Fremantle choose safe bet Lyon over unlucky Harvey
By Michael DiFabrizio, 16 Sep 2011 Michael DiFabrizio is a Roar Expert
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Dockers coach Mark Harvey during the AFL Round 10 match between the Fremantle Dockers and the St Kilda Saints at Patersons Stadium, Perth. Slattery Images
Fremantle’s sacking of coach Mark Harvey, and the subsequent revelation St Kilda coach Ross Lyon would be his replacement, was as unexpected as it was crazy as it was dramatic as it was gobsmacking. In the space of an hour last night, the footy world was blindsided.
Fremantle turned its back on a coach that has done almost everything right, at least in the past two years, with a year left on his contract.
St Kilda lost a coach it desperately wanted to keep and who had taken them to three grand finals, with a year left on his contract.
Melbourne, who were reportedly prepared to offer Lyon a five-year deal, were outmanoeuvred by a competing club for the second time in the space of a week.
It was incredible stuff, and it came from nowhere.
While it’s true the Dockers did not make the finals this season, the fact is few saw that as a poor reflection on Harvey, who many consider the best ever Dockers coach.
This season the club was simply decimated by injuries. Each and every week there were at least ten players on the sidelines. 23 players were on the final injury list of the season. It’s hard to recall a team in recent history being so harshly hit by injuries.
You could say that for the team to remain as competitive as it did despite the injury crisis was a positive reflection on Harvey’s coaching abilities, if anything.
Last season Harvey returned the Dockers to the finals – even flirting with a top four finish for most of the year – despite most in the media saying he was on his last legs at the beginning of the season. He took a list few saw life in and turned it into a team that was exciting to watch and, when fit at least, got results.
Then all of the sudden, he’s sacked.
When the news hit, it just seemed so bizarre. It was perplexing as to why Freo could possibly think of it as a good idea. No reasons were initially given for the club’s decision, which made it even worse.
Within an hour of the news breaking, though, Ross Lyon’s name started to be mentioned. Things started to become a little clearer.
From a Freo perspective, Lyon has runs on the board and would therefore be considered more of a “safe bet” going forward than Harvey. That doesn’t make it the right decision, mind you, especially considering the club have denied Harvey the chance to score more runs himself.
It just means they’ve taken the safer option. On top of that, it means Harvey is incredibly unlucky and has been judged unbelievably harshly.
From Lyon’s perspective, while a lot of St Kilda and Melbourne fans would be angry right now, you can comprehend why he chose the Dockers.
After St Kilda’s finals exit last weekend, Lyon said: “It certainly feels like the end of an era, to be honest.”
He clearly felt the Saints were in need of a rebuild that would take several years.
Melbourne, too, aren’t all that close to a premiership despite at least being at the back end of their rebuilding stage.
Freo, meanwhile, are a realistic chance to make the top four next year. They are a predominantly young list. They have the best ruckman in the league and a handful of rising stars. In many ways for Lyon this move is akin to getting control over St Kilda’s list a couple of years earlier on in their development than when he took over the Saints.
That’s a pretty good situation to be in.
The main criticism levelled at Lyon last night was the fact he bypassed his management and negotiated with Freo alone, while his management was putting together a new deal at St Kilda. It’s fair to raise an eyebrow at this, but it’s worth noting his (now former) manager, Craig Kelly, is also Harvey’s manager.
When you sit down and think about it, it’s a huge conflict of interest. There’s no way the Dockers would want Harvey to be made aware his position was under threat – especially if the deal ended up falling through.
It sounds a bit rough Lyon going out on his own, but it does seem like there was a sound reason behind it.
Then there’s Melbourne in all of this. I won’t stick the boot into them here (their supporters still haven’t forgiven me for Tuesday’s column) and it’s because they were just unfortunate that another club closer to a premiership than them was also in the market for Lyon.
Some will say this reflects on Melbourne’s standing as a club. That’s rubbish. If you are to compare the lists of both the Dockers and Demons, you are not comparing apples and apples – one club is simply further along than the other.
Lyon picked his club accordingly, as you would expect him to.
