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Giants coach Kevin Sheedy and Israel Folau take the stage during the Greater Western Sydney unveiling of its club name and colours at the Sydney Showgrounds, Sydney. Slattery Images
I’m sure there were a few of our readers on The Roar who, along with me, would’ve received an email from the AFL’s newest franchise on Wednesday titled “GWS Giants hit 10,000 members”. My first reaction was, what an achievement for a club who’s never played an AFL game.
I’m someone who likes to keep an eye on the AFL’s expansion efforts and recall the Gold Coast Suns reached the ‘magical’ 10,000 members figure around September last year, so the Giants would argue they’re ahead in that respect.
That’s exactly the positive image GWS and the AFL want to get across, but I, dare I say like many others, was still sceptical about the email.
It really grabbed my attention as I’ve had my doubts that Greater Western Sydney would even manage crowds of 10,000 once the hype dies down about their entrance into the AFL next year.
So I simply had to investigate this email further.
One burning question in my mind was, what exactly do you get from a GWS membership in 2011, when they don’t play their first AFL game until March next year?
To be honest, you don’t get a lot.
The membership package essentially consists of a GWS cap, bumper sticker, membership card, entry to North East Australian Football League games in 2011 and priority access to purchasing a membership in 2012.
But then again, they don’t cost a lot. Fifty bucks to be precise.
Giants chief executive Dale Holmes said in the press release: “To have 10,000 people already committing to the Giants and putting their hand up to say ‘I support the club’, that’s a great result.”
I’m not sure $50 is a genuine commitment to the club, Dale, but it is something.
Without wanting to spread innuendo, I’ve also been informed by some who signed up that family memberships were pretty liberally created when two memberships were purchased in order to boost the figures.
Whatever the case, I want to make it clear I don’t think this whole process is about simply putting across a positive PR image. The AFL does expansion well, so there’s always something to learn from them.
The idea that the $50 2011 membership would earn those who signed up priority access to a membership in 2012, with $50 off the price, is a smart initiative. It’s a way to convert those foundation members into real members attending AFL games in 2012. And that’s the real key for GWS.
Fifty bucks isn’t a big commitment, despite what Holmes may say, so it’s easy for people with some interest to sign up. However, GWS will now aim to convert those genuine sign-ups into members and that’s the big challenge.
Another interesting aspect of all this, is this email came out just days after a curious story in the Sydney Morning Herald about the AFL putting money into western Sydney councils to erect footy goalposts at local sporting ovals and making some venues Aussie Rules exclusive in the rugby and soccer heartland.
According to the story, there’s one Aussie Rules oval for every 68 junior players in western Sydney. Staggering stuff.
However, the point here is, the AFL has the financial might and will to really push to expand its game into western Sydney.
GWS’s 10,000 membership milestone should be taken with a grain of salt, but the AFL will be doing its utmost to capitalise on any semblance of interest in the game in western Sydney.
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August 25th 2011 @ 6:40am
mds1970 said | August 25th 2011 @ 6:40am | Report comment
It’s a start. While a tally of 10,000 is modest compared to other AFL clubs, it’s one of many steps along the road.
GWS Giants won’t take over from rugby league. I haven’t seen anything that suggests rugby league has been adversely affected in any way by the coming of the Giants. But the GWS area is a big place, and although it’s hardly AFL heartland, the Giants are putting in their best efforts to build support.
The 10,000th member is no more significant than the 9,999th member or the 10,001st; other than a psychological milestone. But support is building ahead of the Giants’ entry to the AFL in 2012.
August 25th 2011 @ 7:08am
The_Wookie said | August 25th 2011 @ 7:08am | Report comment
Heres the point.
They’ve reached the target 2 months ahead of where Gold Coast were (GC did it in October last year). The Gold Coast went on to sign 14,064 full members in its inaugural season. Its a base to start from, and gives the elague a concrete idea of how the team is going in the leadup.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:53am
voodoo people said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:53am | Report comment
How many actually live in Sydney though? I have heard of a significant proportion live in Canberra and Melbourne.
The proof is in the pudding, as the article above suggests.
August 25th 2011 @ 8:04am
ChrisC said | August 25th 2011 @ 8:04am | Report comment
It seems the AFL is having a ‘mid life crisis’. The League already had this during the Super League war, thinking the people of China wouldn’t go to bed until they knew the score between Illawarra and Manly.
Very costly exercise for the AFL, we will see if it works!
