Write the Pumas off at your own peril
By Alan Nicolea, 8 Oct 2011 Alan Nicolea is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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As a Pumas fan, I am under no illusions how difficult Argentina’s match-up against the All Blacks will be, come Sunday evening.
Bar ‘Richie McCow’ (the Rugby World Cup’s equivalent to FIFA’s Paul, the Octopus), many pundits believe that the Pumas will succumb to the mighty New Zealand in the last of the quarter-finals to be played this weekend.
Indeed, it is easy to justify the All Blacks’ heavy favouritism, heading into their match against Argentina.
Of the 17 matches played between the nations thus far, New Zealand has won 16 times. The closest Argentina have come to a win against Graham Henry’s men was way back in 1985, when an inspired Hugo Porta led the Pumas to a 21-all draw against the All Blacks in Buenos Aires.
The Pumas’ mounting injury list also suggests a comfortable New Zealand victory.
While the Kiwis themselves are without influential playmaker Dan Carter, Argentina heads into the quarter-final without several key players; including Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe and Juan Martin Hernandez.
Lobbe and Hernandez were one of the main pillars behind the Pumas’ stunning performance at the 2007 Rugby World Cup, and they will be heavily missed against New Zealand.
Argentina’s most recent performance against Georgia also has All Blacks pundits feeling confident of a Kiwi victory.
The Pumas were erratic in their 25-7 win over Georgia last Sunday, with their backline in particular failing to spark any attacking plays of note, until late in the contest.
If Argentina replicates their performance against Georgia, New Zealand will most likely post a comfortable victory against their Latin American counterparts.
All in all, logic suggests that the All Blacks should already start preparing for a semi-final showdown with either the Springboks or the Wallabies, given the majority believe that a New Zealand victory against Argentina is a formality.
But a word of caution for the All Blacks.
While I too believe that an Argentina victory this weekend appears unlikely, I also believe that the Pumas have the potential to give the All Blacks an almighty scare at their Eden Park fortress.
It is a matter of fact that Argentina has nothing to lose and everything to gain from their quarter-final meeting against New Zealand.
With this in mind, Pumas captain Felipe Contepomi and head coach Santiago Phelan must encourage Argentina to stay within reach of the All Blacks for as long as possible.
Indeed, the longer the match stays close, the better it will be for Argentina, given that a narrow loss to the All Blacks should be considered a victory for Pumas rugby anyway.
No doubt Argentina’s pack presents the key to keeping the All Blacks within reach throughout the 80 minutes.
Pumas players such as Mario Arocena Ledesma and Juan Manuel Leguizamon in particular, will have to lead the way admirably against an All Blacks pack that makes do with renowned figures such as Richie McCaw, Tony Woodcock, Brad Thorn and Jerome Kaino.
Argentina’s chances against New Zealand also rest on how well they are able to incorporate their talented backline into the contest.
In their opening 13-9 loss to England, Argentina’ backline caused the English, significant problems during the second half, with Marcelo Bosh, Gonzalo Camacho and Martin Rodriguez all registering line breaks against the Six Nations champions.
Against Scotland, replacement fullback Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino also demonstrated superb agility and speed in slippery conditions to score the match-winning try which secured a vital 13-12 victory against the Scottish.
While the preceding backline players will be vital for the Pumas come Sunday evening, I believe Juan Jose Imhoff is the man that potentially holds the x-factor against the All Blacks.
Indeed not many would be aware of Imhoff and his talent. But in the matches that I have seen him play for the Pumas thus far at the World Cup, he has impressed me greatly.
The 23-year-old winger has scored two tries in the tournament so far (against Georgia and Romania respectively), but it’s his ability to fend off his opposition and set up his backline that makes him a player to keep an eye on.
Against England, Imhoff replaced the injured Gonzalo Tiesi, and he was particularly dangerous, late in the match, when he fended off two English defenders near the touchline to spark an attacking raid.
Personally, I think Imhoff is Argentina’s version of rugby league’s Greg Inglis.
It is a big call but the fend, speed and overall strength that he demonstrated during the group stages suggests that he has the makings of a player destined to become one of Argentina’s most important figures throughout the next decade.
In short, Imhoff is Argentine rugby’s best kept secret – a secret that could be unleashed much to the detriment of the All Blacks, if Phelan decides to start the 23-year-old.
Overall, the Pumas face a massive mountain to climb if they are to conquer rugby’s Everest. The All Blacks will start as deserved favourites and will most likely progress to the World Cup semi-finals.
But Argentina should be viewed as a dangerous proposition for any side, let alone one as illustrious as the All Blacks.
If the Pumas can go toe to toe with New Zealand’s pack and provide good ball to the likes of Imhoff and company, then their chances of producing one of world sports’ great upsets, will significantly increase.
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October 8th 2011 @ 6:11am
Damo said | October 8th 2011 @ 6:11am | Report comment
Well, reputations aren’t listed on scoreboard tallies. So Argentina may win the world cup, after defeating NZ at home.
Few think they will- but boy, it may be fun to watch them try.
October 8th 2011 @ 7:07am
Bazza all black said | October 8th 2011 @ 7:07am | Report comment
Nope won’t happen, once the abs get parity in the forwards, the 2nd half will be a try fest….
The argies have great forwArds but their back line is non existent…
October 8th 2011 @ 7:37am
mace22 said | October 8th 2011 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Bazza all black I remember thinking the same way in 2007. So forgive me if i’m not so cocky this time around.
