Inconsistent refereeing blight on modern rugby
By ruggerman, 12 Oct 2011 ruggerman is a Roar Rookie
- Tagged:
- Bryce Lawrence, referees, Rugby Union, Rugby World Cup, Rugby World Cup 2011, RWC, RWC2011, Springboks, wallabies
Related coverage
- Rugby Union news
- Wallabies news
- Rugby World Cup 2011 news
- South Africa Springboks news
- Rugby 2011 news
Watching Sunday’s gripping Rugby World Cup quarter final between Australia and South Africa was a tense, exciting, but frustrating experience.
The Australian media post match has lauded the Wallabies with praise for their courageous defense and attitude, and touted that the Springboks will lament their inability to take their opportunities.
What strikes me about this is the apparent inability for anyone to acknowledge how completely inadequate Bryce Lawrence’s refereeing performance was and how it shaped the result of the game, much more than the performance of the lackluster Wallabies.
How can a team take their opportunities when so few are handed to them by the referee, despite glaring instances of illegal play in key areas of the field after long multi-phase passages.
The Wallabies only remained in this game as a result of Lawrence’s seeming ignorance of the rules at the breakdown. David Pocock might have had a fantastic game, but only because he was allowed to exploit the breakdown in a way that was supposed to be outlawed three years ago.
Never in my life have I watched a test match where a team so deserving of a win managed to lose as a result of their attacking advances being stifled by a referee so allowing of an openside flanker to so blatantly dominate the ruck through what was, by the most part, completely illegal play according to the laws of the game.
I have to feel for the Boks. They will be going home knowing that they did everything they could, destroyed their opposition in almost every facet of the game and yet, due to the Wallabies adapting to the referee and successfully executing multiple examples of negative play, they came up short.
Don’t get me wrong, the Wallabies deserve credit for their exceptional defense and their ability to adapt to the referee, and as a result of that Pocock deserved the MOM, but my argument here is that there is a fundamental flaw in the fact that a game of rugby can hinge so heavily on the way it is refereed and how a team adapts to that, instead of the way they deal with their opposition.
When test rugby stops being about the 15 warriors from one nation going out there to outwit, out-muscle and dominate the 15 warriors of an opposing nation, we are facing a serious problem.
You could not possibly convince me that the Wallabies didn’t get away with murder at the breakdown inside their own 22, nor that they outplayed the Boks in any way outside of their manipulation at the breakdown, which only came as a result of that area of the game not being policed accurately.
The statistics speak volumes about how this game played out, which is not often the case, and even the breakdown steals stats show how much the Wallabies got away with.
The current interpretation of the laws of the breakdown were implemented post-2007 Rugby World Cup and shortly after the ELV disaster, in order to restore more traditional tactics, punishment for negative play and laws which encouraged expansive, running rugby which would hopefully, in turn, produce more tries.
This was in the wake of a World Cup and a period in time where test rugby was often stifled by players killing the ball inside the 22, happy to give away three points because it was better than seven, resulting in kicking battles as opposed to exhibitions of running rugby that the public so desperately desired.
So the IRB decided to try and de-power the role of the openside flank and the tackler by saying that once the tackle had been made, there must be daylight between tackled player, the ball and the tackler/tackle assist, allowing the tackled player to play the ball before they may attempt to contest for it on the ground.
This rule, or ‘interpretation’ as the IRB have coined it, was not implemented on Sunday evening. There were many examples of the Wallabies killing the ball in the 22 as well as many other areas of the field from offside positions, or when they weren’t entitled to play the ball where a ruck had been formed.
Even the Wallabies’ try came from a ridiculously obvious piece of illegal entry as well as handling of the ball on the deck and it all happened right in front of Bryce Lawrence’s nose.
It goes without saying that the Boks got away with a bit here and there as well, but they didn’t need to get away with much, because they had the ball for the best part of three quarters of the match. It would be very hard to argue that Lawrence’s lack of conviction in officiating the breakdown affected the Wallabies equally, let alone more than it did the Boks.
It is a mystery how Lawrence was even handed the QF, seeing as he openly apologised for a myriad of bad calls he made against the Wallabies when they played Ireland. But at least in that game, the Wallabies were outplayed in most areas and lost. Here, they were outplayed, out muscled, tactically dominated and yet, they won.
If rugby is to become a game where the dominant team is not given the tools to construct a victory, despite falling victim to blatant negative tactics by their opposition, because each different referee polices the breakdown (or any key area of the game for that matter) in a different manner, then I shall lose my eternal passion for the game and cease watching a once great sport.
