Everyone versus AFL, but NRL shakiest
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The balance of power in Australian sport was clearly visible in Sydney University’s Manning Bar on Tuesday afternoon.
Speaking to around forty students, with no cameras or journalists in sight, CEO of the NRL David Gallop and SANZAR head Greg Peters made the cases for league and union in a forum entitled, “This is Our House: The Battle for Bums on Seats.”
Conspicuous in his absence was Andrew Demetriou, or any of his representatives.
I understand why Demetriou wasn’t there. The flight from Melbourne is a long one, particularly when you’re flying first-class, and the Big Dog doesn’t stir for small-time events like a student forum.
But why couldn’t the AFL at least have sent someone − maybe a junior executive, or, better yet, a minor employee from AFL House, someone who would have really underlined the gap between the country’s dominant code and the rest? You send your CEO, we send a cleaner. Take that, rivals.
The AFL can afford such arrogance, because unlike league and union, it doesn’t have to battle for bums on seats. While Gallop proudly delivered a ream of statistics about how well the NRL is doing, especially in Western Sydney, the fact remains that, in attendance at least, the AFL reigns supreme.
At Monday night’s match between Souths and Parramatta (albeit two struggling teams) there was a little over 10,000 people, and Andrew Johns commenting for Triple M thought that was a “good” crowd. If the AFL got a crowd like that for a match between say, Richmond and Melbourne, there’d be an inquiry.
True, the NRL’s major source of revenue is not from attendance but from television, and Gallop emphasised televised league rates very highly. Indeed, it rates so highly that it’s possible the upcoming TV deal between the NRL and its various suitors may be bigger than the AFL’s massive deal struck earlier in the year.
If so, then league people will be crowing. But the dollar signs should not blind them to the underlying weakness of league vis-à-vis AFL.
The NRL is strong in Western Sydney and Queensland, as Gallop says, and there is no prospect of its heartland falling to AFL any time soon. But the very fact that the AFL is expanding into these territories and that the NRL perceives it as a threat is a sign of the codes’ relative positions.
One is national, and growing, and the other is regional, and largely staying steady. The AFL’s biggest problem at the moment is that one of two clubs in South Australia is failing. Wouldn’t the NRL love to have this problem?
Union is a different case altogether. As the manner of Peters indicated (relaxed and jovial, where Gallop was pre-emptively defensive), the “game they play in heaven” − or what amounts to heaven in this world for rugby fans, the all-boys private school − has little to worry about.
Its international status means it’s not dependent on a single league or national competition in the way league and AFL are, though one might doubt whether it’s the “truly global” sport the New Zealander Peters says it is.
The least played and followed of the three codes in this country, Australian rugby nevertheless has a ready supply of cash from its hard-core of supporters on Sydney’s North Shore. While the domestic competitions get virtually no crowds, and Super Rugby teams (except the Reds this year) get small ones, the Wallabies are a national brand.
So while union will never be able to compete with AFL for dominance of the market, it doesn’t really have to. Content with its niche position, it can watch from the sidelines as AFL and league fight it out, perhaps hoping (though Peters was much too polite to say so) that league will ultimately fail and its supporters and fan-base can then be absorbed into a new super code.
Impossibly distant as that event may seem (and I don’t believe it will ever happen), it must be on Gallop’s mind. One of the most interesting things he said during the forum was that the reason the NRL doesn’t have a draft is that, if boys were faced with the prospect of moving from Sydney to Townsville, or Auckland to Melbourne, or vice versa, they would choose to play union rather than the league.
This is not, of course, something the AFL has to worry about. Though many of its youngsters could play any of the three codes, the possibility of leaving home does not deter from them choosing to play the unique, distinctly Australian sport.
Which brings us to what is really the rub for rugby league. Where AFL’s uniqueness is both its strength and limit − secure in Australia, it is hard to see how it could ever expand beyond it − and union’s international status ensures its safety, league is caught in no-man’s land.
Like enough to union to be vulnerable to poaching, but not offering the opportunities of a truly international sport, it is the only one of the three codes which could (which doesn’t mean it will, or should) go under.
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August 14th 2011 @ 3:15am
Mark said | August 14th 2011 @ 3:15am | Report comment
I’d agree with this article, can’t help but think this is going to be another code war argument.