Last night’s news shocked the AFL community. There are plenty of questions yet to be asked. Will Mark Harvey get another job? What does this mean for the Adelaide, Melbourne and Western Bulldogs coaching searches?
Does this improve Fremantle’s chances next year? Or was it more important to for them overhaul the fitness department than the coaching department?
Where do St Kilda go from here? Do they go with an experienced coach or another untried coach?
It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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September 16th 2011 @ 8:31am
Brett McKay said | September 16th 2011 @ 8:31am | Report comment
MIchael, I reckon your tweet last night nailed the whole situation: “this is crazy”, you said, in the middle of a frenzied hour in Sherrinland.
No doubt there will be all sorts of hand-wringing about Lyons still-drying contract with St.Kilda would allow the “three months notice” clause, but in time it will become obvious that Lyon has been busy for the last few weeks. Maybe months.
You have to feel sorry for Harvey, of course, injuries to key players at the worst time have essentially cost him his job.
And what of their management in this, won’t that make for an awkward Christmas party with the clients…
September 16th 2011 @ 9:48am
Michael DiFabrizio said | September 16th 2011 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Brett, ESP/Craig Kelly (the management of both coaches) last night sacked Lyon, so no Christmas party invite for him unfortunately. ESP were completely unaware Lyon was dealing with Fremantle, until about 7pm last night.
September 16th 2011 @ 10:19am
Brett McKay said | September 16th 2011 @ 10:19am | Report comment
I’d reckon Lyon probably doesn’t need them anyway Michael!!
September 16th 2011 @ 9:36am
TomC said | September 16th 2011 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Sorry for stating the bleeding obvious, but I guess there was stuff going on behind the scenes with Fremantle. Clearly there were a number of people unhappy with Harvey for some time.
Still, you’d imagine he shouldn’t have too much trouble getting himself a job next season. There is a dearth of experienced candidates right now. The question will be whether any of Melbourne, Western, Adelaide or St Kilda panic and sign him up to steal a march on the others. I reckon they’re all better off taking their time and running proper recruitment processes.
September 16th 2011 @ 9:57am
Pete said | September 16th 2011 @ 9:57am | Report comment
“Clearly there were a number of people unhappy with Harvey for some time.”
what I don’t get is, why now? If there were people at Freo unhappy with Harvey, why wouldn’t they have acted two years ago, when everyone in the footy community thought he deserved the sack? Why are they doing this after he’s proven everyone wrong and established himself as an AFL coach? So bizarre…
September 16th 2011 @ 9:40am
Swampy said | September 16th 2011 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Lyon has decieved the Saints, players, supporters and his management and in a pemeditated manner. This wont sit well with the dockers players his is about to coach and teach to play with integrity. Gutless Ross.
September 16th 2011 @ 9:45am
Pete said | September 16th 2011 @ 9:45am | Report comment
You seem to be very forgiving of Ross Lyon. He lied, he was deceptive, he led St kilda on, he went behind the back of his own manager, he stabbed a fellow coach in the back… Don’t know if we’ll hear the words “integrity” and “Ross Lyon” used in the same sentence much anymore.
As for Freo, their treatment of Harvey was shambolic to say the least. No respect. What else did they expect him to do? Rally his injury-depleted side to 9th or 10th instead of 11th? Build a time machine so he can go back and drop Rhys Palmer for the week Michael Barlow broke his leg? I don’t get what else he needed to do…
September 16th 2011 @ 9:55am
Michael DiFabrizio said | September 16th 2011 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Pete, where Ross Lyon went wrong was allowing negotiations to St Kilda to get as far as they did. He should’ve tried to delay them or tell his management he wasn’t ready for a decision (because the Saints legitimately thought there was going to sign!). So that I definitely see a problem with.
The issue of him bypassing his management has been overblown, that’s all I’m saying. I can’t see how it could’ve worked without Lyon bypasing his management, because that same management (Craig Kelly) also manage Mark Harvey. If negotiations went through Kelly, Harvey would have (in all likeliness) found out the club was looking to replace him behind the scenes. Now, if the Lyon deal was to then fall through, Freo would be left with a coach that knows he’s not wanted. It would be dumb for them to allow such a circumstance to arise. So Freo and Lyon had to do this one alone.
