Decent weather, running rugby, hope for Wallabies
By Spiro Zavos, 28 Sep 2011 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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I received an email from a friend telling me that he’d been given a ticket to the Rugby World Cup final. “Let’s hope it stops raining,” he noted. Well, the good news is that for the last round of pool matches, the weather has turned.
I walked around Wellington in almost summer conditions. Tongans looking forward to the weekend match against France were having parties everywhere.
The All Blacks trained before big crowds who were virtually sunning themselves after a couple of weeks of rain at Waitangi Park in downtown Wellington.
The golden weather was shining throughout the nation. The effect on the rugby was obvious.
Japan and Canada played out a wonderful match at Napier which was full of abrasive running and fierce tackling.
The match seemed locked up for Japan with minutes to play and a 10-point lead. But the Canadians are a gritty side. They stormed through for a try. And then forced a successful penalty goal.
There was time left for a series of Japanese assaults and a missed drop at goal before Jonathan Kaplan blew the full-time whistle.
There is no doubt in my mind that the fine day and dry field was an important factor in this exciting and well-played match.
It has been my contention that the wet weather in the opening weeks of the RWC tournament told against the performances of some of the teams in their early matches.
The most crucial match in this context was, of course, the Australia-Ireland match.
Ireland played a perfect, restricted, middle-of-the-field tactical match.
The Wallabies tried to play their running and chip and chase game. The backs couldn’t hold their feet while they tried to make outside breaks and were easy picking for the Irish defenders.
Ireland, themselves, had faced the same circumstances in their opening match in wet conditions at New Plymouth against the USA.
It seems a long time ago now and most people have forgotten the score line, 22 – 10 for Ireland. The crucial factor here is that Ireland did not win a bonus point against the United States.
This lapse, forced more by the conditions than by bad play, leaves Ireland slightly vulnerable when they play Italy on Sunday. The Italians in fine conditions at Nelson (the sunniest part of New Zealand generally) scored a bonus point win against a tough USA side.
The Italian scrum was able to gain traction on the hard, dry surface. This scrum dominance, as in so many other matches in the tournament for other strong scrumming sides, created the opportunities to force tries at close quarters.
It also enabled Italy to win a penalty try from a 5-metre scrum after the USA, once again, were concertinaed by one of the best scrumming pack in the tournament.
This victory gives Italy the slightest chance of getting through to the finals if they defeat Ireland at the enclosed stadium at Dunedin.
The five-day turnaround, though, should tell against Italy, just as it will against Samoa in their match on Friday against South Africa, after playing a tough match last Friday against Fiji.
One of the features of the tournament, aside from the fact that the quick turn-around teams have not fared well, is that scrum power has been more effective than lineout power, the opposite to what happened in RWC 2007.
Wales, Italy, New Zealand, South Africa, Samoa and England have all based strong wins on their power scrumming.
It was terrible conditions, too, that have prevented Scotland from making the finals, in my opinion.
Although superior in the backs to Argentina for most of the match and enjoying field position for long periods of time, Scotland were just unable to get their backs finishing off breaks in the mud and wet. I reckon that on a dry day Scotland would have won this match easily.
The Pumas, like Ireland against Australia, played a restricted negative but smart match in the conditions. They hung on even when it seemed they were out of contention.
Winger Lucas Gonzalez scored a memorable try sliding betewen Scottish defenders who couldn’t get set in the slippery conditions to make a tackle. Felipe Contepomi converted the try.
Scotland will need to defeat England by a large margin to make good this loss. This is unlikely. Historically Scotland have only won 42 Tests against England, while England have defeated Scotland 86 times.
In this tournament, too, England have played most of their matches in the closed stadium at Dunedin. They have been able to play ensemble rugby that is invariably beyond them on the wet fields they usually play on.
The match against Scotland is being played at Eden Park on Saturday. The weather forecast is for a fine day. England with their strong wingers and an exciting running fullback in Ben Foden should have the advantage in this match.
On Sunday we had what was supposed to be the glamour match of the tournament with Samoa playing Fiji at Eden Park which was packed out with 60,000 spectators.
