Time for Roy Masters to let it go
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Everyone has had their say over the Manly-Melbourne brawl last Friday night, but among all the mayhem of the game was an act of respect and care for an opposition player that deserves applause.
Billy Slater is no favourite of mine but last Friday my respect for Slater grew immeasurably when he cradled the head of a seriously injured David Williams.
The Manly winger who was later diagnosed with a fracture to a neck vertabrae, after effecting a try-saving tackle on the Sea Eagles flyer.
If it had been an NFL game, the tacklers would probably have danced some complicated jig and high-fived each other, while their opponent was fitted for a neck brace.
So kudos to Billy Slater for his attention to the plight of an injured opponent, even in this most fierce of rivalries.
Which brings me to Roy Masters. In his Sydney Morning Herald column, Masters made mention of the Slater incident as part of a wider flaying of rugby league administration.
And hidden in the article was his usual potshot at the Manly Sea Eagles, where he wrote:
“… the Brookvale crowd on Friday night bayed for blood, believing that Melbourne’s 2007 premiership was won via the chequebook.”
He then added, “Brookvale, as any observer of Manly’s spending powers circa late 1970s knows, continues to be rugby league’s last bastion of old-fashioned hypocrisy.”
When will Masters put this 30-year-old grudge to bed? For the uninitiated, it was Masters who coined the term ‘Fibros vs Silvertails’ in the late 70s as a way of introducing a class war to rugby league.
He did it ostensibly to motivate his team Western Suburbs, especially in their clashes with Manly, who signed three Wests players in 1979; John Dorahy, Les Boyd and Ray Brown.
It was a thinly disguised motivational tactic in a game where blood, fists and brawls were a common part of the game in that era.
Backed by a robust Leagues club, Manly had money to spend and rugby league was on the verge of entering a world of full-time professionalism.
However, it was a game that never strayed far from its working class roots in any area, no matter what Masters tried to make people believe.
Players still supplemented their incomes; Manly’s Max Krilich was a plumber, Terry Randall was a concreter, Balmain’s Olsen Filipana worked on a council garbage truck, Wests captain Tom Raudonikus ran a fruit market.
Supporters came from working and middle class demographics, and even Masters couldn’t have been blind enough to know that there were areas where Manly drew their support which were every bit as ‘working class’ as his ‘Fibro Brigade’ who ate up his every ignorant word in their support of the Magpies.
What Masters conveniently forgot to mention was that Manly’s attempts to recruit the best players were based on a model similar to a club from the 60s who became obsessed on unseating St George at the top of the premiership.
That club was Western Suburbs.
Did his motivation work? Well, given that it still resonates three decades later, he was very successful at the hype.
As a coach, he never won a premiership with either Wests or St George, who he went on to coach later in his career (a cashed-up St George who were building the “Taj Mahal” of Leagues clubs in Kogarah. Roy’s working class values were conveniently forgotten, obviously)
And so to the present, where Masters has decided that Melbourne’s salary cap cheating was no different to Manly’s spending powers of the 1970s.
Of course, there is no comparison, and any reasonably informed fan of the game would know this.
Melbourne have got on with the job this season after their punishment of 2010, and, barring a miraculous set of results in round 26, will win the minor premiership. They have got over it after 12 months.
33 years down the track, Roy Masters shows no signs of getting over his own twisted viewpoints. Frankly, it’s getting very boring.
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August 30th 2011 @ 9:19am
Mals said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Apaway – well said!
Roy has had a chip on his shoulder regarding Manly for years & this is probably fuelled by his lack of a premiership at Wests & St George. No doubt he is bitter.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:19am
oikee said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Seems to me that he just does not like Manly, along with almost every other club and fans. You only have to read a every day blog to see this, and you have to think Manly have brought it upon themselves to keep the hate flowing.
Not long ago Manly came out and told everyone who cared to listen, everyone hates us and we dont care.? Well they should care, because if i am a sponser, Manly would be the last club i would sponser with so much hate happening, not a way to sell your product.
You also have to question the way Manly wont let go of this grudge they have involving Stewart.
Calling him snake is negative. They might think it possitive to his style, then again, what is his style now.
Not sure what name his brother might now endure, but i am sure it wont be possitive either.