August 25th 2011 @ 8:15am
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 8:15am | Report comment
I’m not sure if you can compare the current position of the AFL to the super league war, when it’s the AFL controlling its own destiny, charting its own way forward, implementing plans if first drew up and considered 20 years ago.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:08pm
oikee said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
Really, did those plans include signing 2 league players. ?
And these so-called plans, did they include the Pacific, or is it only now that rugby league has spent the last 30 years growing our pacific cousins into our game that AFL having missed the boat, is now trying to play catch up.
To add to my point, the story about Tonga and AFL in the Pacific, ? I am sure you are lapping this up Cattery, like you lapp up most AFL stories, but the simple fact is that Rugby Union and Rugby League already have scouts in these islands, and to push home to you the extent of our Pacific push into the Islands since day dot, we have a womens world cup squad playing a game in Samoa this year, September i think it is, and the NRL already has Island nations set-ups here in Australia, why, because our polynesian game is that strong and connected that we have to do this with the influx of islanders into our game.
Now, lets really look at your push into the Pacific, 2 league players peddling their trade, just to put it in perspective for you.
Mind you, i am not knocking AFL and their pacific push, it will be good for your game, but mate, you really have missed this boat, around the World the Islanders are larger in number than in their own countries.
The Polynesians in Australia are already into their first generation 18 year olds coming through mixed with indigernous and Polynesian backgrounds, i call them super beasts.
You can see them trickling through in the lower rugby league grades on any given Sunday.
Polynesian communities around the world include, NZ, Australia, Hawaii, California, Utah.
Speaking of New Zealand, this is where alot of Polynesians reside. Just the other day at a under 16′s rugby league school comp, a quote by a NRL scout said he has never seen the likes of players this big before, most NRL clubs had scouts already their to sign kids on the dotted line.
And it also asks you the Question, why has the AFL not taken the Polynesians in Melbourne if they were serious about the island players. ? Mate i watched a under 16′s Melbourne team the other day full of Victorian Poynesians kids, all man beasts.
Back to you.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:29pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
oikee
I congratulate you, but I’m not sure what any of what you said had to do with my last post.
All I was saying is that planning for a second Sydney team goes back 20 years, it’s been on the AFL’s agenda the whole time.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:26pm
ChrisC said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
It is exactly the same, taking the game to the world and John Ribots ‘vision’. All sounds very similar to me.
August 25th 2011 @ 8:12am
db swannie said | August 25th 2011 @ 8:12am | Report comment
After reading about some of the memberships on other sites ,then you get a clearer picture…
$50 a membership ,alot of them in Canb,alot of supporters from Melb clubs who bought one ,signing people up under $100 family memberships & counting them as singles.
How many of these are going to actually go to a game…
August 25th 2011 @ 8:17am
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 8:17am | Report comment
I’m not really sure what anyone would have expected at this point, over seven months before the GWS plays its first AFL game in a city where the game isn’t as strong as it is elsewhere.
August 25th 2011 @ 8:33am
Vic said | August 25th 2011 @ 8:33am | Report comment
You NRL followers are like the climate change deniers. There is a lot of people that love Australia’s game who live in Sydney, it is Australia still afterall.
If you think a town cannot start following a different code, just take a look at the great doco, ‘Broad Street Bullies’ on youtube. It is about the 1970s Philadelphia Flyers hockey team that was a new expansion team. Hockey until that team arrived was only a Canadian sport and played in a few northern US towns. Noone knew much about hockey in Philly. Anyhow, that team was successful and Philly is now a hockey town.
Towns can change, particularly if the product is superior. We have a better game. It is more exciting, quicker, and skillful. And most of all, we will back it no matter the cost. We are HERE TO STAY!
August 25th 2011 @ 8:52am
PG said | August 25th 2011 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Er I think you’ll find Philly is a NFL town — ever heard of the Eagles — the eagles fans are one of the most fanatic in America. Secondly Melbourne football is not our National game Cricket is
August 25th 2011 @ 9:21am
Simmo said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:21am | Report comment
NRL troll is obvious
August 25th 2011 @ 9:25am
Boz said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Vic, “Australia’s game” – Really? That sort of talk isn’t going to win you many friends where it counts.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:57am
zach said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Invented by Australians, the number one code in four of the six states, with a big and longstanding presence in the other two- I think that qualifies as “Australian”, on any criteria.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:09pm
Simmo said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
keep it in church bro
August 25th 2011 @ 12:52pm
mick h said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
and 56% of the population live in nsw qld where afl is small.