The match was a dour encounter for most of the match as drizzling rain made handling and running difficult. Towards the end of the match, the rain cleared and play opened up.
Samoa got their victory. They play South Africa at Eden Park on Sunday.
The Springboks have been able to play some expansive rugby in this tournament, aside from their first match in the wet against Wales.
A dry field, though, will suit Samoa more than the Springboks in that the big Samoan backs should be able to get the sort of traction they need to launch the kind of attacks that monstered the Wallabies a couple of months ago.
In my opinion, the Wallabies are the one top tier that is most affected when conditions are wet and slippery.
They do not have a dominant scrum, and this failing is accentuated on a wet day when players find it hard to get their footing in the shoving match of the scrum. There are more scrums, too, because of handling errors.
But when it’s fine the brilliant Wallaby backs can carve up any side.
The latest long range forecast is for fine weather into next week with temperatures rising to the mid-20s which is regarded as hot at this time of the year in New Zealand. But, according to the forecasters, there is some more bad weather coming up for the finals.
As Mark Twain once remarked: “Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it.”
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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September 28th 2011 @ 3:47am
Ben S said | September 28th 2011 @ 3:47am | Report comment
The wet weather can’t be blamed for the Scottish loss. The Scottish have a good scrum, a gargantuan pack, and a very good kicker in Dan Parks. What they don’t have is a backline capable of scoring tries, so why select the fly half more suited for dry track, Jackson, leaving Parks on the bench? Robinson has totally failed to develop the Scottish attack beyond schoolboy level, and his selections are as bad as they were when he was England coach.
September 28th 2011 @ 5:51am
kiwidave said | September 28th 2011 @ 5:51am | Report comment
I would have thought the scots would have some experience playing in those sort of conditions as well.
September 28th 2011 @ 7:43am
Seiran said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Robinson was a shocking coach for England. I still don’t understand why Scotland hired the guy.
September 28th 2011 @ 10:34am
Uncle Argyle said | September 28th 2011 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Hi Ben
hope you are enjoying the rugby. Mate i thought Wayne BArnes was appaling in the game. He missed countless times Argentian would enter from the side of the ruck. He even picked up on it once and called it a knock forward by Scotland and warned the Argentine player, but the knock on was caused by the player infringing? Go figure. As for their tight head rolling in yes the Scottish loose head gets penaslised???? When Parks goes for field goal Contemponi and co are nearly in his pocket, Mike Blair did not have his hands on the ball for that long they were a yard off side. Scotland should have won the game but Barnes had a shocker!
September 29th 2011 @ 4:32am
Ben S said | September 29th 2011 @ 4:32am | Report comment
I only caught the second half, Uncle Argyle, as I was working. IMO there’s no way that the game should have even been that close as Scotland have a pack equally as good as Englands, and a kicker in Parks who is a far greater percentage kicker than Wilkinson. Barnes may or may not have been to blame, but IMHO the match shouldn’t have been that close. Argentina are not a great side by any stretch of the imagination.
September 28th 2011 @ 4:41pm
mace22 said | September 28th 2011 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
Sounds like he’s looking for an excuse why australia lost to Ireland. Just mix it in with a few other games, now doesn’t sound like whinning. Good teams ajust to the conditions. By his reasoning the all blacks shouldn’t be able to play in dry weather because it always rains in New zealand.
September 28th 2011 @ 4:49pm
Mike said | September 28th 2011 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
Actually, he didn’t write anything remotely like that.
September 29th 2011 @ 12:58pm
Rugby Diehard said | September 29th 2011 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
and he’s a kiwi
September 28th 2011 @ 4:09am
ny ben said | September 28th 2011 @ 4:09am | Report comment
This is New Zealand, there is no way we are getting three dry weekends in a row for the finals. If it is wet against the Boks we are done. fingers crossed for an Italy upset this weekend. Can not believe deans may play Samo on the wing on the weekend…..if he pulls a hammy Im going to be upset. Really like the look of barnes at 12. I hope they go and get Robinson or Waugh to replace Palu.
