SS NSW Tah-tanic heading for an iceberg?
By Bay35Pablo, 14 Jun 2011 Bay35Pablo is a Roar Guru
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I was flabbergasted to see this The Sydney Morning Herald headline a few days ago: “Waratahs show Mowen the exit door to clear the way for Elsom.”
As the article says, Mowen has been playing for the Tahs for over three years now, and has been playing so well the media had been speculating for awhile that (with all the injuries) he might get a gig in a gold jersey. Further, he has been a good part of the Tahs’ forward pack, who are well regarded in the Super comp as an integral art of why the Tahs are so competitive.
Tell that to Tahs management, who apparently can’t fit him in (although the SMH on Monday said some officials were surprised Mowen might go – so much for the new Tahs company being different to the old NSWRU incarnation). The speculation that it is to allow Elsom into the team appears to miss two points.
Firstly, speculation that a personality clash between Rocky and Phil Waugh means Rocky won’t come to the Tahs if Waugh is still there.
So why punt a great talent if it can’t even be guaranteed you’re getting Elsom (given Waugh still hasn’t indicated if he will play again next year)? Secondly, Elsom isn’t exactly guaranteed to play every game.
He clearly has had injury problems ever since he came back from Europe, and has barely gotten on the field this year for the Brumbies, after a problematic year last year. So surely Mowen is likely to be needed to fill in for Elsom if he breaks down for the Tahs next year?
Perhaps the salary cap mooted by the ARU will also play into this? But then surely there’s plenty of readies now that Kurtley Beale has headed to the Rebels for the “business and networking” opportunities (not the cash).
This came on top of seeing that Sosene Anesi is going after the maximum two years allowed for a marquee player (which he was from memory), but perhaps worse, Sitaleki Timani and Pat O’Connor are also going.
Timani was also being talked about as being on the verge of making the Wallabies, although again I think this is more media speculation than reality. But this means two players talked about as potential Wallabies are being let go (or got better offers, but who’d know from the dearth of media coverage).
I have also read that Josh Holmes is off contract at the end of this year, which is strange given Luke Burgess is heading to France. Surely the Tahs need to lock in Holmes and McKibbin with him going. Apparently not, instead we get speculation (apparently driven by the relevant agents) that the Tahs were looking at Andy Ellis.
So here we are with a number of good players leaving the Tahs, and questions about how the team is going to be placed next year.
Chris Hickey is coming to the end of his three-year contract, and by all accounts is ready to go (although he is giving strange noises not saying he will definitely go).
Talk is Michael Foley will replace him, but no one will say that is the case. Instead, it is likely the Tahs (new management and all) will wait until the Super season is over before making any decision. Perhaps too late given what seems to be going on with deciding who is in the team next year.
I haven’t been Hickey’s greatest fan. I don’t regard him as a bad coach, but also can’t say he has been a particularly great coach. I have always felt he hasn’t gotten the best out of this team.
The new coach, whoever they are, will need to mould the team to suit their style and vision for the Tahs. However, at the rate we are going a certain amount of moulding will already have been done. The question is by who?
Who at the Tahs is making these decisions, which will impact on the ability of any new coach in 2012? If that coach doesn’t get the chance to properly affect the roster until this time next year, there’ll be some interesting discussions about meeting any KPIs for season 2012 if I was an applicant.
Unless Foley really is going to be next year’s coach, and this is all being done with his input. But he has never struck me as a Machiavellian operator likely to be doing so. If he was the coach to be, I’d expect it to have been announced.
So the good ship Tah-tanic sails on through recruiting seas, no one at the helm, hoping not to strike any icebergs in the near future until the new captain comes to the wheel.
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June 14th 2011 @ 6:47am
cookie said | June 14th 2011 @ 6:47am | Report comment
Letting Mowen go is a mistake..
In the expanded format it is being shown time and time again that you need depth. Given the number of injuries the Tahs have including to Palu and Elsom assuming he came they would be dumb to let him go.
Whoever failed to stump up the cash to keep Beale is ignorant at best. I do wonder how the tah’s would be going without him.
Given the major concerns about Barnes future, the fact that Beale is gone. ( i suspect they were keeping Beale in mind as the alternative 5/8)
Let’s face Halanghau isn’t exactly cooper let alone barnes… it leaves the tah’s precariously vulnerable to a rudderless ship which had been their major issue for years..
Assuming barnes, beale and Halanghau were not playing …
Can anyone tell me who is the next in line for the No. 10 Jersey?