Lawrence and future referees who deliver equally inadequate performances should be reviewed and punished by being forced to referee at a lower level until they can prove they actually know the laws at the breakdown.
The IRB must review the structure of the laws of the game, in order to ensure at least to some degree, that every game has a consistency about the way it is officiated, refereeing should have little to do with ‘interpretation’ of a written law.
Let’s hope the semis aren’t hindered by further examples of this and may the best team lift the Webb Ellis Cup as a result of playing better rugby, not their ability to exploit a referee’s inadequacies.
Huge respect must be paid to all of those Springbok players who competed in their last test match on Sunday. They were part of one of the most successful eras of South African rugby history, and despite being bundled out in 2011, did themselves proud in that quarter final, which will unfortunately, to my mind, be one of the best test matches that was never allowed to be properly contested.
To say the Boks deserved to win would be wrong, considering that this is how it is, but to say they deserved to lose would be equally unjust.
Here’s to the (hopefully more consistent and accurate) future of test rugby.
Recommend this story.
The Turkey 10
The Turkey 10 teams have now been selected, as Wild Turkey Bourbon's sport sponsorship kicks into the next exciting phase.
Choose which side you're going to support and get in the running to win $2,500!
Simply visit Wild Turkey Australia on Facebook for your chance to win.
Find out more.
Do you have what it takes to become a sports writer? Write for the roar
Rugby Union articles
- Reds back in contention, but Waratahs need a cleanout (287)
- What Hansen’s first squad means for the Wallabies (191)
- ALAN JONES: We have the players, it’s the coaches that are to blame (161)
- Who will be in the Wallabies’ backrow? (158)
- Will Cooper and Mitchell be back in time for Wallaby selection? (156)
- CAMPO: Will Deans change the style of the Wallabies play? (128)
- Tahs out. Brumbies win ugly. And Quade’s back! (124)
- McKenzie or White: who will be the next Wallaby coach? (22)
- Chiefs back on top after downing Bulls (8)
- Rebels know Super improvement needed
- Quade can play way into Wallabies squad (2)
- A Kiwi’s advice to Wallaby supporters (32)
- Confessions of a rugby union traitor (14)
- Reds focus on Brumbies, not finals
- A Kiwi’s advice to Wallaby supporters (32)
- Confessions of a rugby union traitor (14)
- Brumbies vs Reds: a lesson for the other provinces (11)
- Chiefs vs Bulls: Super Rugby live scores, blog (15)
- Hola Argentina, and welcome to the Rugby Championship! (25)
- Irish coaches looking to head Western Force (15)
- Dull Super Rugby coaches equal dull rugby (51)
- Explore:
- Bryce Lawrence, referees, Rugby Union, Rugby World Cup, Rugby World Cup 2011, RWC, RWC2011, Springboks, wallabies


October 12th 2011 @ 5:26am
Damo said | October 12th 2011 @ 5:26am | Report comment
Yeh, Bryce was blind to SA taking out Kurtley on a kick chase and Habana’s deliberate knock down and a few green hands in rucks.
Whatever.
SA won the rugby world cup that wasn’t rugby against an England that didn’t play rugby either. 07 was a blight on the game as much as your article declares Bryce’s reffing to be a blight on the game. For all the faults of the refs in this one we have a real world cup where the world leaders are going toe to toe hemisphere by hemisphere.
But I agree the contest should be fair.
Let’s get those childish kiwis to stop booing Quade’s every touch of the ball.
Oh and by the way there is a team with a no1 world ranking on the back of a no7 whose offside and ruck infringements are invisible to most referees.
Let’s have an article about that.
October 12th 2011 @ 5:51am
DanSA said | October 12th 2011 @ 5:51am | Report comment
2007 was a blight on the game? Jeez can you be anymore arrogant? The same English team in 2007 beat Australia quite convincingly
October 12th 2011 @ 6:55am
ChrisT said | October 12th 2011 @ 6:55am | Report comment
October 12th 2011 @ 7:00am
ChrisT said | October 12th 2011 @ 7:00am | Report comment
This is what happens when you let Spiro Zavos, Greg Growden & Greg Martin give you your opinions. There really should be re-hab arrangements for this.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:09am
Jerry said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:09am | Report comment
Quite convincingly? It was about 2 points due to a missed late penalty wasn’t it?