September 28th 2011 @ 12:47pm
p.Tah said | September 28th 2011 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
If Samo plays on the wing, the Russians will kick around him all day. Takes a few more seconds for a bloke that big to turn and chase. We’ll be hugely exposed on that wing.
September 28th 2011 @ 1:38pm
Handles O Love said | September 28th 2011 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
He will stand at 10 on defence – Cooper’s slot.
September 28th 2011 @ 2:00pm
p.Tah said | September 28th 2011 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
good point, lets hope we don’t spill the ball on attack…
September 28th 2011 @ 5:18am
Moaman said | September 28th 2011 @ 5:18am | Report comment
Spiro,Spiro Spiro. I am shaking my head here……You say your received an email from a friend saying “Let’s hope it stops raining ” . You use words like “terrible” and “mud” to describe games/conditions. “mud” at Wellington’s Caketin????? You state that Ireland failed to secure a bonus point against USA -”This lapse, forced more by the conditions than by bad play” .We are not back in the 60s when grounds did become bogs during winter and books like “Mud in your eye” were inspired.Over the last couple of decades..a lot of work has gone into the main stadia around the country-with particular emphasis on drainage.Eden Park is not the same as 1975 when BG Williams swan-dived into the in-goal area (v Scotland) and Wellington is not the arena where the ABs belted Australia 43-6? and jerseys were almost indistinguishable.When it rains at these places today…..the surface gets wet and the ball becomes a bit slippery.Teams should be able to cope and adjust.I’m absolutely certain that Scottish and Irish players have played in worse conditions.
Furthermore….most of the matches I have seen have been played in good conditions.Admittedly,TV can make a ground which is gloomy in reality appear reasonably bright…but my contention is that many(the majority) of the 40 odd games so far have been played on dry grounds.
September 28th 2011 @ 8:15am
Pot Hale said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:15am | Report comment
You may be right about the majority of the games played (31 so far) being on dry grounds, Moaman. But I know all of Ireland’s ones have been in the rain, including the one against Australia. Like a lot of teams, wet weather doesn’t suit the Irish game either as Spiro pointed out in his article – although I think the brilliant tenacity of defence by the US in their opening game on 9/11 anniversary had a big part to play too in the final result.
Yes of course, Ireland and Scotland have played in worse conditions, it doesn’t mean the rugby was free and flowing on those occasions either. For Australia’s inability to cope in poor weather, I think the Munster v Australia game in howling winds and driving rain in Limerick is more apt.
As I’ve said elsewhere on the Roar, the missed bonus point against USA is a complete red herring. First because the running assumption was that Ireland and Italy would both lose to Australia. So Ireland’s Shock Upset Victory meant they lost out on 1 bonus point against USA and gained 4 match points against Australia and prevented Wallabies getting even a losing bonus point. That’s a mark on the credit side in my book.
They always knew they would have to win their match against Italy, whatever the result against Australia. If they can’t beat them, they don’t deserve to go through to the quarters. Simple as that.
September 28th 2011 @ 3:30pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
Federa vs Nadal. French open, clay. Perfect conditions for both?
Federa vs Nadal Wimbledon, grass. Perfect conditions for both?
Maybe you get it…..maybe you don’t.
September 29th 2011 @ 2:51am
Pot Hale said | September 29th 2011 @ 2:51am | Report comment
Do explain, jokerman.
September 29th 2011 @ 2:35pm
jokerman said | September 29th 2011 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
Pot Hale, you stated, regarding a fast track (Great conditions) this…”It’s an advantage to both these teams.”
Now that is not correct is it? Is the clay an even advantage to Federa, when playing Nadal even though they are playing on the same surface? No. Is the Grass an Advantage to Nadal? Not really when he is playing Federa, as that is federas preferred surface…
Sadly Pot hale you won’t get this…your mind will not allow you to get it. By doing so, your mind would have to say….hmm perhaps I got that wrong….and it won’t allow that.
Finally the egoic mind will always defend and react…find a new angle, a new way…..always, never ending in its dysfunction…..hence, the conversation with you stops here. If you could be authentically you….and respond from an open prospective, your heart, I would be surprised but enlightened.
