Differing degrees of tanking makes policing it difficult
By Ben Somerford, 4 Aug 2011 Ben Somerford is a Roar Expert
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Melbourne Coach Dean Bailey looks on during the AFL Round 19 match between the Geelong Cats and the Melbourne Demons at Skilled Stadium, Geelong. Slattery Images
“You mightn’t select a senior guy who you know is not going to be with you next year for the sake of having a look at a younger bloke … In some people’s eyes, that’s wrong,” AFL Football Operations manager Adrian Anderson said on Tuesday on the topic of tanking.
It’s funny when it’s spelt out like that: ‘tanking’ doesn’t seem so bad. In fact, it starts to make a lot of sense.
But then again, is that necessarily tanking?
Indeed, there’s been a lot of discussion and debate about the topic of tanking this week following comments made by sacked Melbourne coach Dean Bailey. And essentially what all the discussion has shown is there are different degrees of tanking.
One thing is for sure, AFL footballers are a competitive lot and always go out there to try and win. That’s surely not up for debate.
However, coaches and management giving their side the best opportunity to do just that is what’s up for debate.
Sometimes they may not deem winning in their best interests, given the current draft and priority pick system whereby the benefits of a loss can outweigh the benefits of a victory.
Bailey got every AFL journo in the country excited when he said on Monday: “I had no hesitation at all in the first two years in ensuring the club was well placed for draft picks.”
He added: “I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions.”
However, he later moved to clarify that comment when he said: “I experimented to a level that meant that we got players into certain positions and we developed them in those positions.”
Whatever the clarification, people will recall the Round 22 game in 2009, when Bailey played several players out of position in a 47-point loss to St Kilda.
It shouldn’t be forgotten that the Demons were only 16 points down at three-quarter time, in the send-off game for long-serving trio Russell Robertson, Matthew Whelan and Paul Wheatley. Then after a series of player positional changes – such as taking James Frawley off Nick Riewoldt – the Saints got on a roll and kicked away.
This kind of tanking, which involves experimentation and moving players out of position, certainly has a bad smell about it.
Another club to come into question for tanking this week has been West Coast after they claimed the wooden spoon and a priority pick (used to secure star rookie Jack Darling) last year.
The Eagles had a shocking season in 2010 yet have become top four contenders in 2011. That incredible improvement has aroused some suspicion.
The point of contention was the decisions by the Eagles to have key trio Darren Glass, Andrew Embley and Dean Cox end their respective seasons early for surgery to troublesome injuries with a view to 2011.
Some call that tanking, others would call that smart. The reality is the Eagles had won four games to that point and had little to gain by continuing to play those players.
Of course, that helped earned them a priority pick by only winning four games at season’s end but getting the operations done on those players and giving them the best chance to recover in time for pre-season had a long-term view about it.
As these two examples show, there’s two distinct differing degrees of tanking here and that’s an important point following talk from the AFL’s Adrian Anderson that they may act on the issue.
Possible action could be to change the way the draft system works in the AFL whereby the wooden spooner doesn’t automatically get pick one. Instead, perhaps an NBA-style system could be introduced with the bottom four clubs going into a lucky dip to see who’ll win the number one pick (with the odds stacked in the favour of the wooden spooner, but not guaranteed).
Another change could be whereby priority picks aren’t designated on the basis of wins-losses, but rather after the judgement of an independent body who can analyse a team’s performances over two seasons taking into account player injuries.
However, would such changes have an effect considering the differing degrees of tanking?
Perhaps Melbourne would think twice about shuffling the deck midmatch, but would West Coast have done any different?
In a competition like the AFL where there’s little incentive to avoid the wooden spoon (besides for pride), there’s always going to be this danger of clubs taking it easy towards the end of the season, whereas in, for example, the English Premier League where relegation exists, clubs will always fight to the death to win games.
Indeed, this is the point of contention and something which will be impossible for the AFL to change unless they make a radical new policy.
It’s a topic which hits hard at the integrity of the competition, particularly when one side isn’t putting all their resources into an AFL match.
However, it’s not one easily policed, nor fixed.
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August 4th 2011 @ 8:44am
ManInBlack said | August 4th 2011 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Tanking is a black interpretation of often grey and innocent ‘list management’.
However, the big issue for the AFL was the perception of ‘reward’ for failure via the concession draft picks. Thus perception and reality seem to align with the ‘motive’.
