What I learnt from Melbourne Victory vs Adelaide United
By katie lambeski, 18 Oct 2011 Katie Lambeski is a Roar Guru
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Adelaide United hosted Melbourne Victory on Friday night in a match that always stirs the passions of the fans. In an electric atmosphere, the hosts defeated the Victory 1-0 through an opportunistic Sergio van Dijk goal. Here is what I learnt.
Melbourne Victory
1. What a difference a week makes
Compare the reaction after last week’s game against Sydney to this week. The reaction after this week’s game on twittersphere was extraordinary after this game.
Apparently, Mehmet Durakovic should be sacked, Carlos Hernandez shouldn’t start ever again and Harry Kewell is a waste of money. My belief is that a side with plenty of attacking options is going to take time to adjust.
This side needs to figure out what is the best set-up, and fast. It is going to take time, just not sure how much time there is for the Victory to do so.
2. The defence is thin
Here is the Victory’s defensive stocks available for this week’s Melbourne derby: Vargas, Fabio, Foschini, Franjic, Ferreira and Broxham with the last two names there midfielders more than backs. A little thin, isn’t it?
Adrian Leijer, as captain, should have known better than to get himself sent off. His suspension leaves a gaping hole in defence, one I’m not sure how will be plugged.
3. Might be time to change shape
The last two games have seen the Victory start in a 4-2-3-1. Against Adelaide, Kewell started as the lone striker with Carlos Hernandez in the hole.
It might be time for Archie Thompson and Kewell to start together up the front. Harry was isolated alone starting as the lone striker and Archie wasn’t at all effective out wide.
I’d suggest a 4-1-3-2, with Kewell and Archie up the front, Rojas and Cernak on the wings, Hernandez in behind and Brebner screening.
4. Durakovic needs to use his subs better
A few curious decisions from Mehm on the sidelines against Adelaide. I agreed with Solorzano on for Thompson (who struggled), but taking off Rojas (who was clearly the best player for the Victory) was questionable.
5. Try Isaka Cernak at defensive midfield
Cernak is a player that works hard, can tackle and win possession. Mehm could do worse than placing ‘Izzy’ as a holding mid, possibly next to Grant Brebner or even in place of the feisty Scot.
Final point: There should be no panicking from the Victory now. Things are going to take time, and I’m confident that the problems they have at the moment will be sorted out.
Adelaide United
1.What a difference a week makes
United were very poor against the Glory away the week before. The Adelaide team that played the Victory looked a markedly different team to the one that played in Perth and in a much better way
2. Dario Vidosic will have a big season
Vidosic wasn’t quite ready for his sides trip to Perth the other week, but he was the key for Adelaide against the Victory.
Starting behind van Dijk in a 4-2-3-1, Vidosic looked in good touch and was probably man of the match. Against Perth, United looked like they were missing a quality touch in the midfield and now they have got it in Vidosic.
He will form a great partnership with van Dijk.
3. Susak and McKain are rock solid
The new Adelaide defensive pairing are quality pick-ups for Adelaide. Milan Susak, ex-Brisbane defender, put in a very strong performance against the Victory, possibly man of the match.
Experienced defender and captain Jon McKain also gave nothing away. I get the feeling that this central pairing will be hard to get through.
4. Sergio van Dijk will be a goal machine again
Last year’s golden boot winner pounced on a very poor backpass from Victory defender Fabio to fire a shot past keeper Ante Covic to, as it would turn out, win the game for United.
Van Dijk has a lot of ways in which he can score goals. Whether on his bald head, a rifle of a free kick (witness his free kick against the Victory last season) or pouncing in the box, van Dijk will be a key to how far United go this season.
5. Fortress Hindmarsh
I can’t see Adelaide dropping too many points at their home ground. They love playing there.
Victory players looked a little intimidated by the hostile atmosphere the fans produced, just look at Ante Covic’s (almost costly) blunder in front of the Adelaide fans behind goal.
