GWS Giants think big at the AFL Draft
By mds1970, 28 Nov 2011 mds1970 is a Roar Guru
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The aspirations of a crop of young footballers were on the line when the AFL held their draft on Thursday evening. For the first time the draft was held in Western Sydney, a place that many of the country’s elite young footballers will now call home.
And so the who’s who of football made their way to the State Sports Centre at Homebush. Coaches, recruiters and list managers for all 18 clubs, the AFL Commission, plenty of media, the aspiring players, and members of the public – about 1,500 of them – who took advantage of the opportunity to see who would end up at their favourite clubs.
The AFL Commission was placed at the stage at the end, with a media area at the other end of the hall. In between, each of the clubs had a table as club officials sat and discussed their upcoming picks.
The picks had been allocated according to last year’s positions, but with new team GWS Giants being allocated extra selections to enable them to build a team from scratch. The recent trade week had also seen picks in the draft change hands as clubs exchanged picks for players who were keen to switch clubs.
The top ten draft picks had already been selected behind closed doors. The draft began with those players being counted down. Not an entirely satisfactory arrangement; it would have been good to see those players being selected. And in this draft, with GWS Giants holding eight of the top ten picks, including all of the top five, there was little surprise as the top ten players were counted down.
As the top ten selections were named, the players who had been chosen came up to the stage, where the coach of the club they had been drafted to presented them with their jumper. The first name read out was Liam Sumner, the number ten selection, who will now be moving to western Sydney.
The names were read out, from ten to one. Jonathon Patton, who this year played under 18s with Eastern Ranges in the Victorian TAC Cup, was the top pick. A key position forward, he already stands at 197cm; and when the obligatory photo of the top ten draft picks was taken, Patton towered over the other players. Patton will be looking to carve out a place in the Giants’ forward line.
Patton and Sumner will be joined at the Giants by Stephen Coniglio, Dom Tyson, William Hoskin-Elliott, Matthew Buntine, Nick Haynes and Adam Tomlinson. Chad Wingard joins Port Adelaide and Billy Longer is now with the Brisbane Lions.
After the top ten had been counted down, the draft continued. With each pick, the club spokesman read out the player registration number, his name and his previous club. A couple of times they had to repeat it, when microphones weren’t switched on correctly, while the Hawthorn microphone was very faint all evening.
But the draft continued through the first round, with every player selected 18 or 19 years old. Priority and compensation picks were next, and again young talent was selected.
GWS didn’t participate in the second round, they had traded their second round pick during the trade week in their successful quest for extra early picks. And the first player over 20 was selected, the first recycled player; with Carlton selecting former Sydney rookie Sam Rowe.
In the third round, several eyebrows were raised when the Western Bulldogs read out the name “Daniel Pearce”. But this wasn’t Danyle, the experienced Port Adelaide player, but a namesake.
Most of the fourth round picks had already been allocated before the draft. These were elevations from the rookie list, while Collingwood listed Jarrod Witts, the last player on the now-defunct NSW Scholarship scheme.
A few mature-aged draftees had been selected, with Geelong signing up the 29 year-old Orran Stephenson. The Cats had success when the ready-made James Podsiadly joined the club two years ago, and again the Cats have shown that there is hope for the late bloomers, that not being selected as an 18-year-old isn’t necessarily the end of an AFL aspiration.
The father-son rule saw Tom Mitchell, son of Barry, join Sydney; while Andrew Bews’ son Jed is following in his father’s footsteps at Geelong.
GWS Giants, the youngest side in the competition, pulled off a surprise by naming Setanta O’hAilpin. The delisted former Carlton player had another chance at AFL level, and brings some experience to the Giants. James McDonald, former Melbourne captain, also comes out of retirement to join the Giants.
But former Carlton forward Brendan Fevola was overlooked by every club. At 29, and after a string of off-field incidents, this looks to be the end of the road for the former Coleman Medallist.
The draft was completed, the coaches and players heading to the media rooms to discuss the talent of the players and their new homes and new challenges.
For GWS Giants in particular, it was a night to celebrate. The club had been a long time in the planning, and had already developed a list of young players who had played in the NEAFL this year, had signed up uncontracted players during a special transfer window; and with their many draft selections, their list is now complete.
The players, officials and supporters of the new club gathered to celebrate another milestone in the Giants’ development. 12,000 foundation members, every corporate target met and surpassed, a top-class training facility at Blacktown, Skoda Stadium under construction, and now a list that coach Kevin Sheedy will be working hard with in preparation for the season ahead.
Sheedy, ever the visionary, was beaming with pride as the Giants’ squad was presented. He spoke of Tom Wills and Henry Harrison, the founders of the game, who were born in western Sydney and that the Giants was taking the game home. He spoke of being a part of history, of being a part of growing the game in an area where the game has struggled for traction in the past.