August 25th 2011 @ 1:17pm
Vic said | August 25th 2011 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
The game invented in Melbourne is Australia, not England. And it was part of the New South Wales colony way back then if that makes you feel better.
Just because Sydney did not invent it, does not make it any less worthy to be played there.
In 50 years from now the Giants will have around 50,000 season ticket holders. And look, I am sure NRL teams will also have large followings too. I know plenty of people in Melbourne who attend both Storm and their AFL games. A lot of corporate packages complement both sports.
Another thing is the AFL influence on the Storm is obvious, they get the best training facilities in NRL, plus the best sport’s science. They are a pro sports franchise down to AFL showing them the way. Not this poker machine front business you get in Sydney. It is good for Sydney having a strong AFL there.
August 25th 2011 @ 1:36pm
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Im not sure the Storm example is a good one… I believe they are owned by news limited… and they pump money into it to keep them afloat… maybe rabbitohs is a better example I believe and dont quote me that they are trying to increase there membership and have referred to collingwoods model…
August 25th 2011 @ 9:26am
Walt said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Interesting you mention the Flyers – it looks like Izzy Folau is wearing their jumper…
August 25th 2011 @ 9:42am
JVGO said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Well spotted Walt. He is the ultimate code jumper however, anything is possible, just for the challenge.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:01am
Jay said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Vic – and what is the NHL’s track record on expansion?
August 25th 2011 @ 10:06am
Vic said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Well, they had 6 sides back in 1967. And now they 30 teams as of the year 2011. So an extra 24 clubs.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:25am
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Your post shows the danger in looking purely at numbers without understading the context.
Only the Dallas Stars of the Sunbelt teas could be considered a success. The Phoenix Coyotes (nee WPG Jets) are on life support in Glendale, AZ and the 2 x Florida Hockey teams will shortly be lining up to follow the ATL Thrashers( recently moved back to Manitoba to become the new Winnipeg Jets) back up to colder climates(Like Quebec city and maybe Seattle) where Hockey doesn’t come after NFL, MLB, NBA, NCAAFB, NCAAB, daylight, NASCAR and Soccer(if at all) in the sports pecking order. the Sunbelt teams (ie the quixotic chase for a bigtime US TV contract) will ultimately define Gary Bettman’s tenure as NHL commish as a failure IMO. For a small sport like Hockey, 30 teams is too much. there just isn’t the talent to fill 30 rosters and most hockey fans would be struggling to name their teams first shift, let alone their second line players. The dilution of talent has led to an increase in clutch and grab hockey, slowing down the game, increasing penalty minutes and reducing scoring. Hockey is a great sport, but she aint what she used to be. Expansion is done differently in the US of course. Multi-millionaire owners bid for an expansion franchise andthe fees paid are divied up between the current teams, so its no wonder the NHL has recklessly expanded from the Original 6 (which like the first 4 seasons of the HAL was getting a tad boring and expansion WAS needed) to the bloated 30 teams of today.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:09pm
Simmo said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
The NHL Sunbelt teams are the ultimate round pegs in square holes for US professional sports.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:25pm
oikee said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
Seems like Philly had nothing better to do, unlike Sydney which is our largest city, a rugby league giant and is making plans to shake off a ant on its foot.
Aussie rules is a Victorian game, you aussie rules guys trying to tell us otherwise are wasting time and effort, like signing league players. How is that going, you should have learnt from union, nothing will stop the hulk.
Maybe it is time to get with the international program, not the Victorian “i will tell you what to like” program.
The codes have settled in nicely around Australia, league still has a bit to go, but apart from that we have mainly reached satuation point.
People want more not less, so only following afl is like a backward step to most outside Victoria.
You should be setting up shop in England, once you have the poms to beat we might get interested.
You only have to look at Brisbanes attitude to different codes, we get to see big union games, soccer internationals, origins, and cricket against the poms.
Plus we support these games in big numbers, its all good fun without the buff remarks you hear from down south. You guys really need to learn to chill, your like a bunch of tense puppies.
Hey, did i tell you guys, 3×50 thousand crowds for the Bronx last 3 games, plus a Bledisloe final at Suncorp and a International Soccer match, see what happens when we all get along.
August 25th 2011 @ 1:40pm
Vic said | August 25th 2011 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
“You should be setting up shop in England, once you have the poms to beat we might get interested.”
Good to see the old cultural cringe going strong in harbour town. That is why you lot never became the nation’s capital and will never be it’s cultural capital because you only follow what the trend’s are and not make them.