As for Masters, i dont take much notice of his hatred towards Manly, it is all his other remarks about the game which makes me think he is rugby leagues version of the parrot jeff.k. down south.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:58am
Mals said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Don’t worry Oikee the majority of rugby league fans south of the border hate the Broncos & it hasn’t done them any harm. I am lead to believe through reading blogs that tons of league people that live in Brisbane also hate the maroon & yellow cream puffs & can’t wait to jump aboard Brisbane Bombers when they take off. It’s healthy rivalry & what makes rugby league great!
Oikee, if Manly leave the NRL you will have no more use for your Manly vodoo dolls, instead you will be crying into your weetbix every morning… not a good look mate.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:39am
Jimbo said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:39am | Report comment
The Fibro vs. Silvertails thing was great for the game. It just seems funny that Masters, having devised the whole concept, now seems to buy into it as a real phenomena, rather than a motivational tactic.
August 30th 2011 @ 9:58am
Redb said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Masters lost it years ago. His articles are poorly researched emotive tripe and he needs to get over his fear of the AFL.
August 30th 2011 @ 12:20pm
Crosscoder said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
RedB
I don’t see any fear of the AFL in this thread head story.Can’t help yourself,get over your Master’s obsession,it pops up in a fair swag of rl related threads.Ho Hum.
Masters has a dislike for Manly,losing top line players such as Boyd,Brown,,and a couple of others,in the past set the scene
The silvertails and fibros may well have been useful in the past to motivate a team.With the money many players get these day,it is more silvertail than fibro.
Masters should just let go the anti Manly agenda.
BTW Roy, fibro is out these days,something to do with a fatal disease.
August 30th 2011 @ 4:37pm
stabpass said | August 30th 2011 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
Next week, Masters will put one out attempting to sully the AFL, if not the week after, about one a week or F/N is his average.
August 30th 2011 @ 5:28pm
Crosscoder said | August 30th 2011 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
Telling it like it is,that’s the Master’s way.
He is keeping up with Caroline Wilson then.She will have a field day with the Manly v Storm fights.How many more hits can this game take.The Offsiders make it a prerequisite to knife the NRL weekly.
August 30th 2011 @ 6:37pm
stabpass said | August 30th 2011 @ 6:37pm | Report comment
I could be wrong, and no doubt you will tell me, but when was the last story about RL to come from a AFL journalist … out of Melbourne.
AFAIK, it has not been recent.
August 30th 2011 @ 8:36pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:36pm | Report comment
Didn’t the coach of collington do an article on RL and the Storm last week having a go at the NRL about its expansion policies stabpass?
You were saying?
August 30th 2011 @ 9:39pm
stabpass said | August 30th 2011 @ 9:39pm | Report comment
i cant find it, can you, bring it up and we can have a look.
August 30th 2011 @ 10:10pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 30th 2011 @ 10:10pm | Report comment
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/storm-succeeds-despite-little-assistance-from-nrl/story-e6frg7mf-1226118410557
Here you go stabpass
August 30th 2011 @ 11:20pm
Nuts said | August 30th 2011 @ 11:20pm | Report comment
Have you read it, so on one hand, Mick Malthouse praises the Strom, yet has a go at the NRL admin FOR NOT expanding.
On the other hand RL journos are having a go left, right and center
at the AFL FOR expanding.
What are you actually trying to prove here.!!
Just in case you missed it Holroyd council has put out a press release, thught you would be interested.
http://www.holroyd.nsw.gov.au/your_council/news_public_comment/news/holroyds_sporting_fields
“Holroyd has two grounds exclusively used by Rugby League, these being Mc Credie Park at Guildford and Ringrose Park at Wentworthville.”
August 31st 2011 @ 7:48am
Crosscoder said | August 31st 2011 @ 7:48am | Report comment
stabpass
Tune in regularly to the Offisiders and listen to a lass by the name of Caroline Wilson(at last reports an AFL writer).After listening to her spile,then listen to big Bazz Cassidy)(moderator) and his pearls of wisdom.
If ever a mob accentuated the negative about rl,this lot would take the prize.Oh and
where is the show based-Melbourne.
I will say Whately is balanced andIi have a lot of time for him,but the others must use the Roy modus operandi.