Phil Davis, who signed with the Giants from Adelaide during the transfer window, took the stage. He spoke of growing up in Canberra, where AFL is a minority sport, and how he hopes the Giants will cause more people both in western Sydney and Canberra to aspire to the AFL. He was joined on the stage by top draft pick Jonathan Patton. Patton spoke of being excited, how being drafted is a dream come true, and looking forward to being part of a new franchise and a part of history.
For the drafted players, challenges lie ahead. These players undoubtedly have talent, but many are raw and need to work in around their clubs’ game plan. Plenty of them are moving out of home and relocating interstate. Slotting into the senior team, for many, will take time.
But the opportunities are enormous. To be an AFL listed player is to be part of Australia’s sporting elite. But who from this draft will be the superstars of the future? Time will tell.
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November 28th 2011 @ 2:00pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
Who will be the stars? Picks 1 and 2 are clearly ready to play from round 1, and if they stay with GWS, will become their first two 10 year players, guaranteed.
Bringing the game back to its spirtiual home in Western Sydney – now who would want to argue with that?
November 28th 2011 @ 2:06pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
Photos from yesterday’s Giants family day, looks like a good turn out:
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/giant-day-out-photos.html
November 28th 2011 @ 3:00pm
mds1970 said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Was a very enjoyable day. About 2,000 fans there, the membership and merchandise stalls had plenty of sales. Sheeds & the players were interviewed, did autographs and ran an Auskick clinic for the kids
Part of me is in one of those pics, although my face is obscured – I’m wearing a polo & scarf holding my camera in the pic where Sam Schulz is having a giggle. I put some of my pics up on the GWS Giants Facebook page.
November 28th 2011 @ 7:11pm
stabpass said | November 28th 2011 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
Sounds good, seeing you have your finger on the pulse of GWS much more than the majority of us here in internet land, what is your guesstimate for membership, crowd figures, best players and most importantly the number of wins next year.
November 28th 2011 @ 7:32pm
mds1970 said | November 28th 2011 @ 7:32pm | Report comment
The Giants had 12,000 foundation memberships – as a benchmark, Gold Coast had about 10,500 the previous year. The Suns had about 13,000 this year; so going on a similar trend line, 15,000 would be the target for GWS. The split between Sydney and three games in Canberra complicates it a bit.
The local derby in the season opener should draw a bigger crowd than Gold Coast’s season opener; but one game in Blacktown and three in Canberra may affect the averages.
So it’s guesswork, but I’ll say 15,000 members, 18,000 average home crowd, three wins.
November 28th 2011 @ 7:46pm
stabpass said | November 28th 2011 @ 7:46pm | Report comment
Cheers for that.
Couple of pre-season games in Blacktown and Rouse Hill to sell memberships i would imagine, maybe even Campbelltown ?.
I wonder if any financials will be available for the GC and GWS (after next season) to see what amounts of red and black ink there are scribbled over them.
Are there any forecasts at all ?.
November 28th 2011 @ 8:38pm
mds1970 said | November 28th 2011 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
There’s a NAB Cup triple header at Blacktown, with the Giants playing Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs. I guess they’ll go hard on membership sales at that. The Giants’ other pre-season games are in Tasmania and Albury. The final week of the pre-season isn’t yet allocated, but (unless the Giants surpass all expectations and make the NAB Cup final) the last week of the pre-season is likely to be in Canberra.
There is a pre-season game at Rouse Hill, but the Giants aren’t playing in it – and I can’t see that the Swans or North Melbourne would be too keen on the idea of selling Giants’ memberships
November 28th 2011 @ 8:54pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 8:54pm | Report comment
Rouse Hill? Is there a Rooty Hill as well?
November 28th 2011 @ 9:00pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 9:00pm | Report comment
Having the Pies for the triple header, and then an opening game agaisnt the Swans is about the very best fixturing they could have done to encourage memberships.
Personally I think memberships of 15k and attendance of 18k is probably at the very upper end possible, in all likelihood, it will be a bit less than that, by around 10%.
Three wins is definitely possible, but really hard to guage – I can’t help thinking just two more bigger bodies would make a lot of difference, and that’s an area where the suns really fell down last year with only around 8 players witih AFL experience – I’ve always felt that the Giants need around 12 mature bodies for their first season.
November 28th 2011 @ 9:22pm
mds1970 said | November 28th 2011 @ 9:22pm | Report comment
Rooty Hill is in the Blacktown area – it’s the suburb where Blacktown Olympic Park is, and also the massive Rooty Hill RSL club.
