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There’s cause for optimism at AFL House, particularly coming off a round in which Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon – the traditional Melbourne powerhouses – enjoyed euphoric wins in front of big crowds at home.
With Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn and Carlton top four contenders, followed by Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, Essendon, North Melbourne and Melbourne in a gaggle hunting for a finals berth, things are looking well for the Victorian/VFL contingent.
Only the two Western Australian clubs seem to be providing much resistance.
Having its core of Victorian teams healthy and happy is an ongoing concern for the AFL – and, arguably, should be just as much of a concern long-term as the wellbeing of the expansion clubs.
After all, clubs such as Greater Western Sydney Giants, Gold Coast Suns, Brisbane Lions et al have exclusivity in Aussie Rules terms in their respective markets.
Melbourne teams don’t, particularly as the generations pass. The VFL demarcations erode and market forces truly pressure the clubs operating in such close quarters; representing suburbs in a national competition.
In the coming decades, the question of whether the national competition can sustain 10 Victorian-based (nine Melbourne) teams will inevitably be asked, particularly as their rivals outside of Victoria cement themselves in their markets and grow into stronger and more financially well-off clubs.
Other codes will also impinge within the Victorian market – Melbourne Rebels, Heart, Victory and Storm still relatively new entities when compared to the AFL clubs.
The Victorian question could ultimately hold the key to future AFL expansion. When the GWS Giants enter the competition next season, the AFL would, it seems, be set for the foreseeable future with a balanced 18-team competition – two teams each in Western Australia, South Australia, Queensland and New South Wales, in addition to its 10-team VFL core. But the AFL may not stop there.
“If anybody had thought 21 years ago what the AFL looked like today, they would have been delusional and kidding themselves,” Andrew Demetriou told the Herald Sun.
“Therefore, you’d hope in the next 21 years we’ve got the same 18 teams and if anything is going to happen, there will be more teams because that seems to be the pattern.
“The places that come to mind are Tasmania, northern Queensland and northern WA. And quite frankly, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility as the world gets smaller that you could have a team based abroad. New Zealand or South Africa would be a chance.”
Let’s put aside the international expansion suggestion for another column (coming soon) and focus on matters closer to home. The AFL’s hesitancy to expand into Tasmania and Darwin (Northern Territory) comes down to simple economics.
Second teams in Queensland and New South Wales could help unlock the last two of the big five markets with sole club representatives – a weekly presence in the five key television markets. Spreading the game’s gospel into foreign territories simply underpinned this justification.
The football heritage in Tasmania and Northern Territory didn’t matter; their relative market share did. Also, these fringe options remain relocation options for any clubs squeezed out of Victoria.
As we’ve seen, if North Melbourne, for example, having struggled on the breadline for a number of years now, cannot survive in Melbourne, an increased presence and possible eventual relocation to Tassie makes sense. So, why start a Tassie franchise from scratch and close off that possibility?
Once the Giants culminate this most recent expansion phase in 2012, the AFL could well look to its options for further growth – international or otherwise.
But before it does so it needs to look in its own backyard and determine: which Victorian clubs are the most vulnerable? How will the future growth of wider Melbourne impact these clubs? Is that growth enough to sustain them all long-term? And how can they develop a relocation strategy without too much bloodshed and tears?
Some of those questions cannot be answered just yet, but not forgetting about the Victorian question at a time when the focus is on the likes of western Sydney and the Gold Coast is a necessity.
The lessons from the messy, mooted mergers of the eighties and nineties and the more recent relocation debates need to be remembered.
Fitzroy were at one time or another linked with merging with Melbourne, North Melbourne, Hawthorn and Sydney before eventually finding a new home in Brisbane (Fitzroy diehards will disagree that the true Lions spirit is living in Brisbane).
It was a messy and ugly process, but one that was needed to shed a team and open up the competition to further markets.
With promotion and relocation highly unlikely and a conference system opening up its own can of worms, staying at 18 clubs yet continuing to increase the national footprint could come down to Victorian clubs relocating – shipped off to Tassie, Darwin, Townsville or elsewhere.
Are we witnessing the last golden era for the Victorian-based clubs as a group, before the pressure of fighting for their share of Melbourne and the continued rise of multiple interstate opposition wears their numbers down?
It may sound like an exaggeration at present, but this is the long-term dilemma of a competition with state roots (VFL) that is morphing into a truly national competition.
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July 4th 2011 @ 7:51am
Redb said | July 4th 2011 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Great photo!
