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Richie McCaw vs Quade Cooper: best of enemies

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    Quade Cooper RIchie McCawTwo of international rugby’s biggest stars, All Black Richie McCaw and Wallaby Quade Cooper, have developed a nasty habit of getting into altercations with each other.

    It’s always fantastic for a sport to have rivalries. It ensures that a little extra spice is added to proceedings. It guarantees that what is an already emotional situation becomes even more absorbing for fans. It provides a subplot to the overall athletic contest. And it adds another layer of intensity to the encounter.

    However, the rivalry between McCaw and Cooper has now gone beyond the realm of ‘intense’, and entered an even more fascinating territory: niggly.

    Cooper’s knee to the head of McCaw in the deciding Tri-Nations decider may have gone unpunished by officials, but anyone who thinks it was unintentional is fooling themselves.

    Cooper was looking right at McCaw when he did it, so the contact could have been avoided if he had so desired.

    Clearly Cooper had intent, and as such, I was surprised he wasn’t suspended.

    It added another chapter to the growing rivalry between the two players, which appeared to have first brewed in the match between Australia and New Zealand in Hong Kong last year. In that game, Cooper shoved McCaw in the in-goal area during the final minutes of the Wallaby win.

    Since then, the two players have had run-ins during almost every game in which they’ve squared off against each other, including the Super Rugby matches between the Crusaders and the Reds.

    It’s a fascinating duel, because it’s somewhat unexpected. There isn’t a long history between the two, nor has there been any indication of bad blood before the Hong Kong match.

    And McCaw and Cooper are also diametrically opposed in almost every way imaginable.

    McCaw is a forward, and Cooper a back. McCaw is an openside flanker and a master at the breakdown. Cooper is a mercurial fly half who utilises sleight-of-hand and silky skills to bamboozle opponents. McCaw is a veteran, whilst Cooper is in the infancy of his international career.

    McCaw is a classy leader of men, heavily respected throughout the world, and extremely media savvy. Cooper is a cheeky Queenslander who has had disciplinary, off-field issues, and appears raw and nervous in front of the camera.

    From a distance, apart from trans-Tasman bragging rights, their stark differences would suggest that there is little evidence that would indicate that they should be such fierce rivals.

    Robbie Deans has called the rivalry ‘healthy’. In reality, whilst it’s fantastic for the media, and provides fans with great banter over a beer, it’s not really a rivalry at all. Rather its two players engaging in some world class niggle.

    Both players have a keenness for the battle within the battle, and it’s this quality that they share that makes them bitter adversaries.

    Cooper, by virtue of his cheeky personality, loves to indulge in a little bit of niggle during games. His bold confidence is what makes him such a special and dangerous attacking player, but it’s also the reason he loves to engage in some ‘extracurricular’ activities with his opponents.

    Meanwhile, McCaw, by virtue of his playing position and amazing skill set, is both accustomed to and motivated by the individual confrontations that rugby serves up.

    The next time the two combatants square off against each other very well may be during rugby’s showpiece event: the World Cup final. On the sport’s biggest stage, with the most at stake, you can guarantee that McCaw and Cooper will resume hostilities, should the two nations battle for the William Webb Ellis trophy.

    Long may the niggle continue.

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    • September 2nd 2011 @ 3:58am
      kingplaymaker said | September 2nd 2011 @ 3:58am | ! Report

      ‘It added another chapter to the growing rivalry between the two players, which appeared to have first brewed in the match between Australia and New Zealand in Hong Kong last year. In that game, Cooper shoved McCaw in the in-goal area during the final minutes of the Wallaby win.’

      Cooper claimed it didn’t begin with the shove, but was actually started by some subtle physical violence applied by the old All Black forwards (meaning in this context Mccaw), earlier during the match. Aside from watching every detail of the tape it would be difficult to prove this, although it’s perfectly likely.

      This rivalry is absurd: as no player can punch each other for fear of being sent off they end up effeminately slap/pushing in battles which make handbag fights look macho, and are also pretty camp. In what resembles foreplay more than brawling, they both come out seeming ridiculous.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 5:15am
        Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 5:15am | ! Report

        Very subtle….

