Wallabies can do it with TH Lawrence in hearts
By Uncle Argyle, 6 Oct 2011 Uncle Argyle is a Roar Pro
When I think of the name ‘Lawrence,’ my immediate thought is that of a young Peter O’Toole awkwardly placed on a camel, trotting across the Arabian desert, plotting the downfall of the Ottoman Empire.
When I think ‘Lawrence and rugby’, my thoughts go to the equally-awkward New Zealander Bryce Lawrence, who will be officiating the sudden death quarter-final between the Wallabies and Springboks in Wellington this Sunday afternoon.
Conversely, I do not think Bryce Lawrence, a former Bay of Plenty School Master, is plotting the downfall of Wallaby World Cup dreams.
However, rightfully so, Australians should anticipate a penalty-fest come Sunday.
Lawrence has form to prove it.
Lets be fair though. BJ Lawrence has been present when Australia has tasted some of its sweeter successes of recent times.
Three games immediately come to mind against opposition with renowned scrumaging skills; those being the English, French and South Africans.
Twickenham, which has been the graveyard for many Australian scrums, was the venue where Australia defeated England 18-9 in 2009, with Lawrence on the whistle.
On that day, Australia gave away 11 penalties, and only two from scrum infringements. England, conversely, were penalised six times, also committing two scrum infringements.
The record shows Australia still won because they were committed!
Arguably, Australia’s best win in Robbie Deans’ tenure was the 59-16 drubbing of the French in Paris in 2010. Again BJ Lawrence was on the whistle and again he found 12 Australian infringements, three from the scrum.
The French conceded nine with two from the men up front.
The record shows Australia still won becuase they were committed!
August 2011, Australia go to Durban, Rocky Elsom was under extreame pressure to hold his position in the team.
Australia wins 14-9. Again Australia conceeds 12 penalties, four coming from the scrum. South Africa concede six with two coming from the scrum.
The record shows Australia still won because they were committed!
Now, Australia has also had some monumental losses when BJ Lawrence was officiating.
Perth 2009, Australia lost to South Africa 32-25, however the penalty count showed Australia conceded only four penalties, one from the scrum. South Africa conceded a massive 18, with five from the scrum but still won the game.
Johannesburg 2008, Australia were thumped 53-8 and yet again Lawrence found that South Africa had infringed 10 times, two from the scrum. Australia conceded seven with 0 from the scrum but still got drilled.
Auckland 2011, Ireland down Australia 15-6, with Australia conceding 12 penalties in total, with five coming from the scrum. Ireland conceded eight with one scrum infringement.
Australia’s commitment was questioned in all these performances.
I think from these facts, two things can be interpreted.
BJ Lawrence likes to blow the whistle. Australia should expect nothing less, come Sunday.
Importantly, the times Australia has won with BJ Lawrence in charge, the Wallabies have applied themselves and taken their destiny into their own hands. The times we have lost under BJ Lawrence, our mental application has been woeful.
The moral of the Lawrence story and Australia is that if the Wallabies apply themselves to the task at hand and understand Lawrence’s style, do not whinge and fall in heap, Australia can move into a semi-final againt New Zealand if they are committed.
Australia must be willing to take on the big physical South Africans and take their destiny into their own hands.
In considering Peter O’Toole again as TH Lawrence, Australia would be well advised to take a page out of TH Lawrence’s book, when he rallied his men for the fight by decreeing ‘No prisoners. NO PRISONERS!’ and went on to massacre his enemy.
Australia must be this ruthless come Sunday and forget about the referee BJ Lawrence as history has shown Australia can win and win well with BJ Lawrence on the whistle if they are committed.
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October 6th 2011 @ 8:32am
Who Needs Melon said | October 6th 2011 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Good stuff Uncle!
October 6th 2011 @ 8:33am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Cheers Melon.
October 6th 2011 @ 2:47pm
mother teresa said | October 6th 2011 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
as long as wallies dont go offside rolling around tackle(read moore esp)and polota-nau wants to play a non stop game instead of intermittent approach,the ref will only need to be vigilant at scrums and we will be fine
October 6th 2011 @ 9:15am
AC said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Yes, deep down our criticism of the ref is an indirect acknowledgement that we believe the team has no ticker, or at the least, very selective ticker.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:20am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:20am | Report comment
AC,
I don’t think it is a lack of ticker I think it has been a lack of mental application to pick yourself up when the chips are down and to press on. Too often we sulk. I don’t think there was a lack of effort, just a lack of getting on with it when it matters. This comes with the petulance youth of which our team has many purveyors; Cooper, O’Conner, Beale come to mind. They have matured a bit but it will take a big effort from the leadership group; Horwill, Elsom, Genia and Moore to bring them together when a typical BJ Lawrence decision comes which only he will understand. Its why I think Barnes should be in the 22 becuase he brings a relaxed cool head whatever the circumstances.