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August 14th 2011 @ 3:28pm
Tony said | August 14th 2011 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Excellent article. However, the fact that Sydney crowds are so much smaller than AFL has always been the case. The early reports from Melbourne indicate the huge popularity of the local game, esp amongst women. Look at the VFL attendances in the 20′s & 30′s. But it’s not just a Melbourne thing. Growing up in Adelaide I was aware that SANFL attendances were bigger than Sydney League & Union. Like 20,000 in the 70′s at H & A games in a city 1/4 the size of Sydney. Aussie Rules has always attracted huge crowds in every state where it is the dominant code. Something to be proud of when realizing AFL is 3rd highest av attendance in world after NFL & Bundesliga.
August 14th 2011 @ 4:05am
VikingSven said | August 14th 2011 @ 4:05am | Report comment
“Where AFL’s uniqueness is both its strength and limit − secure in Australia, it is hard to see how it could ever expand beyond it”
Seriously?
I strongly suggest you head down to Blacktown on Monday and Wednesday: http://www.ic11.com.au
August 14th 2011 @ 1:25pm
db swannie said | August 14th 2011 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Yes seriously..It is nigh on impossible to start a pro or semi pro comp in another country & be successful..
August 14th 2011 @ 3:31pm
VikingSven said | August 14th 2011 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
He didn’t say that, didn’t he. No criteria were provided except for a sweeping statement.
Who knows what will happen in the next 50 years? Maybe we will have some semi-pro or even a pro league or two amongst them.
The fact is there are 18 national teams assembled in Blacktown to play Australian Football (and not one ex-pat in any of them) right under the authors nose.
If folks aren’t prepared to get out there and see for themselves with an open mind, they can’t actually be in a position to offer anything but an uneducated, speculative pot shot.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:18pm
The Cattery said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
Hi Sven – plenty of uneducated, speculative pot shots on these pages! Do you have some sort of role with either of the two Scandanavian teams? The Danes gave the South Africans a bit of a fright in the first half.
August 14th 2011 @ 7:50pm
VikingSven said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:50pm | Report comment
Yes, I’ve been known to dabble within certain circles in Scandinavian footy.
August 16th 2011 @ 8:16pm
Jackson said | August 16th 2011 @ 8:16pm | Report comment
Scandinavian rugby union is bigger
August 15th 2011 @ 12:56am
C.K said | August 15th 2011 @ 12:56am | Report comment
Must be all the South Africans that can’t make it in Rugby.
August 14th 2011 @ 1:36pm
Titus said | August 14th 2011 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
With all games being blowouts, most teams failing to register a single point and some matches with a total score of 24, that whole IC thing has been shown up to be a massive joke, I’m sorry but seriously, you would be better off not refering to it.
Congrats on your enthusiasm though!
August 14th 2011 @ 3:21pm
VikingSven said | August 14th 2011 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
That will change now since the competition has split into 2 divisions.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:19pm
The Cattery said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
Titus
don’t tell me you have a concern about a team not scoring – heaven forbid!
August 14th 2011 @ 5:25pm
Titus said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Well in AFL I do, how is that even possible. One team didn’t have enough possession in the opposition half to give the ball a mighty kick towards goal and at worst get one point.
Did anyone see these games? How is that possible? Has it ever happened in the AFL?
What makes me laugh even more is a score of 24 to 0, so both teams struggled to have the skills to hit the ball towards goals and presumably spent the majority of the game fumbling around in the middle of the park. Must have been painful to watch.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:39pm
The Cattery said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
The first day of games were short games, to confirm seedings into Division 1 and 2.
The weaker teams playing against the stronger teams will fail to get their hands on the footy, they can’t just fall back and cover up the goals and hope for a result – if you can’t get your hands on the footy, you can’t score and you’re going to cop a hiding – why is that so hard to understand?
Yes, of course, the game is easy, until you’re the one out there who has to win the footy.
August 14th 2011 @ 4:13am
JVGO said | August 14th 2011 @ 4:13am | Report comment
Your argument is too facile and smug in it’s attempt to attack RL. Rugby Unions private school nursery is way too small for it to remain internationally competitive purely on that basis. It has always depended on a symbiosis with League in players, coaching etc. AFL is probably a bigger threat to Union than league because of this smaller demographic. And you are also way too cocky in regards to AFL’s success in the north. both the Lions and Swans have been going backward rapidly in the last few years. It is far more likely that all the AFL’s northen ventures will be never ending money pits than that the NRL will ever fall over. You argument doesn’t really make any sens eanyway, it i think could equally be argued that RL strong domestic comp coupled with its international and representative elements makes it the strongest of the three codes. It just depends which side of the border you’re yelling from though I guess. i imagine at least 50% of the country will continue to think that AFL is tedious and provincial.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:39am
JVGO said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:39am | Report comment
By the way, would SU even bother to invite Demetriou. I’d imagine Gallop and Peters were both there because Sydney University was a founding club in both the Sydney Rugby codes competitions and thus has a significant place in the hundred plus years history of both these international codes.