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 7:24am
          Kane said | September 2nd 2011 @ 7:24am | ! Report

          I can see why Quade had to try and prov himself after that attempt

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:29am
          Seiran said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:29am | ! Report

          I didn’t see any McCaw niggling in that footage, but I did see plenty of All Black ruck infringements.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:28am
          Taniwha said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:28am | ! Report

          “Quade Cooper was a speed bump…”

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:10am
        CraigB said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:10am | ! Report

        Cooper claimed it didn’t begin with the shove, but was actually started by some subtle physical violence applied by the old All Black forwards (meaning in this context Mccaw), earlier during the match. Aside from watching every detail of the tape it would be difficult to prove this. Try this:

        Of course its St Ritchi so it’s not McCheat trying to kick Cooper in the nuts, its more likely Cooper is trying to rape his foot

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:26am
          warrenexpatinnz said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:26am | ! Report

          🙂 nice

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:26am
          Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:26am | ! Report

          Did you happen to miss the no arms clear out & Jake the Muss impersonation afterwards? Also, take a close look at where McCaw’s foot is directly prior to when he kicks out.

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:36am
            warrenexpatinnz said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:36am | ! Report

            Jerry when I watched that with both eyes open Cooper could have been penalized for no arms but Jake the Muss he isn’t, think “Dr Ropota” is all of 5ft but I guess when your laying on your back looking up that would add some height eh!

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              September 2nd 2011 @ 10:04am
              Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:04am | ! Report

              You dont have two eyes warren, just one gold coloured eye :p

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 2:13pm
                warrenexpatinnz said | September 2nd 2011 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

                Mate talk about coincedence, just put a post up to Taniwha re a slipping eye patch problem I have! Glad you said it was a gold one, I was thinking plain black.

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:44pm
              Winston said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

              More like uncle bully

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:30am
          Taniwha said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:30am | ! Report

          All I got from that vid was that the top rated comment was “McCaw 3 times irb champion, cooper a try hard benji marshall.”

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:13am
            mattamkII said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:13am | ! Report

            awesome comment – what are you 11 years old?

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:43am
              RucknRoll said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:43am | ! Report

              Awsome comment – what are you 5 years old?

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 12:27pm
              Taniwha said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

              Give or take a couple.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 3:28pm
          Chris said | September 2nd 2011 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

          Er would that be just after Cooper came in with a swinging right arm to clear McCaw out?

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 10:06pm
            McGee said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:06pm | ! Report

            McCaw is a cheat and a cry baby. He is so accustomed to being treated like on field royalty, good on QC for not buying into the hype and giving him a bit of pushback, that most refs are too scared to give him.

        • September 15th 2011 @ 11:57am
          Pillock said | September 15th 2011 @ 11:57am | ! Report

          Why isn’t the late hit on O’Connor after he scored mentioned only a shove in the back by Cooper?

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:18am
        WQ said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:18am | ! Report

        I think this whole process was mastermined by Dingo Deans to unsettle McCaw and the All Blacks prior to the Hong Kong game when he was desperate for a win.
        It worked so he has stuck with it and in fact has supported Cooper with his cheap shots to the point of stating he thinks it is healthy!!!
        It is going to backfire on Dingo because whilst Quade has got away with a few blatant cheap shots he surely will not continue to get away with it. As you have mentioned Ryan they may meet again this year in the World Cup final and I just wonder how Healthy Dingo might think it is to play a period of the game a man down???

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:00am
          Sage said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:00am | ! Report

          Masterminded in his top secret underground rugby lair no doubt (cue maniacal laughter)

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:18am
            James P said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:18am | ! Report

            If anyone has a top secret underground rugby lair, it’s Robbie Deans lol

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:13pm
          Campbell Watts said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

          The wallabies are use to playing a man down with Cooper – at least on defence anyway!!