In 20 years from now, Melbourne will be the biggest city in Australia. Also Perth will overtake Brisbane as the 3rd city. So AFL towns will be the #1 and #3 tv markets in Oz then.
August 25th 2011 @ 2:16pm
Jiggles said | August 25th 2011 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
” Also Perth will overtake Brisbane as the 3rd city”
The ABS doesn’t think so, but what would they know anyway…
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3222.0
August 25th 2011 @ 3:52pm
Ken said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
First Vic, oikee is in Brisbane – it’s not exactly a harbour town.
Secondly, the brief blip where Melbourne was bigger than Sydney was just that – a blip caused by an extraordinary event that disappeared as quickly as it came – yes it happened to come just before Federation which meant that Canberra had to be created to solve the dispute. Sydney has been the biggest city for ~200 of the 223 years since settlement and basically the entire time since federation.
Thirdly, the ABS has 3 different projections of the next 20 years (Series A/B/C) – only in 1 of those does Melbourne catch up to Sydney (Series B). In none of them does Perth overtake Brisbane (Brisbane is twice the size of Perth and will continue to be according to those projections).
Of course, that all has very little to do with the topic at hand as far as I see it – which basically is that you can’t comprehend that your sport is foreign to half the country regardless of how much you parade it as ‘the Australian game’ etc, etc.
August 25th 2011 @ 1:29pm
Vic said | August 25th 2011 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
LA has two hockey teams now and that was pretty warm, even at Xmas time when I was last there. They seem to both sell loads of tickets and have pretty keen fans.
Disagree about the talent over 30 teams to a point. Remember hockey is massive in the northern European nations, as big if not as big as soccer so there is loads of players out there.
Probably the point is, there is a place for all games, they do not need to completely overtake a town. People who follow the Flyers also love the Eagles and Sixers. The hockey and hoops team shared the Spectrum for years.
August 25th 2011 @ 1:45pm
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
I hope you’re not calling the naheim Ducks the 2nd LA team? Anahein is about as much a part of LA as Newcastle is a part of Sydney. Youre half way to the Wales Vagina by the time you hit Anaheim:)
The Kings were on a touch and go basis until they signed the Great One from Edmontonin 88 giving LALa Land a Stanley Cup competitive team overnight. That I think gave the NHL hope that hockey could be played in warmer climates. Anaheim have and continue to be thought of as a gimmick team. But even someone who has never been there would realise that La is a totally different proposition to Phoenix(who struggle to draw anything remotely resembling a crowd), Nashville and Miami(a long time graveyard for professional sports teams – even the once mighty Dolphins are struggling to sell tickets these days. As any Canadian will tell you 15,000 passionate hockey fans packed into Winnipeg’s MTS centre is a whole lot better than 13,000 spead around a generic Mall Arena counting down the time until they can duck out to the concesions to get another Hotdog, or asking night after night justwhat he heck Icing is. The success of the new Jets(already sold out their Sason Tickets after a barren Jets-less 15years) I predict will spur either the Coyotes, the Panthers or the Preds to make haste to Quebec City to be reborn as les nouveaux Nordiques as soon as they can escape from their lease. NHL no has some revenue sharing, a soft salary cap and the Canadian Dollar is better than it was when both the Jets and the Nords moved south. All that’s needed is for the mighty Whalers to be reborn and the NHL wil be back to its zeitgeist glory days(you know when Kevin Smith thought enough of Hockey to put references into his hipster movies) I wonder when MLS will make a similar jump?
August 25th 2011 @ 11:07pm
Vic said | August 25th 2011 @ 11:07pm | Report comment
Anaheim is only about 30 minutes drive out of LA central. But of course in Sydney’s wonderful road network distances do seem much greater because you are constantly at a crawl.
On the Jets, it is a great move to move them from Atlanta. A lot of the problems in US sport is related to the GFC, the money has dried up and Canada being similar in ways to Oz is a better proposition. Problem with the Jets is, it costs heaps for season tickets. A couple of 1000 a season. What happens after year 5, when the gimmick has dried up and they are just an average club. Will they still pack them in? They have been here before.
In anycase, my original point is. If you can get people in a non ice hockey town to follow a foreigners game then AFL has nowhere near that hurdle to face in Sydney or Qld. It is another field sport, simpler and more fun to play than the two rugby codes so over time, it will become as much a part of the fabric of west Sydney as falafels have become.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:53am
Ben of Sydney said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Carolina average 6,000 households per game in hometown TV ratings.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:28am
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:28am | Report comment
So the AFL managed to sign up 10 000 people paying 50 bucks for essentially nothing that is a pretty good effort really wouldnt you say…
Memebership is at the heart of all AFL clubs and to be successful they need members, the true test will come next year to see if they can keep these members and get them to upgrade to full members.