September 1st 2011 @ 4:20pm
stabpass said | September 1st 2011 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
@ClipperWithChipsOnBoth,
I totally agree with what nuts said, the article was not a put down of RL.
August 31st 2011 @ 8:35am
Redb said | August 31st 2011 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Heres a test for you Crosscoder.
Take the last 5-6 articles from both Wilson & Masters and see who mentions the ‘other’ code more often. Go back over 20 articles if you like.
Masters is by far the most biased code war protagonist.
Reminds of this, still relevant
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/12/sports-journalism-in-need-of-a-few-good-men/
August 31st 2011 @ 12:04pm
Crosscoder said | August 31st 2011 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
RedB
Bit hard to record all episodes of Offsiders and rehash them here in print.The Offsiders mentions rl every week,usley with the obligatory touch of negativity.A national program to boot.
Word of mouth at last reports can be just as effective as the might of the pen.or keyboard ,whatever rocks your boat.
A bit of a test for you,would be looking at the likes of not only that program but the rambling of Pat Smith on occasions.
Or even Rothfield in the D.T supposedly a rl journo,who has been giving AFL kudoes re crowds in both sydney and the GC.and at the same time,bagging the rl crowds.
Or the time the Storm was in the throes of the salary cap debacle,the famous comment by an AFL man let’s drown them whilst hey are down”.His name R Nixon.
See you one and raise you is my response.
September 1st 2011 @ 2:24pm
Jaceman said | September 1st 2011 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Actually I think Wilson has eased off on the NRL compared to what she used to be over the top – it may be coincidental but so has her employer and maybe after she joined Nine on the Monday night show. Gerard Whately toned down the anti-NRL rhetoric after he joined Fox as a presenter in mid last year soon after the Storm salary cap saga. BTW what happened to Masters (keen to follow non Storm clubs salary issues) investigation of the Rabbits Burgess signing where he found a discrepancy between visa application and Rabbits salary (lower)
August 30th 2011 @ 8:34pm
ClipperWithChipsOnBoth said | August 30th 2011 @ 8:34pm | Report comment
As usual you bring up AFL RedB, why?
August 31st 2011 @ 8:31am
Redb said | August 31st 2011 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Suggest you read Roy Masters article on the subject, he cant help himself. Fact.
August 31st 2011 @ 12:10pm
Crosscoder said | August 31st 2011 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
RedB
He seems to get you down a lot .I would press the ignore button, shut your eyes,or relax have a stiff drink and think of the Sherrin.
He is not the only journo with a sporting preference to have a shot at another code,and dare I say it will not be the last.
But I make this one proviso,if he gets you lot down so much, FHS do not use him as a reference piont when the occasion arises.It appears farcical.
August 31st 2011 @ 3:28pm
oikee said | August 31st 2011 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Crosscoder, if they use rugby league negitively, your post above, then they know who the competition is, this must be a good sign, i never thought they cared.
Like the Dragons said to the Roosters last year, we’re commun to get ya.
Gallop has already showed his hand, nothing short of total domination will suffice, his words today, and he is going to use the NFL model, with a 126 million dollar salary cap per club as a blue print.
September 1st 2011 @ 4:04pm
Crosscoder said | September 1st 2011 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
Jaceman.
The fact Whately had to correct her on one at least occasion ,with an ignorant comment may have tempered her views.But old habits die hard,she is waiting for the right moment,years of habits are hard to break.Cassidy on the other hand,has that look of glee on his face,when something goes amiss in the NRL.Is that a Collingwood thing?
I really am not interested in what Master’s investigations may have found.
Anycase the Burgess incident was investigated by Schubert ,as was the Inglis situation with Souths and attended to.
He(Masters) spends as much time knocking the NRL adminn, some clubs(usually those Sl affiliated ones,Manly his pet hate as much as he does the AFL.
Some times he is spot on.,sometime he is off target.It is called human nature.
September 1st 2011 @ 5:43pm
Jaceman said | September 1st 2011 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
I will watch Haynes efforts with the whistle in the Souths game this Friday night. with interest..