I’ll back the Reds to win at Hindmarsh almost 100% of the time.
Final thoughts: Their performance against Perth was an abberation. With Vidosic in, the side looks settled. They are set for a big season.
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October 18th 2011 @ 8:38am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | October 18th 2011 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Nice work Katie and a good read. I see you are based in Melbourne—my only advice to you would be to include the Storm, the Hearts and Melbourne Victory in your favourite Football teams on your profile. Having just Essendon doesn’t cut it for me on the Football Tab.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:22am
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:22am | Report comment
thanks mate
October 18th 2011 @ 8:46am
Kasey said | October 18th 2011 @ 8:46am | Report comment
I thought Susak started poorly but settled quickly and made up for the few handling errors he made at the beginning. I hope this week he picks up where he left off instead of giving the supporters heart in mouth type situations by being too slow to release the ball coming forward into the midfield zone. That said, the mcKain/Susak combo did mark HK completely out of the game and looks to be a great pickup for a Reds defence that strugled going in to the Finals last year after selling Fyfe to Busan I’Park in Korea.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:23am
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:23am | Report comment
agreed…looks like he’ll form a good partnership with McKain…they’ll be the key for them
October 18th 2011 @ 9:03am
Victree said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Not worried. Silly mistake cost us the goal. Always going to be tough coming back having your best defender sent off. Carlos and Soloarzano could have pinched an equaliser late in the game. Like your idea of putting Isaka as a DM.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:25am
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:25am | Report comment
you are right to an extent, I don’t we were as bad as was being said, things need time to work out
October 18th 2011 @ 9:51am
TomC said | October 18th 2011 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Am I the only person who thinks that the MV defence is going fine? Its the midfield that’s the problem.
The solution is not to take away defensive midfielders. The first thing to try is have one of the attacking midfielders drift a little deeper, to allow the others to stay closer to goal.
Perhaps Durakovic should try a 4-3-3, with Solorzano, Thompson and Rojas up front, and Kewell sitting ahead of Brebner and Broxham.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:02am
Bozza's Wig said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:02am | Report comment
No you’re not alone. I think our so called ‘threadbare’ defence has held up really well.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:27am
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:27am | Report comment
midfield needs to lift…Brebs hasn’t been at his best for these couple games, but I do believe our defence is thin. Take Vargas and Leijer out and there isn’t much. I love how Foschini and Franjic are coming along, but I don’t think they are quite the finished product yet
October 18th 2011 @ 1:09pm
TomC said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
I’ve been pretty happy with both Foschini and Fabio, apart from the obvious couple of mistakes by the Brazilian.
Foschini may be more comfortable pushing forward on the right if we could rely on the midfield to hold the ball for any length of time.
October 18th 2011 @ 10:22am
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 18th 2011 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Nice one, Katie – agree with most of your “learnings” from this match.
However, I must say, you are a very brave person to publicly expose what you’ve learnt … seems most of the things we all learnt from last week’s MVFC v SFC match didn’t continue into R2!
In relation to Cernak, I like your idea, however, given Cernak is used to playing wide, last week I suggested he could be ideally transitioned into a right wing back. He has a good football brain, is strong in the tackle and will crosses the ball well – three traits that, currently, are not obvious with Matthew Foschini.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:01am
Bozza's Wig said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:01am | Report comment
I actually think young Fos has done really well in the first two games. His confidence (and performances) will only grow.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:31am
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:31am | Report comment
agreed…the future of our club
October 18th 2011 @ 11:33am
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:33am | Report comment
thanks mate
I put my opinions out there, i’m not afraid to do it. Cernak as right wing back might be something worth considering
October 18th 2011 @ 10:56am
Fauntleroy said | October 18th 2011 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Its all well and good to say “things will take time”, but we’ve just come off the longest pre-season in football history! In addition, Mehm had a number of Asian Champions League games as well. Are you suggesting that seven months is too brief to decide on formations and player roles?
