All Blacks have won nothing in pool stage
By sesenta y cuatro, 26 Sep 2011 sesenta y cuatro is a Roar Rookie
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So, after thrashing their arch-nemisis France, the All Blacks are all set to finally break their 24-year drought and collect the William Webb Ellis Trophy, are they?
You can read it almost everywhere.
“Is this World Cup done and dusted? Leaving Eden Park, it felt like it” – The Telegraph
“Have we caught an early glimpse of the future world champions? I believe we might” – BBC
“New Zealand underlined their status as World Cup favourites with an emphatic demolition of France” – The Press Association
Now, wait a minute. Aren’t we talking about the All Blacks and the Rugby World Cup here?
Don’t tell me we are still watching pool games, are we? And that the All Blacks looking like the in-form side of the tournament? Again?
I wonder if there must be some kind of mnemo-virus which affects us every four years and makes us delete the treasured memories we learnt last time (after we had sworn we’d take them with us forever).
The reality is that there’s always a big difference between pool games and knockout games (that is not really a discovery of mine) and any knockout games will be different both tactically and in terms of intensity.
Another point that should have the All Blacks and their supporters wary is that the pool games select the eight form sides of the tournament, but nothing more.
Sometimes, Ireland or Wales have been left out of the last eight because of bad form and at others, Ireland has been able to give a fright or two to some hot favourites, but Rugby World Cups are simply not won in the pool stage.
Besides, some teams like England and South Africa usually start slowly their pool games and manage to be at their peak during quarter-finals and semi-finals.
I bet some teams’ best face have yet to be seen and they are not gathering as many praises as the All Blacks are.
I also bet that those teams have come to New Zealand looking for something other than praise.
As good as their victory against France was, the All Blacks and the rugby public should not expect this will automatically take them home.
Any team who hopes to win the tournament in four weeks’ time should expect to face the fiercest opposition, to face what no one has faced for the last four years and possibly without one or two of their star players at some point.
Who’s the better team to do that? I hope it is the All Blacks, but let’s not count chickens before they hatch.
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September 26th 2011 @ 7:50am
thurl said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:50am | Report comment
The Telegraph, BBC and the Press Assoc, yes the pommie press is talking up the All Blacks again. Don’t worry about it, they’ve probably already got their back up pieces written and ready to roll out if it all goes pear shaped again.
The treasured memories still burn bright
September 26th 2011 @ 1:27pm
jokerman said | September 26th 2011 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
This article is from the ego, the unsatisfied self, the complaining mind. A dysfunction of what is…the present moment.
The All Blacks have played very well in their pool games, yet this article is about complaint and moves forward to the future, that being the finals. The annoyance here is the finals do come later, so whether they All Blacks play good or not, this negative article will place the all Blacks into a negative. i.e. “It’s only the pool stage”….then it will be “It’s only a quarter” Then…”It’s only a semi, wait till the final!” If the All Blacks win the final…..that is when the mind shuts up, for a moment, and runs off….and forgets the silly crap it said.
September 26th 2011 @ 3:42pm
Chuck said | September 26th 2011 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
No the aticle will then shift to “they can only win at home let’s see them win on a world cup on the road”
Unfortunately many people will only ever have negative things to say re the All Blacks and they will go to hell and high water to find something negative to say about them.
September 26th 2011 @ 7:06pm
jeremy said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:06pm | Report comment
“they can only win at home let’s see them win on a world cup on the road”….spookily similar to a conversation held at the pub after Saturday’s match.
Even if the ABs won every World Cup for the next 50 years, you’d get the following:
2015 World Cup sledgers – ‘Youse can only win at home’
2019 World Cup sledgers – ‘Youse haven’t even won half the World Cup tournaments yet’
2023 World Cup sledgers – ‘Youse only win half the tournaments, how crap are youse’
2057 Wordl Cup sledgers – ‘Bloody All Blacks bloody well win everything, what can’t youse bastards give the other blokes a bloody chance’
September 27th 2011 @ 12:53pm
chochie said | September 27th 2011 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
But its the truth though….Australia has won two world cups without Home ground advantage….yet NZ has only won a world cup and in their home ground…..i think the sole purpose the IRB held the world cup in NZ was to give NZ the best chance of winning it this time since rugby is treasured in NZ….this is only for the future of the game…NZ has to win….this world cup is centered around the All Blacks in 2011…any ref is supposed to just get them there….
