Jake backs Boks to go all the way
By Jim Morton, 6 Oct 2011
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World Cup-winning coach Jake White believes only a fool would rate Australia favourites to beat South Africa in Sunday’s quarter-final blockbuster.
Four years on from guiding the Springboks to the Webb Ellis Cup, White says his former team have the Wallabies covered for form, experience, bench impact and fully-fit personnel.
The new Brumbies coach also believes South Africa have the game best suited to handle Wellington’s wet and wild weather conditions, and should go all the way.
Springboks skipper John Smit this week claimed Australia had the mental edge through winning their two Tri Nations Tests, while Australian bookmakers have the Wallabies slight $1.85 favourites.
But White said Smit, under selection pressure from Bismarck du Plessis, was playing mind games in order to benefit from underdog status.
“They play a lot better with the underdog tag,” he told AAP.
“They have the feeling it will bring out the best of the group.
“The reality is Australia have a lot of players who are coming back from injury and they lost a game at the World Cup already.
“Anyone who understands rugby will know the Boks must be favourites.
“They are second in the world, they have winning momentum and have got 16 or 17 players who have won a World Cup playing in the tournament knowing exactly what is expected of them.
“Experience is a massive factor. When we look at the history of World Cups it’s the teams that have been there and done that that gives you that added value.”
Australia, the youngest squad at the tournament, have yet to produce a strong 80-minute pool performance and were upset 15-6 by Ireland, while the Boks have closed out two tense affairs against Wales and Samoa and smashed Fiji and Namibia.
The inconsistent Wallabies also have been disrupted through injuries, especially to key men David Pocock, Digby Ioane and Kurtley Beale, and are less dangerous in the wet.
With New Zealand battling the loss of playmaker Dan Carter, White, controversially replaced by Peter de Villiers after the 2007 World Cup, felt the Boks were in the best shape to defend their crown.
“South Africa, as world champions, with the most experienced group of players and having 29 of their 30 players fit and available must be favourites to win all three games going home,” he said.
Adding to the pressure on de Villiers, who will name his team on Thursday morning, he is faced with a huge decision on whether to keep Smit as run-on hooker.
South African journalists are quietly predicting the colourful coach will drop a bombshell by dumping his captain in favour of in-form Bismarck du Plessis.
White indicated the timing of a decision which could potentially derail the campaign could not be worse after de Villiers kept Smit in the job all season despite his Sharks teammate’s superior form.
“I don’t think he knows what he’s going to do at the moment and I don’t want to help him make that decision,” he said. “I would like him to have this decision on his own.
“There’s no easy way out.”
If Smit is dropped, lock Victor Matfield would assume the captaincy but fellow veteran Schalk Burger on Wednesday expected the “status quo” would remain.
Burger, though, downplayed the Boks greater experience as a factor.
“If we win on Sunday it will probably be put down to ‘experience’, and if we lose it will probably come down to ‘age’ – it doesn’t matter,” he said.
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October 6th 2011 @ 7:08am
johnny-boy said | October 6th 2011 @ 7:08am | Report comment
Jake Jake Jake – I could swear you were positioning yourself for the Springbok job once PDV fails yeah
October 6th 2011 @ 7:43am
ny ben said | October 6th 2011 @ 7:43am | Report comment
I hope the wallabies have this story on their chane room wall. It looks like it’s going to be dry. They have smit starting Whig means the wallabies will have parity in the scrum to start the match and the boks played terrible against Wales and Samoa. If it is remotely dry and the forecast says it will be the wallabies know how to play this big old bok forwards and that is side to side width an speed.
Wallabies by 15
October 6th 2011 @ 7:56am
johnny-boy said | October 6th 2011 @ 7:56am | Report comment
But Ben dont be surprised if the Boks come out and play width, just to surprise the Wallabies
October 6th 2011 @ 8:51am
Seiran said | October 6th 2011 @ 8:51am | Report comment
I highly doubt their will be parity. The boks scrum is looking strong and the wallabies scrum hasn’t improved at all this year.
The game will go one of two ways. Either it will be very, very close with the Boks drop goaling their way to a win, or the wallabies will make some breaks early in the first half and run away with a try fest.
