We need to chill out on players ‘defecting’ to GWS
By Ben Somerford, 8 Sep 2011 Ben Somerford is a Roar Expert
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Callan Ward and Rhys Palmer pose after the GWS press conference to announce the new player signings for the Greater Western Sydney Giants in 2012, Breakfast Point, Sydney.
Greater Western Sydney unveiled their two biggest recruits yet when Fremantle’s Rhys Palmer and Western Bulldogs’ Callan Ward fronted the media on Wednesday as Giants players. However, rather than being a celebration, it was a press conference where the players were filled with nervous tension.
It’s easy to forget Palmer and Ward are only 22 and 21 years-old respectively, so you can understand their anxiety at fronting such a large media throng.
Their decisions to leave the clubs they were drafted by only a few years ago for a completely new franchise would have naturally been difficult calls to make.
However, the scrutiny and stigma attached to those who decide they want to take up the new challenge is something which needs to be relaxed.
Palmer and Ward’s nervous tension prior to the conference said it all.
Of course, the fact that Palmer and Ward were the first cabs off the rank in terms of joining the Giants (Adelaide’s Phil Davis hasn’t been officially announced by the Giants yet) made the occasion a bit more daunting as it attracted plenty of interest.
However, this notion of disloyalty, jumping ship and turning your back on your team-mates only for money is a bit over the top.
The players freely admitted money did play a part, but they also explained they had other reasons for making the move, such as getting out of their comfort zone.
Some people may argue that’s a token explanation but personally I don’t blame them for taking up GWS’s offer and rather congratulate them on having the mettle to make such a call and go through the arduous process.
Veterans Chad Cornes and Dean Brogan have this week been heavily rumoured to be set to link up with former Port Adelaide coach Mark Williams at the Giants and interestingly they haven’t attracted the same level of scrutiny.
That’s arguably because they’ve given their club several years’ service, whereas Ward or perhaps GWS’s other big target, Tom Scully of Melbourne, haven’t.
That’s an interesting reference point in regard to the AFL’s mooted free agency policy whereby players can move on after eight years’ service, but that’s a debate for another day.
The scrutiny, though, isn’t only external for these players, but perhaps more pertinently it involves their club mates and officials.
It was interesting to hear Ward discuss the possibility of not attending the Bulldogs’ Best and Fairest function later this year due to the way he might be received by his now former team-mates and officials.
“It’ll be interesting, I haven’t really spoken to them about whether I should actually attend the Best and Fairest or not,” he said. “I’m under the impression I should. I spent four years there, I played every game for them this year, so I’d like to go. It’ll be interesting to see how they take it.”
I hope that’s Ward just being a bit naïve, but of course he should attend the function.
Yes it is a bit unusual, but surely people at the club are mature enough to handle such a situation. If they can’t respect a player’s considered decision to move on, then that’s pretty disappointing in itself.
Experienced GWS coach Kevin Sheedy added: “I think it (players moving clubs) has been happening for awhile, every time we bring in a new franchise. When we’re trying to grow the game, we have to have an expansive mind as a group of footy fans and people who are running the clubs.”
Of course, Sheedy is going to say that, but it’s a pretty sensible attitude. And really that’s what this whole topic needs, a bit of common sense.
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September 8th 2011 @ 8:04am
Kasey said | September 8th 2011 @ 8:04am | Report comment
To be fair to the Aussie Rules community, their attitudes are shaped by the limited scope of their player’s options. In the medium term past you either played in your home state or ‘defected’ to Victoria to play in the VFL for more money. In other sports like football, players are a small cog in a global business. For decades, to improve their game and to challenge themselves against the best, players from all over the world have been moving to Western Europe. In this time, fans of the other codes, even Leaguies who ‘poached’ shamateur Union players have grown used to the business of player movement. Welcome to the modern world. Its only going to get uglier for the dinosaurs of Australian Rules footy when Free Agency is introduced in the near future.