The NRL currently realises that they need more members to make there teams stronger financially or to make them even more finacially strong if they are already.
Most NRL teams offer the 50 dollar support membership also so no diff there the problem is for whatever reason there fans dont sign up I know there are lots of arguments for this; they buy mechandise, they prefer to watch it on tv and subscribe to foxtel etc.
But they are addressing the matter and are trying to build membership.
So I think to get 10000 members is a good achievement but time well tell if they can maintain this.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:36am
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:36am | Report comment
I take it the 10k mark includes your standard % of AFL-rubbery-figures, much like the “oh, you were at your school when we conducted an AFL-Auskick clinic – congrats you’re now a ‘registered’ player of Aussie Rules in Western Sydney” I mean its not like the AFL have ABS standards of accountability in their number reporting do they?
August 25th 2011 @ 9:39am
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:39am | Report comment
You are making a false accusation there.
The AFL’s standards of accountability are as good as anyone else’s if not better – at least it and the clubs make audited financial statements publicly availabe each year – what could be better than that??
The GWS figure hasn’t arrived all of a sudden, it’s been building slowly for about 9 months and represents people who have registered names and addresses and paid with $50 for an individual or $100 for a family.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:48am
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:48am | Report comment
There is a marked difference between financial accountability/reportiability and massaging the figures of your junior ‘playing’ ranks to push the perception that you’re bigger than you really are. The former the AFL cannot be questioned on, the latter is an AFL-spin-machine-specialty though.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:56am
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:56am | Report comment
All the numbers make it into the annual report and all the numbers are audited by a chartered accounting firm – there is no difference.
The point is that the AFL and clubs make alls these numbers publicly available, which is more than what other sports do.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:59am
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Agreed,
the whole Auskick thing in Sydney is interesting and that may be AFL spin I dont know.
However neither code is perfect dont forget, I believe there has been some problems with accurate crowd numbers at certain NRL games.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:50am
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:50am | Report comment
There is a very big difference between particpants and registered auskickers.
Particpants are counted as kids who are visited at schools by development officers (which every code does) and put through their paces for a couple of sessions etc.
Auskickers, on the other hand are kids who must register to play Australian football, in the southern states auskick is usually through their local club, and they play on sat or sun morning.
In the northern states auskick is through the local club, and sometimes through the NSW or QLD AFL development officers who may hold the sessions after school, at the school, or somehwere else, there is a usually a cost to join auskick, there is no cost to see a development officer during a schoo; visit.
In the northern states these sessions which include development and a modified game are run usually the length of a school term.
Very, very big difference between participants and registered auskickers, but the usual suspects who post on these forums, probably have no idea of the difference and ignorantly confuse the two.
When you read the end of year reports, auskickers as a stat, are in completely different section compared with particpants.
This year there were around 160,000 auskickers registered across the country, our club had around 400 (5,6,7 year olds), in other states such as NSW,QLD, the age range may be slightly higher, as auskick is used as a introductory vehicle to the game, for kids unfamiliar to the rules etc.
Plenty of hysteria and mistruths about auskick and the numbers *from usual suspects) , but a school visit by a development officer and a free footy or water bottle, does not mean a kid is included in auskick stats, that kid will be included in particpant stats …… as every sporting group would do.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:42am
me, I like football said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:42am | Report comment
“oh, you were at your school when we conducted an AFL-Auskick clinic – congrats you’re now a ‘registered’ player of Aussie Rules in Western Sydney”
Another Aussie Rules myth brought to you by the Sydney media that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker. You probably believe that Aussie Rules isn’t Australian either
August 25th 2011 @ 10:01am
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:01am | Report comment
M,ILF, My best mate’s son was counted as an AFL player in Carlingford, despite him having cerebal palsy and remaining in the classroom the day the GWS roadshow rolled into town. It seems they just grabbed the total ‘ students in class’ number and added it to their ‘registered players’ total. The kid did bring home a shiny new AFL/GWS waterbottle though. I think you’ve been living in the Melbourne AFL bubble too long and believe hook, line sinker & copy of angling times every thing the AFL tell you that the big bad Sydney media is out to keep your code down. You lot sound like a paranoid football fan when you peddle that line. The AFL gets more than a fair shake in the Sydney Media, paid for of course with the AFLs deep pockets throw money at everything problem solving mantra.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:24am
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:24am | Report comment
What do you mean he was counted? In what? Where?