August 14th 2011 @ 9:29am
The Cattery said | August 14th 2011 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Sydney University Football Club is viewed as the founding father of rugby in Australia, and with good reason, but there is a lot of conjecture about whether SUFC started playing rugby in 1863 or 1865.
Club historian Tom Hickie, in his book entitled A Sense of Union . “reveals that the SUFC, which began playing under the rugby rules, flirted with ‘Victorian Rules’ in its formative stages but it finally resolved to play the English code rather than the Australian game.” (from Sydney Uni aussies rule web site, and also mentioned on Wikipedia).
August 14th 2011 @ 9:52am
punter said | August 14th 2011 @ 9:52am | Report comment
It looks like even back then Sydney Uni even had intellience, as 1 game grew & is played in over 100 countries & the other well…..
August 14th 2011 @ 10:52am
Andrew said | August 14th 2011 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Given it was amateurs versus professionals, it was always doomed to fail at that level.
August 14th 2011 @ 12:32pm
NF said | August 14th 2011 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
‘It looks like even back then Sydney Uni even had intellience, as 1 game grew & is played in over 100 countries & the other well’
Yeh you ‘support’ the Dragons thanks for showing you true colors.
August 14th 2011 @ 12:57pm
Sean Fagan said | August 14th 2011 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
@ The Cattery – “flirted” shouldn’t be taken to mean the SU played football by Aust rules. There is some evidence the SU club in late 1860s may have played by rules that were not rugby, but something that shared some of the Vic rules. The story often gets lost in the telling, but the closest SU came to playing Vic rules came at a NSWRU meeting in 1877 when the SUFC pushed for changes to do away with scrums and adopt rules modelled upon the VFA’s, but ultimately said it would abide with a vote taken by all the clubs – it’s obvious which way that vote went. Vic rules clubs started in the wake of that meeting, but SUFC didn’t join them. An Aust rules team was formed at SU in 1887 but was extinct by 1889. The current SU Aust rules club claims to be one of the oldest AR clubs in NSW & in Australia, citing 1887, but there was no new SU team founded until 1947.
August 14th 2011 @ 2:49pm
The Cattery said | August 14th 2011 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
Sean
I don’t know the history at all, but this Tom Hickie is the club historian, and he’s talking about 1863 (which is very early indeed).
August 14th 2011 @ 3:36pm
Sean Fagan said | August 14th 2011 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
@ The Cattery – if you’re surmising that from the clumsily worded Wiki page…The SU club itself defers to 1863 (not Tom or me), and the reference to Melb rules being played is re the 1887-89 team I mentioned above. I had really close look at the 1863-5 matter here > http://rugbyaustralis.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/sufc-1863/
August 14th 2011 @ 5:10pm
sheek said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Sean (& Cattery),
You present a very confounding case against SU continuing to insist their rugby birthdate is 1863, especially since, as you further suggest, they wouldn’t have had enough students to form an internal comp.
It boggles my mind that SU continue to follow this line that they started playing rugby in 1963, when all the available history suggests otherwise.
Furthermore I believe (although I’m not 100% sure) that Tom Hickie himself agrees rugby didn’t start at SU in 1863. But there they are……….
August 14th 2011 @ 5:28pm
Sean Fagan said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
@ sheek – in the end it is up to the club. The club can prefer to give greater weight to the traditional story handed down through the club’s members. Plenty have pointed out that the Melb FC was founded 1859 and not the 1858 they mark. The original rugby clubs at Parramatta (1879) and Randwick (1882) disbanded and disappeared, but the current clubs pin their founding to those dates rather than when each suburb formed another club years later. Whether that is appropriate or not appropriate is really up to the club. I think if a NRL club tried that, other clubs (fans & even officials) would enter a strong debate about it – but in Aust rules & RU it doesn’t seem to matter as much to anyone.
August 14th 2011 @ 9:28pm
The Cattery said | August 14th 2011 @ 9:28pm | Report comment
In relation to AFL clubs, at least the documentation exists in virtually every case, plus there’s stacks in the papers of the day, going all the way back to the earliest days. In the case of Melb FC, I think the inaugural minutes of the club are dated 1859, some might argue that some form of club organisation pre-dates that inaugural meeting – personally, that sort of differential is unimportant to me – 1859 is plenty old, and not only that Melb FC is marked by having existed and played in the top level of the game, in whatever guise since that moment – which is probably unique in world sport (referring to the period of time elapsed).
