 30th 2011 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Pretty good points there Mr Wilson and I agree wholeheartedly with the post. And did you know that under Soccer Australia that we got to the semi finals in consecutive U20 World cups. That we qualified for five consecutive Olympics, They set up a national comp in 1977 and a NYL in the late 80′s. However Football Federation AUstralia have accomplished so much more and despite all the talk about declining crowds in the A league, at the averae crowds of 8000, that attendence is still double that of the NSL. If Foster and Fink are truely suggesting that things were better under Soccer AUstralia then I no longer have any respect for them.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:23pm
Queensland's game is rugby league said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
“The other major sports are also continuing to lobby Canberra for more money as they try and expand and compete for junior footballers and their territories. They are even arguing for a reduction in funding for football, especially after the $45.6 million grant to assist the failed 2022 World Cup bid drawing plenty of criticism.”
And fair enough too. Soccer was given every concession imaginable during the 2022 World Cup bid. The money invested in that bid turned out to the dumbest and most wasteful failed investment in Australian sporting history.
If the money is given to Aussie rules, rugby league and rugby union then a fair amount of it will go towards grassroots competition. Australians benefit from funding going towards grassroots competition. Spending state money on these codes will be more beneficial than wasting $45.6 million on a stupid bid that was never going to get anywhere.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:29pm
The Cattery said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:29pm | Report comment
From the point of view of getting more kids playing sport, could not agree more.
That was the gist of the recent Crawford report on the funding of elite sports.
In terms of health outcomes, you get better bang for your buck funding locals sports bodies aimed at getting kids playing sport, than you do out of funding international competition.
April 29th 2011 @ 10:40pm
Queensland's game is rugby league said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:40pm | Report comment
Right on The Cattery! Children need exercise. They get far too little of it in today’s electronically-driven world.
I think the FFA needs to start giving something back to its loyal junior supporter base. Perhaps more juniors would continue playing the sport when they reach adulthood if the FFA showed more interest in grassroots competition?
April 29th 2011 @ 10:57pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | April 29th 2011 @ 10:57pm | Report comment
What are you on about, QueenslandGIRL?
You non-football people truly are deluded if you think Football needs to spend money to get kids to exercise!
There are more people playing football – at every age group – than any other team sport in Australia. The Crawford Report also highlighted a lack of public infrastructure could not meet the huge demand for organised participation in Football.
Football doesn’t need to spend money coaxing anyone to play the game – kids, adolescents, adults and even geriatrics simply buy a ball and play.
April 30th 2011 @ 1:16am
Queensland's game is rugby league said | April 30th 2011 @ 1:16am | Report comment
“What are you on about, QueenslandGIRL?”
Like it or not, a lot of kids stop playing the game when they reach a certain age. Few of them go on to become avid supporters of the A-League. This is the point I aws trying to make. Kids play soccer in large numbers, yet they’re offered very little reward for doing so. The soccer organisations rip them off by charging way too much for registration fees. When the kids and their parents realise that the money they’re paying to play the sport isn’t put towards the good of the game then they realise it’s best to avoid the A-League and give their support to the overseas competitions.
If the FFA wants the Australian public to invest in the A-League then it needs to show that the FFA is investing in the A-League. So far it’s shown that it takes a lot and doesn’t put much of it back into the local game. The bid for the 2022 World Cup is proof of it. That money could have gone towards building better pathways for juniors who are lookig to make their way into senior competition. The whole standard of coaching, from junior level to senior level, could have been bolstered by spending that money on world-class coaches who can lift the standards of Australian soccer and teach kids the skills that they need to compete with the best players in the world
Australian players just don’t have the same skills as the Brazilians, Germans, etc. This is because they aren’t coached properly. They might be better than them at playing a physical game, but when it comes to dribbling and technical understanding of the game they are left far behind. Australia won’t be a contender for the World Cup until they address this issue.
April 29th 2011 @ 11:16pm
ItsCalledFootball said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:16pm | Report comment
Bidding for World Cups is a once in a lifetime activity and is not the FFA’s usual line of work.
The federal government agreed to fund the bid on a risk-reward basis, because the winner of the bids are set to make a huge reward from it.
The WC bid should be seen as a once off and not a regular grab for cash by the FFA.
But yes it was a lot of money and the bid failed, so rival codes are using it to try and get more funding for themselves but honestly, does the AFL need more government funding?
April 29th 2011 @ 11:35pm
methysticum said | April 29th 2011 @ 11:35pm | Report comment
I love it when Football (soccer) people talk that they have to finance 9 national teams in international competition – and therefore deserve Australian government direct support – as opposed to other codes that according to football people have to finance no more than one (or in AFL’s case none).
The Australian Rugby Union (ARU) has to support the senior mens side (the Wallabies), the senior womens side (the Wallaroos), the Australian Under 20′s side, the Australian Schoolboys side and the Australian mens and womens sevens sides – a total of 6 national sides.
So I don’t think that is a good card to play with Mark Arbib. Don’t worry – he won”t help rugby (union) either.
April 30th 2011 @ 1:00am
Pete said | April 30th 2011 @ 1:00am | Report comment
Sorry for being somewhat old-fashioned, BUT, if someone writing articles in a publication is going to criticize, or attack individuals, other commentators (such as Foster and Fink) by name, then it should be a precondition that he/she also writes under his/her own name.
ItsCalledFootball? Come off it, mate.