I’m sorry, but when teams like Brisbane are hitting the ground running, and Melbourne are still waiting to blossom “in the fullness of time”…in addition to the fact that they’re still making additions and deletions to their playing list, it can only be concluded that something has gone seriously wrong in the football management department. As it is, Brisbane are already 5 points clear.
I have serious concerns for Melbourne’s coaching and football management staff. Between Mehmet, Muscat and Awaratife, we have a very inexperienced trio trying to manage what is a very demanding list. We can only hope Mehmet is a wonderful tactician, because what he has presented so far seems to be someone who is overwhelmed by the situation. Not unlikely, given his greatest coaching achievement is a very poor few years with Melbourne’s youth team.
Mehmet should have been brought in as assistant coach, an experienced manager (from the list of “over 70 quality applications”) should have been brought in, and Muscat shipped off to learn his craft elsewhere.
What I do agree with is that defence, whilst not the best, isn’t our key problem. Its our midfield. Cernak as a defensive mid, or even Rojas as a creative mid, might be the answer. Because Brebner and Broxham is clearly not going to work.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:06am
Bozza's Wig said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Relax. What did Ernie achieve as a coach before he took charge in season 1? It’s only 2 games into the season. Get some perspective. Mind you if we don’t beat heart this weekend I’ll be calling for Mem to be sacked
October 18th 2011 @ 12:18pm
Fauntleroy said | October 18th 2011 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Indeed, what did Ernie achieve in Season 01.
If you think Melbourne fans are going to be content with writing off Season 7 as a lead up to a killer Season 8, then perhaps they’re more patient than I perceived.
Look I expect MVFC to come good in the second half of the season, but by then it will be too late. I just find it odd, that after articulating a new era of ambition, the board opted for a very inexperienced and not particularly well credentialed coach to lead this team.
I won’t judge Mehmet by his media appearances – its not everyone’s strong point so that’s fine. But you must admit, coming our of the adelaide game and saying “we missed our chances” and basically blaming the ref!! What chances is he speaking of?
Then, coming off the match the week before and saying “I wanted to sub Harry but he wanted to keep playing!”
To me, that rings some serious alarm bells. Ditto the fact that it looks like Muscat, and not Mehmet, is running the show from the sidelines.
October 18th 2011 @ 12:56pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 18th 2011 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
@ Fauntleroy
Did you have the same views about MVFC’s season this time last week, or is it the 90 minutes at Hindmarsh that has led you to realise the 1st half of the season will be a write off?
If MVFC plays brilliantly on Saturday, will you have to revise your analysis again? Or, will you remain resolute that the season is over now that we’ve played 2 matches?
Regardless of the result, or the style of play, on Saturday night – after 3 games of football – I still won’t be able to reach any intelligent conclusions – positive or negative – about the remaining 24 matches.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:12pm
TomC said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Hmm. If MVFC can’t get it together in the first half of the season, I don’t know why they’d find it better in the second half.
I’m beginning to have serious concerns about Durakovic, as well. I was comfortable with his appointment after a creditable performance in the ACL, but nothing I’ve seen so far suggests he has a particularly good strategy for getting the most out of this team.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:47pm
Victree said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Harry fluffed a chance, Leijer miss kicked when Harry chested a ball down for him in the 6 yard box, Carlos had a shot that just went over, Solo almost one on one didn’t shoot early enough. We had some clear cut chances. Aside from Covic’s great save in the first half, Adelaide’s chances came once Leijer was sent off. Like I said, it was always going to be hard coming back when your best def gets carded but we nearly pinched it. I’m not going to worry on one poor performance two games in.
PS: Injuries and the youngest squad in the league is what gave us such a poor first season.