August 14th 2011 @ 5:24am
betamax said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:24am | Report comment
It’s easy to characterize RL in terms of its popularity in Australia alone, particularly from the blinkered petri dish confines of certain southern capitals.
However, a cursory glance at the UK Challenge Cup Final at Wembley on August 27th in front of 80k, and the recent 90mill broadcast deal secured by Sky in the UK would suggest that RL is doing just fine elsewhere on this planet, thanks for asking. Not global by any standards, but it still has a healthy professional comp which is seemingly growing in the UK and Europe.
August 14th 2011 @ 8:22am
Damien said | August 14th 2011 @ 8:22am | Report comment
I agree but how is RL in the UK going to keep Australian talent in Australia.
International matches in League just don’t have the same appeal that Union Test’s do. Even though they should be the pinnacle of League is State Of Origin.
At least with the Wallabies (if you’re good enough to make them) you can still have a taste of Northern Hemisphere rugby through Tests and touring matches while still basing yourself in Australia.
August 14th 2011 @ 11:15am
Rugby League Nut said | August 14th 2011 @ 11:15am | Report comment
The comment you make about the Wallabies also applied to the Kangaroos. They are playing a four nations in England and Wales at the end of the year and might even get over to France for a test.
So as you can see RL does give players opportunities to play overseas in Europe.
Does AFL do anything outside a hybred match against Ireland?
August 14th 2011 @ 2:11pm
Emuarse said | August 14th 2011 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
‘and might even get over to France for a test’ – you mean if they can find 15 league players in France, maybe get the 15 Welsh players (from the north of England) to go on to Paris. LOL.
August 15th 2011 @ 4:04pm
Rugby League Nut said | August 15th 2011 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
lol……Mate suggest you check this thread regarding registered juniors in France. It is even translated for you.
http://forums.rugbyleagueplanet.com/topic/4258052/1/
And just on Wales Numbers are growing pretty fast!
http://forums.rugbyleagueplanet.com/topic/4414976/1/
Now when you get over the truth feel free to come back and post again!
August 14th 2011 @ 4:23pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 14th 2011 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
Yeah maybe Emuarse, I guess they could ask all those Aussies in the Catalans side and some of the other Aussies in the other 70+ locals Froggy teams if they would step up and play for France.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:01pm
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
And to the wonderful flippant ïnsight of Emuarse and ClipperWithChips onBoth
As per the January squad details for Catalans 15 of the 25 registered players for that team ,were French born and bred.Let alone the u18 squad.
That excludes of course French born rl players involved in Pommy SL clubs.It pays to do your homework chaps,before trying to secure public point scoring.It’s so FitzSimons.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:04pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
Hahaha CC, I was being sarcastic, I know exactly what is happening in France, I’m on the good side with you mate
August 14th 2011 @ 6:54pm
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 6:54pm | Report comment
Clipperwithchipsonboth.You mean there is an addtional rl poster on here? You deserve a medal for bravery. LOL.
August 14th 2011 @ 7:18pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:18pm | Report comment
No worries CC, I’d have used my usual name from somewhere else if someone hadn’t used it to troll here.
August 14th 2011 @ 8:54am
Bakkies said | August 14th 2011 @ 8:54am | Report comment
It’s growing in northern England and that’s all
August 14th 2011 @ 10:07am
Adrien2166 said | August 14th 2011 @ 10:07am | Report comment
also growing in france
August 14th 2011 @ 5:07pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
Of course it is Adrien, 10 years ago the playing numbers were close to 7,500, this year to date has the numbers at just under 40k.
August 16th 2011 @ 8:37pm
dave said | August 16th 2011 @ 8:37pm | Report comment
is that the rugby league calculator?
August 17th 2011 @ 7:30am
Crosscoder said | August 17th 2011 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Bonjour !No its the French rl calculator dave.The 40,000 are participants including registered and school students playing.
August 17th 2011 @ 9:42am
dave said | August 17th 2011 @ 9:42am | Report comment
so include those kids who turn up afterschools for a clinics and all because the number of clubs and schools playing doesnt add up to 10,000 players at all in france according to french posters on trl. is this the same as the 140,000 rugby legue players that was mention for england a few year ago as well?
August 17th 2011 @ 3:45pm
Crosscoder said | August 17th 2011 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
So a few years ago? Yes let’s all live in the past Dave.
The stats come from the FRL.Argue with them and Larrat and all your secret detectives scattered around the sporting world.
The stats are in the RFL website.and in the London rugby league website for their players.I have never seen 140,000 registered players .