October 8th 2011 @ 9:02am
Bazza All Black said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:02am | Report comment
I have been VERY cautious….but I am sick of being so Kiwi – our boys will pummel the pumas or at least have the tough win they need to help with the next game…
October 8th 2011 @ 7:45am
katzilla said | October 8th 2011 @ 7:45am | Report comment
The Black wave to be stopped by los pumas?
Not as unlikely as a few weeks ago thats for sure.
1 week at a time boys, 1 week at a time
October 8th 2011 @ 7:51am
formeropenside said | October 8th 2011 @ 7:51am | Report comment
go the pumas
October 8th 2011 @ 7:59am
Franzencroy said | October 8th 2011 @ 7:59am | Report comment
I do wish the Pumas were playing England or the Boks instead of the ABs. I’d love to see them make the semis. But against the ABs? They won’t even be close. For two reasons. The AB forwards are much better in the loose than the blue and white forwards, and the AB backs are much better ball runners than the blue and white backs. The ABs would have the game sewn up at the 70 minute mark if the game were being played in Argentina. But seeing as how NZ is the venue, the ABs will have a stranglehold by the 50th. At least that’s what it said when I threw the I Ching.
October 8th 2011 @ 9:15am
ScotandProud said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Hang on, last time it was “Write the SCOTS off at your peril”… Anyone here experienced a Final Destination style demise since Scotland got the boot?
All Blacks: all day long.
No? Maybe this is just a headline to hype the un-hypeable. Bazza it’s time to be cocky and abrasive a la the Aussies and the Saffas
October 8th 2011 @ 9:34am
sheek said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Hi Alan,
The problem for the Pumas in this match I believe, is that the ABs will have too much fire power across the park, that will be the difference.
When the Pumas join the 4N, it will be great for them. They will develop their rugby from the current largely one-dimensional style, to an all-encompassing game. That is their weakness at present.
They are strong at the scrum & lineout, kick well for territory & at goal, defend vigorously, but lack subtle backline players, despite possessing obvious speed & talent in the backs.
On another note, sometime back I asked you for info on Argentine provinces, assuming they will eventually join super rugby, but you didn’t reply. Perhaps you didn’t read my post.
Anyway, I’ve managed to find the following, which hopefully you can help embellish, or even correct.
Buenos Aires Las Aguilas (the Eagles)
Rosario Los Nandues (the Ostriches?)
Cordoba Los Dogos (you guessed it – the Bulldogs)
Tucuman Los Narunjas (the Oranges)
Mendoza Los Guanacos (the Guanachos – a Llama-like animal)
Mar del Plata Los Treboles (something to do with playing card suit clubs??)
Salta Los Mayuatos (the Raccoons – or Raccoon-like animal?)
Nothing on Cuyo/Cordoba, or Santa Fe/San Miguel/San Juan/San Luis, which would complete the top 8-10 provinces.
Perhaps you could help expand/clarify this…???
October 8th 2011 @ 9:38am
Aware said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:38am | Report comment
The Pumas have produced some of the best props ever for other countries, includiing Enrique Rodriguez and Patricio Norriega for Australia and Castrogiovanni for Italy…and they still play only as amateurs in Argentina. They’re definitely underrated.
October 8th 2011 @ 9:58am
Aware said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:58am | Report comment
The banning of the driving scrum, one of the Pumas’ best weapons, has diminished their effectiveness somewhat, though.
October 8th 2011 @ 2:29pm
p.Tah said | October 8th 2011 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
I think Argentina’s inclusions in the 4Nations will benefit Australia too. We will get to play against a team who play a forward orientated grinding game more often where the scrum is king. We need more of that. So we don’t fall over against the NH teams as often as we do.
October 8th 2011 @ 9:53am
Tissot Time said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Alan rest assured the All Blacks will not be taking this test match lightly. We long suffering AB supporters are all too familiar with losses during the knock out phases of RWC and I must say I now take an expectant approach and enjoy each match for what it is. A test.
October 8th 2011 @ 9:57am
jumpers said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:57am | Report comment
The Pumas are a third rate team and minnows. Why don’t they just play marbles, hell my 12 yrs Roller Mills team could play better than them! The ABs by 30PLUS!
Get on the plane Pumas and go home Monday!
October 8th 2011 @ 10:16am
Oakie said | October 8th 2011 @ 10:16am | Report comment
I will definitely be going for the Pumas now!
October 8th 2011 @ 2:43pm
katzilla said | October 8th 2011 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
Roller Mills? You a king country lad?
October 8th 2011 @ 2:51pm
2many1ndians said | October 8th 2011 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
B section ’84 – Thames Valley
October 8th 2011 @ 9:32pm
Martin said | October 8th 2011 @ 9:32pm | Report comment
Dear Jumpers,
I guess that you have never played rugby, haven’t you? And probably you have said the same four years ago about France.
You go home and have a cup of tea. It’ll calm down your nerves.
October 8th 2011 @ 10:16am
ohtani's jacket said | October 8th 2011 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Yeah, it’s not gonna happen. It’s a bit like all those write France off at your peril warnings. They may frustrate the All Blacks and force them into playing poorly, which would set off a whole bunch of doom and gloom heading into the semis, but it would take an absolute horror show for the All Blacks to lose. Injuries, yellow cards, missed penalties, a try from a forward pass, that sort of thing.