August 31st 2011 @ 12:38pm
Jaceman said | August 31st 2011 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
For CC
Rothfield from both angles and still showing zero analytical skills…
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/the-afls-giant-sized-headache/story-e6freye0-1226105175831
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/why-titans-are-getting-sunburnt-on-the-gold-coast/story-e6freyar-1226082349293
although the second one is more a plea for the NRL to help the Titans (look at this years draw and they already have without helping them much)!!
August 31st 2011 @ 12:54pm
Crosscoder said | August 31st 2011 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Jaceman.
Read all his articles over the years as well as ‘Rebecca Wilson’s ,and you may get the lie of the land.Ready to pat the code on the back when it warrants and stick the knife in when it is warranted and even when it is not.
The point is he was hardly criticising the AFL as a D.T rl journo,which you guys consistently pubicly shame them for.He was holding the code up as an example.One of many fluff pieces that appear in both the D.T and the SMH for the AFL,whether paid or not.
Listen to the Offsiders over a period of time,and then formulate an opinion.Bias sticks out like a bikini in george Street.Masters is like a voice in the wilderness.And I am not a great fan of Roy,he detests Cronulla with avengeance.Ever since they went to SL.
I find the argument completely hollow when Masters(who I believe lives in the past and is yesterday’s man) is designated to be the only media man inflicting critical comments on other codes,when he is plainly not.
August 31st 2011 @ 2:31pm
Jaceman said | August 31st 2011 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
My point was that Rothfield has written from both angles – nothing controversial about that. Masters on the other hand writes half truths for a NSW audience and the SMH allow this…
September 1st 2011 @ 7:23am
Crosscoder said | September 1st 2011 @ 7:23am | Report comment
jaceman.
I suggest you read a lot more of Rothfield’s articles,becuase that view is not sharedf by many in the rl community for someone supposedly a rl journo.
Ask the Sharks player ,after a few too many walking up the Cronulla Mal,achieved front page on the D.T. as if he was someone out of Underbelly..
Masters writes in his neanderthal style.Many consider his views on most occasions to be close to the mark.Conversely the recipients of his cynicism ,tend to believe he is wrong all the time,yet quote him when the occasion suits.I am bemused to put it nicely.Cake and eat it them is alive and well.
I am not a fan of Masters,Ii just find hypocrisy flourishing.
And it appears the producers (Melbourne domiciled)of the Offsiders(AFL dominated) allow the half truths and plain ignorance against rl,to continue.
August 31st 2011 @ 3:31pm
oikee said | August 31st 2011 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
I only read his article once, the buzz, to know he is a bonehead, and a shark supporter.
Say no more.
September 1st 2011 @ 2:28pm
Jaceman said | September 1st 2011 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
OK
name a half truth on Offsiders about NRL though they allow masters to comment on Union which he knows nothing about…
September 1st 2011 @ 4:15pm
Crosscoder said | September 1st 2011 @ 4:15pm | Report comment
Jaceman
Seymour incident,when drunk in Cronulla Mall,she made it out to be something it wasn’t and was corrected.
She made a point about crowds falling in the NRL in one segment,and was told crowds ATT were actually up.
The emphasis on offield NRL incidents are given more airtime,similar incidents are dismissed with a few words on AFL.Then her famous words’how many hits can this game take”.
Both she and Masters get skewered at times,with silly comments.
Please don’t be an apologist for Wilson,she does little researchon rl,and relies on hearsay and the media.
Then she made the comment about rl,stating she is not interested in the code,and little more so in SOO.Yet she is prepared to make assertions.
September 1st 2011 @ 5:45pm
Jaceman said | September 1st 2011 @ 5:45pm | Report comment
Rothfield was also known in his younger days for annually writing, without shame, the same article that David campese was going to RL
August 30th 2011 @ 10:03am
turbodewd said | August 30th 2011 @ 10:03am | Report comment
“If it had been an NFL game, the tacklers would probably have danced some complicated jig and high-fived each other, while their opponent was fitted for a neck brace.”
Ive been watching NFL for years. This is one of the stupidest comments Ive ever read.
August 30th 2011 @ 10:16am
Nathan of Perth said | August 30th 2011 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Absolutely agree. What tripe!
