AFL crowd drop being blown out of proportion
By Michael DiFabrizio, 30 Aug 2011 Michael DiFabrizio is a Roar Expert
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Melbourne's Clint Bartram tackles Gary Ablett of the Gold Coast Suns during the AFL Round 23 match between the Melbourne Demons and the Gold Coast Suns at the MCG, Melbourne. Slattery Images
In a season where a new team is introduced that plays out of a 25,000-seat venue, it should come as no surprise that crowd figures have fallen in 2011. After all, even if the Gold Coast Suns sold out every game that 25,000 is still below the average AFL crowd. But let’s not let plausible explanations get in the way of a good story.
Let’s start whipping out photos of two people sitting in an empty bay of the upper deck at the MCG (ignoring the fact it’s the upper deck of a 100,000-seat stadium).
Let’s ask the people of Melbourne why they aren’t going to the footy anymore (ignoring the fact both Melbourne venues have actually increased attendances this season).
Let’s have Rebecca Wilson write an article claiming these “dwindling crowds” are threatening “the game’s livelihood” (ignoring the fact we’ve just allowed a Rebecca Wilson article to see the light of day).
Honestly, it’s time for the nonsense to stop.
Yes, the average attendance for AFL games will be down this year. No, there’s no need to panic.
Last season’s average crowd was 36,908. This year’s is 34,950. That is a drop of around 2000, or 5.6 per cent.
Can I ask, what did the likes of The Age, 3AW and Wilson expect?
From the outset of Season 2011, it was obvious there would be a drop to the average crowd figure. That’s what expansion usually does, especially when it involves non-traditional markets.
The Suns playing out of a small venue creates 11 games where it would be impossible to meet the league average, and that’s if you overlook the fact they are playing out of a smaller market and should not be expected to draw that many anyway.
Throw in the fact their lack of history means less fans at away games too and it’s perfectly natural for crowd numbers to dip. The same thing will probably happen next year with the GWS Giants.
Now, does this account for the entire 5.6 per cent? Maybe, maybe not.
But it only takes a couple of one-off variables to make up the rest – like the Sydney Swans encountering “the wettest July in more than 60 years, two blockbuster washouts and a clash with the royal wedding”.
The line everyone’s trotting out is that the predictability of results this season and the number of blowouts are the driving force at play. They may’ve had an impact, but they aren’t the driving force. Only Port Adelaide and Gold Coast fans can cite the expectation of getting absolutely thrashed as a reason for not attending the football.
Do you honestly reckon fans of other clubs stayed away in their thousands expecting to avoid witnessing a 100-point blowout?
Crowds suffered a drop in 1986 and 1987 when West Coast and Brisbane joined the competition.
The same thing is happening now on the back of an even smaller market entering the competition.
There’s simply no reason to hit the panic button.
Michael DiFabrizio is completing his journalism degree. As an AFL writer, he has been an expert columnist at The Roar since 2009, and appeared in The Age and on ABC television and radio. Follow Michael on twitter @mdifabrizio
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August 30th 2011 @ 6:48am
Xman said | August 30th 2011 @ 6:48am | Report comment
If you take in to account there are now double the number of games being played in QLD, reaching a bigger Non heartland audience, the result is actually very good.
September 3rd 2011 @ 2:15am
Tony said | September 3rd 2011 @ 2:15am | Report comment
Gosh, only 85,705 at the MCG last night…….AFL must be in decline!
August 30th 2011 @ 7:35am
ChrisH said | August 30th 2011 @ 7:35am | Report comment
Assuming Gold Coasts average crowd is about 12k? and all the others are 36k, it explains the drop in full doesn’t it? ((16 x 36,000) + 12,000)) / 17 = 34,588
August 30th 2011 @ 7:56am
mds1970 said | August 30th 2011 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Melbourne clubs’ attendances have held up. The poor numbers in Adelaide and Brisbane aren’t surprising considering the local teams are struggling.
Sydney’s crowds are a problem; with only one Homebush game and one SCG game making 30,000 and failing to get to 20,000 for one game, the first time since 2002. They’ve had a bad run with rain at their games this year, but it’s still cause for concern.
GWS’s crowds will be lower than the AFL average. Skoda Stadium will hold about 26,000; so even a sellout won’t boost the league average. There’ll be a few big games at ANZ; and healthy crowds for the derbies against the Swans.
Overall, the drop of around 5.6% is a slight concern, but I doubt the AFL would be slashing their throats over it.