September 17th 2011 @ 10:17am
amazonfan said | September 17th 2011 @ 10:17am | Report comment
I think that the fact that it was done in secret, and Harvey wasn’t told until after the event, is the most shocking thing about it. Yes, there was a conflict of interest, however to do so in secrecy was deceptive; and what if Lyon said no? Not tell Harvey that they tried to replace him but the deal fell through?
I think that Fremantle should be ashamed about the way they did it. Not only did they go behind his back, and not even speak to him first, but to just cast him out? They didn’t even give him time to clear out his office.
“Then there’s Melbourne in all of this. I won’t stick the boot into them here (their supporters still haven’t forgiven me for Tuesday’s column)”
You’re right about that.
“and it’s because they were just unfortunate that another club closer to a premiership than them was also in the market for Lyon.”
I never wanted Lyon. The coach whom I’m really disappointed about missing out on was Alistair Clarkson. He would have been amazing.
September 16th 2011 @ 9:58am
Macca said | September 16th 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Don’t see the logic in this, Harvey has put together a good young list that was unfortuinately decimated with injury this year (he didn’t have enough players at the end of the year) and still ws in the finals race right to the end. Lyon will inherit a finals side (just like he did with the Saints) I just hope he doesn’t trade in as many old hacks as he did at the saints.
On the plus side it might just be worth watching a St Kilda game again next year as they might not play the whole game with 15 blokes behind the ball!!
September 16th 2011 @ 3:25pm
kick to kick said | September 16th 2011 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
I’m not entirely convinced that the injury problems Fremantle has suffered – repeatedly over a number of seasons, are just a matter of bad luck. Teams that have performed consistently over recent years have all managed the inevitable rolling injury toll. Collingwood, Geelong, St Kilda, Hawthorn, Sydney have played finals in recent years despite various injury concerns. Conditioning, recovery, injury list management, teaching players to monitor their own physical condition, early intervention and rest cycles to prevent injuries escalating: all these are part of the professionalism of a modern football club. This is not to say that Fremantle’s injuries are Harvey’s fault – but failure through injury has happened too often over the past few years for the senior coach to avoid any responsibility.
September 16th 2011 @ 4:00pm
Michael DiFabrizio said | September 16th 2011 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
Hawthorn’s a poor example. They have also missed finals because of injury concerns. Just like Fremantle. Then you’ve also got to remember that Fremantle’s injury concerns weren’t just a typical club with a few banged up players. It was almost unprecedented the number of injuries they had. 23 players weren’t able to play the final game of the season. 23!!! While Freo have suffered injuries in previous years, it was completely different and so much worse this year.
September 16th 2011 @ 10:02am
cory said | September 16th 2011 @ 10:02am | Report comment
About time we got rid of that dud coach Harvey, forgetting this year(because of injuries), he should have done a lot better with the cattle we had in his previous years. Lyon though, i’m not to sure, we are gunna play even uglier football than we already do, should have gone for an attacking coach.
September 16th 2011 @ 10:02am
Chris said | September 16th 2011 @ 10:02am | Report comment
I’m actually OK with this. The Dockers administration clearly has faith in its list and wanted the best possible coach to get the most out of that group of players. They thought Lyon was that person. They offered him a deal and he decided to take it.
If Harvey is as good and well respected as everyone seems to think he is, he won’t have any trouble getting a new coaching position.
The only interesting thing about this is Lyon’s management being cut out of the deal. I wonder if any other coaches/players will look at that and start to wonder what value management actually bring to the table for the 20% of thei deal.
Melbourne are too busy looking at their own problems to be in the game for getting any players/coaches of any worth at the moment. Hardly surprising they got blindsided by this. Which makes the sacking of their coach even more bewildering.