July 4th 2011 @ 8:48am
Fivehole said | July 4th 2011 @ 8:48am | Report comment
North Qld is a looooong way off. Not big enough population wise, and AFL is not the main game there. I can see Tassie though, as long as they sort out the Nth / Sth divide.
Both the AFL with its Melbourne teams and the NRL with its Sydney teams need to look at the possibilities of merging / culling / relocating teams vs the damage this does to the game (eg loss of Fitzroy, North Sydney fans.)
July 4th 2011 @ 9:00am
BigAl said | July 4th 2011 @ 9:00am | Report comment
AFL has a surprisingly high profile in Cairns !
July 4th 2011 @ 9:07am
Redb said | July 4th 2011 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Certainly on par with RL in Cairns at a local competition grass roots level. I remember the Cairns Post having photo of the winners of both Aust football & Rl comp on their front page. AFLQ is currently working on improving the talent base out of Cape York for football.
Populaton wise its tough though, would need to be like the NQ Cowboys covering a wide area. Perhaps a North OZ team?
July 4th 2011 @ 9:07am
Fivehole said | July 4th 2011 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Agree it has a profile, but until population reaches a larger critical mass, not enough to sustain a team long term. By all means take a few exhibition games there or even some premiership matches and test the waters. Good for the game.
July 4th 2011 @ 9:12am
Redb said | July 4th 2011 @ 9:12am | Report comment
The AFL are doing just that in a fortnight. Richmond v Gold Coast at Cazalys in Cairns Round 17.
July 5th 2011 @ 10:07am
Jason said | July 5th 2011 @ 10:07am | Report comment
It is still dwarfed when compared to league (and even union I think)
July 5th 2011 @ 12:14pm
Redb said | July 5th 2011 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Big Al’s statement is true relative to other parts of Nth QLD particularly.
RL is the biggest (as you would expect), Aussie Rules & rugby union roughly on par in Cairns.
July 5th 2011 @ 8:46pm
bilbo said | July 5th 2011 @ 8:46pm | Report comment
I am from Cairns, and RL is king. Especially this time of year – origin time is crazy!
People know about AFL – its not Sydney or Brisbane – but are unlikely to watch any games on TV. Junior player numbers might be strong but are only a part of an indication as to the success of a sport. Television ratings for Cowboys games and Origin would be the best indicator.
The Cairns Junior comp is strong, with four current maroons coming from the Cairns comp.
18,000 people (roughly 15-20% of the population) turned up for a Cowboys trial three years ago.
I must say though, that except for the Wallabies in the world cup and the bledisloe – AFL has a bigger presence than RU in Cairns.
July 4th 2011 @ 10:16am
Chris said | July 4th 2011 @ 10:16am | Report comment
To me the Tasmania North/South divide is easily solved by dividing the home games between Hobart and Launceston. The question is, do you start a new team up from scratch or relocate another team. if a team such as North melbourne doesn’t want to relocate, but shows no sign of improving its bottom line, then maybe it should drop down to the VFL and allow a new club to start from scratch in Tasmania?
July 4th 2011 @ 4:00pm
Football United said | July 4th 2011 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
if tasmania want a team they should stop whinging about this divide and just deal with it. by switching stadiums between the north and the south, you practically destroy any chance of a serious home advantage which interstate teams enjoy.
July 5th 2011 @ 2:13am
GrecoRoman said | July 5th 2011 @ 2:13am | Report comment
They’re both in Tasmania. If the team is called Tasmania something why would it matter?
July 5th 2011 @ 2:31pm
Jaredsbro said | July 5th 2011 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
I don’t particularly like the general anti-Tasmania rhetoric of many of the rhetoricians here
I’m not from tassie, of course, but it is a state and yet many of you guys lump it together with the unorganised (Northern) Territory who don’t even want an equal (theoretically) say and vote.
Tasmania is quite a unique sporting location, perhaps more of you should stop talking about placing teams where it’s easiest (most convenient) and start actually considering the possibility of a truly national comp…rather than conceiving of all non-AFL states as just like Sydney or Tasmania as just a backward and watered down country Victoria.
January 2nd 2012 @ 9:10pm
JTH said | January 2nd 2012 @ 9:10pm | Report comment
Yeah, if a NQL team comes into the league, it shoudl be based in Cairns, not Townsville or anywhere further south
July 4th 2011 @ 9:18am
Football Fan said | July 4th 2011 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Weren’t we talking about how Victorian clubs were all DOOMED in 1992/1994 when the Eagles won flags? and 1997/98 when the crows did? 2004 when the Lions and Power played in the GF? 2005/06 when the swans and eagles played in consecutive GFs?