October 12th 2011 @ 9:08am
DanSA said | October 12th 2011 @ 9:08am | Report comment
On this site that is apparently convincingly, given Saturday’s result. And still arrogant given the fact that they did beat Australia. Blight on the game, give me a farkin break
October 12th 2011 @ 11:26am
ruggerman said | October 12th 2011 @ 11:26am | Report comment
The issue is that the way Lawrence refereed the game, made it just like ’07, where everyone slowed the ball down in the 22, but without any punishment, making it all the more audacious of a performance. No one said the Boks didn’t get away with their fair share, in fact, it’s mentioned in the article.
The issue is that for both sides, the breakdown was a farce, but the wallabies played much more negatively in this area in key areas of the field for the attacking side, which for 75% of the game was the Springboks and they were never rewarded for their persistance and pressure, which forced the wallabies to resort to negative play. It was much more prevalent in the 2nd half, as in the first half the wallabies competed half as much.
The laws are supposed to have evolved from ’07 to give an advantage to the team that controls the ball and aptly punish teams who try to slow it down and the 22 (often coined ‘the red zone’) is supposed to be where the laws are applied even more sternly, yet it appeared to be the opposite with Lawrence on Sunday.
No one can say the wallabies didn’t deserve to win nor that, had the penalties that were there been awarded, the
Boks would’ve won, because you don’t know what would’ve happened or how they would’ve responded. All anyone wants is clarity and consistency. And maybe a northern hemisphere ref for southern hemisphere games at the world cup.
p.s. I agree about McCaw….they only made him captain in the first place so that referees would be scared to penalise him, just turns out that he’s a pretty good leader, too!
October 13th 2011 @ 12:24pm
Who? said | October 13th 2011 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Bryce Lawrence is a blight on the game. He’s been a blight on the game all year. But the Boks had more than enough territory to win the match. Slow ball or not. There’s no good reason why the Boks didn’t pot another drop goal. Or five. Lambie’s late miss reminded me very much of Latham’s near miss in the QF on 07.
Further, as others have said, Lawrence’s officiating went both ways. The Boks were guilty of as many infringements as the Wallabies. I know that it’s not popular to penalize the attacking team, but they entered the ruck – attacking and defending – from wherever they liked, however they liked. Watch Russouw here – no, the penalty’s not for his entry, from the side and off his feet, it’s for the tackled player not releasing. http://oi55.tinypic.com/21jssoh.jpg
Then consider how Horwill was wrongly penalized at 37 minutes for hands in the ruck. He was the tackler, he got to his feet, he played the ball, THEN the Boks arrived. He had all the rights. That gave the Boks 3 points, it was wrong under the standard laws, and it was even more wrong when you consider how Bryce reffed the rest of the game.
Finally, think about foul play. You can say that Pocock stole the WC, but at least he didn’t try to steal the gift of sight from players. And he didn’t tip anyone on their head. Russouw and Burger should’ve been cited – Russouw for his tip on Samo, Burger for raking Pocock’s face (as he does in every game they play) and attempting to eye gouge. Look here -http://images4.hiboox.com/images/4111/diapoe8f8259bd3e71b0961f8be9d89034ade.gif
And even on the one time the Boks got across our line (the famous forward pass), the Boks had infringed. Habana didn’t let Beale land before tackling him and turning him over.
Then add both Diggers and Kurtley being taken out on kick chases… Bryce didn’t kill the Boks. The Boks just didn’t know how to win the game. And the Wallabies put in a monstrous effort. Does that mean Bryce is a good ref? No. I’ve never thought he’s a good ref, and I didn’t want him at the RWC. But the Boks have no capacity to blame him. They have even less reason than the ABs had in 07 to blame Barnes. Both teams had enough possession and territory to steal the win. All they needed – both teams – was one (more) drop goal…
October 12th 2011 @ 12:20pm
Riccardo said | October 12th 2011 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
Wah, wah Damo. Same old same old. You want your bottle now?
October 12th 2011 @ 4:53pm
SA said | October 12th 2011 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
Love that it is only a real world cup when Aus has reached the semis. Aus have played unattractive dour rugby this entire tournament. The 2007 rugby world cup was epic.