September 28th 2011 @ 6:30am
B said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:30am | Report comment
“big crowds who were virtually sunning themselves after a couple of weeks of rain”
A couple of weeks of rain??? I don’t know which Wellington you’re in Spiro, but the Wellington I live in certainly hasn’t had a couple of weeks of rain, nor the rest of NZ for that matter.
Seriously, some Australians really need to get over the whole NZ/rain cliche, because there are a hell of a lot of league, rugby and football games I see played in Sydney or Brisbane or Melbourne in rainy conditions.
A World Cup winner will play good rugby in any conditions. It’s as simple as that.
September 28th 2011 @ 6:47am
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:47am | Report comment
A long rambling excuse piece for Australia. It was the weather’s fault. So many lines of logic disappearing up their own backsides, contradictions and even invention (mud? really?). Look Spiro, Australia lost because Deans and the coaching staff were naive to the Irish threat and the players weren’t good enough to adapt. It really is that simple.
September 28th 2011 @ 7:51am
Seiran said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:51am | Report comment
‘ the players weren’t good enough to adapt.’
Isn’t that what he was saying with ‘Wallabies are the one top tier that is most affected when conditions are wet and slippery. They do not have a dominant scrum, and this failing is accentuated on a wet day when players find it hard to get their footing in the shoving match of the scrum.’
It seems to me he pointing out that the Wallabies cannot adapt to the wet because they have a weak scrum.
And this article is far from a ‘ long rambling excuse piece for Australia’. The article is mostly about other rugby nations, rather than Australia.
Seems to me you are just looking for a morning excuse to have a troll at the Wallabies, irrelevant of the article content.
September 28th 2011 @ 8:03am
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Seiran, have a look at some of the posts either side of me. I guess we’re all ‘trolling’ are we. Or maybe we have some legitimate complaint. Just maybe.
And re my comment around adaption, i wasn’t referring to failing to adapt to the wet; nor was i limiting this failing to scrum time.
September 28th 2011 @ 8:24am
Seiran said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:24am | Report comment
ChrisT, none of the comments either side of yours acuse the article of being an’ excuse piece for Australia’, which it clearly isn’t.
Only yours.
September 28th 2011 @ 8:37am
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Seiran, you’re quite right, they don’t use those words. But they do disagree with assumptions and conclusions in Spiro’s article. I think you’re getting confused. I’m not ‘trolling’ the Wallabies as you accuse – I’m disagreeing with the article’s author and questioning his motive for penning it. It really is OK to do that, as it is for you to do the same with me.
September 29th 2011 @ 10:13am
soapit said | September 29th 2011 @ 10:13am | Report comment
“questioning his motive for penning it”
which no one else is doing. they are sticking to the points raised in the article itself.
maybe you could take the time to write an article for us to read and comment on. you’ll see it takes a bit more effort than posting comments on other peoples work.
September 28th 2011 @ 9:33am
Harry said | September 28th 2011 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Here we go, another Kiwi calling for sackcloth and ashes all round … yes Australia has deficiencies and weaknesses, everyone on this site is aware of them. Yes we were beaten fair and square by Ireland in conditions tailor-made for them when we lost two of our best forwards on the eve of the game, and our lack of depth was exposed. Yes our number 10 is erratic, has to be hidden in defence and sometimes makes bad onfield decisions.
BUT … IF we get past SA in the quarters and get to play you guys with a relatively injury free lineup on a dry night, with a rabid pro-Kiwi crowd somewhat diluted by all the corporate types from around the world, then we have a very good chance.
September 28th 2011 @ 9:45am
Riccardo said | September 28th 2011 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Harry, steady Bro. We Kiwis are entitled like anyone in this forum to constructively comment. After all we wear the dreaded “Choker” moniker. And to put it bluntly your own spiel supports what Chris says.
As to your immaculate alignment of all variables in the last paragraph; well Harry, that’s a mighty big IF.
Should be a hell of a game against the Boks who are looking ominous. They may be coming to their senses having Smit starting on the Bench. Some smart positional realignment too with the Steyn paring in the middle. I reckon they’ll be hard for either the Wallabies or the AB’s to stop if they continue to hit their straps…
September 28th 2011 @ 10:06am
Harry said | September 28th 2011 @ 10:06am | Report comment
It is indeed a big IF … but you know us Australian types, all it takes is one good performance and we’ll be strutting around full of confidence pre-semi.