July 4th 2011 @ 9:54am
Redb said | July 4th 2011 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Yeah its called equalisation via the salary cap & draft.
7 years ago Port Adelaide & Brisbane played off in a Grand Final this year they play to avoid the wooden spoon. The wheel turns.
This year we have the widest open finals race I’ve seen awhile. West Coast seriously challenging the Top 4, Freo & Syd just off the pace but in finals contention. West Coast finished last in 2010, after winning in 2006.
I’m still trying to figure out the point of his article it seems to be thin on premise, just going over old ground.
July 4th 2011 @ 10:02am
Football Fan said | July 4th 2011 @ 10:02am | Report comment
We also just saw both South Australian teams getting huge bailouts to stop them going bust before they move to Adelaide oval – where’s the mention? Where’s the article about how Aussie Rules in South Australia is doomed?
July 4th 2011 @ 10:13am
AC said | July 4th 2011 @ 10:13am | Report comment
The AFL is making too many concessions to non heartland states. It isnt fair. GWS might win the premiership in 2015 like they are saying but thats because everything is getting loaded down for them at the expense of the older established clubs. Is that fair. As Football fan points out look at the state of the game in SA – terrible. The Swans have lost three of their last games. TV audiences for AFL are poor in the northern states. The AFl has to sure up its beachhead in Victoria its the heart of the game.
July 5th 2011 @ 2:34pm
Jaredsbro said | July 5th 2011 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
In a suburban comp which the AFL certainly isn’t anymore, that might be the case AC, but for a national comp, in a world increasingly globalising etc (I don’t agree with all of the global village rhetoric, but it’s part of being a citizen in a first world country like Australia now-a-days) no way! Victoria’s always going to provide the bulk of the dosh…but to have a meaningful competition now requires spreading the power-balance around. You don’t give the richest tax cuts for much the same reason, or if you do…you lose competitive advantage
July 4th 2011 @ 10:14am
voodoo people said | July 4th 2011 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Realistic markets for the AFL to target in the future would be
* Canberra – NSW pop heading towards 10M by 2050, a 3rd team as a satellite to Sydney must be on the cards for the AFL. Wollongong and Newcastle would be too hard, Canberra is a good fit though, with a young, educated workforce from all over Australia there. Infrastructure would be the biggest problem.
* Tasmania – but a relocation is more likely.
* Perth – easily AFLs strongest market outside Melbourne, and growing.
* North Queensland/Darwin is a pipe dream. Not enough people. Something for the long term basket (ie 2030 onwards).
The big question for the AFL in the next decade though is if they will maintain an 18 team comp with relocations or expand to 20 and hope for the best with the weak Melbourne teams.
Super Rugby won’t do anything for a long while now – it is stretched to its absolute limits right now with 5 teams – but if it expands, Adelaide would be first, then maybe a second NSW or QLD side, but it will be 2025 by the time that happens.
The NRL’s expansion prospects seem pretty clear cut too – teams are needed in Perth (next cab off the rank), Adelaide (not ready though so at least 10 years away), South East Queensland (second strongest market but weak presence), Wellington/Christchurch (3rd strongest market, but the NZRL comes second to Australian issues in the NRL), and Central Coast (yet there are too many teams just down the road in Sydney).
HOW it does this is the big question. We will probably see Perth and either Central Coast or South East Queensland in 2014, then after that maybe a Sydney relocation to either South East Queensland or Central Coast. Following that we will probably see Adelaide and Wellington taking the comp to 20 teams (18 Aust, 2 NZ), but that would be 2025 or later.
A League, well who knows? depends on finances, but they will target SE Australia. Canberra, Wollongong, Geelong, Western Sydney, Melbourne III are most likelies.
July 4th 2011 @ 11:07am
Republican said | July 4th 2011 @ 11:07am | Report comment
I have regularly suggested a ‘top end’ side that incorporates the NT, FNQ and even PNG.
I believe however that the AFL’s growth criteria is set far higher than that of League, Soccer or Union, which will limit the codes reach in some respects, unless i.e. they change tack and decide to take a punt on criteria to do with grassroots and spectator support for our code.
Of course had they taken the latter option we would have seen an AFL presence in Tassie and the ACT by now, rather than the top down approach of going to alien demographics with high population i.e. Sydney, GWS and the GC.
July 4th 2011 @ 11:15am
Megaman said | July 4th 2011 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Only a matter of time before we see North Melbourne and Melbourne forced to consider relocation. It’s happening now with North. There won’t be room for all of them. It’s a tiny market when you put nine teams in there. Saw in the nineties how the interstate teams rose and now with so many more of them it’ll mean the struggling Victorian teams will get crowded out.