October 12th 2011 @ 6:43am
Red Kev said | October 12th 2011 @ 6:43am | Report comment
Yes clearly the Australians were the only ones employing negative illegal tactics and getting away with it …
http://images4.hiboox.com/images/4111/diapoe8f8259bd3e71b0961f8be9d89034ade.gif
(that’s 3 entries from the side and 3 attempted eye gouges in one ruck, that’s got to be some sort of record even for a South African)
Lawrence was atrocious, but he was uniformly atrocious. I don’t think there’s a single ruck without a ‘Bok player diving in off his feet; similarly I don’t think there’s a single ruck involving Pocock where he doesn’t get his hands on the ball – both sides cheated because the ref decided to let them – the Springboks unfortunately don’t have any sort of game plan if the referee keeps his whistle in his pocket.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:08am
Ivan Nel said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Yawn Red Kev – I said this on another post. dont take 1 incident, and highlight it as the springboks foul play. You will find the springboks were one of the most disciplined teams at this tournament. Why not make a gif image for us of some of the many high or armless tackles by the aussies, some ruck dives, some illegal ball stealing – nope. cant do it. move on ginger
October 12th 2011 @ 12:42pm
Red Kev said | October 12th 2011 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Try reading the rest of the post.
“Lawrence was atrocious, but he was uniformly atrocious. I don’t think there’s a single ruck without a ‘Bok player diving in off his feet; similarly I don’t think there’s a single ruck involving Pocock where he doesn’t get his hands on the ball – both sides cheated because the ref decided to let them – the Springboks unfortunately don’t have any sort of game plan if the referee keeps his whistle in his pocket.”
Go watch that game again with a pencil and paper and try to count the Springboks off their feet at the breakdown diving over the ball (theirs and the Wallabies) – you won’t be able to keep up in real time. Don’t try to paint the grubbiest team in world rugby as disciplined saints, they were just as bad as the Wallabies on Sunday.
October 12th 2011 @ 2:05pm
JVGO said | October 12th 2011 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
RU needs the rules to be clear and enforceable so that both sides know where they stand tactically before the game commences. This is what the other football codes provide, leading to a non contentious result.
This was the biggest game of Rugby of the last four years and it has resulted in outrage and refereeing controversy.
The OP is right. This needs to be dealt with by the IRB. It’s a joke.
October 13th 2011 @ 7:15am
Brian said | October 13th 2011 @ 7:15am | Report comment
Hey Red – how on earth can you say he was uniformly atrocious? If you’re saying he wasn’t partial in his failings, I could agree … but I would not agree that both sides were equally impacted.
When you look at all the stats you can see immediately that the Boks were controlling most aspects of play and the Wallabies were predominantly on defense. The Boks were going to ground with ball in hand far more frequently than the Wallabies and the Wallabies were far more frequently fighting to pilfer possession in the rucks – which Pocock did so well.
Net is Bok dominance created far more opportunity for the ref’s deficiencies, creating advantage for the Wallabies.
… and of course the Wallabies defended superbly!
October 13th 2011 @ 10:35am
Eric said | October 13th 2011 @ 10:35am | Report comment
The uniformly lax refereeing helped the Wallabies more, but that’s only because the Boks have literally no plan in place to score without a whistle being blown. Yes the IRB needs to be more uniform in its battle against negative rugby, but playing with the intention of getting to the 50m line and waiting for a whistle is NOT positive rugby. SA has a boring style of play that is not spectator-friendly and ultimately paid the price for it. Fine with me.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:00am
Viscount Crouchback said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Great article. I can get my head around different referees having somewhat different interpretations of the breakdown but I find it absolutely baffling that the same referee, Lawrence, can veer from one extreme to another (Eng-Arg to Aus-SA) within the space of one tournament.
October 12th 2011 @ 4:57pm
AC said | October 12th 2011 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
The only explanation is that it was an IRB referees boss directive.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:03am
Ivan Nel said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:03am | Report comment
I agree with this article, Since the Boks had far more possession – they were ultimately more affected by Lawrence allowing illegal tactics. The difference i might point out, is that the Bok infringements were mostly in the Australian half, where most of the game was played – at best Aus could have received a penalty, and kicked for touch. Thereafter they would probably have lost their lineout and the Bok assault would continue. As opposed to the infringements by Aus in their 22 – where Steyn would surely have kicked over for 3 each time. Pocock was brilliant, definitely an ace in the Wallaby pocket. But the ref could have negated him largely, and the loss of Brussow meant the Boks had no answer for him since brussow is usually the first man to get to the ball from the Springboks side.
It was a disgusting piece of refereeing, Wallabies were outplayed in every facet – id say they largely underestimated the Springboks, and were somewhat shell shocked in that second half.
On the other hand, when Wales lost to us because of a dubious conversion call by the touchies – we didnt hand it to them did we, we just claimed the victory. Oh how i wish now that Wales had beat us – They would probably have knocked Aus out in the quarters, the Boks would have steam rolled Ireland and still have had a chance to meet NZ in the grand finale of finale’s.