September 27th 2011 @ 2:21pm
peterlala said | September 27th 2011 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Thurl, no-one is talking anyone up, just assessing the state of the competition at the moment. That’s the job of the media.
At the moment, New Zealand probably leads the top-five list; Australia probably doesn’t make the list. That’s not a prediction but a reflection on the games played so far.
So, on paper, the All Blacks are the best. But as former Sydney league coach Warren Ryan loves saying, the game isn’t played on paper, it’s played on the rugby field.
That doesn’t mean analysis is foolish…it means that the future always comes along, and it often re-writes history.
September 26th 2011 @ 7:53am
jeremy said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:53am | Report comment
All Blacks have won nothing in pool stage What, aside from the three games they’ve played?
You can read it almost everywhere. Not in the Melbourne papers, my friend. It’s all about the Storm, the Warriors and the Wallabies. And the three news organisations you quote aren’t from the antipodes, that’s for sure.
September 26th 2011 @ 8:45am
jumpers said | September 26th 2011 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Who are the Storm and Warriors never heard of them? Are they some new KFC chicken to eat!!
September 26th 2011 @ 11:05am
mace22 said | September 26th 2011 @ 11:05am | Report comment
You mightn’t have heard of them but all of nz has and that is all theat matters.
September 26th 2011 @ 7:55am
Rugby Realist said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:55am | Report comment
Thank you. I agree with your article and its nice to keep it in perspective. It was a great performance and occasion but France was never going to win this game. And any talk about demons erased is premature. As I think I have mentioned on another article, these can only be erased by knocking out a team from the cup, not a pool match victory where reward is a tougher draw (although I wouldn’t be comfortable with English a quarter if I was NZ or France.
September 26th 2011 @ 7:45pm
Colin N said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:45pm | Report comment
“although I wouldn’t be comfortable with English a quarter if I was NZ or France.”
I would if I was a Kiwi fan. England simply don’t have the weapons to hurt New Zealand. However, providing England play France, they will probably go in as favourites and justifiably so.
September 26th 2011 @ 8:27am
Kuruki said | September 26th 2011 @ 8:27am | Report comment
The opinion of a few journalist’s who jump on and off the wagon in the blink of an eye, hardly represents the general view of the New Zealand public. To be fair half the journalist’s are not even New Zealander’s.
People need to stop assuming the All Blacks themselves are feeling the same way as the journalist’s who give us an insight into how they think they feel. We all know what is coming in the end stages of this world cup. The question is, for all the world cup history is there a team here that can get up and beat the All Blacks at Eden Park. 26 test matches say not likely. So does history.
September 26th 2011 @ 8:47am
jumpers said | September 26th 2011 @ 8:47am | Report comment
I absolutely agree but perhaps the Boks would be closest to the task although the Boks haven’t won at Fortress Eden Park for 10yrs or more!!
September 26th 2011 @ 8:54am
all7days said | September 26th 2011 @ 8:54am | Report comment
No opposition has in 16 years. It is a small comfort though…
September 26th 2011 @ 10:10am
AJ said | September 26th 2011 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Well said Kuruki, the same things are thrown in Australian’s faces,just as the comments that appear here do not always represent all of Australia.
September 26th 2011 @ 10:14am
Red Chief said | September 26th 2011 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Exactly, but the moment everyone realises this is the moment people will stop reading newspapers and commenting on opinion websites!
September 26th 2011 @ 11:43am
NickF said | September 26th 2011 @ 11:43am | Report comment
History also say that New Zealand haven’t won a World Cup since 1987.
But as we know history means nothing, every hoodoo is to be broken. NZ can win the world cup, and NZ can loose at Eden Park, unlikely but can.