They are the ones involved in development and the local clubs. Your struggling .
Or the 500,000 mentioned as ru players in England?
August 17th 2011 @ 4:12pm
Crosscoder said | August 17th 2011 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
Reference provided originally by Phil Caplan RLEF spokesperson
http://www.rugbyleagueinternationalscores.com/index.php/2011/05/press-release-larrat-heralds-remarkable-growth-in-france/
August 17th 2011 @ 9:53pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 17th 2011 @ 9:53pm | Report comment
Why are you trolling here for dave, bored or something?
Seniors Leagues in France 2011/12 season.
Eite 1 has 11 clubs
Elite2 has 11 clubs
DN1 has 8 clubs
DN2 has 8 clubs
DN3 has 7 soon to be 9 clubs this season if two Paris clubs get promotion next month.
IDF ZONE has 6 clubs (Île-de-France), could go up or down depending on DN3 above
Federal division has clubs scattered all over the joint.
Plus Les Catalans.
All these teams are senior teams and they are all working on juniors, so how do you know what the numbers are? Is it because someone on a forum wrote something negative so you just have to believe it?
August 14th 2011 @ 11:10am
Rugby League Nut said | August 14th 2011 @ 11:10am | Report comment
RL is the fastest growing sport in London and Wales. France has also seen increases and their Elite comp has been around since the 1940′s. What about the growth in NZ over the last few years? What about PNG. What about Europe and lets not forget the US and Canada.
SOO for RL from a TV perspective is like having 4 Grand finals a year to the AFL’s 1. RU will rate it’s socks off come the RWC.
The code with all its TV eggs in one basket is the AFL. It really is dependent on Victoria.
August 14th 2011 @ 4:42pm
Pockman said | August 14th 2011 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
Links to prove any of those statements, also Union is the fastest rugby code in north America, recently a sports committee in America determined Union was the third fastest growing sport in the States.
Agree with you about AFL having all it’s eggs in one basket but it doesn’t bother them that there code is not international.
August 14th 2011 @ 7:07pm
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:07pm | Report comment
Pockman
you can try these for starters
France
http://www.rlif.co.uk/teams/france
Wales
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/council/news/wrl-10.html
http://www.crusadersrfl.com/article.php?.id=5558
http://www.crusadersrfl.com/article.php?id=2548
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby-league-in-Wales
London
http://www.londonrl.com/get-innvolved/play
http://www.kentsport.org/rugby-league.cfm
August 14th 2011 @ 7:23pm
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:23pm | Report comment
Correction on site should have read
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/council/news/wrl_10.htm
Hope I got it right this time.
August 14th 2011 @ 7:39pm
Pockman said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:39pm | Report comment
Literally half the links did not work. Nothing refers to it being the fastest growing sport in London (well none of those links worked anyway) and I counted 2 that were just the team’s websites and one had the logo of a Union team on it (Harlequins). Also the one below was for people who wanted to become a ref or coach (No thanks). Oh well at least you din’t send links about Canada and U.S.A I can only imagine what a farce you would have made of that.
August 17th 2011 @ 4:44pm
King of the Gorgonites said | August 17th 2011 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
CC,
how is professional rugby league going in Wales?
The number of nations with professional RL clubs is shrinknig again……..
August 15th 2011 @ 4:13pm
Rugby League Nut said | August 15th 2011 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
Pockman Looks like the links have already been posted. You can also use a thing called google to find out more.
August 18th 2011 @ 8:01am
Crosscoder said | August 18th 2011 @ 8:01am | Report comment
KOGS
You tell me champ,you are the purveyor of all the bad news,that you scan the world to dredge up on rl.
We know about the Crusaders.
The semi pro Scorpions are doing Ok and the numbers of amateur clubs have not diminished,in fact Wales continues growth at grassroots level and will receive continued support from the RFL.
One pro team is very important,but doesnot a code make.Else PNG would be history.
August 14th 2011 @ 11:27am
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Incorrect.Also growing in Wales,despite the demotion of the Crusaders.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:38pm
clipper said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:38pm | Report comment
It wasn’t a demotion. They withdrew their application for SL for ‘fiinancial reasons’
August 14th 2011 @ 6:00pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 14th 2011 @ 6:00pm | Report comment
Well why don’t you post a link where it says they are dead clipper?
August 14th 2011 @ 7:00pm
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:00pm | Report comment
Clipper Ok. you are correct and i am aware of their pulling out.They however can if they so choose play in a lower division ,which is in if you want to be techical is a demotion from a position they once held,whether by self destruction or not.