Lifes not fair, but i get where the writer is coming from – we need to stamp out the refs ability to influence results, players should not be spending time studying the ref before a match, perhaps its time to add a second ref to the field, to monitor the other side of rucks and scrums, and a panel to discuss the refs performance and mistakes at half time with him – so that if he is getting it wrong, it can be addressed while there is time left for the better team to win.
Bryce probably did his best, but it cost South Africa a win – If I thought SA had no chance of beating NZ and then Wales in teh final – It would have been easier, but based on that domination of Australia (who are still an extremely good side), i think the Boks would have gone all the way and retained the cup.
Thats what made it harder for me.
We have to get over it now, Lets concentrate on the rest of the cup – hopefully there will be some good entertaining and especially for us saffas – bone shattering rugga coming up, to remind us that we love the game, more than winning.
Theres some incredible youngsters coming up in SA now, if we get the right coaches, and nurture them the right way – i think the Springboks golden era is just starting.
October 12th 2011 @ 11:13am
Shane said | October 12th 2011 @ 11:13am | Report comment
….to be fair / on balance,the Aussies not only ‘played to the ref’ but were also massively courageous in defence in the face of a veritable onslaught, and for this alone probably deserved the win on the day (for the record, I’m a Bok supporter).
However, even the most one-eyed Wallaby or anti-Bok will reasonably concede that with some 20+ offences ‘missed’ (15 Wallaby / 5 Boks) by friend Lawrence that something is amiss – combine this with his handling of the Wallaby / Ireland match, his Super Rugby Crusader /Sharks Super Rugby performance…..the list goes on,and on,and on, and less so than Barnes, they’re not typical North / South interpretive issues – he’ssimply way too erratic to make sense of?
Perhaps a forensic audit of the man’s financial affairs is in order? Based on what we’ve continually witnessed, combined with the fact that the referee alone can most certainly have a material influence on the outcome of a rugby match, then the feasability of betting syndicate involvement must surely be considered, investigated and some kind of feedback made available for the public? This has already destroyed cricket – as global rugby lovers, we should be united in ensuring that the same does not happen to the game that we love – regardless of who wins from time to time
October 12th 2011 @ 11:44am
Pierce said | October 12th 2011 @ 11:44am | Report comment
Is he wearing a nice new watch?
October 12th 2011 @ 1:34pm
Atawhai Drive said | October 12th 2011 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Pierce, is that a historical reference to Ken Rowlands, the Welshman who refereed all four “Tests” between the NZ Cavaliers and the Springboks in 1986? After the series, won 3-1 by the Springboks, I seem to remember he was presented with an expensive watch by SA rugby supremo Louis Luyt. The suggestion is that it was for “services rendered”.
October 12th 2011 @ 1:57pm
Glenn Condell said | October 12th 2011 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Didn’t the same thing happen with Derek Bevan in SA WCup 95 – it might even have been Luyt who presented it.
No ref’s going to throw a game for a Rolex, but still. I watched Bevan ref the 98 Bled decider again last night on Fox, and he was terrible. Really, just awful – no advantage in prime attacking situations, ruck penalties for things ignored in the next ruck, arbitrary scrum decisions, the lot.
Good to watch that again; what the current side lacks that the 98 vintage had (apart from Eales, Horan etc) was patience and persistence A couple of tries came after 15 or 20 phases. The other thing they had was a flyhalf who could put the rest of them into space, and defended like a demon.
‘It is a mystery how Lawrence was even handed the QF’
It’s a mystery how all officiating appointments are made isn’t it? I can’t believe those decisions are still made behind closed doors without supporting rationales made public. Joubert has been the best so far and barring some disaster or other this weekend should get the final.
October 12th 2011 @ 2:59pm
Pierce said | October 12th 2011 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
Yep to both
October 12th 2011 @ 7:59pm
PeterK said | October 12th 2011 @ 7:59pm | Report comment
Ivan you do realise that attacking teams get penalised as well. In some cases attacking penalties have outnumbered defesnive ones.
Everyone is buying into the myth that because the boks had more possession / territory they were the better team, AND the Wallabies would of been penalised more.