By the way, in 2007 everyone thought the Boks were crap in the pool stages.
September 26th 2011 @ 12:35pm
Denby said | September 26th 2011 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Everybody thought the Springboks & England were crap in 2007. Both teams made the final.
Hoodoos are rubbish. They are statistical quirks, not laws of physics.
The AB’s will probably win the RWC but this has nothing to do with any hoodoo. Every game is played without history. The laws of chance (bounce of the ball, toss of the coin etc), the quality of the players, the home ground advantage and the form of the team are the only factors that have any influence on the game. The actual venue itself has no bearing on the outcome.
September 26th 2011 @ 12:36pm
Jerry said | September 26th 2011 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Who thought the Boks were crap in 07?
September 26th 2011 @ 1:38pm
Riccardo said | September 26th 2011 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
Everyone apparently…
September 26th 2011 @ 6:23pm
Kuruki said | September 26th 2011 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
The venue can have a huge bearing on the outcome. It’s not just coincidence it’s a mental barrier. The Wallabies go into every game at Eden Park knowing not one of them has ever won a match there in the green and gold. There are certain atmosphere’s that bring the best out of teams and Eden park is the place for the All Blacks. It’s the home of Nz Rugby. We own you before the whistle even blows.
September 26th 2011 @ 7:52pm
Rugby realist said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
Springboks were second favourites in 07. Maybe they were criticized for the style of play, but they were an excellent squad beat everything that was put in front of them.
September 26th 2011 @ 10:39pm
liam said | September 26th 2011 @ 10:39pm | Report comment
the 2 journos in the kiwi press making the most noise and the most outrageous claims are reason and bills.
BOTH english scribes who are in nz temporarily for the cup, but somehow writing for the kiwi papers. ridiculous.
all the “french B team” rubbish came directly from one article from bills, for example. what a beatup.
make sure you check the nationality of the journalist AND the comments from fans before you assume the journos represent anything like public sentiment!
September 26th 2011 @ 3:44pm
Chuck said | September 26th 2011 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
History also shows the All Blacks have never lost a World Cup at home, last time I checked the WC is being played in NZ.
History is open to interpretation and much like statistics you can pick and choose parts of history to suit your argument.
September 26th 2011 @ 9:27pm
Gerhard van Lamp said | September 26th 2011 @ 9:27pm | Report comment
Even when they beat England 36-0?
September 26th 2011 @ 8:33am
Mungehead said | September 26th 2011 @ 8:33am | Report comment
We would be utter fools to become complacent just because we beat France in a pool game, however convincingly. And we have been utter fools in the past and paid dearly for it. Let’s hope we take our opposition seriously in the knock-outs, whatever hype may be printed.
September 26th 2011 @ 8:49am
jumpers said | September 26th 2011 @ 8:49am | Report comment
The English press have come out with all this praise. But the ABs are firmly got their tasks at hand and not getting carried away easily. Its one game at a time.
Certainly its going to take a Massive effort from any team to beat the ABs at Fortress Eden Park!!
September 26th 2011 @ 9:07am
winston said | September 26th 2011 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Spot on, its all about winning those knockout games. The France game was a warm up. Damn good one though
September 26th 2011 @ 9:12am
Jerry said | September 26th 2011 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Exactly – in the previous 6 World Cups, guess which is the only team to have never lost a pool match? The one that hasn’t won the WC since 87, that’s who.
Good win, but let’s not get carried away. They’ll have to play much better come semis/final time (on current form, Argentina or Scotland aren’t gonna be too threatening in the 1/4).
September 26th 2011 @ 9:40am
zhenry said | September 26th 2011 @ 9:40am | Report comment
We have had plenty of articles from weird sounding names all exposing NZ ownership. I doubt it, the NZ ownership I mean. The last 4 paras say it for this writer but on the whole negative puff. So the ABs are just looking for praise thats the inference. I said at beginning of WC that the ABs would have to fight this one alone; no support from the AU owned NZ media, those headlines of euphoria come from ‘that source’.