Should be the best match of the tournament.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:11am
mike said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:11am | Report comment
“Should be the best match of the tournament.”
I wouldn’t go that far.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:22am
stillmatic1 said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:22am | Report comment
werent you criticising Jerry in another thread for shooting down other peoples posts, whilst not commenting on the rugby!? just checking. and whilst your at it being a hypocrite, could you say why it shouldnt be the best match of the tournament?
or wouldnt you go that far?
and yes, i am Jerry’s roar bodyguard!!
and there have been many reasons posted why this game “should” be the best match of the tournament. the other that i am looking for is the passion and atmosphere of the england/france match. irrespective of the points scored.
October 6th 2011 @ 10:52am
peterlala said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Australia has already played the match of the tournament — against Ireland.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:35am
ohtani's jacket said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:35am | Report comment
There are two mikes around here and neither is willing to relinquish the title.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:35pm
Mike said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
True.
I think there may actually be three. There is ‘mike’ above, and I am ‘Mike’ but I have seen some posts by another Mike also.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:36pm
TembaVJ said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
How do you know 3rd Mike is not 2nd Mike… Mike?
October 6th 2011 @ 1:42pm
Mike said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
*LOL* Fair question Temba!
On another note, are you feeling confident for Sunday? Not meaning to start an argument, just curious. I note the lads and girls on Keo.co.za are hopeful, but not 100% sure (which is probably wise, for both teams).
October 6th 2011 @ 4:51pm
Kuruki said | October 6th 2011 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
Shyt reff and shyt weather. This aint going to be anything close to the best match of the tournament.
October 7th 2011 @ 12:16am
Ivan said | October 7th 2011 @ 12:16am | Report comment
i would. This is going to be brutal. I dont expect the Wallaby scrum to hold up well. If the Wallabie cant compete with the lineout king, and Brussow is on form on the ground – the attack ball becomes quite limited.
But the Wallabies might just spring us a massive surprise and roll over the bok pack. Ive seen it happen, so im not going to call any wins for either side here – too many ifs, what ifs, and buts.
Entertainment wise – it becomes knockout Rugby, so its not going to be a try fest. But for the rest of the World (outside of NZ and Aus) who like to see the old arm wrestle, it may provide some entertainment worth the paid subscription.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:49am
AC said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:49am | Report comment
I believe Smit is a better scrummager than du Plessis. He and his front row colleagues will make sure that the Wallabies front row are forced into errors early on, earning the ire of the referee and sealing their fate.
October 6th 2011 @ 12:58pm
Pillock said | October 6th 2011 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
I reckon you are right on the money.
SA will kick there way to a win on the back of the ref who will frustrate the hell out of the wallabies.
Unfortunately it will be like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
Hope I am wrong.
October 6th 2011 @ 8:58am
Brett McKay said | October 6th 2011 @ 8:58am | Report comment
I’m calling ‘shenanigans’ here, did Jake White really say “..only a fool would rate Australia favourites to beat South Africa…”?? There’s probably not much argument that the ‘Boks are favourites, but I doubt White is silly enough to label the very people whose support he needs next year as ‘fools’…
October 6th 2011 @ 9:48am
Ben S said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:48am | Report comment
So we’re presuming that Jake White isn’t actually Jake White, Brett… i.e. a tired old coach who hasn’t been offered a serious job since 2007?! I wonder why the bookies disagree with him? He’s just another Mallett… Too much chat and no actual gimme.
October 6th 2011 @ 10:31am
Brett McKay said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Ben I don’t particularly mind or even care if he thinks South Africa a favourites, or even that he wants them to win. He is only human, after all. I would just be very surprised if he labelled Australian supporters as fools…
October 6th 2011 @ 10:50am
Bunratty said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:50am | Report comment
then a ‘fool’ you be
October 6th 2011 @ 11:23am
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Brett I tend to agree with you about JW.
Lord all mighty how many times has a headline indicated something only to find that it was never said or it was taken out of context? I expect this is similar.