August 15th 2011 @ 9:40pm
clipper said | August 15th 2011 @ 9:40pm | Report comment
Well, technically they haven’t taken that course yet, so whether they do or not it the future, they are at present not demoted but withdrawn. But thanks for the confirmation so I don’t need to post any links for the above poster.
August 14th 2011 @ 8:02pm
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 8:02pm | Report comment
Pockman.
And your point champ,to throw out your chest and show my code is bigger than yours?
Go into the London rugby league site and the RFL site,if you are that concerned.
No one is silly enough to make comments like that ,and leave themselves open.
There has been a 300% increase in playing numbers in Wales over the last few years,so something is happening.
August 14th 2011 @ 8:07pm
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
Pokman my typing errors
try again these
sites
http://www.londonrl.com/get_involved/play
http://www.kentsport.org/rugby_league.cfm
August 14th 2011 @ 9:04pm
Pockman said | August 14th 2011 @ 9:04pm | Report comment
No I merely wanted proof on where you got the fastest growing sport in London and Wales from, and if you read my post on your links I didn’t mention Wales because you provided a solid link for the rise in RL in the country.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:25am
gusbrisbane said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:25am | Report comment
I think this article should be ignored. Not that I could…
It’s silly stuff really.
The battle of the codes makes fans of all sports angry and argumentative.
Stop playing with (yourself??) such an opinion. Please, sir.
August 14th 2011 @ 6:40am
Nick the second said | August 14th 2011 @ 6:40am | Report comment
Wow how did this pass the Roars editors?
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August 14th 2011 @ 11:28am
Crosscoder said | August 14th 2011 @ 11:28am | Report comment
It is a dig at rughy league,the Roar’s editors seem to let these fly through to the keeper.
August 14th 2011 @ 7:22am
hutch said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:22am | Report comment
Possibly the worst and most biased article ive ever seen at the roar.
Here we go………
August 14th 2011 @ 7:32am
AGO74 said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:32am | Report comment
with you hutch.
this is just dribble.
August 14th 2011 @ 7:36am
GoGWS said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:36am | Report comment
what are the five stages of grief – denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance…. I think Gould and others like him are at the bargaining stage when it comes to the AFL…get over it ….the AFL is a permanent part of the sporting landscape in NSW and QLD….please Gus no more childish rants about the AFL ‘obliterating’ RL in western sydney…what nonsense…
OK it’s a bit embarrassing for Gus that the Swan/Giants/Lions/Suns players are paid so much and that they pull very large crowds but please get over it…..the NRL is actually in OK shape and on the up as well….unless it nationalises to a similar extent as the AFL (a very long term project they may not be feasible) the NRL and its clubs will always have lower revenues to play with and lower player salaries..and the lower NRL crowds?…will get he needs to get over that as well – the NRL crowds have never been at the same level as the AFL…..the other whinge is that some NSW kids have the temerity to dabble in playing aussie rules…the audacity of these kids and their families!!…imagine actually playing aussie rules and enjoying it!!..how dare they!!
August 14th 2011 @ 7:57am
punter said | August 14th 2011 @ 7:57am | Report comment
It’s seems Phil Gould is the new Craig Foster for the Aussie rules fans.
August 14th 2011 @ 11:46pm
Aussie battler said | August 14th 2011 @ 11:46pm | Report comment
Both Gus and Foz should get a prime time tv show on Channel Nine railing against AFL. It would be the biggest rating show nationwide. You would get the AFL haters v the AFL lovers.
This code wars thing is beginning to get unhealthy. But it has to come to a head one day. It has been brewing for over a century.
Also, what is wrong with Australian society when you have so called Australians talking about the audacity of having their children playing Australia’s national code.
August 17th 2011 @ 1:43am
Queensland's game is rugby league said | August 17th 2011 @ 1:43am | Report comment
I wouldn’t let my children play Aussie rules. I’d tell them that they can play it when they grow up, but if they do decide to do that then they’re out of the family.
August 17th 2011 @ 4:36pm
Crosscoder said | August 17th 2011 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
Get Cassidy to moderate it,and you would get the moderator controlling the content to suit his views.A touch of Collingwood to ensure the RL haters get their money’s worth.
August 15th 2011 @ 9:30am
Redb said | August 15th 2011 @ 9:30am | Report comment
No way is Gould like Foster, Roy Masters perhaps.
August 16th 2011 @ 8:19am
Crosscoder said | August 16th 2011 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Or Caroline Wilson or Cassidy on the Offsiders.They make Masters and Gould appear rational.