You only get counted in the Auskick program if you have registered and paid your money – get it?
School programs do not get counted in official numbers.
Now somewhere else, the AFL Sydney people might say: we have visited 50 schools and reached 2,000 students, or something similar – but that is a completely different statistic to official registrations – got it?
August 25th 2011 @ 10:53am
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Just posted the same thing, the hysteria and mistruths is astounding.
August 25th 2011 @ 11:02am
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Cairns School Auskick Centers:
TAS White Rock $60- Begins Monday 9 May for 7 Weeks- 3:15pm- 4:00pm
Holy Cross $60- Begins Monday May 9 for 7 weeks- 3:00pm- 4:00pm
Trinity Beach SS $60- Begins Tuesday May 10 for 7 weeks- 3:00pm-4:00pm
Peace Lutheran $60- Begins Tuesday May 10 for 7 weeks- 3:00pm-4:00pm
OLHOC $60- Begins Wednesday May 11 for 7 weeks- 3:00pm-4:00pm
Freshwater SS $60- Begins Wednesday May 11 for 7 weeks- 3:00pm-4:00pm
Edge Hill SS $60- Begins Thursday May 12 for 7 weeks- 3:00pm-4:00pm
Hambledon SS $60- Begins Thursday May 12 for 7 weeks 3:00pm- 4:00pm
All of the above are conducted on school grounds. Late participants are still welcomed hoever, costs will still remain the same as these charges cover the costs of the AFL Auskick Backpacks.
If you have already registered in an AFL Auskick program this year, you are registered for the remainder of the 2011 season. That means you are able to come along to another center throughout the year and join in the drills and skills activities. However, you will not recieve another Auskick Backpack unless you purchase the program again.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-3392-0-0-0&sID=207525
These schools would have probably been visited by AFLQLD deveopment officers ( as every code would do) and the kids been included in particpant stats ……… not auskick, ….. kids who then sign on after school, would be then registered auskickers .
Hope that clears up all the ignorance for today !!!!!
August 25th 2011 @ 5:55pm
Dingo said | August 25th 2011 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
stabpass, nice try, but in reality facts don’t mean diddly to the rl crowd.
Maybe this will help to explain things:
Q. Whats the difference between a computer and a rugby league player / follower?
A. You only need to punch the information into a computer once.
You know it makes sense.
August 25th 2011 @ 6:08pm
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 6:08pm | Report comment
How about a link to this, it is last years, but it shows that auskick is played out of school hours and across at least 38 centres in Western Sydney, does not include club auskick, that would in the main be played by different kids on the weekend.
You need to REGISTER and PAY for auskick.
There is no doubt in my mind that kids participating in after school auskick would also probably play different sports on the weekend.
http://www.aflnswact.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Schools/After-school_programs.xls
Big, big , big difference between auskick, which you need to be registered for, and participation stats that usually just include development officers visiting schools.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:59pm
Jaceman said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Other standards of accountability
Warriors members are counted in crowd figures even when they dont turn up to games.
Titans home crowd numbers are laughed at by NRL people.
When the raiders are struggling, their crowd numbers have a multiple of 2.
Manly allow kids in for free to games (the Swans did the same last week (accompanied by an Adult).
And who could forget the NRL crowd number fiction during the Super league war..s
August 25th 2011 @ 3:36pm
deucer said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Jaceman you would think the Titans when inflating their figures would’ve at least tried to make them above the Suns. The Warriors crowd figures are rubbery indeed.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:36am
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:36am | Report comment
I agree Dan.
If 10,000 are willing to pay $50 for nothing, it follows that 15,000 might be willing to pay around $150 for something.
It’s a reasonable start.
It would immediately put them ahead of the Storm in Melbourne and SFC in the A-League, and around a similar level to the Rebels – why would anyone conclude that that’s not a good effort?
August 25th 2011 @ 9:41am
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Exactly,
whether everyone likes AFL or not you have to acknowledge they know how to sell and market a product.