HOWEVER……….if it’s true as reported that he said this about PDV “I don’t think he knows what he’s going to do at the moment and I don’t want to help him make that decision,” ….then who could but agree?
See what I mean about context?
October 6th 2011 @ 11:12am
Jiggles said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:12am | Report comment
I can’t get my head around this idea that the boks will be too strong in the scrum. They haven’t been too strong for 3 seasons and with Smit likely to start I can’t see them putting the wallabies under pressure there. Journalists and fans alike really need to watch the bok scrum in action, it’s far from the dominant force it’s made out to be.
October 6th 2011 @ 4:54pm
Kuruki said | October 6th 2011 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
Amen and without Bakkies it’s just got weaker.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:26am
Bob Templeton said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Oh well, this is the real reason why this family is not renewing its Brumbies membership for next season.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:34am
AussieKiwi said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:34am | Report comment
To me Australia are favourites. South Africa are overrated and looked unimpressive against Wales and Samoa. The mercurial Wallabies had their bad game against Ireland and if the past is any guide, will come back and have a blinder (pretty much like Eden Park followed by Suncorp).
October 6th 2011 @ 11:38am
ohtani's jacket said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:38am | Report comment
The mercurial Wallabies? More like the “we’ve sucked so far at the World Cup” Wallabies. Maybe they’ll turn it on this weekend, or maybe they’ll keep passing the ball into touch and putting up box kicks.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:42am
Jiggles said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Box kicks aren’t the problem, it’s trying to do box kicks on back foot ball that is.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:36pm
Mike said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
V. good point
October 6th 2011 @ 4:37pm
Sage said | October 6th 2011 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
No, I actually prefer “mercurial”
October 6th 2011 @ 1:35pm
TembaVJ said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Maybe SA had their bad games against Wales and Samoa but still won and will switch it on this weekend?
October 6th 2011 @ 4:55pm
Kuruki said | October 6th 2011 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
They havent switched on for a few years now.
October 6th 2011 @ 8:22pm
Mike said | October 6th 2011 @ 8:22pm | Report comment
Kuruki, I don’t know that “a few years” is fair. I grant you Boks have been playing below their potential for the past 18 months. But prior to that they were well and truly on top. Some highlights:
2008:
Won at Dunedin for first time in 100 years
2009:
Won series against the Lions
Won the Tri-Nations (beating ABs in every game)
Beat 6N grand slam winners (Ireland)
Anyway, past achievements or lack thereof won’t be much guide as to how they will perform in their next couple of matches.
October 7th 2011 @ 1:17am
Ben S said | October 7th 2011 @ 1:17am | Report comment
Is this the same 2008 3N where SA came last?
South Africa lost to Ireland in 2009.
October 7th 2011 @ 8:24am
Mike said | October 7th 2011 @ 8:24am | Report comment
No Ben S, you must have been reading the wrong post. I referred to the 2009 3N. The one where the ABs lost to the Boks every time.
My point was that it is inaccurate to say that the Boks “haven’t switched on for a few years now”. Given my respect for the ABs, I think that the Boks beating them 3 times in a row is a pretty good sign of being “switched on” at that time.
Would you disagree?
And yes, you are right re Ireland, it was 2010 when the Boks beat them.
October 7th 2011 @ 8:59pm
Ben S said | October 7th 2011 @ 8:59pm | Report comment
No, I wasn’t reading the wrong post, hence my reference to 2008. I don’t think coming last in the 3N is part of a period where SA were ‘well and truly on top’. Likewise in 2010: SA beating Ireland was basically a single impressive note in an otherwise crapulent season, so basically you should be referring solely to 2009.
October 8th 2011 @ 7:31pm
Mike said | October 8th 2011 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
Yes Ben S, you failed to read my post before putting fingers to keyboard. I referred to the 3N in 2009.
2009, not 2008.
You then responded: “Is this the same 2008 3N where SA came last?”
When I write 2009 3N, I mean 2009 3N. Its not difficult!
October 20th 2011 @ 11:23pm
Ben S said | October 20th 2011 @ 11:23pm | Report comment
‘Yes Ben S, you failed to read my post before putting fingers to keyboard. I referred to the 3N in 2009.