Our quarter is going to be a hell of a game … apart from 03, Saffa’s have a great RWC record and they are going to be very hard to beat for sure. Lets see how they go against Samoa tomorrow and see what shape they reach the quarters in.
I have said from the start that NZ’s bigget challenge is probably going to be at the semi stage. You’ll probably have the Argies in the quarters and they will at least keep you honest for an hour I’d hope. No doubt you lot will be hoping for an extra time slugfest in the green and gold quarter game.
September 28th 2011 @ 10:09am
Riccardo said | September 28th 2011 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Extra Extra time Harry!
September 28th 2011 @ 9:47am
Pierce said | September 28th 2011 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Don’t think Chris is a Kiwi mate. Or are you referring to Spiro?
September 28th 2011 @ 9:55am
Harry said | September 28th 2011 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Both actually. Spiro was suggesting that Quade Cooper call a press conference to apologise to the people of New Zealand at the start of the week …
September 28th 2011 @ 6:09pm
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
Been called a few things in my life ….but never a kiwi …..cripes ….
September 28th 2011 @ 6:54am
Damo said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:54am | Report comment
It costs nothing to be nice, Chris.
September 28th 2011 @ 7:25am
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Or logical, balanced and accurate Damo.
September 28th 2011 @ 8:34am
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Chris, Spiro talks about the weather relating to the game, this aspect. And I would agree some teams adapt better, and some teams have an advantage due to their playing style and their conditions they are used to back at home.
Australia really do suit a fast track. Their backs are dangerous and they excel on a fast ground. Their forwards are more vulnerable on a wet surface. Ireland do know that the Australians will struggle more than them on a wet surface, so it is an advantage to them. A fast track, an advantage to Australia.
The outcome of the game in not created by this. It’s one aspect, though a fairly big foundation for the result when you have two even sides.
September 28th 2011 @ 8:50am
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Jokerman, I agree, it’s an aspect – but it’s an over played one. The reality is most teams excel on a fast track (perversely often those that fashionably are claimed not to like England) and any claim that Australia are significantly more hamstrung by the lack of one simply doesn’t hold water (sorry, couldn’t resist that one) as has been proven over the years. There were many more and arguably far bigger factors behind the Wallabies struggling against the Irish.
September 28th 2011 @ 11:19am
Pot Hale said | September 28th 2011 @ 11:19am | Report comment
If Ireland had a fast track for the game, they might have scored tries to go with the penalties.
It’s an advantage to both these teams.
What playing style do you assume Ireland have? Pursuing penalties with a forwards-oriented game?
12 months ago, they didn’t have a forward pack to counter anyone.
Despite that, they scored twice in each of their games against SA, NZ, Samoa and Arg in the Autumn Internationals. They outscored both France and England 3 tries to one in the 6 Nations. And France 3 tries to one in one of their warm-up matches. They lost their 6 Nations matches on giving away too many penalties, not winning them.
They gave them away in the Australia match too, just the Wallabies gave up more. Both Ireland and Wallabies have very good defences – no real surprise that no tries were scored.
September 28th 2011 @ 2:58pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
Let’s put balance to this. The conditions are the same for everyone. Of course perfect conditions are going to be perfect for you, but this isn’t a time race, you have an opposition to contend with.
Ireland if they were to practice only, and be measured by this, yes, they would choose perfect conditions.
Ireland with an opposing team facing them, who have the exact same conditions as them, will prefer a foundation that gives them an advantage….in Ireland’s case, wet conditions to suit their conservative game plan, and dull the flair of the Australian backs.
Still don’t get this pot hale? If you didn’t have opposition and you were measured by performance, pace, no errors etc, at a grand slam tennis open, you would choose Wimbledon for the pace, and give in the court. But if you had opposition, someone like Nadal would choose the French clay.
