The Rugby World Cup is over, let the rugby speak again
By sesenta y cuatro, 24 Oct 2011 sesenta y cuatro is a Roar Rookie
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The World Cup 2011 is over and finally the All Blacks have got a monkey (you can call that monkey a King Kong, if you like) off their backs.
It’s a most suited time to say it loud, to say it from an All Blacks’ fan perspective: the Rugby World Cup is a very over-rated tournament.
Yes, we are all happy because they (the All Blacks) have it. Chokers? Have we got rid of that word for good? Good.
We have been waiting for this to happen for ages. And in the end, satisfaction is what remains. They have got it. They managed to win the ‘thing’.
But now, let’s put it clearly: this tournament, like every World Cup, cannot be the only thing that matters in international rugby. No way.
When twenty-odd years ago, Australia and New Zealand came up with the old idea of having a global tournament to sort out who was the leading rugby team, someone should have warned them that the most dangerous dreams are those that are fulfilled.
Take the Tri Nations, for instance.
How high have you rated this 2011 edition? Do you really care that the Super XV has got an Australian winner, a decade after the last of the Brumbies’ victories?
Do you really think England is the leading northern hemisphere team, as they have won the Six Nations tournament?
The World Cup has had such a success that it is really threatening to make international rugby meaningless except once every four years!
If we look at the tournament in hindsight, we must agree that rugby must be glad that the All Blacks have lifted the trophy.
Would you have felt any good if the team to win the Webb Ellis Cup had lost two pool games?
What about the semi-final game against the brave Welsh? If only Leigh Halfpenny’s kick had travelled 50 centimeters farther, the French would have succumbed to a 14-men Wales.
Is that what you would expect of the winner of a trophy, that supposedly sorts out the best team in the world? The fact that the All Blacks only got their hands on the trophy after numerous passages of play where the French team were clearly superior, speaks volumes of the nature of the tournament and what would have happened if only Stephen Donald’s penalty had fared a bit wider.
South Africa and Ireland have, in my opinion, played better than their fate in quarter-finals suggests.
Wales, too, have received less reward than they deserved and the French, although they have a very strong team (as we have been reminded in a very physical final game), didn’t play particularly well.
Now for the next four years, the task for the All Blacks shall be to live up to their billing as reigning world champions.
I am sure they will and here I must add here that not every team has managed to do so after a successful World Cup; most notably England, after their magnificent 2003 win.
A great deal of international rugby reputation will rely on how well they fare. And I wish, for the sake of the All Blacks and for the sake of the international rugby, that they play as well as they have throughout this tournament.
Next year, a new version of the top southern hemisphere competition shall be held and Argentina will joined the ‘Big Three’; and lots of other excitng things are going to happen in international rugby while we may be lazily waiting for the 2015 date to arrive.
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October 24th 2011 @ 9:07am
Bazza all black said | October 24th 2011 @ 9:07am | Report comment
I reckon a change in tournament format is in order. A qualifying pools then a set of round robins…
Totally with your other comments, this bloody tournament is a distraction. Finally we knocked it off and now concentrate on the actual rugby
I am so happy that the best team of the world has the final slur lessor nations could throw at it. Love that argies are joining thectri nations,!
October 24th 2011 @ 10:47am
Adams said | October 24th 2011 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Yes you finally have it Bazza. Of course it wont be long before some wit suggests that both of the AB WC’s are kind of soft, as you only seem to be able to win it with a home advantage….
October 24th 2011 @ 6:01pm
Chuck said | October 24th 2011 @ 6:01pm | Report comment
I’d say winning it at home is harder than winning on the road.
Only two teams have managed to win at home in the history of the World Cup.
South Africa and New Zealand
October 24th 2011 @ 1:14pm
Lorry said | October 24th 2011 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
the world cup is not a distraction…
it is 1 of just 3 great world sporting events
agree that it shouldnt totally take over other rugby, but I dont think it does… Not for fans anyway….