August 30th 2011 @ 1:52pm
Football Fan said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
NFL players celebrate the hit but if they know immediately (like Slater) that there’s something bad going down they tend to take a knee, and most usually group together to pray for the injured player. So yes, it’s an incredibly ignorant comment. NFL players are more respectful of each other than a lot of people would know.
August 30th 2011 @ 1:55pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
They definitely have their own honour code which people don’t always notice, but its there and its strong.
August 30th 2011 @ 1:16pm
apaway said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
I’ve been watching it for years too, and have seen it happen.
August 30th 2011 @ 2:34pm
soapit said | August 30th 2011 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
to be fair its probably also happened in league once or twice. can’t really judge the character of a whole sport by one or two instances (good or bad)
August 31st 2011 @ 9:43am
Boydy said | August 31st 2011 @ 9:43am | Report comment
I can’t help but feeling that there may have been a little bit of guilt associated with it. When you’re coached to tackle the opposition in a manner that requires you to try and twist their heads like opening a stubbie then when you finally hear the crack that goes with a neck injury reality might just hit home a little and cause you to be a little more compassionate than usual. Remember this is the same bloke who used to try and kick the football like a Beckham free kick when an opposition player was scoring a try even though the tryscorer’s head was never more than a few centimetres away.
August 30th 2011 @ 5:25pm
BigAl said | August 30th 2011 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
I agree ! – given the level of controlled and legal violence that is part of NFL, the players are amazingly compassionate towards each other, once they know a player has been seriously hurt.
And, I have never, ever seen a totally out of control bar-room type brawl, as per the NRL episode, in the NFL
September 2nd 2011 @ 8:05am
Crosscoder said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:05am | Report comment
Jaceman
Rothfield(despite being a Sharks supporter) has made some silly comments about the club over the years.So nothing surprises me.
Campese was a junior rl player, at a young age.There was very strong talk at the time ,he may switch,such as there was strong talk that Mark Ella would do likewise.Rothfield and he is not my reference point was hardly Robinson Crusoe with that assessment.There was talk that Anasta would go to union.The papers are full of that.Craig wing just about every year .
The same views were put on A Johns going to ru and boy was that a stuff up,and even Tana Umaga to rl. A lot of the sporting media uses rumour, innuendo and street talk to make suggestions out of left field.
Yet there was little mention in the media of a young ru Sevens flyer ,who plays for Eastwood ,signing with the west tigers(john Grant).
You show me a sporting journalist that has got it right on all occasions,and I will show your the living Elvis.
September 6th 2011 @ 4:46pm
Jaceman said | September 6th 2011 @ 4:46pm | Report comment
I notice Wilson backed NRL after a cassidy comment on offsiders – funny CC you didnt mention that?
August 30th 2011 @ 10:27am
sledgeross said | August 30th 2011 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Masters will put it to bed when Manly get over themselves. No team has a bigger chip on their shoulder than Manly, look at the way they go on about the whole Stewart affair.
August 30th 2011 @ 10:41am
Mals said | August 30th 2011 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Sledgeross – the two are completely unrelated, Masters is a dinosaur from the 1970s & 80s. However, people like yourself bringing up the “Stewart affair” time and again just fan the flames.
September 4th 2011 @ 11:53am
PaddyBoy said | September 4th 2011 @ 11:53am | Report comment
To be fair, Manly do it more than most.
August 30th 2011 @ 11:02am
Tony said | August 30th 2011 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Roy Masters has never sought to be objective, or anything other than opinionated. I have read Master’s articles and followed him as a coach in rugby league going back over 40 years. He is humorous and insightful. His article in the Herald was intended to be a pot shot at some weak willed officials as well as highlighting how league has a never-ending capacity to shoot itself in the foot despite the “great” things that happen in the field.
His point, written too subtly for this “guru” to understand was, too much attention was paid to the negativity of the brawl between Manly and Storm players and not enough credit given to Slater who cradled a seriously injured rival.
Roy Masters is a colorful and opinionated “old-school” league coach and journo and the game would be a lesser code without his involvement.
August 30th 2011 @ 1:18pm
apaway said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
No, Tony, I got the point loud and clear from his article. But within the body of the story, he also tried to compare Melbourne’s salary cap dramas with Manly’s 1970s player recruitment strategies. The two are unrelated.