October 6th 2011 @ 12:17pm
Huh? said | October 6th 2011 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
wouldn’t have thought so… i think its more about Trust, encouragement, reward, loyalty… satisfaction
October 6th 2011 @ 12:34pm
Gut Rot said | October 6th 2011 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
AC,
Obvious but valid points. Bring back someone like Tony Daly – who not only has the ticker but can also assist in the weak scrum
October 6th 2011 @ 12:51pm
Volt said | October 6th 2011 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
GutRot,
Good Point!
AC, what have you ever done?
October 6th 2011 @ 1:12pm
LargeCranium said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Yeah,
Tony Daly was the kind of fella that was both dynamic in the loose and powerful in the tight. A real man’s man if ever there was one.
October 6th 2011 @ 2:12pm
AC said | October 6th 2011 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
… I like Tony Daly too
October 6th 2011 @ 9:29am
warrenexpatinnz said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Good piece Uncle, agree with you whole heartedly on the mental aspect. The Wallabies aren’t short of skill and the scrum, well they have shown on occasions there is no problem there.
The lack of application at times is frustrating because it ultimately ends up with a loss when the guys are switched off. This is perhaps my biggest criticism of Deans, the trouble he has motivating the guys, priming them for that game and the next one and the next one.
I never thought I would say his name in a postive light but Eddie Jones was able to light that fire, yes he took Aussie rugby backwards on player depth creation but he was able to get inside the guys heads when needed and spark them. If Robbie can get them to flick that switch we will be too good for the Boks and a Carterless ABs but can he do it?
October 6th 2011 @ 9:35am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Hi Waz,
With respect to Robbie and coaching staff its not really up to them if Australia win or not. Its up to the 22 who take the field. If you can’t get yourself mentally prepared suitably when your representing you county, your people, your family and yourself at a rugby world cup 1/4 final it would be my submission you have no business playing international rugby. Deans can only do so much its up to the 22 on the day. I think we are in for a special Wallaby performance as we have let ourselves down in this tournament wih some poor rugby. As much as I disliked Gough Whitlam I will say “Its time.”
October 6th 2011 @ 9:43am
warrenexpatinnz said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Uncle wasn’t there a rumor that Wayne Bennett was going to give the guys a pep talk at some stage?
October 6th 2011 @ 9:45am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Not that I have heard but it might help. I have heard that Bennett dislikes rugby so I would be suprised if he was there.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:09am
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:09am | Report comment
God how many times have I heard a League bloke say that he hates Rugby to next see them running about in a S15 or Wallaby jersey?
I’d reckon bringing Wayne Bennett in would be a great thing. And a feather in the cap for League too!
Shame there’s no Boer War survivors still getting about!
October 6th 2011 @ 7:54pm
Sage said | October 6th 2011 @ 7:54pm | Report comment
Unrelated Blinky but did you sneak into the music festival over the week end ??
October 6th 2011 @ 5:21pm
sixo_clock said | October 6th 2011 @ 5:21pm | Report comment
Bugger Bennett, we want Uncle in there revving them up! Let ‘em know that only victory will do!
October 6th 2011 @ 2:51pm
mother teresa said | October 6th 2011 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
thats saying coaches have no input and responsibility for outcome.none,rubbish
October 6th 2011 @ 5:14pm
Sage said | October 6th 2011 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
Good article Uncle. A breath of fresh air after Spiro’s fear and loathing of The Lawrence. I do disagree somewhat with the “it’s up to you” comment. Whilst it is in theory true and we would expect them to be self motivated, the same example can be given for great military campaigns. Many times it was the way the leader spoke to and impassioned his men before battle that affected the outcome and I’d think dieing was already pretty good motivation for not losing.
October 6th 2011 @ 8:16pm
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 8:16pm | Report comment
True Sage but I see Horwill the leader who should be making the William Wallace, George S Patton or Harold Moore type speaches. Robbie is the Chief of Staff who ensures the boys are prepared for battle. He can’t fight it for them.