Angre Agassi had an advantage when playing in Melbourne with the hot conditions as he was from Las Vegas, very desert like. Do you get it??? Or do you say everyone plays better in cooler conditions…?! Ahhh this is basic surly…!?
September 28th 2011 @ 6:00pm
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:00pm | Report comment
Jokerman, I go back to my earlier point and I think it’s contained in Pot’s answer too. The dry track advantage claimed by people like Spiro is well over played. If it was dry would the Irish still have been in the Wallabies faces – yes. If it was dry would the same pressure still be put on Genia & Cooper and would they both still be suspect under it – yes. If it was dry would the Irish pack still be smarter and Alexander found out – yes. If it was dry would the Wallaby midfield still fall sucker to the stand up tackle and turn it over – yes. If it was dry would people like Beale still think the chip kick worthwhile – yes. If it was dry, would it be easier through the hands for backs –yes, for both sides ….and so on.
And the tennis analogy – just doesn’t work. It’s a completely different game see. Basic, surely.
September 28th 2011 @ 6:02pm
Mike said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
Translation – weather has no effect whatsoever.
A nonsensical position.
September 28th 2011 @ 6:11pm
ChrisT said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:11pm | Report comment
Lost in translation – the weather has an affect, it’s a question of how much on each side.
September 29th 2011 @ 3:29am
Pot Hale said | September 29th 2011 @ 3:29am | Report comment
Jokerman –
“in Ireland’s case, wet conditions to suit their conservative game plan, and dull the flair of the Australian backs”
What conservative game plan are you referring to? One that they employed specifically against Australia, or one that you think they employ generally?
September 29th 2011 @ 11:01am
jokerman said | September 29th 2011 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Pot Hale, I give you a succinct answer and you focus on some other little area. That is what the mind does, politicians do this also, because they cannot handle being wrong, hence they defend their position at all costs, in your case going onto a side issue….I said this to you before….it’s the fate of the ego. Defend at all times…sometimes like its life depends on it.
I doubt you will change your position matter what….that’s your ego you see….defending defending…..Because deep down it feels insecure. It’s the insecure self.
September 29th 2011 @ 2:56pm
jokerman said | September 29th 2011 @ 2:56pm | Report comment
Pot hale, my words seem a bit harsh. I just got fustrated at trying to illustract my point, and for it not to be understood. perhaps you just didnt get it, or agree? If so…..my rant about your ego…is probably not needed.
Really, at the end of the day, who cares about a playing surface?!!!! Peace.
September 28th 2011 @ 9:39am
Damo said | September 28th 2011 @ 9:39am | Report comment
I look forward to that post one day Chris. Especially the balanced bit
September 28th 2011 @ 7:04pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:04pm | Report comment
Chris T, I thought I was reading a poor song, with the lyrics going over and over….but it was just your post. I think you should take a nap and head to the Etha!
September 29th 2011 @ 6:18pm
jokerman said | September 29th 2011 @ 6:18pm | Report comment
Etha is the spiritual realm, or the Samoan physio. Depends who you speak too.
September 28th 2011 @ 3:17pm
ThelmaWrites said | September 28th 2011 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Or the accurate bit.
In another thread, you say (I quote): “Oh, the last point …Touche!!” , concuring with Ben S’s “Have you ever overheard anybody discussing whether you could produce worthwhile new research in quantum physics?” at the end of an indignant post,
There is evidence from a group in Europe that the neutrino apparently has the speed of light, which turns Einstein’s theory of relativity on its head. An American group will conduct their own tests.
You don’t call “Touche!!” trolling?
September 28th 2011 @ 3:23pm
ThelmaWrites said | September 28th 2011 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
Oops,. the neutrino has speeds GREATER than the speed of light..,
September 28th 2011 @ 3:29pm
Mike said | September 28th 2011 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Glad you wrote that, Thelma. I could never have followed Rugby again if I thought the neutrino was going to get burned off at traffic lights by photons…
September 28th 2011 @ 5:24pm
ThelmaWrites said | September 28th 2011 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
September 28th 2011 @ 6:41pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
Really? Faster than the speed of light? I have my doubts. Einstein of course, did say you could not go faster than the speed of light, but if you could…you would effectively engage in time travel. Why embark on something that cannot occur….? Perhaps, he wondered, by theory, that maybe, somehow, it could be applied. I believe he died embarking on this project (I think..)