September 26th 2011 @ 11:44am
Cliff (Bishkek) said | September 26th 2011 @ 11:44am | Report comment
Oh — you are so bl….dy booooooooooooooring
September 26th 2011 @ 11:46am
NickF said | September 26th 2011 @ 11:46am | Report comment
I can’t see any influence from the AU owned NZ media in Taine Randells “opinion” piece today.
September 26th 2011 @ 3:37pm
jacko said | September 26th 2011 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
he was quick on the “slag quade” bandwagon wasn’t he? Perhaps he didn’t get round to reading the paper until last Friday (or he cant read perhaps).. even stu wilson (who I usually have a bit of respect for) beat him to the bandwagon. are these blokes a tad slow or something?
and here was me thinking only the only southern hemisphere rugby ijit was campo – I now stand corrected!
September 26th 2011 @ 12:10pm
Chuck said | September 26th 2011 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Same old spiel different thread, as I have said many times zhenry the AU owned NZ media have no say whatsoever in what is printed in NZ.
September 26th 2011 @ 6:36pm
Ralph said | September 26th 2011 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
Wake up from dream land Chuck.
Take a surf on stuff then go over to smh and see how much of it is sent straight across the ditch. Fairfax have been steadily sacking local NZ journos for years.
Not that we’re special, it will happen slowly but surely to local Aussie journalism as well. It’s just costs saving as media companies go through their industry consolidation.
But you’re asleep if you think it’s not happening.
September 26th 2011 @ 7:16pm
Chuck said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:16pm | Report comment
I can tell you exactly now that Fairfax does not dictate what we print and how do I know?
I work in the dam industry and for a company opwned by fairfax, they do not and have not tried to influence anything that we print. Yes storys are shared as many media outlets do, you will also find most media corporations papers, tv and radio have agreements in place where information is shared.
They do not and I repeat DO NOT tell us what we can and can not put to print!!!
Get a clue ralph because its very clear you and zhenry have none whatsoever
September 26th 2011 @ 7:20pm
Ralph said | September 26th 2011 @ 7:20pm | Report comment
Don’t fret Chuck, you’ll be out of a job in few years anyway – and they’ll still give full editorial control to the one sheep that’s left representing the free New Zealand press.
September 27th 2011 @ 6:06pm
Chuck said | September 27th 2011 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
So you get shot down and that is all you can come up with you immature little child.
September 26th 2011 @ 12:43pm
Denby said | September 26th 2011 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
If you are referring to either Fairfax, Packer or Murdoch, NZ is a miniscule fraction of their income, which is all they really care about. Those guys care more about their morning coffee than what is being printed in the NZ sports press.
September 27th 2011 @ 8:26pm
zhenry said | September 27th 2011 @ 8:26pm | Report comment
Ownership influence is an established fact. I have gone into great detail at various times on this site to back up my assertions. Like Murdoch before them some journalists will deny point blank ownership influence. Either they agree with the editor’s line and don’t notice or they are just plain naive. Murdoch has now publically admitted it and Fairfax is no different. Not often will you be told what to write but journalists in our advertising based system know what is acceptable and what is not, its called self censorship. Of course opposing opinions are expressed but there is the prevailing line, and if you think the AU owners of the NZ media are not interested in what NZers think or what the NZRU is about and how its decisions will effect the ARU you are conveniently blind.
September 26th 2011 @ 10:21am
Matt F said | September 26th 2011 @ 10:21am | Report comment
Like almost all the world cups it seems that this tournament is the All Blacks’ to lose. Though history suggests that they can do just that.
It is foolish to vall the winner so soon. The nature of tournaments like these is that all it takes is one bad performance in the knock out stages and you depart. Just like how the team who tops the table in NRL/AFL/Super 15/A-League etc doesn’t nescessarily win the GF.
That doesn’t mean that the All Blacks aren’t the best team in the competition. If the All Blacks play at 100% in every match they will win the tournament, but that’s very difficult to do and history shows that they can’t seem to keep up their group stage form.