October 7th 2011 @ 1:31pm
Sage said | October 7th 2011 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
I suppose some go into the battle and some don’t. Willy Wallace did but Patton didn’t. He used to, but so did Deans. But true, when you’re on the pitch in the heat of battle it isn’t Robbie it’s Kevvy and the rest of the leadership group who need to rally the troops and maintain the passion
October 6th 2011 @ 10:55am
johnny-boy said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:55am | Report comment
You nailed it Warren re Deans. Not so sure about Jones tho
. Those that argue that it has nothing to do with the coach are really saying there’s point in having a coach then. They are wrong on both counts.
October 7th 2011 @ 9:02am
warrenexpatinnz said | October 7th 2011 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Yeah JB I pondered about giving the back stabber Jones any credit in regards to the Wallabies but he gave me great pleasure in 2003 with a ageing Wallaby side that should have been beaten by a far better AB side but the the commitment and passion that every player showed for 80 minutes was amazing.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:33am
Tissot Time said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Uncle T E Lawrence was a Welshman and methinks his countrymen will also be ready for battle this weekend.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:38am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:38am | Report comment
TT,
was it TE or TH becuase we had this argument amongst mates yesterday. Either way I think we agree we are talking about the same bloke. What part of Cymru was he from? Secondly I reckon Wales will dust the Irish on Saturday and will be with some mates who hail from the Llanelli area come kick off and am currently listening to the Morrison Orpheum Choir preparing myself for the game.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:50am
Tissot Time said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Thomas Edward Lawrence from Tremadog by Cardigan Bay. My Welsh father in law is Gordon (Khartoum) and his brother is Clive (India) so military history has been discussed over a barrel of Brains before. And they are singing hymns and arias……I think the finalist on the Northside of the draw will come from the Ireland Wales game.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:57am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Thanks TT,
I was not aware. Yep I am with you I think either Wales/Ireland will play Australia/New Zealand. It is with pleasure I can report we will not be anywhere near a Brains SA on saturday just old fashioned XXXX.
October 6th 2011 @ 7:52pm
JohnB said | October 6th 2011 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
Uncle, as others have pointed Lawrence of Arabia was TE. I suspect you or your mates are thinking of DH Lawrence, of Lady Chatterley’s Lover etc fame.
October 6th 2011 @ 5:16pm
Sage said | October 6th 2011 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
October 6th 2011 @ 5:18pm
Sage said | October 6th 2011 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
Which is why they’ll roll the Paddies
October 6th 2011 @ 9:39am
Atawhai Drive said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:39am | Report comment
With respect, Uncle, it’s T.E. Lawrence, not T. H. Lawrence. Perhaps you were thinking of the novelist D H Lawrence.
As for Lawrence of Arabia, the story goes that he developed a taste for flagellation _ preferring to receive rather than give. I have no idea what Bryce Lawrence’s tastes might be.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:59am
Tissot Time said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:59am | Report comment
He’s a whistleblower.
October 6th 2011 @ 10:34am
formeropenside said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Probably ok with Lady’s Chatterly’s Lover though.
October 6th 2011 @ 5:32pm
p.Tah said | October 6th 2011 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
October 6th 2011 @ 9:43am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Thanks Dave, as I was saying to TT we argued this yesterday but I think you know who I refer to. Perhaps Nigel Owens might have a better idea?
October 6th 2011 @ 9:55am
the other Steve - and AB fan said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Good article, Uncle Arglye.
You hit the nail on the head – the Wallabies know Lawrence, they know that some penalites are random and unfair, so they will have no excuse for getting into those s***ty dismayed looks when those penalites occur, and then walking off into a funk.
Rugby has always had a big element of playing to the Ref’s conditions, and the Wallabies need to wise up to Lawrence, adapt, and overcome. Or not.
The choice is theirs’.
And I’m not sure that the Peter O’Toole’s Lawrence of Arabia is a good model – he may have lapsed into a ‘no prisioners’ approach at one point, but that caused a delay which meant he did not cut off a Turkish Army. He also quite liked flouncing about in his new robes and singing to create echos.
October 6th 2011 @ 9:59am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Thanks mate,
In relation to the dancing and the robes….the backs have got to do smothing whilst the rugby is being played!
October 6th 2011 @ 10:03am
Cap'n China said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:03am | Report comment
UNCLE A – nice to see a literary note in the forum. There’s a great bit in Seven Pillars of Wisdom where TE (Thomas Edward) Lawrence, Webley in hand, leads a raid against the Turks, he and his men riding camels into a hail of bullets. TE’s camel goes down dead as a doornail. Later when the Turks have been driven off he checks his camel and finds that the beast was shot in the back of the neck.TE said that he never did learn to ride a camel and shoot straight at the same time.