Is the neutrino the missing piece? I actually don’t know what a neutrino is, but if it is faster than the speed of light then I would like to know!
September 28th 2011 @ 6:44pm
Mike said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
Jokerman,
You and Thelma are getting me confused. I thought Neutrino played inside centre for Benetton Treviso.
Italian centres can be pretty fast….
September 28th 2011 @ 6:53pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
Oh this is my theory on it. I have gone faster than the speed of light, and remembered. In the Etha.
There is the physical dimension (Earth, stars above.) There is the Etha. A spiritual plane. One dimension has relativity and laws (Earth, stars above.) The Etha is free of time and the relativity.
I could go on, but the post would be too long. I will say that when you can start to master the Etha plane, which has no boundaries, then you can perhaps apply that into the Earth sphere.
September 28th 2011 @ 6:55pm
Mike said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:55pm | Report comment
Etha is the physio for Samoa…
September 28th 2011 @ 6:59pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 6:59pm | Report comment
mike, sounds like a title for a film “You and Thelma” Lead character would be Neutrino. A hot, fast, shooting star, kinda guy. I will play him! (I’m wishing bro)
September 28th 2011 @ 7:22pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
Wow this is pretty cool Thelma…..news on the net…
“The reason a lot of physicists are very unmoved by these claims is that it could make causality itself very problematic,” Galison said. In other words, it raises the prospect of time travel.”
I’m going back to the future!!!! All Blacks win this RWC by the way….
September 28th 2011 @ 8:01pm
ThelmaWrites said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:01pm | Report comment
I would find these all amusing
if they weren’t off-tangent from the original subject of “trolling”.
September 28th 2011 @ 8:40pm
jokerman said | September 28th 2011 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
Time travel, Neutrino’s seem more interesting then trolling. who was the troll? Anti Christ? (Chris T)
September 28th 2011 @ 7:13am
Muzza said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:13am | Report comment
A fairly waste of space article. Both teams face the same conditions so really it comes down to which team handles them better. Boo hoo if they don`t.
September 28th 2011 @ 7:17am
Darwin Stubby said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:17am | Report comment
Isn’t rugby a winter game ? and surely the question to be asked is why hold training camps on the gold coast for a w/cup in NZ at this time – just dumb preparation
September 28th 2011 @ 11:05am
jeznez said | September 28th 2011 @ 11:05am | Report comment
A mistake that has been made before DS (before Northern hemisphere world cups). The Wallabies should have a training base down in Launceston to prepare for situations like this. Much more efficient than running the hoses on the field up at the Gold Coast.
September 28th 2011 @ 7:33am
Sam Cash said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:33am | Report comment
Wet weather is unlikely to hurt the ABs. In fact, it could be a help. Invariably they win when playing in poor conditions, with the forwards playing a much tighter game, keeping the ball tight, driving, with a good kicking halfback. Think back through bad weather tests involving the ABs from Cape Town to Wellington and they tend to come up trumps.
September 28th 2011 @ 7:45am
Riccardo said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Spiro, I am disappointed.
I can accept there is a limited impact but the moisture we’re talking about is not much more than the dew factor at night when drainage of the modern day Stadium is accounted for. Further, most, if not all teams have had the same disadvantage.
I agree with Chris that Dingo and the Wallabies were over confident and ill-prepared going into the match against the Irish and once they were on the back foot they never recovered; I think you’ll find this is not an uncommon theme for this brilliant but erratic side.
If the Scottish were so disadvantaged by the conditions, then why was Gonzalez able to step like a gazelle through the pathetic Scottish defence to score the clincher?
As a Kiwi I can guarantee you there will be more wet weather before this tournament ends and it will be the adpatable and therefore more complete Teams who will be able to take advantage of this fairly innocuous phenomina.
September 28th 2011 @ 7:51am
baruugh said | September 28th 2011 @ 7:51am | Report comment
What, Wallabies over confident? Now I’ve heard everything!