October 18th 2011 @ 11:31am
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 11:31am | Report comment
the ACL side is very different to the one playing now and you cannot compare game time with pre-season training. There is a massive difference between MV and Roar being that, the Roar have a set system that Ange can fit anyone in to, Victory are still finding it…thanks for the feedback
October 18th 2011 @ 12:11pm
Nathan said | October 18th 2011 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Yeah I’m not too worried, it’s going to take time to gel, people expect them to gel straight away just remember we are not in Europe. Our two main rivals Sydney and Heart are having problems as well so that eases the pressure on us. The formation and tactics were always going to be hard to sort out and Mehm knew that and he told everyone but no one seemed to listen. People expect Kewell to just set the A-League alight in 5 seconds, those people need to really smarten up. No one player will have an instant impact especially a player new to the league. My main argument is there isn’t enough support up front to help Rojas. He should only be taking on one player not three at a time because there is no one to pass to. If you watched Wellington their two strikers would support him when he pushed forward. I think he is our key to winning rather than Kewell or Hernandez or Archie.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:01pm
Axelv said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
I think Melbourne’s best lineup is close to the one they had against Sydney,
Foschini–Leijer(Franjic since red)–Vargas–Fabio
—–Celeski/Broxham—Brebner——
Rojas—Kewell—Archie
——Solorzano/Allsopp——
Everyone was critical of Allsopp against Sydney, but he ran hard at the defenders, creating space for the others such as Kewell, Rojas, Thompson. Solozano was also brilliant when he came on against Sydney, but had to solo it against Adelaide, because the formation and combination of players was entirely different we were also down to 10 men when Solorzano came on. Everyone hates the defensive midfielders but every team needs them, I’m not sure if just having Brebner by himself is viable, Broxham does work hard and cover lots of area’s. Kewell needs to be allowed to play, he was brilliant in midfield on the first week, linking players, putting in through balls and taking the shot when having the space. As for Hernandez, bring him on as a sub later on, perhaps when the other team’s defense is tired. We can’t fit everyone at once.
Remember it was only their goalkeeper that stopped us from scoring 5 goals! So many 1 on 1 chances and near misses! at least 5+ golden scoring chances.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:10pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
I’m with Katie – I want us to play 4-1-3-2
——————–Covic
Cernak—Franjic–Vargas (Leijer)—Fabio
————-Brebs/Ferreira
Rojas ———-Carlos———–H
———Archie———-Solorzano
However, there are 2 provisos for playing this team:
1. We need players to work hard when the DON’T have the ball and try to win it back within 5 second
2. We need players to be UNSELFISH and pass the ball rather than try to dribble past 2-3 opponents – yes, I’m talking to you: Rojas, Archie, Solorzano & Cernak!
IF we implement the above 2 instructions that team will be unbeatable in the HAL. But, it’s a big “IF” and we haven’t yet managed to follow either instruction over the past 180 minutes.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:16pm
TomC said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Fussball, I think the critical part of your number one point is that we would need our attacking players to spend more time dropping back and helping out the defenders, and playing the ball around in the middle of the pitch.
The problem is that, in a perfect world, Kewell, Rojas, Hernandez, Solorzano and Archie would each be getting the ball around the box where they can do some damage, not further up the pitch.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:27pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
@ TomC
That should not be req’d if we are disciplined and playing that tactic well. The tactic is about winning the ball back as soon as it is lost. So, we need our strikers and AM to press immediately – high in the opposition defense – harassing the opponent with the ball and cutting off the obvious passing options.
For me, it’s about having a good football brain on the park – rather than a good engine. The smart footballer doesn’t need to run around like a greyhound to win back possession; he sizes up the potential passes and covers the angles.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:59pm
TomC said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
I’m afraid I disagree with pressing the opposition high, Fussball. We would leave too much space in the midfield for the other team to work in. Plus the forwards would tire quickly.
It may be a workable strategy if we drop Carlos, and Kewell gets a bit fitter.
I’m afraid we just don’t have the smart footballers who can win possession in the way you suggest, at least not in the back half. Celeski in 08/09 was that kind of player, but unfortunately not any more.