          Boom boom 🙂

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 10:11am
        Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:11am | ! Report

        “This rivalry is absurd: as no player can punch each other for fear of being sent off they end up effeminately slap/pushing in battles which make handbag fights look macho, and are also pretty camp. In what resembles foreplay more than brawling, they both come out seeming ridiculous”

        Having just re-read this, I’d say it’s about the best summation of the situation I’ve seen thus far.

    • September 2nd 2011 @ 4:02am
      Viscount Crouchback said | September 2nd 2011 @ 4:02am | ! Report

      One has to have a bit of sneaking admiration for any fly-half prepared to dish it back to an open-side flanker. Generally in rugby the 10 simply takes whatever punishment comes his way, so it’s quite amusing to see Cooper inverting the unwritten rules of the game.

      On the topic of McCaw, has anyone else noticed that he seems to get rather flustered in fast, intense, aggressive games? He’s a super player but I’m far from convinced that he possesses Johnson/Eales/Smit levels of stoicism, calmness and resilience…

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 5:26am
        Damo said | September 2nd 2011 @ 5:26am | ! Report

        Yes, Viscount I have noticed this in McCaw recently. He is not the McCool of recent years.
        What was all this indignation about Cooper’s flaky knee? Methinks he did protest too much. A bit of gamesmanship to get the Wallaby playmaker suspended?
        An All Black forward who gets thumped regularly by 2m plus monsters was so shaken by what? It wasn’t Cooper’s knee.
        It was the scoreboard and every other Wallaby who had hit him that night that was upsetting McCaw.
        It was also at the end of a ruck where Richie had just had a nap on the side between Genia and the ball. It’s McCaw who arguably should have been walked in that instance.
        I cannot believe the indignation from across the ditch from this non incident. A couple of kiwis at work yesterday opined that ‘he should show more respect to the captain’.
        Well, on that vein, a captain should show more respect for the laws of the game.
        But Cooper should not have done it. It was wrong and I am sure that he is very sorry for winning, um… I mean kneeing .

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 5:47am
          Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 5:47am | ! Report

          “It’s McCaw who arguably should have been walked in that instance”

          I’d quite like to hear that argument. Cause I suspect it’s a load of bollocks.

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:01pm
            Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

            I’d still quite like to hear how you reckon McCaw was in the wrong there….

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 10:28pm
              McGee said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:28pm | ! Report

              Mccaw is not a good spokesman for the game… Considering how much he slows it down and ruins the whole spectical. He is always in the wrong because he does not play in the spirit of the game. So no point in all his tears when someone else does something to him that is not in the spirit of the game.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:08am
          p.Tah said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:08am | ! Report

          I’ve got a sneaky feeling the old MacCool of previous seasons may find his previous form and be named player of the tournament…
          Let’s not give him anything more to rev him up. Haven’t we learnt our chest beating lesson yet? 🙂

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 3:03pm
            Denby said | September 2nd 2011 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

            Damn right, Saint Richie has got the best of us more times than I care to think. 2 victories against 30 something?
            Love the Wallabies but McCaw is an amazing player and briliant captain, he is truly a legend of the game I do not think Quade Cooper has put him off his game just yet.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:49am
          mike said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:49am | ! Report

          Enjoy while you can.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:25am
          WQ said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:25am | ! Report

          C’mon Damo that is rubbish, blatant cheap shot foul play is foul play and it deserved a yellow card at minimum, McCaw was merely trying to convince Wayne Barnes to act accordingly.
          The real issue here is what happens now if for instance Richie or one of the other All Blacks accidentally knees Cooper in the head? Is that ignored as well as just a “flaky knee” or should that be treated as foul play and receive a yellow or red card?

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            September 2nd 2011 @ 10:02am
            Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:02am | ! Report

            Imagine how kearns and martin would go off! instead of practcally ignoring it like they did last weekend. They would be calling for him to be banned from all rugby for about 2 years I reckon.

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 10:21am
              WQ said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:21am | ! Report

              Great comment Red Chief, the commentary went eerily quiet surrounding this incident!