1/2 the game is defense. If you look at the poor tackle completion rate of the boks their defense was far worse. The boks could of been penalised in a significant number of tackles / rucks in attack when their players leave their feet sealing off the ball. It was partly due to this illegal tactic they maintained so much possession.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:38am
Jeff said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:38am | Report comment
I was surprised to read in the rules that collapsing the ruck is an offence – that’s all that happens at every single breakdown! Either get rid of that law or enforce it.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:41am
Big Cam said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:41am | Report comment
I think in a sense the Wallabies had learnt from their experience of being reffed by Bryce Lawrence in the game against Ireland and having first hand experience of how much he let the Irish slow the balll down at the breakdown and learnt from that. I think he reffed that game far worse than this one and just as when the aussie fans complained in the aftermath it was labelled as sour grapes there is plenty coming from the Boks fans this time round. To claim that Lawrence was biased and cost the Boks the game is just sheer one eyed nonsense. The Wallabies received a total of four penalties for the match and Berger would have infringed 3 or 4 times that on his own, the Wallabies were dudded on a shocking forward pass call when in a strong attacking position and you could argue that O’Conner should have been able to retake the try conversion after the Bok player broke early. If we had narrowly lost I would remember all of these things clearly and dwell on them.
Bottom line is the Boks played very well in a sense of controlling possession and territory but failed to execute when they had the chance. The ref didn’t throw forward passes of cough the ball in the tackle. The Wallabies played a game where a major part of their game was pretty poor, mainly due to Cooper handing the ball back to the Boks every time he had it, but a couple of parts of their game were outstanding with the main one being their defence.
Undoubtedly the Wallabies got away with one here and there will be many occassions when the Boks play worse than this but win.
October 12th 2011 @ 11:11am
ruggerman said | October 12th 2011 @ 11:11am | Report comment
cheers, Cam, not sure if you’re referring to my article on the ‘bias’ accusation, but if so, re-read and please note that i make no mention of bias being at all to do with it. Lawrence was awful overall, at the breakdown as well as in a few other respects (I didn’t even mention the forward passes or the charge on O’Connor’s Kick) But I felt the breakdown was where the game was won and lost and the wallabies exploited this area mostly in their own 22, which largely came as a result of illegal contesting for the ball, be it entry or hands, thus why i chose to focus on those examples. What needs to be considered is the amount of penalties in kickable positions that could have gone to each team. If you go back over the game and have i look, i think you’ll find the boks were robbed of many, many more opportunitiues. That’s not to say it would’ve won them the game, especially considering that restarts can be such a momentum shifting weapon. All I’m wanting to point out is how different the shape of the game could’ve been had it been refereed correctly and that the world cup, let alone test matches, is the last place we should see examples of such inaccurate, inadequate refereeing.
October 12th 2011 @ 12:45pm
Red Kev said | October 12th 2011 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
You can’t apply that “what if” scenario because if the penalties had been given to the Wallabies the ball would not have been in a kickable position for the Springboks. The domino effect is too large to even roughly predict in a what if scenario.
October 12th 2011 @ 9:49pm
ruggerman said | October 12th 2011 @ 9:49pm | Report comment
“That’s not to say it would’ve won them the game, especially considering that restarts can be such a momentum shifting weapon. All I’m wanting to point out is how different the shape of the game could’ve been had it been refereed correctly and that the world cup, let alone test matches, is the last place we should see examples of such inaccurate, inadequate refereeing”
umm…i think i said something about that.
October 12th 2011 @ 1:08pm
Big Cam said | October 12th 2011 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Ruggerman, the comment about bias was not in referenc to your article but I have seen the accussation in some other forums. One important thing to remember is that great openside flankers, and I am comfortable to include Pocock in that class with Berger being no slouch either, have traditionally played the game as close to the limits as allowed by the referee. Had Lawrence set the tone early with a couple of penalties for hands in the ruck, not staying on the feet or coming in from the side then the players would have adjusted to this. The Aussies were playing to the whistle and in your view constantly infringing. A different ref could change this dynamic completely and the players would adjust. You can not just assume all other variables stay the same if you change one.
Who knows what a game played with a cleaner ruck and faster phase ball might have produced. It may even have provided far more counter attack opportunities for Beale, O’Conner and Digby.
I am in complete agreement with most here that Lawrence is a very poor ref and that there is just far too much inconsistency in the way in which refs interpret the breakdown, scrums et at this level.
October 12th 2011 @ 9:54pm
ruggerman said | October 12th 2011 @ 9:54pm | Report comment
Absolutely agree with you, Cam and i did mention it would be hard to assume a change in that area would have definitely benefited the Boks. My key point is that both teams, the spectators and the occasion deserved better. I’m not here to whinge and whine, nor to necessarily single out Lawrence as the only ref at fault. It’s an issue for the IRB refereeing panel to clarify the jobs of these guys so it’s less of a toss up. It seems like test rugby is become a lottery, not a contest based on which team can get the better of their opponents.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:01pm
PeterK said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:01pm | Report comment
ruggerman – the boks ALSO exploited the breakdown by sealing off the ball, they left their feet constantly in trying to guarantee possession and not allow a contest.