October 18th 2011 @ 2:09pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
That’s how football should be played in my opinion. It was Guus’s philosophy when in charge of our NT and it is also Pep’s imperative at Barca. Pretty sure Ange has also issued that edict to his players.
In relation to “gaps” in the midfield – there shouldn’t be any. If a team is disciplined it keeps a tight control over “the lines”.
Some analyst mentioned that he noticed Brisbane now tries to play a very disciplined off-side that has the final defender almost on the half-way line when Brisbane has the ball.
Again, when I watch Brisbane I don’t see any players running around like headless chooks. The running is constant, measured and intelligent.
October 18th 2011 @ 1:24pm
Axelv said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
1 defensive midfielder? you’re dreaming!
When has 1 defensive midfielder ever been deployed? Except at Real Madrid a few years ago when they were conceding 5 goals a game? Their back 4 were left entirely to their own much of the time.
October 18th 2011 @ 2:17pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
When? I’d say every week when with the lads at the Nou Camp but the highest profile football match this season had the winners playing with 1 DM only.
2011 UCL final: Barcelona 3 -1 Man United (Wembley)
Bacelona’s starting XI
——————-Valdes———–
Alves—Mascherano—-Pique—Abidal
——————Busquets———–
—Iniesta———————-Xavi———-
Villa———Messi—————Pedro
October 18th 2011 @ 2:41pm
Axelv said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
point taken, but we aren’t Barcelona
Our team would get thrashed and have no defensive capability without a second holding midfielder.
October 18th 2011 @ 2:46pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Dare to dream, Axelv – let’s show this A-League how our Dream Team can really play football! Then, the non-MVFC brigade will really have something to hate us for
October 18th 2011 @ 1:42pm
Victree said | October 18th 2011 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Stuff it lets go for;
covic
foschini, franjic, vargas, fabio
rojas, carlos, harry, cernak
arch, solorzano
we win 8-4!
October 18th 2011 @ 2:22pm
jmac said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
basically, I think mehm got it pretty right against sydney, then stuffed it up in order to fit carlos in the team. understandable, that, given the quality of hernandez.
but I think it’s clear he has to make a decision on harry v carlos. neither player gives enough in terms of defending high, and to have them both on the field is a liability in this sense.
in an attacking sense, one should be enough centrally – if Mehm continues to play with width via Rojas and Archie.
no cause for panic in the back half – apart from having a thin squad.
October 18th 2011 @ 2:48pm
jmac said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
by the way, I forgot to say katie, I’ve been enjoying your articles – nice work..
October 18th 2011 @ 4:24pm
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
@jmac thanks mate I appreciate that
I really hope it doesn’t come down to Harry v Carlos for a spot in the XI…I’m sure they can fit together somehow, in the 4-1-3-2 i mentioned in the article
October 18th 2011 @ 5:31pm
jmac said | October 18th 2011 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
I hope one day that on this, I’ll agree with you! I’d love to see them together in a functioning team.
I just think that first, H needs to be fitter, and carlos needs to further move towards being a player who will do something when not in possession. otherwise I think the DM would be too exposed.. a crime for which mehm’s predecessor was shown the door, let’s remember..
but I’m loving this debate. let’s hope this embarrassment of attacking riches turns out to be the boon for the club that it should be
October 18th 2011 @ 2:27pm
Midfielder said | October 18th 2011 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
Katie
Sorry for the topic changing … BTW have enjoyed the posts and your article…
I started a thread on the MV fans Forum pertaining to TV ratings…
Its interesting and I post here because its the only football article running today… on page two its gets very interesting… Fuss, Q, and others Katie of course I think you may find it interesting…
http://www.melbournevictory.net/forum/showthread.php?59405-Ratings
October 18th 2011 @ 4:24pm
katie lambeski said | October 18th 2011 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
thanks for that