August 30th 2011 @ 10:42am
Matt F said | August 30th 2011 @ 10:42am | Report comment
People just don’t like ANZ Stadium. They never have and never will. The reason crowds used to be so high for Swans ANZ games was because it was a new novelty having AFL out there and, at the time it started, we were a top 4 team and premiership contender. The last 5 years we haven’t been a premiership contender, despite being consistent finalists, and the novelty of AFL at ANZ has worn off after 10 years. It’s now seen as just another game, but at a worse stadium then the SCG. The ANZ crowds will go up next year when GWS come in but you won’t see ANZ crowds reach their old heights unless either we or GWS are premiership contenders.
You’re spot on with the analysis. Victorian crowds are up so there’s no declining interest in the “heartland.” SA’s are down because their teams are crap. QLD’s are down because GC play at a stadium with a capacity les then the competition crowd average, and both their teams are crap. WA’s are solid and should grow next year with WC now a top 4 team and Freo, hopefully for their sake, getting a decent run with injuries which should see them as top 8 certainties. This is really a non-issue.
August 30th 2011 @ 8:18am
waterboy said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Me thinks a wet Sydney winter may impact detrimentally on NRL crowds much more than it does on AFL numbers
August 30th 2011 @ 1:27pm
voodoo people said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Very true… Penrith and Manly have had a couple of shocking crowds in cyclonic rain this year. Not surprising though, Sydney has these wet winters every 6-7 years or so.
August 31st 2011 @ 9:42pm
ItsCalledFootball said | August 31st 2011 @ 9:42pm | Report comment
And the A-League crowds up and down the east coast of Australia, with Suncorp flooded for the last part of the Roar’s season.
August 30th 2011 @ 8:30am
ChrisC said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:30am | Report comment
With the race to put flags on the map everyone always seems to forget the indirect affects of expansions clubs, the dreaded away games. The AFL has been very creative with their schedule this year trying to keep the Suns out of Melbourne however they won’t be able to hide it any longer with GWS coming in. It will get worse.
August 30th 2011 @ 8:37am
The Cattery said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Chris
It will get worse, but as others have intimated – we knew 2 or 3 years ago that it would get worse – there is no surprise about these average numbers, I had calculated at the start of the season that the average would drop by 2,000 per game with the introdcution of the Suns, and it will do the same next season.
That’s just the way it is, when you’re thinking about a 50 year time frame, these small drops in the averages are neither here or there.
Let us not forget that aggregate attendances will rise this year, and they will rise again next season.
August 30th 2011 @ 8:38am
Tom said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Afl is on the slide.
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August 30th 2011 @ 9:19am
slickwilly said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:19am | Report comment
your not a student of the andrew bolt school of ‘how to read statistics’ are you
August 30th 2011 @ 8:41am
Tom said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:41am | Report comment
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August 30th 2011 @ 8:47am
Redb said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:47am | Report comment
it goes without saying the intro of Gold Coast and more games in places like Darwin, Carins, Tassie the average will drop.
One of the problems this year with the big Vic clubs doing well is the MCG putting up the ‘sold out’ sign when thousands of seats are vacant in the members, MCC & AFL sections. Presold seats stop the general public from going to games. The MCG has a cap.
of course ANZAC Day with Collingwood as premier & Essendon on the rise would have been watched by 130,000 if the ground was big enough.
Ironicially the massive increase in membership means more seats are vacant as the members pick & choose the games to attend but of course their seat remains vacant.
I wonder if an analysis could be done of sold seats added to taken seats. With 650,000 members thats a lot of presold seats. If its wet and cold (big winter this year) I’m sure having been comforted by the fact that the member has financially supported the club they stay away.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:03am
mds1970 said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Of course no-shows shouldn’t be counted in attendance stats – the number we expect to see on the scoreboard midway through the last quarter is the number of people actually there.
But it would be interesting to get a breakdown, maybe on the club, league or venue website after a game, of how a game’s attendances are comprised; and where the ticketed absences are. It often looks like the MCC members has prominent areas which are sparsely attended during sold-ouot games; but it may be that the unreserved MCC members area sees patrons spaced out differently compared to the numbered seating bays of club members.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:11am
stabpass said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:11am | Report comment
This is a very good point, i tried to buy some tickets to Freo/Collingwood , for last friday night, not knowing the game had sold out at the begginning of the year.
For a sold out game, on a beautiful night, the game only attracted 31,000 fans, this meant that around 12,000 members did not bother, who can blame them …… people would say, Freo struggled to put a team on the paddock, Collingwoods to strong.
But the point is that many other people, would have wanted to see the game, if the club has a weak seat buyback from the members, to allow non-members to see the game, we are going to see plenty more of this, the clubs and AFL must act.