August 25th 2011 @ 9:50am
JVGO said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:50am | Report comment
It’s certainly a good effort, but effort is probably the word. I’d imagine these people are not throwing themselves at the AFL but are being very actively pursued. AFL have the money and the marketing machine to do it. If my NRL club ever got hold of me I’d fork money over on the spot, probably lots of it for pretty much nothing, but I never seem to get around to it on my own. Funny that. I guess this is why memberships are so lucrative because once they have you it’s very hard for you to get away.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:12pm
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Its harder for you to write that post than to go to your teams website click on membership and put in your debit/credit details. I did it for the GWS Giants no bending of my arm… I know AFL is members based and requires numbers to survive minimum 30 000 for a team to start being financially stable. So I supported the team and AFL by doing so. Its actually not even my team… I just believe in the idea, plus if fixtures go well I shall see my belovered dockers play twice next season in Sydney instead of just once
August 25th 2011 @ 3:40pm
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
Don’t get your hopes up, one of the Dockers games may be in Canberra game ( thinking about it).
3 hr drive, ……. 2 1/2 from Liverpool ?.
August 25th 2011 @ 3:51pm
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
Thats fine, Im from Country WA originally, 3hrs is pretty easy for me, Id do it for sure, plus if luck would have it, it would be a raiders home game and id get a double header full weekend of live sport in canberra…
August 25th 2011 @ 5:07pm
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
OK, my advice would be take a coat or 2, when the winds fly down to Canberra from the snowy’s, you would not believe the difference in temps between Canberra and Sydney
August 25th 2011 @ 12:56pm
mick h said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
the storm had over 11,000 members this year
August 25th 2011 @ 9:34am
M1tch said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:34am | Report comment
I thought it was a big milestone to sign up 10k members
August 25th 2011 @ 9:48am
Mickle said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Slow news day eh???
August 25th 2011 @ 9:52am
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Mickle, it will be until the Brett Emerton from Blackburn Rovers to Sydney FC transfer is confirmed. The first player to come directly from the EPL to the A-League is a ringing endorsement on the quality of the local product.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:04am
zach said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Really? It probably only means that two players who have reached their use by dates have decided to top up their retirement fund from the coffers of the A League, which is basically broke as it is. Not much will be left for any other quality players, let alone expansion. They are making the same mistake Sheedy made at Essendon when he recruited a bunch of old crocks in a last ditch bid to win a premiership. It failed and set Essendon back a decade.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:22pm
Simmo said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Emerton ain’t at his used by date as a Permiership footballer – he started on the weekend.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:26am
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Why aren’t you there waxing lyrically, rather than expressing false concern for made up numbers?
August 25th 2011 @ 10:37am
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:37am | Report comment
I will be once its confirmed. Transfers are still just rumours until either the player or the club(ideally both) confirm the end state) I’m here because someone has to provide a dissenting voice.
August 25th 2011 @ 11:44am
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 11:44am | Report comment
Your ‘dissent’ has been proven to be a complete furphy, … as usual.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:26pm
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Not knowing 100% of the facts hasn’t stopped Roarers in the past writing Doom and Gloom artricles about football. With the signing of H and a direct transfer of a current Socceroo from the EPL to the HAL, its a terrific shot in the arm for the local game, I expect this year will be huge for football which is very impotrant in the lead up to renegotiating the TV rights deal. Wonder how many people here will be as bullish about football as they are about this minor piece of news regardnig 10k ‘fans’ putting forwrd $50 to demonatrate support, which as demonstrated here are not even all from GWS turf which doesn’t bode well for Season Ticket(‘real memberships) purchasing. Johnny Missionary “I Love the AFL so I’ll buy a membership even though I’m from South Yarra and support the Dees” won’t be shelling out $250 for a GWS ST will he?
August 25th 2011 @ 12:30pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
What has Harry and Emo got to do with GWS signing 10,000 members??
If SFC can sign 10,000 members, good luck to them! That’s great!!
August 25th 2011 @ 12:36pm
Kasey said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Sydney FC don’t sell $50 gimmick memberships, only true Season Ticketed Memberships. Apples and Oranges.
August 25th 2011 @ 12:44pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Yes, it certainly is apples and oranges because GWS aren’t even in the AFL yet!
But as I said, the stuff you’re posting has nothing to do with GWS reaching 10,000 memberships.
August 25th 2011 @ 2:30pm
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
@Kasey, was that post your attempt at admitting you were wrong !!, it’s pretty clear what is a auskicker and what is a participant.
People have spelled it out in black and white, but i can guarantee, that you and several others, will be back in the queue for another sling at the AFL ASAP.