August 31st 2011 @ 2:44pm
Tony said | August 31st 2011 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
According to a poll on Nick Tedeschi’s column called Making the Nut:
“Last week’s poll saw Steve Mascord (27%) pip Roy Masters (25%) as the most popular rugby league writer with Paul Kent (10%) running third”.
Nick is a considerably better writer than you and a quick guess would tell me Roy Masters articles are a little more popular than your drivel.
September 1st 2011 @ 11:57am
mushi said | September 1st 2011 @ 11:57am | Report comment
Please don’t confuse popularity with quality.
it is a tactic of many writers/”news” sites (including this one) to put out poorly formed controversial peices to get a recation and increase circiualtion/hits etc.
August 30th 2011 @ 11:34am
sledgeross said | August 30th 2011 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Sorry Mal, they are actually related. This article is slating Masters for his long held grudge he holds for Manly. It is relevent to point out that Manly now perpetuate an “us vs them” mentality. Im not fanning anything, just stating facts mate, if you cant handle it dont read it. The only difference is that masters has been doing it for a few decades.
August 30th 2011 @ 12:17pm
Jaceman said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Masters uses the working class venacular when it suits. He is in an inviduous position being a Melnbourne resident and Storm cheerleader yet his Fairfax bosses require him to write anti-News Ltd articles but he somehow manages to think that the Storm were framed. The Storm have obviously done well but seem to rely on Slater/VCronk disproportionately. BTW who was the AFL acolyte who wanted both teams out of the semis or is this another Masters half-truth…
August 30th 2011 @ 12:19pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
“Storm cheerleader”
Please don’t say that, I had a brief mental image of Roy Masters and those Storm cheerleader outfits and now have to eat breakfast again.
August 30th 2011 @ 12:27pm
Crosscoder said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
jaceman.
Actually champ there is a player by the name of Cameron Smith who wields a lot of influence in the Storm plays.
Many teams rely on a couple of star players disproportionately ,eg Tigers with Marshall,Sharks with Gallen.Cowboys with Bowen & Thurston,the Bulldogs with Barba and Idris,Rabbits with Sandow and Merritt.
The Storm are hardly lone wolves in that regard.
You should love the anti News articles.
August 30th 2011 @ 12:34pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 30th 2011 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Of course, many teams have their star or marquee. Ablett Jnr with the Suns, Lions with Jonathon Brown, Fremantle with Sandilands or Pavlich, Carlton with Judd, pretty normal, Hawthorn with Buddy Franklin for the counterparts.
August 30th 2011 @ 1:12pm
Hugh Jarse said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Never heard of any of these players nor their NRL teams.
This is an NRL story right?
August 30th 2011 @ 1:23pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 30th 2011 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Just pointing out to Jaceman (who is AFL-centric) that we do the same so there’s not really any point levelling criticism on those lines.
Besides, if Oikee had his way when expansion came in, he probably would try and nab a couple of them for NRL careers just to flip the bird
August 31st 2011 @ 12:32pm
Jaceman said | August 31st 2011 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
I follow all footy codes – I didnt forget Smith (he was out when Manly flogged them in GF) but i feel that he is indestructable and is always there. I’m not anti-News – I love the Australian – I just object to some of their manouevres in regards to NRL. I will criticise all media when they write half-truths (which they do a lot) eg Masters wrote this morning that the IRB would have given the Rugby World Cup to japan instead of NZ if they wanted to make money and are “family” based (unlike the AFL and others). The RWC hasnt been in NZ since 1987 so I think there would have been a stink if NZ hadnt got it esp as their soccer team now has an easy passage to the Soccer world cup.. Gallop also claimed at the ICD lunch yestersay that RL crowds are up 45% since 1998 I wasnt there so the report may have been paaraphased but which measure did he use in 1998 (the SL crowds, the ARL crowds) he may have mentioned that it came off a low base during the SL war – however he has said in the past (in 2007) words to the effect to show the eveness of the competition that 8 teams had won the competition in the last 11 years. He didnt mention that he counted the Super league winners and ARL winners in the same year during the Super league war which is disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst….
August 31st 2011 @ 12:44am
BigAl said | August 31st 2011 @ 12:44am | Report comment
Love the way you use ‘champ’ in your arguments Cc, reminds me of when I was a boy – older guys used to use it often when arguing
( usually about footy) – sort of a verbal face-palm!