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                September 2nd 2011 @ 10:27am
                Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:27am | ! Report

                Its the same when the wannabees infringe, Kearns and martin go ballistic about cheating everytime McCaw is near a ruck (and often when he’s not), but dont mention a thing when the wannabees “cheat”. Im 99 percent sure thats why most aussie fans think McCaws a cheat, they dont know a thing about rules around the ruck, but think because Kearns complains (at every ruck) it must be cheating!

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:42am
            Funk said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:42am | ! Report

            “The real issue here is what happens now if for instance Richie or one of the other All Blacks accidentally knees Cooper in the head?”
            And what about if Richie or one of the other All Blacks accidentally elbows Cooper in the head (see attached photo)……ahhh, nothing, not a peep, no histerics, no dummy spitting,no the world is against us, no we hate you all, no why do people pick on him, just bleating from a large amount if kiwi bloggers about an incident that went against them! Should the knee have happened, should the elbow have been thrown….no, but we’re not playing tidly winks here, harden the F up! Bring on the world cup!

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              September 2nd 2011 @ 11:54am
              Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:54am | ! Report

              I dont think he swung the elbow into his face Funk, apples with apples please…

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 12:12pm
                Funk said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

                drove it, hammered it, flung it, hurled it, threw it, heaved it, any other adjectives could be used, as for apples with apples the only difference is, one was by the much maligned (by almost every kiwi blogger out there) QC, the other was by the butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth, can do no wrong (in nz eyes) McCaw. I am amazed at the blindness of so many kiwis…is the attached photo at the top of this article photo shopped, or his cloak of invisability working after the game? Is the photo not showing RM hitting QC with an elbow to the head?

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                September 2nd 2011 @ 12:46pm
                Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

                So you dont think that a photo can be misleading? If McCaw had swung an elbow delibratly into Cheaps shot’s face, do you think the aussie commentators would have just let it go?

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:07pm
                Funk said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

                Can a photo be misleading?????? I think we should ask the nz hearald?

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                September 2nd 2011 @ 1:24pm
                Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

                Your right, the photos in the herald make out that quade has made a tackle before! :p

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:59am
              WQ said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:59am | ! Report

              Given your opinion on this Funk, then you will be the first Wobbly blogger to tell the other Wobbly bloggers to suck it up, if and when the retribution comes?
              Some how I doubt it!!!
              You will be baying for their blood along with all of the other Wobbly bloggers.

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 12:18pm
                Funk said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

                Like we’ve been all baying for blood over the elbow??????

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                September 2nd 2011 @ 12:47pm
                Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

                Funk is delusional, or Phil Kearns.

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:10pm
                Funk said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

                How many times can you say phil kearns in one day RC? Are they your words for the day?

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:12pm
                Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

                This is all getting a bit Philkearning boring.

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                September 2nd 2011 @ 1:26pm
                Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

                About the same amount of time as he complains in a match.
                Thats all for today though, even im getting sick of typing his name.

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 12:23pm
              Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

              Probably cause the attached photo doesn’t really tell you anything. You can’t tell much from a still image.

              The NZ Herald did a little photo essay of a bunch of ‘high tackles’ by Quade for instance, but I’d bet that the majority of them were nothing more than some incidental contact.

              http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/image.cfm?c_id=4&gal_cid=4&gallery_id=121046#7955205

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 12:57pm
                johnny-boy said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

                What it shows is Cooper making quite a few ‘heavy’ tackles. Shock horror 🙂

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:04pm
                Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

                I know. It’s quite telling that they had to go back to 2009 to find enough tackles by him to fill up the gallery…..

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 3:43pm
                Chuck said | September 2nd 2011 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

                The slideshow that the Hearald put up really was quite ridiculous if you ask me, some of those tackles weren’t even close to being high tackles let alone even look dangerous. Like you Jerry I was surprised they even found enough photos of QC making tackles.