September 16th 2011 @ 10:26am
Shane Richardson said | September 16th 2011 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Clearly the window being now closed at St Kilda compared with the open window at Fremantle would entice any coach who has an ambition to win a flag????? Also, the money being mentioned wouldn’t hurt the negotiation either. The worrying thing if I was a St Kilda supporter is how the list was managed throughout the year if Ross Lyons knew he would not be hanging around after the completion of the season. Also, what of the players delisted, whilst not world beaters the transition into moving forward with a new group over time would demand the services of at least two if not three of them in the short term. I have read a far few forums this morning and see the word Dog or Dog Act come up quite a bit in regards to Ross Lyons being sneaky or underhand in securing a long term future as an AFL coach. Good luck to him, look how many changes have occurred this year alone with coaches being sacked, its a cruel business and very short term if the wins are not on the board. Mark Harvey is being portrayed as the victim in this? Whilst he could not help the injuries his team suffered probably more than any other team he knows how cut throat it is and has to take some responsibility over the fitness of his team and how it is managed. Interesting to see if Ross Lyons will bring the conditioning coach with him from St Kilda. I am sure Essendon will welcome Mark Harvey back in some role if he doesn’t pick up another coaching gig. I think the real question in all of this is the CEO’s of all clubs taking a lot more interest in overseeing that contracts are more cast iron and in the last couple of years of any coaching contract the development of teams and the list are monitored more closely to ensure when this type of change happens the impact will not be as enormous.
September 16th 2011 @ 10:51am
JamesP said | September 16th 2011 @ 10:51am | Report comment
As a Melbourne supporter, I am very disappointed that Melbourne did not try harder to snare Ross. Gary Lyon on the footy show said last night that all they did was speak to his management and said they would be prepared to talk if he was available. That’s soft. We all know he had a get out clause in his contract. Garry Lyon should have drawn up a 5 year $5m deal and thrust it under his nose. Sam Newman started alluding to this last night but was quickly shot down by Gaz. Well, Melbourne bloody well better get a decent coach in next year. No doubt (according to Grant Thomas) the Saints will go after Mick Malthouse (he played for them after all). Not sure how he will go coaching Milnie though
. Let’s see who Melbourne get.
Finally, there is no doubt that Harvey was hard done by. I reckon he should take a year off, enjoy his payout, and look for a senior gig in 2013 back in Melbourne – he will be in high demand.
September 16th 2011 @ 11:27am
Macca said | September 16th 2011 @ 11:27am | Report comment
James – Melb would be much better with a young coach, to me Lyon inherited a good team and got the to play super defensive footy. Melbourne needs more.
September 16th 2011 @ 11:41am
JamesP said | September 16th 2011 @ 11:41am | Report comment
No disagree Macca. I think that Melbourne list is talented but needs to be brought down to earth. I think they need a hard task master, someone who wll show them some discipline. They went with the untried Dean Bailey and it backfired. I would have recommended either Rodney Eade or Lyon. Both are very “defensive” coaches who will ensure that we don’t bleed goals (Exhibit A Essendon style), and will we quick to pull them into line.
September 16th 2011 @ 11:55am
JamesP said | September 16th 2011 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Macca, further to the above, Most commentators have said that Lyon took an average list and almost got them to 2 flags. He is a good coach. The saints did have some genuine superstars (Reiwoldt, Lenny, Nicky Dal, Joey Montagna and BJ), but it quickly fell away from there. Their bottom 6 would be lucky to get a game at any team outside GC and GWS.
September 16th 2011 @ 1:05pm
Macca said | September 16th 2011 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
He is the reason that bottom 6 is so bad, he traded in Dean Polo, Andrew Lovett, Brett Peake etc where are the kids coming through, Geelong has found Menzel, Christensen, Vardy et el who have the Saints got?
On Bailey, look at the list he inherited, absolutely terrible, the Dee’s needed to give him 4-5 years to build a team, they got 3 years through and lost their courage and now they have put themselves back a year.
September 16th 2011 @ 10:53am
stabpass said | September 16th 2011 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Useless bit of trivia ……… “Ross Lyon was also the 10th most talked about topic on Twitter worldwide.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/saints-better-off-without-ross-lyon-molly-meldrun/story-e6frf9jf-1226138269351