BTW – how old are you ?
August 31st 2011 @ 8:04am
Crosscoder said | August 31st 2011 @ 8:04am | Report comment
BigAl
I am past the mate and the oi oi oi.The usage of champ is a sign of endearment and a sign of respect to my fellow debater.I could use pal,but I am not a Yank.If you wish I will use, your excellency.
Old enough to be continually moderated by the censor lurking herewith.Old enough to go to war,vote ,make love,and travel without a minder to watch a Kangaroo tour. Old enough to be deeply involved with the SL war.
Old enough to assess rl Tv ratings and Tv contract deals and realise we were robbed.
In summary asking someone their age in a debate,is an insult.
August 31st 2011 @ 8:49am
BigAl said | August 31st 2011 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Cc – no insult intended, I fancy myself as a bit of an amatuer cultural anthopologist, and ‘champ’ is a term I remember well, but have not heard used for years.
Absolutely keep using it . . . now there’s a word that is appearing more and more often!
August 31st 2011 @ 11:56am
Crosscoder said | August 31st 2011 @ 11:56am | Report comment
BigAl
Thanks point taken.I refrain from using ÿou know”,ät the end of the day”‘ or “totally won that’.
However I will say ” I’ll be back”.
August 31st 2011 @ 1:25pm
Crosscoder said | August 31st 2011 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Jaceman.
Then perhaps rl followers have a legitimate gripe against News Ltd and the SMH,when pieces are written ,formulated and used to tar and feather a code ,at times when the content is suitably over the top or unwarranted.
For a media organisation that ATM is 50% owner of the code,they are doing a mighty find job in whiteanting it ,in time for the next media TV contract rights.
The highest crowd average was from memory 2005 for the code,after the SL war ,and the numbers are marginally under those averages now,with all the wet weather and big Sydney crowd pullers the Dogs,and Eels down the bottom of the pile.You have an inkling of the effects of the SL war ATT and for the next ten or so years,I would hope.
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The number of registered players at grassroots level is at an all time high with figures soon to be announced ,and the compettion shows any teams can beat the top rankers on their day.
The numbers in SL were over the place.Gallop would have had to take both comps in account,if he were to use a base figure.Regardless the figures are well up,without being pedantic.
It is no secret Japan is the money place and having the RWC there would rake in more money one would think,without being an expert,but knowing the money paid to players like Craig Wing and the companies that are domiciled there. One of the top 4 economies in the world.
I do remember hearing “family base” was from kim Williams referring to the AFL in compariion to the NRL.A nice slur if there was one.
Seeing as SL finished in 2007,that makes 13 distinct years from then to 2010 inclusive ,I can’t see a problem.Unless my maths is skewed.
Yeah Gallop likes to tell porkies……please!!!
I rely more on the Australian to escape the Masters,Wilsons,Rothfields,Fosters,Sheedys,FitzSimons of this world ,unfortunately I am then stuck with the Patrick Smiths.Like going from a herd of spitting camels to a nest of bullants.Masters is a SMH journo,many over;look the fact.
August 31st 2011 @ 2:44pm
Jaceman said | August 31st 2011 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Slow down CC
You mean 1997 for SL to finish – the years might be skewed but I definitely heard him include SL and ARL winners in his 10 years (maybe it was 2005) to make his point – my view of him changed a bit after that – my point was that Gallop was being dishonest. I said his comment was 2007
Masters was using RWC to mention the family rather as inclusive. than the 2 parents and kids example. Williams was quoted as saying family – thats his rather consequential view after 10 years of NRL atrocities and obviously some AFL and RU atrocities as well. If he wasnt deflecting the qn then Gallop has some work to do before the next TV rights deal… My point was that Masters was bagging the AFL unnecessarily (in this case). I point out half truths and fabrications wherevere they occur from jounos or code officials. Player agents rubbish (like Nixon) is interesting but as useful as quoting the bloke down the pub..
September 1st 2011 @ 7:43am
Crosscoder said | September 1st 2011 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Jaceman..
Super league comp finished in 1997,after 1 year.from 1998 to 2010 is 13 years inclusive for NRl comps that is my point.