June 14th 2011 @ 7:01am
Ben S said | June 14th 2011 @ 7:01am | Report comment
I agree. Mowen has positional versatility. He is also a good lineout forward, is consistent, and a big lad, but reasonably quick with it too. He’s the quiet sort of player that does quite a lot of unseen work – a good squad player.
June 14th 2011 @ 10:09am
cm said | June 14th 2011 @ 10:09am | Report comment
The Tahs have proven for years that they can lose perfectly well without a world-class 5/8th.
It was just a few weeks ago that Halangahu equalled Manny Edmonds’ record for the most number of Super appearances by a Tahs fly-half – 43!
It looks like they’re letting go young people of the calibre of Kurtley Beale (who has proven time and again that he’s an ordinary 5/8 at the top level), Beau Robinson, Ben Mowen, Sitaleki Timani and Pat O’Connor so they can keep expensive oldsters like Waugh, Vickerman, Anesi and Elsom. So much for the future.
Now, with Barnes looking increasingly like he’ll have to retire and Burgess off to France, the Rebels v Tahs clashes next year should be an exciting battle for the wooden spoon.
In the end, it’s not the Tahs’ playing style that shits me, it’s their brain-dead management.
June 14th 2011 @ 12:31pm
Coverted Rebel Supporter said | June 14th 2011 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
I’m with you CM. Brain dead management and coaching, no vision, just sheen incomprehensible stupidity. Its the inevitable outcome old boy network, the old school tie, nod nod, wink-wink. My hope is that a financial crisis triggered by diminishing attendances will trigger a reform. Tell me I’m not in Koosbane?
Ben Mowen has played his guts out this year, Waugh is the stubborn blockhead who needs to move on, his time is up, not the young gun. The Tahs have finished well, on the back of Kurtley Beale’s brilliance, some old heads and solid performances from reserve players like Alcock who have been given a break. They were chosen out of desperation and have delivered. Beale will be better motivated and managed in Melbourne, away from the Moore Park rabble.
June 14th 2011 @ 6:46pm
Jimbo said | June 14th 2011 @ 6:46pm | Report comment
I wondered why NSW were never in the mix for James O’Connor’s signature, despite the fact there was speculation linking him to each of the other 4 Australian teams. Did he ever say he wouldn’t play for NSW (which wouldn’t be completely surprising considering he is a Qlder)? I would have thought he would have been a walk – on replacement for Beale.
June 14th 2011 @ 7:09pm
chester said | June 14th 2011 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
Anesi has not been resigned
June 15th 2011 @ 10:37am
mikeylives said | June 15th 2011 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Thank god. Very fast player, but not up to it with catching/passing.
June 14th 2011 @ 7:34am
chester said | June 14th 2011 @ 7:34am | Report comment
Biggest mistake is Timani has signed with Japanese club and is leaving. He has been outstanding in the past 2-3 games,
June 14th 2011 @ 8:05am
Ben S said | June 14th 2011 @ 8:05am | Report comment
When had he signed that contract though?
June 14th 2011 @ 12:51pm
Denby said | June 14th 2011 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Timani signed the contract well over a month ago. He signed before he was even in the Tahs starting side. I feel for the Tahs with Timani, Douglas was suppose to be there first choice second rower and he is having a horrible second year. Timani came from the Brumbies with barely any super rugby experience. He has floated round a few teams and not really been given much of a chance. They had no way to know he would stand up and play so well given the oppertunity and when they did know he had already signed on to go play in Japan.
June 14th 2011 @ 7:13pm
Boonzie said | June 14th 2011 @ 7:13pm | Report comment
he has a brother that’s pretty much the same size…. wonder if he can step up
June 14th 2011 @ 8:38am
Mals said | June 14th 2011 @ 8:38am | Report comment
I hope Mowen stays, he has played well this season. We don’t need Elsom v2011. Elsom circa 2006 – yes he would be a handy addition but the modern version is injury prone & too full of his own self importance!
June 14th 2011 @ 8:48am
Chris said | June 14th 2011 @ 8:48am | Report comment
So what you’re saying is that you don’t actually know anything. I tried counting the number of times you used phrases like “apparently”, “speculation” and “by all accounts”, but gave up in frustration. I know you’re not a professional jounralist, but publishing this sort of rumour and innuendo is appalling.
June 14th 2011 @ 1:52pm
Bay35Pablo said | June 14th 2011 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Chris,
Unless I could cite an article and put a link, I qualified. There were several “facts” I had read articles on but didn’t have the time to search for and find when I was writing the article (on a weekend, during a 45 minute nap by the 14 month old, and with the wife in bed with flu). However, I didn’t put anything in there I hadn’t read somewhere else (I’m not part of any rugby organisation, so by definition I can’t be talking from personal knowledge – I’m not picking these “facts” up by talking to my mates like say Danny Weidler), and I am a pretty well read rugby fan.