October 24th 2011 @ 3:59pm
Sprigs said | October 24th 2011 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
” Love that argies are joining thectri nations”
Too right. We will all see much more of this name: Amorosino.
October 24th 2011 @ 9:10am
Rob9 said | October 24th 2011 @ 9:10am | Report comment
I think the Reds achievements this year still stand out. They won the top domestic prize in the southern hemisphere and it stands a part from the international scene. The tri nations on the other hand was a joke. Tri (4) and 6 nations shouldnt be played in world cup years to preserve their importance as credible regional tournaments. With the competition everyone is concerned about played later in the year, the tri nations was abused with b teams being used at different stages in the tournament. Not how the tri nations should be treated.
As for the French they showed exactly why they made the world cup final last night. They along with the ab’s produced the final that this tournament deserved. I question whether any other team including our own could have troubled the blacks the way that the french did last night. It’s a knock out tournament and if the french had another 3 pointer in them they absolutley would have deserved to be crowned world champions.
October 24th 2011 @ 11:56am
mace 22 said | October 24th 2011 @ 11:56am | Report comment
Yes your right commenting as an australian Please do chuck in the tri nations as well. But for us over the ditch the biggest achievement is the rugby world cup.To us World champions sounds a wee bit better than tri nations or super 15 champs, and thats for the next four years.
But having said that I put more on having the No 1 ranking than the rw cup. Winning the cup means I won’t have to hear the four more years or chokers tag and get down about it.
October 24th 2011 @ 1:06pm
Rob9 said | October 24th 2011 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
No doubt the world cup is the pinnacle of the sport at the international level. In my opinion the Tri Nations is one of the premier regional international tournaments in Rugby and to maintain the glory associated with winning the Tri Nations it shouldn’t run in the same year as the games premier event. As a Wallabies fan, Tri Nations Champions means nothing, and even if we did win the world cup it still wouldn’t mean a hell of a lot considering both SA and NZ used b/c squads at some stages of the tournament. If we win next year when it’s the major tournament that we’re involved in for the year and all of the teams will be in it to win it and not being concerned about preserving players and building depth, then that will definitely soften the blow of the RWC campaign and it will be trophy worth having in the cabinet.
To me you can’t compare an AB’s world cup title and a Reds Super Rugby title. Two different levels of the game. It’d be like comparing Manly’s GF win with an Australian 4 nations win (if that happens). As a Reds fan I was over the moon about their amazing season this year and in no way is it a reflection on how the Wallabies or AB’s went for that matter. It was never going to be.
October 24th 2011 @ 9:21am
BA Sports said | October 24th 2011 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Wow. The Rugby World Cup was a huge disapointment, but i don’t know why I am suprised.
Four tries in the two Semi Finals and the Final doesn’t boast for a game which will draw in new viewers. Infact as we saw, now they struggle to kick goals as well. If Rugby can’t do that what can they do?!
But at the end of the day, lets face it on the weekend of the Rugby World Cup final i would be willing to bet that more people around the world woul dhave been watching EPL, NFL and probably even the World Series in Baseball – and if we were still in the throws of football season in this country, it would barely have rated a mention in our local media as well. So is the Rugby World Cup Final really that big a deal… In NZ i guess…
October 24th 2011 @ 9:56am
Silver Dragon of the South said | October 24th 2011 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Boo!!! you’re negative…boo!!! negative BA Sports….boo!!! negative BA sports… boo!!!!…..boo negative BA sports!!! boo….you’re negative BA sports…boo!!!…boo!!!…you’re negative BA sports…boo…boo…you’re negative BA sports….boo…boo…you’re negative BAsports…Negative = BA sports…boo!!!…BA sports = negative…you’re negative BA sports…boo!!! Negative = BA sports…boo!!! you’re negative!!!