September 8th 2011 @ 8:28am
Fake ex-AFL fan said | September 8th 2011 @ 8:28am | Report comment
The interesting thing is that clubs have been poaching players with big cash offers in the AFL / VFL since the early days, it’s just that for some reason we’ve recently been gripped by a strange amnesia and decided that before 2010 all aussie rules players were solely motivated by loyalty and mateship and never by the dollar. That’ll be news to the premiership team that North Melbourne put together in the 70′s, or Ron Barassi who left Melbourne for Carlton in ’65 for a big cash offer.
September 8th 2011 @ 11:28am
mds1970 said | September 8th 2011 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Kasey, you’re exactly right. Sydney FC won the comp a couple of years ago, and got raided by Melbourne Heart who were starting up; as well as losing players overseas. Brisbane Roar after that amazing grand final last year have lost a lot of players who have had opportunities open up elsewhere.
Get used to it, this is professionalism – and sport is a job like any other. If a competitor of my present employer offered me double my current pay packet to switch, I’d do it too.
September 8th 2011 @ 11:55am
Kasey said | September 8th 2011 @ 11:55am | Report comment
mds970
If you’re a betting man, this is why I’m having a lobster on the Mariners for the dunny seat in 2011/2012. They have lost nobody of note from a side that was seconds from pinching the title from an amazing Brisbane team. Amini will be back as Dortmund oviously think his development will be enhanced by regular game time in the HAL, Bernie Ibini-Isei should have gained some good experience with the u/20 national team in July, even if the team didn’t do so good, its got to be god for his development tobe surrouned by some good individual players in that environment.
September 8th 2011 @ 8:10am
Jack said | September 8th 2011 @ 8:10am | Report comment
Good to see that the same feeble lines about doing it for more than money are being trotted out again. This time by GWS. Anyone who thinks it is anything else but the money should answer that email from that poor Nigerian man.
Is this the same Kevin Sheedy who mouthed off so loudly when WCE came into the comp? My how attitudes change when your on the other side of the fence.
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September 8th 2011 @ 4:57pm
IanSB said | September 8th 2011 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Carn the Eagles!!!
September 8th 2011 @ 5:10pm
Simmo said | September 8th 2011 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
pretty sure Kevin Sheedy may have offered the Nigerian man an international contract to demonstrate how the game’s growing
September 8th 2011 @ 8:32am
Football Fan said | September 8th 2011 @ 8:32am | Report comment
90% of Aussie Rules fans live with a quaint 50′s mindset that moving teams is a HUGE issue that represents the competition falling apart and the death of loyalty. The cold hard facts are that the rest of the sporting world moved on many years ago, AFL folks are just now starting to come around to the fact that players can change teams.
When the free agency rules come in next year a lot of fans will have to face the reality of sport in our time. For my 2 cents I prefer openness and honesty about what’s going on – once that happens we’ll get a mature response when someone says they’re moving teams.
September 8th 2011 @ 9:52am
The Cattery said | September 8th 2011 @ 9:52am | Report comment
There’s no parallel.
September 8th 2011 @ 10:39am
Tony said | September 8th 2011 @ 10:39am | Report comment
We members/supporters of our long-established football clubs take it personally! Do we have a different aspect/understanding re loyalty than soccer et al? Could be because AFL clubs are not privately owned, but clubs in the true sense of the word. If may be-fashioned, but it’s a value the rest of the sporting world should get back.
September 8th 2011 @ 9:20am
Redb said | September 8th 2011 @ 9:20am | Report comment
For those who beleive free agency will cause mass player transfers you need to read the rules agreed by the AFLPA and the AFL. In most cases only after 8 years will players be able to free transfer outside the draft.
As for AFL catching up to the real world, well in many areas the AFL already is.
The bottom line is fans prefer player who are loyal I dont care what sport is it. Surely fans of an EPL club whilst accepting of the fact that players will transfer from say Liverpool to Man U, they would perfer assuming they’re good players the fans would still prefer to keep them, yes?
Give my the AFL player loyalty any day of ther week.
GC & GWS are creating blips on the radar for 1-3 years, they will then be subject to the draft, salary cap and free agency rules like everyone else.