Firstly, it’s not rumour and innuendo, it’s tying together a lot of media reports to raise an issue. If the media aren’t reporting “facts” (which I sometimes have my doubts about), then go blame them.
Secondly, you do realise you are reading the Roar don’t you? It’s opinion! I am pretty balanced and reasoned in the articles I do post (if I do say so myself), so if you don’t like what I write you aren’t going to like anything I suspect (unless it agrees with whatever opinion it is you may have).
Take your attitude and go read someone more suited to your temperament. I think Grouchy Growden is still writing for the SMH …..
June 15th 2011 @ 8:45am
Bay35Pablo said | June 15th 2011 @ 8:45am | Report comment
The penny just dropped.
So “Chris”, are you involved in coaching, and coming to the end of your contract? All this a bit close to the bone … ?
June 14th 2011 @ 8:50am
Damo said | June 14th 2011 @ 8:50am | Report comment
But not as important as the important Roar bloggers?
June 14th 2011 @ 8:54am
Grimmace said | June 14th 2011 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Sounds like the cricket selectors are rubbing off on thë ‘tahs. Someone like Mowen deserves better than that.
June 14th 2011 @ 9:38am
Bunratty said | June 14th 2011 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Tah-tanic…………brilliant!!
June 14th 2011 @ 9:40am
formeropenside said | June 14th 2011 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Be nice to see Mowen come home to Qld to add his versatility to the Reds that gave him his start.
June 14th 2011 @ 10:13am
Brett McKay said | June 14th 2011 @ 10:13am | Report comment
and who would you bench FOS, Higginbotham or Samo?? The Reds also let him go without much of a fight, if I recall correctly..
If this turns out to be the case, and the Tahs don’t re-sign Mowen – suicidal as that would be – I’d reckon him options would be pretty limited. Force have four Wallaby backrowers, Reds should have three themselves soon enough, plus some of the best young flankers in the country. Rebels will still have Lipman and Delve for next year, too. That really only leaves one option if he wants to stay in Australia, and I’m not sure how attractive that would be…
June 14th 2011 @ 11:27am
formeropenside said | June 14th 2011 @ 11:27am | Report comment
The Reds let him go in 2007 after he had been injury prone for several years. As to where he plays, Samo is 34, which means you need cover for him, and if this season has shown anything, its that squad depth is important.
Of course, Quirk and Schatz can currently fill that void too, but experience in the squad is always worth having.
Probably the Rebels can make the best case for him filling a starting spot in their roster for Delve/Lipman (with Saffy covering 7), or perhaps the Brumbies if they lose both Elsom and Hoiles (to injury) with Chapman now gone. The problem is the Brumbies have 3 opensides in Salvi (who they have already cut once), C. Faingaa and Hooper which skews their roster a little.
June 14th 2011 @ 12:43pm
AJ said | June 14th 2011 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
This reminds me of the line the other day,I think it was Greg Holmes.
He and his mates on the bench refer to themselves as “the finishers”
With so many games now and many more injuries, all squad memebers are going to get a good stint.
June 14th 2011 @ 11:34am
wallythefly said | June 14th 2011 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Elsom was born in Melbourne wasn’t he? I’d have thought the Rebels would be desperate to get his signature…
June 14th 2011 @ 12:50pm
Chris said | June 14th 2011 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
Based on his last two years I’d be surprised if a district club in Melbourne would be “desperate” for his signature. Lazy and injury prone would be putting it politely.
June 14th 2011 @ 12:54pm
Denby said | June 14th 2011 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Lazy is a big harsh, injury prone definately but I would never describe Elsom as lazy. His work rate is generally very good.
June 14th 2011 @ 5:06pm
vaguely said | June 14th 2011 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
From reports, his work rate in training at the brumbies left a lot to be desired.
He would cut corners, etc, but that was ok because he was the Wallabies Captain…
Player power indeed…
June 14th 2011 @ 5:36pm
flying hori said | June 14th 2011 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
His work rate as a 6 is not great, a bit overrated and injury prone is Elsom. Mowen is the next BIG, FAST and a Working 6, cant believe the Tahs are letting him go.
June 14th 2011 @ 1:37pm
jameswm said | June 14th 2011 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
The Tahtanic is heading for disaster this weekend with TPN, Robinson, Palu and Barnes out to add to Horne, Mitchell and Kepu. Beale and Burgo would our best players left.
Cliffy was great last weekend – what a shame he’s injured.