Coaches however are always prone to seeking to improve their personal ‘win-loss’ ratio perhaps at the expense of long term development. It’s the fluctuation either side of the point of equilibrium that generates interest when it’s seen to go too far in one direction.
For Bailey, he helped push out the door people like Russell Robertson who could’ve stayed on another year or two and helped win more games. Bailey though appears to have had the remit of being a ‘teaching’ coach (thus, a ‘tanker’ if you will) rather than a ‘winning’ coach. And Melbourne now wants a ‘winner’ in place to take the team forward.
August 4th 2011 @ 9:14am
stabpass said | August 4th 2011 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Every club, every code, will have a different level of tanking, if you ain’t gunna make the finals, it’s entirely appropiate to play kids and blood them for next year.
As you say, it’s the level of tanking !!, i am not aware of any team that loses on purpose.
August 4th 2011 @ 11:42am
Aka said | August 4th 2011 @ 11:42am | Report comment
If there is an incentive not to win then it is likely that a team will lose on purpose. Genuine list management is another thing. If your intention is to preserve your list (e.g injury prevention) or develop your players, but in doing so you risk losing that is different to ‘tanking’ IMO. With tanking the intention is to lose.
August 4th 2011 @ 11:01am
Roarchild said | August 4th 2011 @ 11:01am | Report comment
If they use a lottery (and they should) it should include all the teams that didn’t make the finals and maybe even 7th and 8th too. Obviously with a much smaller chance of winning but otherwise all your doing is changing the line from avoiding last place to avoiding 5th last.
Would mean teams like the Swans and Crows who are always competitive and don’t bottom out aren’t penalized like they are now where it seems it pays to have a really bad season now and then if you want to become a challenger.
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August 4th 2011 @ 11:18am
Redb said | August 4th 2011 @ 11:18am | Report comment
The priority pick has to go the intention is right however it is subject to abuse or innuendo.
August 4th 2011 @ 12:41pm
Matt F said | August 4th 2011 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
First we need to define what tanking is. Sending an injured player off for surgery early in order to be ready for next season is not tanking. Playing kids to give them experience so that they will be better for next year is not tanking. Both of these are list management (though it’s easy to manipulate the second issue.) Playing players out of position and employing tactics designed to manufacture a loss is tanking.
The easiest solution to stop, or at least reduce, tanking is to get rid of the priority pick.
August 4th 2011 @ 3:05pm
Jason said | August 4th 2011 @ 3:05pm | Report comment
I totally agree with you Roarchild and Redb. Being a Crows fan its painful to watch players like Adam Cooney, Bryce Gibbs and Jack Trengove get sent off to Victorian clubs that sell their soul as soon they cant make finals to get the best pick when Adelaide and Sydney are punished for playing to win every game.
August 4th 2011 @ 3:38pm
Chaos said | August 4th 2011 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
For goodness sake. The Eagles priority pick was 26! I repeat 26! How many of these are recognisable names?
Travis Colyer, Jayden Post, Brett Meredith, Shane Edwards, Garrick Ibbotson, Matthew Little, Daniel MCConnel, Jared Rivers, Aaron Rogers, Shane Biress, Stephan Doyle, Micheal O’Brien, Brodie Holland, Tim Notting, Chris Groom, Tim Elliot, Stephen Jurica, Stephan Edgar, Ben Herald and Dale Hall all pick 26.
To say they tanked to get Jack Darling is crazy. Jack Darling is a good player but at pick 26 Geelong and Brisbane said no twice and Gold Coast had 9 picks to possible get him! Other teams passed him over. The Eagles in 2010 also missed the first three picks due to Gold Coast! Not the smartest year to tank.
2009 was the year to tank, not 2010. If the Eagles were ‘tankers’ wouldn’t have won 4 of their last 5 in 2009. That year Trengrove and Martin were avaliable and no Gold Coast draft. It would have been a good year to tank the last 5 games and get the priority pick, as well as a pick before 7.
People looking at WCE for 2010 are just mad they let Darling slip to 26. How many teams this year are short of decent big men!
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Anyway, to make sure teams don’t tank all teams who finish outisde the finals should get a draft lottery (like the NBA). It you aren’t guaranteed the first pick, you have less incentive to throw games and put the cue in the rack.
August 4th 2011 @ 5:04pm
camcallsthegame said | August 4th 2011 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
Read my article on Melbourne’s leadership concerns http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/08/04/iron-fist-required-by-demons-new-coach/