            • September 3rd 2011 @ 4:53pm
              d0nutz said | September 3rd 2011 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

              Funk, the guy that needs to harden up is u, your fluffy little marshmallow, Cooper is a spoon he’s not even a top player, genia is the man in the wallabies not that cheap shot fag. Honestly he shoved macaw cause u looked like a speed bump. If u Wana get back at someone smash em
              in a tackle. I so hope the wallabies play Samoa. Cooper will be doing no look passes all day, so he doesn’t get caught with the ball. Bottom line: coopers a school girl, and u sound like a protective mum.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 2:05pm
        ThelmaWrites said | September 2nd 2011 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

        M’Lord

        That Australian ascendancy in rugby might occur during his watch haunts McCaw. As it does with anti-Deans posters in this site.

        After all, he said, while being interviewed about the coaching travails of Deans, his former coach and erstwhile? friend, “He knows how to come out on the other side”. He said it half-laughingly.

        I first saw him flustered at the Sydney match way back in 2008, when the Wallas were winding down to a victory. He and Mortlock were injured and were watching from their respective sidelines. He was squirming in his seat, where he was watching with his girl-friend.

        If it weren’t that we are at the cusp of the RWC, I’d take the captaincy away from McCaw. He has become a liability. His alleged cheating, chronicled by Mark Reason in stuff.co.nz, will become a lightning rod for intense scrutiny from referees.

        But of course that won’t happen. It’s too abrupt and who will replace him?

    • September 2nd 2011 @ 4:03am
      CizzyRascal said | September 2nd 2011 @ 4:03am | ! Report

      Without having paid too much attendance to it, I would have said it is Cooper that keeps getting involved and McCaw has done nothing (in the open). Odd and if it were lesser (known) players, it probably wouldn’t have garnered the attention it has.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 4:08am
        kingplaymaker said | September 2nd 2011 @ 4:08am | ! Report

        Cizzy Mccaw can do anything without being seen and not get away with it. Cooper not least because he spends less time at the breakdown is bound to do things more in the open. Whoever could notice this kick from Mccaw for example:

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 5:38am
          thurl said | September 2nd 2011 @ 5:38am | ! Report

          hardly a kick…

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:14am
            CraigB said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:14am | ! Report

            and the crash of a double standard hitting the forum. I blame Cooper for trying to have sex with his foot

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:47am
              RucknRoll said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:47am | ! Report

              If that’s what you recognize as sex, then maybe you’re not familiar with it….
              Your problems now become clearer to us all…

    • September 2nd 2011 @ 5:11am
      Corey said | September 2nd 2011 @ 5:11am | ! Report

      To be fair, McCaw is the dirtiest player in the game. He cheats as much as possible without getting penalised, he will cheat when the ref is on the other side of the breakdown, when the ref isn’t looking or when the ref is just too inconsistent. So, I would think McCaw deserves that knee in the head, because if the ref’s aren’t going to penalise him then the players should.
      Never seen a dirtier player in my life in any Rugby code.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:13am
        Arky said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:13am | ! Report

        McCaw is rugby’s biggest cheat. It is pleasing to see someone niggle him. And to the bleaters – and there will be plenty – McCaws cheating lost he and his fans the right of appeal long ago.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:19am
          Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:19am | ! Report

          “the bleaters”

          Self awareness fail.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 7:46am
          Capital said | September 2nd 2011 @ 7:46am | ! Report

          McCaw is a great player.
          Anyone who can dominate their position and influence games as he does deserves respect.
          Lets be straight – George Smith played on the edge of the laws, Pocock does not and McCaw does.
          Great players know when to seize the moment, and know when it will cost their team 3 points or simply a kick for line. The guy is a seriously good rugby player and if he was a Wallaby, we would not have the same opinion of him that is touted on this forum.
          Is that the true test of a great player – we would want them in our side?

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:17pm
            ThelmaWrites said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:17pm | ! Report

            Capital

            He will never be held in the same high regard as Michael Jones. Way beneath I would add. He will be admired for sordid reasons.

            • September 3rd 2011 @ 12:19pm
              darwin stubby said | September 3rd 2011 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

              oh grow up – and try and get some understanding of the game

              • September 3rd 2011 @ 6:01pm
                ThelmaWrites said | September 3rd 2011 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

                DS and RC

                I thought I’d find out a little bit more about your hero. I got youtube and keyed in “richie mccaw cheating” and lo and behold! I got a ready-made prompt with those very words! Wow, the results were hilarious! Yuk, yuk. Some dating from 4 years back!