August 16th 2011 @ 8:36am
Redb said | August 16th 2011 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Like hell they do. Foster & Masters in a league of their own. Wilson rarely writes about RL, Masters is obsessed with AFL.
August 16th 2011 @ 9:15am
Crosscoder said | August 16th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
None so blind,than ones who cannot see,or words to that effect.
You don’t have to write anti rl stories to be obsessed with it,word of mouth is pretty effective.
Wilson is on Offsiders at least fortnightly.Ever since her face has appeared on that set,she has thrown her 50c in worth about rl.Cassidy brings up every little offfield incident and blows it out of all proportion ,and even to the extent of some on field ones.
Her famous words are’How many hits can that code take”.
AFL ones are either ignored unless of major proportions or treated with a 30 second wave of the hand.
That AFL dominated show takes sheer delight at any rl issue that is negative.There is one guy with a sense of balance; Whately.
Be thanful Mr Yu has been writing pages of fluff pieces on GWS in the Sydney press.The nRL would get down on their knees to secure that sort of promo in Melbourne.
August 16th 2011 @ 8:23pm
Lorry said | August 16th 2011 @ 8:23pm | Report comment
Roy Masters was great in the 70s as coach manufacturing what he openly admits was faux class-warfare between the ‘fibros and silvertails’, and he is still a great League writer, but it aggravates me in the extreme when every Sunday he is on Offsiders, he somehow manages to bring up a League fact whilst the discussion is about rugby union. The Aussie Rules guy does alot better!
Watch last week’s episode, Masters did it again!!!
August 14th 2011 @ 8:12am
Bruce said | August 14th 2011 @ 8:12am | Report comment
You & Gus have nonsense in common.
August 17th 2011 @ 7:37am
Crosscoder said | August 17th 2011 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Lorry
Agree about your point on re ru,no need to do so.So you haven’t noticed any sticking it up rl at times?
Masters is fighting fire with fire,the Offsiders is dominated by the southern code and Cassidy in particular tries to get under Master’s skin with some of his comments.Less said about wilson the better.
The rules guys certainly do a lot better,for their code.
Masters does it on TV,FitzSimons does it in print.They serve it up to the opposite codes,seems to keep their blood circulating.
August 14th 2011 @ 11:24am
Rugby League Nut said | August 14th 2011 @ 11:24am | Report comment
lol…..You’re not talking up a team that hasn’t even started playing games in the top comp yet? Lets see how big their crowds are in western Sydney…….wait a minute they are not playing in Western Sydney but at Homebush and Canberra. Falou wants to come back to league already and the media in Sydney won’t be as kind to the AFL in Sydney as the Media in Melbourne are.
For all the AFL dribble we all know that they inflate participation figures in Western Sydney to include 2 hour AusKick Clinic participants. A code can only get away with dribble for a short time before the media catch on.
August 14th 2011 @ 1:08pm
GoGWS said | August 14th 2011 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Giants has already played pre-season NAB cup games at Blacktown, and you’d expect that to continue….the NAB cup game this year was OK – around 10K……you can’t expect regular season AFL games to be played in Western Sydney if there are no facilities…..it’ll be pre-season NAB cup games at Blacktown and the rest at Homebush where they have a decent facility that can hold up to 25K (and move next door to the main stadium for blockbuster games, for example against the Swans)…
what I have seen in junior club aussie rules in NSW in the last couple of seasons are RL kids coming over at say 13 to 15 yrs of age to have a run…they still play RL for their club but they’ll put their toe in the water and play a few games of aussie rules to see what it’s like….the RL players I’ve seen try aussie rules have been pretty good in a lot of respects but unfortunately they almost all have seriously flawed kicking techniques when it comes to the Sherrin and this takes them from potentially being very good players to just average …. it makes you wish they’d come across for a bit of part-time aussie rules training at a much earlier age for some coaching guidance to correct their techniques….even if they’d remained in RL if they got a few early tips on kicking the Sherrin (and developed a half decent kick) then if later on they decide they want play aussie rules they wouldn’t have bad kicking habits that are very hard to unteach…
if the AFL is serious about developing a large pool of recruitable players at AFL standard it has to get players at 6-7 yrs of age. There is such a thing as ‘over coaching’ the kicking technique but a the same time there are some fundamentals that the kids really need to know and follow to kcik the ball well…and if they can’t kick they can’t play….if you get a 14 yr old who has only ever kicked a RL ball it’s pretty damn hard to uncoach
August 14th 2011 @ 5:23pm
The Cattery said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
IN fact that was a GWS youth side (90% of the side were 17/18 year old kids), playing in a pre-season game, attracting 10k to Blacktown Oval – the other codes would love to attract 10k to a game.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:29pm
Titus said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
Against the Swans.