October 24th 2011 @ 11:02am
mitzter said | October 24th 2011 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Tries does not equal excitement. These were not kickathon games (except the Wales-French game) they were very exciting
October 24th 2011 @ 2:07pm
Quakezone... said | October 24th 2011 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
BA Sports your obviously not a rugby fan and don’t understand the game at all….Or maybe just sour grapes….
Hillarious, why comment on a rugby site…why not just leave well enough alone and follow the sports you would like to…
WORLD CHAMPION ALL BLACKS…
Won by 1 point…Who cares? WE WON!!!
French were the better team….Who cares? WE WON!!!!
All Blacks play poorly and it wasa boring Final….Who cares? WE WON!!!!
What BA Sports thinks… W _ _ C _ _ e s? WE WON!!!!!
WORLD CHAMPION ALL BLACKS!!!!
October 24th 2011 @ 12:03pm
mace 22 said | October 24th 2011 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
BA Who cares Stop trying to rain on our parade it won’t work. But if it makes you feel better go ahead.
October 24th 2011 @ 1:15pm
Lorry said | October 24th 2011 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
I think there should be no Tri-Nations and no Northern Hemisphere tour in a world cup year…
All the focus should be on the world cup with only warm up matches played throughout the year, then the players should get a long rest after the world cup – it’s only once every 4 years,…
October 24th 2011 @ 7:37pm
soapit said | October 24th 2011 @ 7:37pm | Report comment
you might want to look into whether the new world champs could afford to compete in a tournament with that setup.
October 24th 2011 @ 4:03pm
ohtani's jacket said | October 24th 2011 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
I’m glad it’s over, glad we won it and glad we don’t have to hear anymore about how we haven’t won it for 20 years. I don’t know if you can expect this All Blacks side to remain dominant as their World Cup victory was the culimination of many years of effort and not the beginning of some bright new era, but they will try to win every test just as they have done throughout All Black history and hopefully the obsession with the World Cup is less suffocating than it has been for these 20 years. Can’t really think too far ahead to next season as the past two months was exhausting, but I always miss rugby during the offseason and it will be a longer wait this time to the next All Blacks test, but at least I can have a life again on weekends.
October 24th 2011 @ 4:07pm
Chuck said | October 24th 2011 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
Now we can start ribbing the Aussies it’s been 16 years (well would’ve been by the time the next cup comes around)
October 24th 2011 @ 7:35pm
soapit said | October 24th 2011 @ 7:35pm | Report comment
you’ll have better luck ribbing us about the ashes, until we win it again
October 24th 2011 @ 4:09pm
stillmissit said | October 24th 2011 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
OJ – Congratulations on a well won victory to the AB’s. I really enjoyed the game and rate it as the best final ever, due to the guts and determination from both sides. Nothing was left out there and apart from some ordinary kicking it was a game for forward purest’s and hopefully the rest of the watchers enjoyed it.
October 24th 2011 @ 4:23pm
ohtani's jacket said | October 24th 2011 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
Thanks, stillmissit. Can’t say that I enjoyed the final but we hung in there.
October 24th 2011 @ 5:46pm
soapit said | October 24th 2011 @ 5:46pm | Report comment
i think the four yearly cycle is the main problem. to fix it i’d have a 10 nations championship played every 4 years (2 years after each cup) where every team plays once. i’d split it into two halves with the northern teams coming south in june for the first half and then south go north in november with the trophy being awarded to whoever won the most games.
i worked it out once and it would only involve a handful of extra games than is played now in non world cup years but would add some meaning to those internationals and break the 4 year cycle. would also be a different style of rugby played to the knockout world cup.
NH would get on board as they’d tend to have the deciding rounds played there each time. SH would get on board as you’d get more likely full strength squads sent. i would think TV would be worth more as well if the games had some long term context.
October 24th 2011 @ 5:55pm
soapit said | October 24th 2011 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
each team plays each other once that is (9 games each). pacific nations could have the option of hosting in aus or nz to maximise revenue.