October 12th 2011 @ 9:05am
DanSA said | October 12th 2011 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Yip, agree, not lets move on. The only people who can change anything are the IRB and the guy in charge of the referees. No team wants to go into a match which becomes a lottery and every team has a referee who they have less favourable results from.
What pisses me off is that all the top nations prepare and invest for long periods of time, just to be affected by below par refereeing. But then again rugby is not unique in that
October 12th 2011 @ 11:03am
ruggerman said | October 12th 2011 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Cheers, Dan, good to see A FEW people managed to get the crucial message inside the article. Your point of it being unique to rugby is an interesting one and makes me think of the (IMO) blights of cricket, in which the result is so often stifled by umpiring decisions which could be overturned with available technology. My issue is not that there is some leeway and the occasional mistake by referee’s in rugby, but that there is such a huge portion of referee’s floating around who just don’t police the laws, particularly at the breakdown. There will always be an element of human error, but Lawrence’s performance could have some thinking he might be in a late stage of dementia. As i said in the article, the Boks were stripped of the ball at the breakdown illegally several times inside the wallabies 22, where I believe the breakdown laws should be implemented at their most stern. The current interpretations are there to punish teams for slowing down attacking ball and the majority of this world cup has seen teams constantly entering the 22, having their ball slowed down more than it has been anywhere on the field and then no punishment. 2007, anyone? The only difference is that the penalties aren’t being given, instead the entire area is just being ignored, maybe because it’s easier? who knows.
October 12th 2011 @ 9:26am
Lazza said | October 12th 2011 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Gert Bezuidenhout!!!! karma. Suck it up
October 12th 2011 @ 11:37am
Strayan said | October 12th 2011 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Just in case some non-NZ readers didn’t get that reference, see this article about SA reffing and player behaviour in the apartheid era:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=10639172
October 12th 2011 @ 10:06am
ExRef said | October 12th 2011 @ 10:06am | Report comment
“The IRB must review the structure of the laws of the game, in order to ensure at least to some degree, that every game has a consistency about the way it is officiated, refereeing should have little to do with ‘interpretation’ of a written law”.
Did you sleep through the entire middle of the last decade? Did you miss the ELV process entirely? Your article simply reflects overly simplistic solutions to complex problems. Rugby League is about as simple a football code as you can get and refereeing problems don’t disappear, even with simple rules or byadding another referee. Here’s some earth-shattering news for all you ref-bashers: referees are human. They make mistakes, and sometmes (like players) have shockers. Human error is part of a game played by humans. NOTHING will ever change that.
I’m not a particular fan of Bryce Lawrence but he did not affect the outcome of the QF. Australia’s defence, among other factors, did.
October 12th 2011 @ 10:10am
DanSA said | October 12th 2011 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Really? Did not affect the outcome at all? Seems other ex international referees do think he had an effect. But ok, I’ll take your word for it then
October 12th 2011 @ 10:54am
ruggerman said | October 12th 2011 @ 10:54am | Report comment
The issue is that Lawrence failed to police an ENTIRE area of the game. The ELV’s were a disaster and allowed teams to get away with way too much, the current structure aims to give the attacking team, who holds onto the ball, the upper hand. The arguement is more to do with Lawrence and other referees, who fail to police such a large chunk of the rules, being properly reviewed and punished as a player would be for a poor performance. No one cares about rugby league here, so your reference is outrageously invalid, simple rules for a simple game.
If referees in rugby are fit enough (another area which Lawrence appears to fall short in) and they actually know the rules, the current rules aren’t that diffucult to enforce, at least to a reasonably high accuracy rate.
Lawrences performance was reflective of someone from Sweden, who’d seen maybe 2 or 3 games of tests rugby and just managed to gain an understanding of what goes on, being handed the whistle. But the game could also benefit from further clarification at the breakdown for referees, rather than a number of catch phrases to describe what they’re supposed to see to define an offence.
I also think it of vast importance that penalties for killing the ball inside the 22 render a more serious punishment, to enhance the risk and reward of slowing and controlling the ball in that area. The article doesn’t aim to provide a solution, but to highlight a problem, so your ridiculous accusations of me not having any idea what I’m talking about despite the rounded and knowledgeable nature of the article, suggest that only you, have little idea what you’re on about.