August 14th 2011 @ 5:31pm
Matt S said | August 14th 2011 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
Please Cattery, this game was FREE FREE FREE, advertised to the hilt. A marketing budget to dream of, with the whole AFL community invited from everywhere. They even had free buses from Canberra.
The next game, pay at the gate= 100 spectators if that.
August 14th 2011 @ 6:23pm
GoGWS said | August 14th 2011 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
free..mmm …well I paid, as did several people I know…tickets were on sale though Ticketek (I think) and from memory they sold it out..free free free?…delusion delusion delusion….if it works for you to keep telling yourself that GWS fans don’t pay for their tickets them help yourself…that is the excuse that keeps on giving…you’ll be able to get very good use from that excuse in the coming years!
August 14th 2011 @ 6:26pm
Matt S said | August 14th 2011 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
GoGWS, you are employed to go on sites like this and spruwk this new AFL team. Then why have further games at Blacktown featured crowds of a few dozen?
Where are these 10,000? Why didn’t they come back?
August 15th 2011 @ 4:48am
GoGWS said | August 15th 2011 @ 4:48am | Report comment
Matt,
the other home games were not against AFL clubs,,,,.why would they turn out in the same numbers to see what are essentially amateur opposition teams…there are no name players and a generally lower standard of play…. it would have been amazing to get 10K to these games…they don’t even get those crowds to amateur games in Victoria….it’s a good throw away line but if you look a little closer at what you’re claiming it makes no sense..
look the first NAB Cup game was a 10K sell out…they couldn’t have done any better….and some games GWS has played in Canberra have been in front of a few thousand not dozens so that’s just not true…GWS has done OK as a club so far…crowds next season won’t be a few hundred…
August 17th 2011 @ 1:48am
Queensland's game is rugby league said | August 17th 2011 @ 1:48am | Report comment
“Where are these 10,000? Why didn’t they come back?”
Because Aussie rules football is a boring and unmarketable sport that is only watched and enthusiastically played by lowbrow hicks.
August 17th 2011 @ 9:47am
dave said | August 17th 2011 @ 9:47am | Report comment
say a rugby league fan who thinks their sport is the best thing since slice bread but outside of nsw and queensland is toast.
August 17th 2011 @ 3:50pm
Queensland's game is rugby league said | August 17th 2011 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
“say a rugby league fan ”
Are you bitter about rugby union being a bore?
Rugby union has been bagged for years for being one of more boring sports to watch. There’s a reason it’s called ‘kick and clap’.
“their sport is the best thing since slice bread but outside of nsw and queensland is toast.”
Go tell that to the Papua New Guineans. They couldn’t be stuffed about rugby union. Rugby league is their favourite sport by a country mile. Rugby league, the national sport of Papua New Guinea. Only nations that hold rugby union as their national sport are New Zealand and Wales. Papua New Guinea is the biggest country of the three.
August 14th 2011 @ 11:53pm
Plonker said | August 14th 2011 @ 11:53pm | Report comment
Wow! That is bigger than what Cronulla and Penith Panthers get to their home games.
August 15th 2011 @ 8:52am
Crosscoder said | August 15th 2011 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Plonker
So bigger than the nearly 20,000 that attended the Sharks v Souths at home.,or the 13,000 plus that attended the sharks v Roosters both on a sunny sunday arvo.
Or the 15,000 that attended the sharks v Saints game on a p*ssy wet evening.
No allocation of note of freebies that were thrown around like confetti at the NAB cup game.
The ordinary crowds were played in the evenings against teams interstate (titans) or Newcastle who brought zilch and the weather threatening with little cover.How would I know.Season ticketholder.
And where is Cronulla placed and the Titans oh no,,the A end of the comp. Wow!
August 14th 2011 @ 4:08pm
pete said | August 14th 2011 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
August 14th 2011 @ 8:12am
Damien said | August 14th 2011 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Nice effort first up Sexton.
Not sure whats so offensive in this article to the League fans (I’m one of them).
The only thing I’d disagree with is that the ARU has nothing to worry about. As a Union player unless you can make the Wallabies you’re almost better off financially playing overseas. If you’re well credentialed and connected (job wise) then maybe staying in Oz is a better option.
As for the NRL. They aren’t going anywhere. Which direction however is debatable but I pretty confident that when the IC is up an running it will be alot better than it is now.
August 14th 2011 @ 8:13am
Al from ctown said | August 14th 2011 @ 8:13am | Report comment
Load of rubbish… Next….
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