August 25th 2011 @ 3:13pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
stabpass
This is part of a very long list of ignorant comments we can look forward to on a daily basis on the Roar:
1. The AFL recreational drugs policy exists in place of the WADA prescribed one
2. The AFL counts pet memberships in its numbers
3. The AFL counts school programs as part of its Auskick registrations
4. The AFL will struggle to top $800 million in TV revenue in its next deal.
5. The AFL bribes local councils, and is out to get us.
6. The AFL and clubs don’t earn a billion dollars per annum, they’ve made it up, they don’t publish audited figures, they’re just a bunch of lying crooks.
7. The AFL bribes the media, and is out to get us.
8. Andrew Demetriou has been known to walk around soccer pitches crushing glass and spreading it around.
9. Angry Anderson cuts down rugby posts.
10. They’re a bunch of lying crooks and they’re out to get us.
11. The AFL is responsible for the diminution in our world standing as a sporting power: they lost us the Ashes, it’s why we haven’ won a Davis cup in yonks, and why it’s been ages since we’ve won a hookey title.
August 25th 2011 @ 3:16pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
oh, and I forgot to mention the GFC…the greatest team of all…
August 25th 2011 @ 3:31pm
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
Iv heard some interesting views also
1. AFL is government funded and thats why it is so successful. Without that it would fail
2. Port Adelaide doesnt have any fans
3. All the teams are drowning in debt
4. No NRL teams are struggling
3. and my favourite Eagles were introduced to soon to the competion and arent financially succesful
August 25th 2011 @ 3:37pm
stabpass said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
@Dan, i have heard that Nic Nat is the new messiah, …… pretty sure that is wrong !!.
It would have to be a Dockers player, HMMMMM, just can’t think of one offhand.
August 25th 2011 @ 3:38pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Thanks Dan – I shall keep these for future reference!
I encourage all footy fans to put up your favourite falsities and half-truths!
Afterall, it’s us that are narrow minded, paranoid, and with little knowledge of the Australian sporting landscape!!
August 25th 2011 @ 3:42pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
Dan
that first one about the AFL living off government funding is trotted out repeatedly on this site.
Interestingly, only yesterday, someone put up a thread complaining about the AFL bribing local councils!!
Talk about having a bob each way!!
August 25th 2011 @ 3:47pm
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
PURPLE JESUS! haha aka the wizard, loved watching him play never knew what would happen
August 25th 2011 @ 6:04pm
Dingo said | August 25th 2011 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
@ Cattery, don’t forget that we are all brainwashed, thats why we like the game.
August 25th 2011 @ 6:23pm
The Cattery said | August 25th 2011 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
Dingo
thanks for reminding me – the brainwashing has succeeded so well, I can’t remember anything
August 26th 2011 @ 6:02pm
Kasey said | August 26th 2011 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
I was wrong to not know the difference between an Auskicker and a participant, not a mistake I will make in the future – but one entirely in keeping with me being childless(that Iknow of). Makes me yearn for the day when football can subsidise junior soccer clubs so that they don’t have to pay towards $250 odd dollars just to play. With fees like that, you’ve got to be impressed that its still the number one participation sport for kids eh:) Imagine the numbers when the FFA finally gets their act together and can afford to bring subsidise JSCs to bring it down into the Auskick range of 60-100 bucks. cheers
August 25th 2011 @ 10:42am
Mickle said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:42am | Report comment
I’m just a wee bit curious to find out if the reason behind Kewell’s lengthy signing process had anything to do with Emerton joining Sydney FC. Sort of a package deal maybe??? Looking out for the boys??? Would be worth looking into I reckon.
August 25th 2011 @ 10:18am
NF said | August 25th 2011 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Good on GWS HOWEVER half of those members were from Canberra as a result of incentives for the ACT-GWS deal that went ahead so for some foresaken reason GWS includes Canberra despite being two seperate areas now take out the Canberra numbers which is half or more than the Sydney numbers and you get the real West Sydney figures. Still a long way to go for GWS and it will never over-take RL despite the minority of AFL fans who believe that and the small amount of NRL fans biting the paranonia.
August 25th 2011 @ 11:17am
Dan said | August 25th 2011 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Yep just more clever marketing by AFL include Canberra, bigger fan base more members… AFL isnt trying to take over from NRL in sydney it never will they are just trying to carve out a piece of the pie. Sydney is the biggest tv market in Australia followed by melbourne and then brisbane, the AFL realise they need to tap into the first and third biggest markets. Thus there expansion aims to have two teams in both Sydney (swans, GWS) and Brisbane(GC, Lions) thereby having a game there each every week. Its all just about TV deals and the 18 team comp. show me the money…