Secondly there approx 22 teams in both the SL and ARL comps
Thirdly statistics provided by the NRL are formulated by David Middleton Statistics,who has been doing the job as official stats provider to the code for decades.
I put his experiece ,his accuracy and his voluminous quantity of facts,against anything an outsdier or for that matter ayone else within the code can provide.
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If you are trying to suggest that Gallop is trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes,then he is a lot smarter than that.You and others spend alot of time on thsee threads calling Masters dishonest,now Gallop,Rothfield,Gould.Ever thought that now and again ,you may have got the bull by the horns,and are in fact incorrect yourself on occasions.
You acccuse Gallop of dishonesty publicly,then it behoves you to provide factual evidence on the same public forum,or forever hold your peace.@ that he got it wrong and b) he delvberately mislead the public.
I heard what Williams stated,I watched the press conference and read his quotes.It was a shot at rugby league as an excuse to deflect the monies paid.At the same time offfield incidents occurred in the other code,which he completely ignored.He is covering his A,for justification purposes.
I stated Masters is not my ideal and I cringe at times to some of his views,on other occasions he is right on the money.When you guys have the intestinal fortitude to agree the Offsiders do similar such things ,then we may be getting somewhere.
September 2nd 2011 @ 5:49pm
Jaceman said | September 2nd 2011 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
My point was that of course the figures are up since SL, he definitely included SL and ARL: tyeams when mentioning 8 different clubs winning the premiership in the last 10 years (in 2005) so I suggest he is being disingenuous. He also claimed that Brisabne kids could be drafted to Fremantle AFL without acknowledging the AFLs new draft policies for Qld and NSW players to be introduced shortly. So all in all a deceptive guy but he has a lot to deal with…
September 2nd 2011 @ 5:45pm
Jaceman said | September 2nd 2011 @ 5:45pm | Report comment
THe DT was on about live footy today which means there will be tension bettween Nine and Fox esp with no common ownership now…
September 4th 2011 @ 10:49am
Crosscoder said | September 4th 2011 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Well again Jaceman it pays to look at the stats provided by rugby league for the SL and ARL period compared to the date Gallop mentioned
as per
http://stats.rleague/rl/crowds/summary.html
It in fact supports Gallop’s comments and suggests being deceptive whatever,is nonsense.
Gallop can only comment on info pertaining to AFL to hand.In any case the draft remains and players down the line can be drafted to Fremantle wherever.
I just watched the Cronulla v tigers match ,and saw a large number of local juniors from both sides play in the respective teams,that is Gallop’s argument.
BTW read the nice fluff piece by Rebecca Wilson in Saturday’s D.T.,and you call that outlet a rl promotional tool LOL.
Watch the Offsiders this morning and listen to the one sided views on the Friday night brawl and the comments,including those of Caroline Wilson .Talk about a stacked deck.
And that is good having tension between 9 and Fox,especially when it comes to bidding for a top rating product.
August 30th 2011 @ 2:25pm
Mark Young said | August 30th 2011 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
I have to disagree, I read Roy’s article and thought he was spot on.
On a tough night between two teams that hate each other (and most Rugby League fans hate as well) there was a massive brawl which has overshadowed Slater and Widdop’s honorable act.
Roy has forgotten more about League then most of us will ever know.
August 30th 2011 @ 2:37pm
soapit said | August 30th 2011 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
shame he didnt write more articles before he forgot it all.
August 31st 2011 @ 10:02pm
Todd Slater said | August 31st 2011 @ 10:02pm | Report comment
Totally agree Mark. Warren Ryan & Roy are still arguably the best minds in the game, not coaching, along with the professor Ron Massey.
Gallop could have taken a different tack as could have the media on this. First by praising what a wonderful act of sportsmanship Billy Slater showed with David Williams – made that the focus first then highlighting what a great rivalry these two clubs enjoy, then got to the brawl. I mean Billy Slater basically saved David Williams from becoming a possible paraplegic right there.
I’m with Roy all the way. The bloke who wrote the article above should stick to writing about his favourite team – the Socceroos.
September 4th 2011 @ 10:58am
Crosscoder said | September 4th 2011 @ 10:58am | Report comment
jaceman
Try reference
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/summary.html