2009, not 2008.
You then responded: “Is this the same 2008 3N where SA came last?”
When I write 2009 3N, I mean 2009 3N. Its not difficult!’
{sigh}
‘I grant you Boks have been playing below their potential for the past 18 months. But prior to that they were well and truly on top. Some highlights’
You included a 2008 result as a highlight. That’s plain silly. A one-off result in a terrible year hardly deserved mention when compared to the successes of 2009. Likewise with your beating Ireland comment. You’re all over the place. Again.
October 6th 2011 @ 12:19pm
Gary Russell-Sharam said | October 6th 2011 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
I have serious doubts that the Wallabies will win V SA on the weekend. They just don’t impress me and if Deans selects McCabe at in-centre (as is thought) they will be that much more behind the 8 ball. That is the problem, Deans and Co selection issues, IMO they haven’t really got it right for a long time. But I could have egg on my face come Monday, I will be happy to taste the omelet and eat the pie but I doubt it.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:39pm
Mike said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
There’s quite a few bokke supporters who wish White was still coaching them.
I think FDP may still turn out to be a liability for SA, although I have to admit that he has proved my dire predictions wrong so far. I always felt Hougaard was the right choice for Bokke No 9. Otherwise they are in pretty good shape.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:43pm
TembaVJ said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Mike no doubt FDP is not even 50% the player he was in 09 but I think he will pick it up when it counts.
He has so much class and so does Hougard but FDP has experience and when it comes to knock out RWC, experience counts more.
Experience that will make the Wallabies of 2015 the favourites. Boks and AB’s losing to much class after 2011
October 6th 2011 @ 1:51pm
Sam Taulelei said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Temba
Having Hougaard on the bench also offers PDV a true impact player who makes things happen, so if things aren’t going well they can hook du Preez. The same goes for Bismarck who is worthy of a starting position but John Smit doesn’t offer much from the bench as an impact player so it’s harsh for Bismarck but it’s probably the best decision for the team.
Whereabouts will you be watching the game?
October 6th 2011 @ 2:05pm
TembaVJ said | October 6th 2011 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Hey Sam, ill be watching it in a very safe place… my Kiwi friends house, that being said my fiance is a wallaby supporter. She used to be AFL only but I brought her over to the dark side. She supports Australia which I respect but I know more about the rules and often confuse the hell out of her… by lying.
I read somewhere (dont know where) that PDV puts Bismarck on the bench on purpose to get him very angry then unleash him… He is the last person on earth you want angry. But by far a better forward.
I see Hougard and Lambie 9 and 10 as the future of the boks. AND since hougard cut that ridiculous piece of hair from the back of his neck I like him even more. He is a very talented player and might be a deciding factor.
My player to watch is JP Peterson… very underrated.
Where are you watching the game Sam? By the way I think we now live close by as I saw you in the area.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:10pm
Photon said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:10pm | Report comment
next Bok flyhalf is Johan Goosen
October 7th 2011 @ 2:10am
Dex said | October 7th 2011 @ 2:10am | Report comment
Hey Temba sorry to be the one to tell you this but Lambie will not be the next gen Bok number 10. The Cheetahs unleashed a youngster in this years Curry Cup by the name of Johan Goosen and he has some serious talent. Folks in SA expect him to claim the 10 jumper as soon as the RWC ends and before Boks tour the UK at the end of the year. If you ask me what would you get if you crossed DC and Frans Steyn then this bloke is it!
Saw him tear my beloved Sharks a new one the other day and was very impressive!!
October 6th 2011 @ 9:08pm
Student said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
FdP gets the start because, while he might not be as sharp as he used to be in the execution department, he still have the best rugby brain around. He knows what to do and when to do it. Hougaard, for all his raw ability, is more of an instinct player. He has his moments of scintillating play, but you get the feeling that he can’t manufacture plays the way FdP can.
Hougaard is definitely the player going forward, after the RWC. I just hope that the next coach (assuming PdV does not get a renew) has the sense to retain FdP to mentor Hougaard further, pass on all that rugby knowledge to the next generation.