Limited free agency will help grease the wheeles for players who want to mvoe on, that’s good thing. In the main for 85-90% of AFL players they will be able to stay with their club and build a career. If they are happy , being paid appropriately wahts the problem?
September 8th 2011 @ 9:56am
Redb said | September 8th 2011 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Typed that too fast, way too many typos:
For those who beleive free agency will cause mass player transfers you need to read the rules agreed by the AFLPA and the AFL. In most cases only after 8 years will players be able to freely transfer outside the draft.
As for AFL catching up to the real world, well in many areas the AFL already is.
The bottom line is fans prefer player who are loyal I don’t care what sport it is. Surely fans of an EPL club whilst accepting of the fact that players will transfer from say Liverpool to Man U they would prefer assuming they’re good players, they would still prefer to keep them, yes?
Give my the AFL player loyalty any day of ther week.
GC & GWS are creating blips on the radar for 1-3 years, they will then be subject to the draft, salary cap and free agency rules like everyone else.
Limited free agency will help grease the wheels for players who want to move on, that’s good thing. In the main for 85-90% of AFL players they will be able to stay with their club and build a career. If they are happy , being paid appropriately, what’s the problem?
September 8th 2011 @ 1:24pm
Lazza said | September 8th 2011 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Remember how AFL fans used to argue that their sport was different and players are much more loyal than the mercenaries from other sports? As soon as an opportunity presents itself to move for more money then they’re off.. The only difference with Football is that no elite Football player would leave a top club to join a struggling one just for the money (i.e. Ablett).
AFL players are ‘loyal’ because the league is a cartel and the rules prevent them from moving. The interesting thing is what would happen if this was ever challenged in the courts. The EU has consistently ruled that professional sport must be treated like any other ‘job’ and players are free to move when their contracts expire. In the US, a special act of Congress allows professional sports to be exempt from the anti-trust laws and can operate as a cartel legally. No such protections exist in Australia so one court case could disrupt all our leagues and force free agency.
September 8th 2011 @ 2:01pm
Redb said | September 8th 2011 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
What a lovely code war fairytale.
Many top line AFL players knocked back the better money from GC to stay with their clubs, Ablett got a one off could not refuse offer.
Gold Coast actually struggled to get many uncontracted players despite throwing more money than existing clubs.
September 8th 2011 @ 2:25pm
Kasey said | September 8th 2011 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
I think the AFLPA are smart enough not to take the AFL to court over the structure of the league, with its artificial leveling devices such as a salary cap, a draft etc, they would be killing the goose that lays their golden egg. For this reason I do not believe the AFLPA will advocate industrial action if their dispute with the AFL continues. Someone will blink and in the end neither side gains if a season of footy is lost to strike action. Both sides appear to be in their ambit claim(in public) phase and will likely come closer over time via minor compromises. A less restricted Free Agency is a bone the AFL can throw to the PA when they deem the time is right.
September 8th 2011 @ 3:41pm
Redb said | September 8th 2011 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
I think the limited free agency is a terrific starting point, its a fair bet that if the player is not happy the fans will be happy to see them go anyway.
The true marquee players say Buddy, Hodge & Rioli for Hawthorn will be well looked after and these are the players fans of the club would hate to lose.
September 8th 2011 @ 6:28pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 8th 2011 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
If you dont want players to be free agents, dont let them go off contract.
Melbourne played bruise-free football with Tom Scully – they could have tied a top draft pick up for more than two years, but they were weak and refused to back their scouting departments judgement and signed him on a two year deal so they didnt have to pay him if he was a spud.
They were weak, they played bruise-free football, and now they are going to pay for it.
September 8th 2011 @ 9:45pm
UK Steve said | September 8th 2011 @ 9:45pm | Report comment
Lucas Neill knocked back the chance to join a top club (Liverpool) but instead went to a struggling club (West Ham) for the money. Robinho left Real Madrid for Man City and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t for the weather.
To Football Fan: you don’t think that soccer players moving teams is a huge issue? Seems like you have forgotten the death threats that Steven Gerrard received when it looked like he might join Chelsea. How about the balaclava clad men that showed up at Wayne Rooney’s house when he handed in a transfer request. What about the response of Barca fans when Luis Figo joined Real Madrid?