Try adding something constructive to the comments section next time, champ, as opposed to irrelevant, unwarranted abuse.douche.
October 12th 2011 @ 5:15pm
Sledgeandhammer said | October 12th 2011 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
Comments regarding the ELVs are interesting. Rugby is currently being played under the ELVs, many of which were adopted. I think you are probably referring to a couple of specific laws, such as the free kicks for offences other than fouls or offside.
I also see a massive contradiction in your article – you state “When test rugby stops being about the 15 warriors from one nation going out there to outwit, out-muscle and dominate the 15 warriors of an opposing nation, we are facing a serious problem.”
And yet, that is exactly what we got on the weekend. The lack of referee intervention made it exactly what you want, 15 warriors trying to outmuscle each other. I think what you actually wanted was a contest between two football teams played under specific laws, which if enforced, would have meant the contest was won by the team that abided by the laws of the game most effectively as interpreted by the referee, regardless of the ‘muscle’ or endeavour of the players.
October 12th 2011 @ 5:32pm
AC said | October 12th 2011 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
The ELVs (at the international level) were an unmitigated disaster because they were a compromise, and a compromise that opposing parties knew would fail.
There doesn’t ever appear to be enough analysis of this. For example, the original ELVs made the ruck a free-for-all (hands allowed etc) so long as you played the ball on your feet and arrive through the gate. The counter balance to this is that if you took the ball into contact and the ball was subsequently deemed unplayable, you lost possession at the ensuing scrum.
Now if you remove this clause that allows hands in the ruck, what do you get? You get the opposition making the ball unplayable (with the feet) and getting the scrum feed. So now taking the ball into contact is much more risky as you don’t retain possession if it’s unplayable. So what do you do? You kick it away and let the other team make that mistake. But they don’t — they kick it away too. So you get the kick fests that we saw during the internationally adopted ELVs.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:21pm
PeterK said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:21pm | Report comment
The current laws are VERY difficult to enforce and get right at the breakdown.
You have to look at roughly in order
Do players cleanout by attacking the head and neck
1) Does the tackler release Immediately
2) Does the tackled player release, pass, or place the ball Immediately
3) Do players arriving go off their feet (sealing off the ball) MOST IGNORED LAW
4) Is there a player on their feet (not bridging) playing the ball before a ruck has formed
5) Do we have a ruck yet ie 1 player from each side over ball ONLY THEN DO WE HAVE OFFSIDE LAWS IN PLAY
but remebering the player noted in 4 is alowed to still play at the ball using their hands despit a ruck forming over him
6) Do players interfere (clean out) more than 1 metre away from the breakdown (AB’s do it all the time and it is missed since refs concentrate on what is in front of them)
7) Do players cleanout dangerously using shoulders only
9) Do players bind when joining the ruck (another ignored law)
10) Do players come through the gate
11) Do players join the ruck head below shoulders
12) Do players slow the ruck down by playing the ball on the ground
13) Do players obstruct by being in front of the last feet and not bound
14) Do players hold players back
15) Do players play the ball whilst off their feet
16) Are both sides behind the last feet (mainly the defensive side)
At least 16 things to look for, and some are in front of you, some are on either side, some are well away from the breakdown.
Remember this all can ahppen quite quickly say 4-5 seconds and you dont have tv reviews to look at.
So I disagree that it is an easy thing to do.
October 12th 2011 @ 8:29pm
Ivan Nel said | October 12th 2011 @ 8:29pm | Report comment
thats a good point – it must be extremely difficult to watch everything – but then there are refs who can do it – surely the IRB should remove below par refs. Surely theres ref academys that coach these things into them ?
I think i need to become a ref. Im too old to play for the Boks now, but maybe i can contribute to the game in that way instead.
Just dont let me ever ref a Bok game, cause it would be hard for me to remain impartial when my team are out there.
I recall now an interview with craig joubert where he was asked if he had a favorite team. He said no, he has favorite players – I know that Richie McCaw is one of those.
Just hope he polices the game fairly this weekend.
October 12th 2011 @ 11:46am
Pierce said | October 12th 2011 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Another f***ing referee.
October 13th 2011 @ 12:14am
Falk said | October 13th 2011 @ 12:14am | Report comment
Rubbish!
October 12th 2011 @ 10:22am
Happy Hooker said | October 12th 2011 @ 10:22am | Report comment
What a load of unadulterated crap