                Anyway, in a serious vein, …history will tell.

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              September 3rd 2011 @ 4:46pm
              Red Chief said | September 3rd 2011 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

              Most actually hold him in regard as the best 7 to ever play the game. 3 times the best player in the world is no mean feat.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:05pm
          the other Steve - and AB fan said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

          Yeah, Corey, clearly you’re right and all those test and S15 refs are always wrong, except of course when they penalise Richie.

          Not to mention all the Assistant Refs and the citing commissioners, dozens of cameras…

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:41am
        Who Needs Melon said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:41am | ! Report

        Corey, the term ‘dirty’ in rugby is used in relation to players inclined to grope, gouge and injure opposition players off the ball, at the bottom of rucks, etc., isn’t it? Are you saying McCaw does this? Or using dirty to mean ‘cheating’?

        I, and just about every man and his dog, have offered opinions on what constitutes cheating on the rugby pitch in relation to McCaw and I’m not going to bore anyone with stating the same old thing all over again. But it is interesting to imagine how we would feel about Cooper if he were playing for South Africa. And how we would feel about McCaw if he were playing for Australia.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 7:32am
        Kane said | September 2nd 2011 @ 7:32am | ! Report

        How can you call it cheating if hes not being penalised? The ref is there he has two assistants and they dont see anything wrong with what hes doing so why should he stop?

        The Wallabies conceded 8 penalties in that last game against The All Blacks, thats pretty conclusive poof that they cheat.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:16am
          CraigB said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:16am | ! Report

          would you also suggest that anyone who exceeds the speed limit and is not caught are not breaking the law??

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 8:25am
            Kane said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:25am | ! Report

            If you speed down a road with a speed camera and two cops and they dont fine you then clearly the people employed to enforce the law dont believe you are breaking them.

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:24am
            jeremy said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:24am | ! Report

            …which is a self-defeating argument, because the vast, vast majority of drivers have at some stage or another driven faster than the speed limit. In a 60km zone, driving at 60.0000000000000001 kmph is technically breaking the law. Yet we don’t have every single person in Australia up before the courts paying fines.

            Laws must be policed in order to be effective, I believe that’s what Kane is pointing out.

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        September 2nd 2011 @ 8:25am
        Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 8:25am | ! Report

        You guys sound like your Phil Kearns parrot

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:32am
        katzilla said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:32am | ! Report

        ‘I would think McCaw deserves that knee in the head’

        ‘Never seen a dirtier player in my life in any Rugby code’

        Complaining about Dirty Players – Condoning Dirty Violence……………..
        Your the poster child for Contraception pal.

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:49am
          Kane said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:49am | ! Report

          That Corey is exactly why you should not be posting on this website, you obviously dont watch any rugby. Katzilla is absolutely correct. Have you ever seen McCaw line someone up and punch them other than Peter van Zyl? No! Has he ever been carded for foul play? No! He’s only ever had one yellow card in his test career not bad for some one who is supposedly the dirtiest in the game and is also a 98 test veteran.

          Theres no way you can call him the dirtiest player in the world when he has had cheap shots put on him from the likes of Lote Tuquiri, Jamie Hesslip, and Andy Powell he has done nothing but defend him self.

          He has never been suspended from test rugby for dirty play.

          I might add that Quade has already had a week on the sideline for a spear tackle.

          Do you think the IRB and the worlds greatest players including John Eales would condone dirty play and award him IRB Player of the Year three times?

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            September 2nd 2011 @ 10:05am
            Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:05am | ! Report

            Well said.