September 8th 2011 @ 9:58pm
punter said | September 8th 2011 @ 9:58pm | Report comment
We all know footballers move from club to club, Dennis Law moved from his beloved Man United to the neighbours next door & duly scored the goal to send Man U down in the early 70s. That was his last game.
September 8th 2011 @ 9:20am
Tim said | September 8th 2011 @ 9:20am | Report comment
Rhys Palmer, wow what a coup! Freo are going to be devastated!
September 8th 2011 @ 9:57am
Chris said | September 8th 2011 @ 9:57am | Report comment
The minute a player drops his form for two seconds fans are crying out for him to be traded or sacked. And often clubs do – and there is generally little fuss about it. Yet when a players makes the decision himself to move clubs, everyone squeals like stuck pigs.
Face it people – players are employees and clubs are employers. As such the situation is not really any different to what everyone out there with a ‘normal’ job experiences. If you have an opportunity to go to another job that pays better, most people take that opportunity – why should it be any different for football players?
September 8th 2011 @ 10:43am
Bayman said | September 8th 2011 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Ben,
I tend to agree with you that any angst shown by fans/officials regarding the shifting of players from one club to another is way over-played and, largely, self-indulgent.
Sure, the Bulldogs fans may fret about losing Ward but they were more than happy to accept Ben Hudson from Adelaide who left his old club for the same reason as Ward – for a better offer!
Then there are Adam Cooney (from West Adelaide, SA), Ryan Griffen (from South Adelaide, SA), Justin Sherman (from Brisbane), Will Minson (from Norwood, SA), Brian Lake (from Woodville-West Torrens, SA), Ryan Hargrave (from Perth, WA), Josh Hill (from Claremont, WA), Christian Howard (from Glenelg, SA), Brennan Stack (from Perth, WA), not to mention guys like Tom Williams, Liam Jones, Daniel Cross and Dylan Addison who came from Queensland, Tasmania and New South Wales.
Perhaps the original clubs, and the fans, of those players might have also preferred they stayed home and didn’t defect to the Bulldogs. Apparently, being hard done by only applies if you’re an AFL club!
As long as all the traffic is one way only the clubs, and their fans, are happy. Throw in a new team, however, and watch everybody squeal about the lack of fairness. Spare me!
There’s an old saying, “Be careful what you wish for”. Well, the AFL got its professionalism but only now, especially in Victoria, do the fans understand the full ramifications of what that brings to the game. Interstate clubs have been losing players to the VFL/AFL for decades and being told to live with it for their troubles.
That would be my advice now, Bulldogs. Get over it. You’re not the first and you won’t be the last. Mind you, I am looking forward to the noise and outrage which will come when Collingwood loses its first good player to another club.
September 8th 2011 @ 1:06pm
GrazingGoat66 said | September 8th 2011 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
Have absolutely no problem with a young bloke having fulfilled the terms of his previous contract, changing clubs for a truckload of cash. If these young men are sensible enough, then they can set themselves up for life. If it’s good enough for a club to delist a player at a moments notice, then they can’t complain when a player wishes to secure his future via a financial move. Biggest problem is from a football perspective, the Giants are playing at least 30% more than market value for middle of the road players. But that is a different argument altogether.
September 8th 2011 @ 1:20pm
Damo said | September 8th 2011 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
Paradoxically, the nuetral observer can applaued the courage and forsite of these players, but a fan of the club cant.
I think all are making the right decision, the only player so far to truly act in the wrong when moving ot a new club was Krakouer the rest have been very proffessional and handled themselves very well- I’m 22, and i couldnt imagine how hard it would be to make this kind of move for so much money, the pressure on these blokes must be huge!!
September 8th 2011 @ 2:21pm
Phil said | September 8th 2011 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
I don’t understand why people make such a big fuss when a player decides to change clubs. Many players have changed clubs in the past and will continue to do so in the future and it doesn’t matter what sport they play.