On Lambie being the next 10…I’m not sure about that call. In my mind, he performs much better from 15. I think 10 is too close to the action and the time afforded to him to make decisions is far to short for his liking. At 15, Lambie has the time and freedom to pick his spots to join the line or make a play result: he’s a solid 10, but a brilliant 15. The only problems with Lambie at 15 is he’ll face stiff competition from one Jaco Taute (from the Lions) and a certain Mr Frans Steyn (assuming he plays 15 and not 12 which seems to be his best position…)
For my money, I would like to see Elton Jantjies (also from the Lions) get a run at Bok 10. Under Carlos Spencer’s tutelage, he seems to have grown in leaps and bounds in the pivot role. He takes the ball flat on the line, distributes fantastically and has razzle dazzle of his own. Where he might shade King Carlos though, is in his kicking. Jantjies is a pretty reliable kicker.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:51pm
TembaVJ said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Aussie bookies create odds according to local trends, so more Aussie betting on Aus will infact give them better odds… BUT, and I might be wrong as only checked one foreign website and its even steven for Boks v Wal
October 6th 2011 @ 1:57pm
Scot Free said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Oh ye of little faith. So much for the constant allegations that WB fans always talk themselves up. I’ve never read so much nervousness and negativity than on these hallowed pages this week. You expect the naysaying from the saffas and the kiwis but it seems to have spread like some imported pestilence, like cane toads, like cockroaches. Enough! Take heart, you men of gold, you holders of the tri-nations trophy, the Super Rugby title and the Mandela Plate! A curse on these saffa sceptics, these strutting cock Boks. And a pox on the houses of these crowing Kiwis, these black-eyed peanuts. Let them be afraid, because the experiments are finally finished. We have the formula, the talent and the heart! Cry havoc, Robbie Deans, and let slip the dogs of war!!!
October 6th 2011 @ 2:08pm
TembaVJ said | October 6th 2011 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
Beautiful Scot… I have no words.
October 6th 2011 @ 10:41pm
Damo said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:41pm | Report comment
Well said Scot. You may have just turned the battle.
October 6th 2011 @ 4:52pm
Sage said | October 6th 2011 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
Beautiful prose there Scot. I too am confident for this weekend albeit quietly. The week after ??? Hmm we shall see. I do still believe that whomever wins between us and the AB’s the following week will be ultimately playing the Welch Boyos.
October 6th 2011 @ 4:59pm
Kuruki said | October 6th 2011 @ 4:59pm | Report comment
Haha You lost to Ireland, there is nothing else that needs to be said. No one has ever lost and gone on to win the World cup ever. Plus the little 25 year drought at Eden park to contend with also.
October 6th 2011 @ 6:31pm
Sage said | October 6th 2011 @ 6:31pm | Report comment
Haha No other country so highly placed and fancied has failed so badly at the WC either, there is nothing more that needs to be said. But no doubt history is not your guide and neither is it mine Kuruki
October 6th 2011 @ 8:11pm
Mike said | October 6th 2011 @ 8:11pm | Report comment
Amazing the silly reasoning that people come up with:
“If you lose a pool match you cannot win the RWC” – yeah, right!
And, “its not possible for Australia to win at Eden Park because they haven’t won there for 25 years”. Yeah, right!
October 7th 2011 @ 8:41am
Rob9 said | October 7th 2011 @ 8:41am | Report comment
No team has lost 2 pool games and made the final 8… till now.
These sort of rubbish stats are there for the breaking. Last cup 2 teams that came 2nd in their pool knocked out the group topping AUS and NZ. As the competition at world cups continues to heat up, winning 7 games in a row will become increasingly harder. As us and the ab’s found out last time, knockout football has a way of turning the world on its head and history doesnt count for much.
Here are some more relevent stats for you. At the begining of the knock out stage there have and will continue to be at least 4 out of 8 teams who have lost a game in the pool that believe they can win the world cup. Furthermore the winner of each cup have and will continue to win there 3 knockout games. I like the last one…
October 6th 2011 @ 10:22pm
katzilla said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:22pm | Report comment
Haha enjoyed reading that thank you.