          • September 2nd 2011 @ 10:32am
            Quakezone... said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:32am | ! Report

            I also recall in that same game where Tuquiri speartackled, Phil Waugh blatantly punched Richie from behind but the ref once again did nothing…remember Waugh being substituted off all Bloodied and bandaged…Rugby payers remember and form there own retribution in the deep dark places

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              September 2nd 2011 @ 10:41am
              Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:41am | ! Report

              Those things didnt count though, because McCaw didnt do them. Seems to be the attitude of many australians

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 12:07pm
                Taniwha said | September 2nd 2011 @ 12:07pm | ! Report

                Ha, notice the lack of replies to these examples and lines of reasoning. It’s like listening to the Australian commentary team as it all happened – silence.

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 2:28pm
                warrenexpatinnz said | September 2nd 2011 @ 2:28pm | ! Report

                Question Red Chief; Were was Richie positioned when these tackles were made?
                Second question; Did Richie dislocate his shoulder in the spear tackle?
                third question; Quakezones post highlights the exact point most posters are refering to, what Richie does in behind the cloak of legs and bodies or off the ball is just as dirty what gutsier? players do to him in the open? So who is the dirtier player,?

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 2:37pm
                Jerry said | September 2nd 2011 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

                He was the ball carrier for the spear tackle and was tackling a Wallaby ball carrier (both still on their feet) when Waugh smashed him in the face.

                The Tuqiri thing was a bit inadvertent, McCaw was twisting a bit after being picked up which made it seem worse. The Waugh thing was pretty dodgy though – a high swinging arm tackle on a tackler. It was obvious in that game that the Wallabies were targetting him – not usually in a dirty fashion, but trying to take him out of play (rather like the AB’s have been accused of doing to Pocock in the leadup to Nonu’s try).

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                September 2nd 2011 @ 4:06pm
                Red Chief said | September 2nd 2011 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

                So warren you are basing all of this “Richie is a dirty player” on him allegedly commiting dirty acts in the ruck, which have not been picked up in 98 tests and well and over a hundred first class games, by any ref or any of the ten plus cameras per game? ever? wouldnt he have been cited at least once if he was such a dirty player as you all claim??

            • September 2nd 2011 @ 11:57am
              Funk said | September 2nd 2011 @ 11:57am | ! Report

              “remember Waugh being substituted off all Bloodied and bandaged” Huh…that could be any one of the games Phil Waugh played, I can’t remember a single game where he didn’t come off with some blood over him.

              • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:07pm
                the other Steve - and AB fan said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

                yes, it was always his own though!

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 7:51pm
          Scotty said | September 2nd 2011 @ 7:51pm | ! Report

          Richard Loe – now there was a proper dirty player. McCaw ain’t dirty, he’s possessed of great amounts of low cunning – thats what makes him quite good. I have yet to see him try and blind anybody.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:54am
        WQ said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:54am | ! Report

        Corey,
        I challenge you to find out how many minutes Richie McCaw has spent off the field as a result of a yellow or red card at any level of Rugby. Once you have done that then find out if he has ever been cited for foul play or actually fronted a judiciary of any kind.
        Once you have done all that and then got over the embarrassment of your comment about Richie McCaw being the dirtiest player in the game, you should retract or re-phrase your comment.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 1:07pm
        Riccardo said | September 2nd 2011 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

        Bakkies anyone? Corey, you and your overstressed one-eye need to have a cup of tea and a lie down…

    • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:16am
      Arky said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:16am | ! Report

      And When we adjust for the cheating of McCaw and the impact it has Pocock has the ascendancy and is the better number seven.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:54am
        AussieKiwi said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:54am | ! Report

        I hope for your sake you are being ironic.

    • September 2nd 2011 @ 6:36am
      p.Tah said | September 2nd 2011 @ 6:36am | ! Report

      Love the photo. Either Richie has just clocked Quade one or he is bringing out a ‘Ritchie’ aftershave post world cup and is offering Quade a smell.

      • September 2nd 2011 @ 9:46am
        Monty said | September 2nd 2011 @ 9:46am | ! Report

        Hahaha I can hear it now said in a whisper “Ritchie…..”

        • September 2nd 2011 @ 10:01pm
          p.Tah said | September 2nd 2011 @ 10:01pm | ! Report

          The slogan could be: ”Richie… for the players and the cheaters” 😉

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