October 6th 2011 @ 10:36am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 10:36am | Report comment
I like his honesty China. The Wallabies can learn somthing from that.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:39am
the other Steve - and AB fan said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:39am | Report comment
depends on who’s the camels and who’s the driver!
Will one of the forwards (please don’t make it Pocock) get it in the back of the neck from a badly aimed Genia box kick or Cooper grubber, requiring a stretcher off! Very T.E. Lawrence like.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:31am
ohtani's jacket said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Since when was 11-12 penalties a lot? I dare say that’s average. Also, given how innocuous many penalties are, I think you’d be better served looking at the penalty breakdown for each match and judging how damaging it truly was.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:44am
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:44am | Report comment
I thought I did.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:58am
ohtani's jacket said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:58am | Report comment
No, I mean breaking it down into what the penalties were actually for, because there are many types of penalties that are technicalities or simply result in a loss of territory rather than costing a side points. In any given game, probably a quarter to a third of the penalties awarded have no real affect on the sides. Also, Lawrence is the type of ref who will try to offset a dominant performance from one side by being harder on them at the breakdown, and as I’m sure you know a side that’s dominating will be more aggressive at the breakdown and get pinged just as much as the side that’s under pressure in defence. Dominant sides also tend to have more possession which leads to more penalty turnovers. This is why a side that wins by 20 points or more on the scoreboard often concedes more penalties than the team which lost. So, I don’t think it’s all that cut and dried. Lawrence came into this tournament trying to follow the refs’ mandate just like the rest of the did in the opening weekend, and so I do agree that he’ll be whistle happy this weekend but in what area remains to be seen. He could just as easily get a bee in his bonet about the Boks at ruck time. Maybe.
October 6th 2011 @ 12:30pm
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
You speak the truth OJ. I don,t accuse BJ Lawrence of being anti_ Australian, just pedantic. Good analysis mate.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:33pm
Wawnout said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Absolutely agree re pedantic Uncle. When Lawrence referees I find myself shouting at the TV far more than usual, WTF was that for etc. Very annoying during the Eng v Argentina game when the replays showed exactly what he was blowing up for. He was technically mostly correct. But IMO the game is far too much about Bryce. I know it isn’t an exact science but if you get the chance have a look at the young Kiwi ref Jackson (someone else on here has mentioned him) recent ex player at at least S15 level. Still makes a few mistakes but has an obvious feel for the game, relates well to players etc and the games seem to flow. That is, it is about the players and the game, not about the ref.
October 6th 2011 @ 12:42pm
Touko said | October 6th 2011 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Here ya go Mr Jacket, some numbers from the other great Australian rugby blog site:
“FACT: Bryce pings Wallabies twice as much” http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/fact-bryce-pings-wallabies-twice-as-much/
Some interesting numbers detailing how, when and what for the other Lawrence penalises.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:05pm
ohtani's jacket said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
As I expected there is nothing special about those numbers. I think the accumulative effect of having had Lawrence ref the Wallabies so many times in such a short span of time is at the root of all this. Number crunching is fine, but I would like to see some real analysis here. For example, how long or short is Lawrence’s advantage? Refs with shorter advantages call less penalties. And refs who don’t reset scrums, who call free kicks instead of penalties or who allow a collapsed scrum to play on with any sort of whistle will have lower penalty stats. If you’re looking at 11-12 penalties a game, then what the ref and his assistants miss on the field and what they spot is a huge part of that penalty make-up. There is a huge difference, for example, between the penalty count of a referee who blows offside and one who doesn’t. Now I’m not saying that Lawrence is a great ref or polices the game well, but when you get refs like Barnes who either let it all go, penalise one side only or are hopeless out of position and missing everything and then people praise them on the basis of a lower penalty count that’s ridiculous, especially when those same people (and we all know who they are) are constantly demanding that the opposition is penalised.
So, yes, it’s interesting, but I also thought Bryce’s position among RWC refs was fascinating especially at the breakdown. That could actually be bad news for Australia against South Africa.
October 6th 2011 @ 1:44pm
Uncle Argyle said | October 6th 2011 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
You should write an article mate. You have enough to say.
October 6th 2011 @ 11:46am
stuff happens said | October 6th 2011 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Thanks Uncle; David Lean’s ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ (1962) is one of those movies that everyone should see & most of you probably have. It was digitally remastered & re-released I think in 2001.If you haven’t seen it since do yourselves a favour as they say. Steven Spielberg who is interviewed in one of the features describes it as ‘A miracle of a film.’ Your kids will love it too.