July 4th 2011 @ 11:24am
Redb said | July 4th 2011 @ 11:24am | Report comment
I agree North Melbourne are ripe for relocation, but seriously doubt Melbourne would ever go, a merger perhaps.
North to Tassie.
St Kilda a relocation option down the track when they bottom out. I think the Western Bulldogs are needed in the western suburbs.
July 5th 2011 @ 1:22am
amazonfan said | July 5th 2011 @ 1:22am | Report comment
Why should they? Their debt has been cleared and there is no financial reason why they would consider merging or relocation.
Melbourne will never have the membership base of Collingwood or Essendon, and they will never be a powerhouse off the field (on the field is an entirely different matter
), however they and can and will do just fine. But you know what, I question whether any of the Melbourne teams need to relocate. They all have long and proud histories, all have passionate supporter bases, and all deserve to stay in the AFL. Considering the record media deal, and that the AFL is able to support those clubs who need supporting, I don’t see why any Melbourne club needs to relocate.
July 5th 2011 @ 4:58pm
woodsman said | July 5th 2011 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
I agree with amazonfan. Geelong’s regional base model is being copied and will be successful for Footscray, St Kilda (to Frankytown) and now even Essendon to give them clearly staked geographical niches that should keep them viable long term. With Melbourne and Richmond both cleared of debt and having high historical public support whether up or down, North Melbourne is the only other Victorian based club that will be terminally threatened in the forseeable future. While Tasmania clearly deserves its own team, Kangaroos fans also deserve to retain their club. If the Kangaroos are forced towards relocation, the move to link to Ballarat should be the priority, not to the Apple Isle.
July 4th 2011 @ 11:30am
Republican said | July 4th 2011 @ 11:30am | Report comment
What I find very disappointing is that despite Canberra being touted by many around the country as an obvious base for future expansion of the indig code, the nations capital is dismissed time and again by the AFL and AD in this respect.
Most recently AD mooted FNQ, Northern WA, Saffa and possibly NZ as future expansion options and Sheeds is keen on California, yet not once was Canberra mentioned so is it little wonder that we are luke warm in turning out in significant numbers to any token footy fixtures afforded us by these indian givers.
I find this extremely disheartening and insulting when overseas countries are already being entertained, especially those as ignorant and contemptuous of Australia as is NZ, ahead of the nations capital.
July 4th 2011 @ 11:03pm
woodsman said | July 4th 2011 @ 11:03pm | Report comment
Hear-hear. I’ve played in several o/s tournaments and there is no doubt that the sport is growing rapidly on strong grass-roots (albeit usually expat seeded) love of the game throughout our region and other Commonwealth-affiliated countries but our code should never move a foreign team into its highest league unless the whole country is behind it. Not going to happen and not worthy. It would cheapen the whole. NRL’s desperation in going off-shore shows how little option they have to expand interest in Australia- it is not something we need to emulate.
July 5th 2011 @ 10:13am
Jason said | July 5th 2011 @ 10:13am | Report comment
With bids coming out of Central Coast, Ipswich, Brisbane, Perth,and Central Queensland I wouldn’t call the NRL desperate to go overseas.
July 5th 2011 @ 12:36pm
voodoo people said | July 5th 2011 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Desperation because of the Warriors? Not really, no different to American/Canadian leagues, or a couple of multi-national soccer leagues in Europe.
I have little doubt that the AFL would have a team at Eden Park if the locals were actually interested.
July 5th 2011 @ 2:38pm
woodsman said | July 5th 2011 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
No idea where Eden Park is, and that is precisely why as a national competition, AFL should always remain exactly that.
July 7th 2011 @ 11:28am
Jason said | July 7th 2011 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Never heard of Eden Park? Need to get out of your bubble a bit more I think.
July 8th 2011 @ 8:16am
woodsman said | July 8th 2011 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Maybe your bubble is that people would know of Eden Park.
July 5th 2011 @ 2:42pm
Jaredsbro said | July 5th 2011 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
Hear hear! The trick is actually testing the waters in this regard, not just assuming (carpet-bombing like) that NZers on the one hand hate Australians (not actually very grounded in truth at all) and thus don’t deserve a stake of the pie…and getting over your own high horse about the possibilities of greater domesticisation of NZ within a greater Australasia
July 4th 2011 @ 11:36am
ManInBlack said | July 4th 2011 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Key date : 2025.
AFL assumes outright ownership of Docklands. The next day, AFL starts printing it’s own money.
After that, anything can happen clubs wise. Centralised funds and a strong strategy makes up for a lot of other short comings on a local level.