August 30th 2011 @ 10:56am
Nathan of Perth said | August 30th 2011 @ 10:56am | Report comment
If West Coast sold no memberships and all entry was GA only, we’d have full attendance each week. But because those memberships are now basically the prized family heirlooms of Perth, people will always renew, even when they have no hope of attending and just let people borrow if they can. That’s most of the reason for our numbers flux. It is a several year long process to get through that waiting list.
August 30th 2011 @ 12:37pm
Michael DiFabrizio said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
Nathan, do you know if there’s a US-style ticket re-sale program in place over there for members who won’t be attending a game?
August 30th 2011 @ 12:43pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
You can put your ticket up for resale to the In The Wings (waiting list) members to purchase but I don’t think its gotten much penetration yet, or its a pain to use, because only 800 or so tickets go up each week.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:13am
Seano said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Shouldnt crown numbers be measured on actual people who went to the game rather than averaages? ie last year (made up figues, perhaps Michael has the real ones) 1.1 million people went this year 1.2 million people went. Averages should be used revenue ect not bums on seats.
August 30th 2011 @ 12:35pm
Michael DiFabrizio said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Seano, the reason for using the average as a guide is that this year there were more games than last year, so it wouldn’t be an apples and apples comparison to use the total.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:16am
Tony said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Blowing numbers out of proportion is a cherished AFL tradition. Think of the Sydney Swans’ attendances in the early 90s. Only recently people were saying the AFL’s push north backed by numbers; how unlike Patrick Smith to regurgitate an AFL press release.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:20am
Redb said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:20am | Report comment
You might be confusing false crowd numbers with other codes.
August 30th 2011 @ 12:51pm
ChrisC said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Redb are you trying to suggest the AFL is the only code who isn’t creative with their figures? Don’t make me get my wide angle lense out!
August 30th 2011 @ 12:55pm
The Cattery said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
Chris
The AFL leaves the crowd numbers to the stadiums to put up, and they are all recorded by swiping at the turnstiles. The stadiums have no incentive to pump up the numbers because they have to hand more money across to the AFL.
As many have commented on in the past, home crowds often get fewer spectators than their total membership sales – so there’s little evidence of cooking the books as far as crowds go.
Even a figure of 40,000 (above the AFL average) can look sparse at the MCG, and ditto 25,000 at Etihad (especially when many are in the top tier, and the camera is picking up the Medallion Club seats in the middle tier).
August 30th 2011 @ 1:07pm
ChrisC said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
I’m actually not questioning the Melbourne crowds at all. But I do find a number of the crowds in QLD this year (both Lions and Suns) fanciful.
August 30th 2011 @ 1:14pm
The Cattery said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
The Lions reported 13k on the weekend at the Gabba.
August 30th 2011 @ 1:32pm
Redb said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
I can only speak for attendance at the MCG & Etihad – they tabulate & announce crowd numbers not the AFL or the clubs.
The AFL has no reason to falsify crowd numbers, could it have happened from to time possibly? in general there has never been a need.
August 30th 2011 @ 1:43pm
ChrisC said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
The AFL has 100 million reasons to falsify crowds in QLD.
August 30th 2011 @ 2:12pm
Redb said | August 30th 2011 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Proof?
Whilst your at it, perhaps a look at Titans crowd figures might settle your myopia.
August 30th 2011 @ 4:34pm
ChrisC said | August 30th 2011 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
Where did I say anything about the Titans. I’m sure they are up to it too. Easts and Penrith have been doing it for 20 years. Seems you can’t handle a dose of reality.
August 30th 2011 @ 4:49pm
stabpass said | August 30th 2011 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
H2H Round 15 Titans v Sharks & Round 14 Suns v Bulldogs
Skilled park: 12,997
Metricon: 16,149
H2H Round 20 Titans v Cowboys & Round 18 Suns v Magpies
Skilled Park: 15,741
Metricon: 23,302
H2H Round 24 Titans v Raiders & Round 22 Suns v Crows
Skilled Park: 10,230
Metricon: 16,168
Head to head 3 times, GC Suns FC ahead quite convincingly, may change next year, when the Titans are a better team , but then again the Suns will possibly be better, although maybe not as exciting.
This year IMO the Suns have played the most entertaining football i hve seen. (not often enough)
But IMO the GC remains RL territory, whilst the Titans are there.
August 30th 2011 @ 5:19pm
ChrisC said | August 30th 2011 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
And the relevance of this to our discussion? Totally off topic.
August 30th 2011 @ 11:23pm
Mickle said | August 30th 2011 @ 11:23pm | Report comment
LOL your retort is about as weak as a Brett Stewart haymaker…