Rouse Hill is not that far away as the crow flies – it’s on Windsor Road past Castle Hill. It also has a good AFL facility at Bruce Purser Reserve, just round the corner from the Mean Fiddler.
November 28th 2011 @ 9:37pm
stabpass said | November 28th 2011 @ 9:37pm | Report comment
Is Rouse hill considered GWS territory or Swans, being NW of the city it seems to be a bit in the middle ?.
Considering the Swans are playing there i guess answers my question.
November 28th 2011 @ 11:34pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 11:34pm | Report comment
I would have thought that Baulkham Hills would be part of GWS territory, so anything NW of that would have to be part of GWS’ zone.
Homebush would be around the border of the two zones?
November 29th 2011 @ 12:32pm
clipper said | November 29th 2011 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
It’s a funny situation. All the hills area (except, obviously, Rooty Hill) would be horrified to be included in with the west, even though geographically, they’re in it. The trick would be for GWS to try and get them in with the new team line, rather than being a team for western Sydney. They do have quite a few Aussie Rules teams in that hills area, certainly a lot more than around the Rooty Hills area.
mds1970 – has the Mean Fiddler improved of late? Used to always be in the top 3 most violent venues, but haven’t heard much about it recently.
November 29th 2011 @ 2:01pm
mds1970 said | November 29th 2011 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Correct. Auburn Council, which includes Sydney Olympic Park, is zoned to GWS. But anything to the east is zoned to the Swans.
The Hills is very strongly GWS zone. Although it’s not all that far from Blacktown, it’s an affluent socio-economic area (Hillsong country). It has reasonably strong junior numbers, and the local Sydney AFL club that plays their home games at Bruce Purser, Sydney Hills Eagles, has won the last three Sydney AFL premierships and has been accepted into the NEAFL for 2012.
It’s a bit curious why a Swans v North trial is being played there. It may be a ground availability issue; most grounds are used for cricket in early March.
November 29th 2011 @ 5:57am
The Truth said | November 29th 2011 @ 5:57am | Report comment
Looks horribly dull, like any commercialized family outing. Hard to see this plastic franchise garnering actual adult supporters.
November 29th 2011 @ 7:15am
The Cattery said | November 29th 2011 @ 7:15am | Report comment
Adults aren’t really the key here.
November 30th 2011 @ 8:05am
The Truth said | November 30th 2011 @ 8:05am | Report comment
So each home match will be just a big daycare? Great future for that franchise.
November 28th 2011 @ 2:11pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Speaking of coming back home, Setanta was actually born in Blacktown hospital and lived the first five years of his life in Western Sydney before migrating to Ireland (Irish dad and Fijian mum):
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gws-draftee-setanta-ohailpin-at-home-in-western-sydney/story-fn4hg9de-1226207489151
November 28th 2011 @ 2:42pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
GWS and Sheeds talking up again their intention to raid the pies’ playing stocks.
These blokes are on the final year of their contract in 2012:
COLLINGWOOD PLAYERS OUT OF CONTRACT AT END OF 2012
Nick Maxwell
Travis Cloke
Scott Pendlebury
Harry O’Brien
Ben Reid
Steele Sidebottom
Heath Shaw
Luke Ball
Dayne Beams
Sharrod Wellingham
Tyson Goldsack
There are three or four very big names there, but even if GWS couldn’t land one of the big fish, some of the lesser lights, especially the young blokes would still be handy.
November 28th 2011 @ 3:03pm
mds1970 said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
There’s a few names on that list I wouldn’t mind seeing in the charcoal and Orange. Especially Scott Pendlebury.
November 28th 2011 @ 3:38pm
Ian Whitchurch said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Look at who GWS have signed.
Frontloaded : Scully, Ward, Davis, Palmer
Cheap : Sam Reid (the Bulldogs one aka ‘Ward’s little mate’)
Fired Old Guys : McDonald, Brogan, Cornes, Powerm o’hAilpin
Cheap Rookies : Everyone else.
On Good Money 2013 : No one
In 2014, everyone in “Rookies” who has had decent game time will be wanting a substantial raise.
2013 is the only window for GWS’s next batch of signings. Oh, look, thats when Pendles cuts loose, and players as good as him dont go in the draft (well, except for Plugger, and that was special circumstances).
November 28th 2011 @ 3:59pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
Yes, I can see that, good financial planning.
November 28th 2011 @ 3:11pm
Jaceman said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Setanta – born in western Sydney of islander and Irish background – perfect – even if he couldnt play they would have picked him – note also Tom? Downie of Ballarat basketball fame – another nugget along with Brogan to attract the Western Sydney basketball crowd…
November 28th 2011 @ 3:13pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
Would Brogan still be remembered amongst the NBL fans?
November 28th 2011 @ 6:53pm
mds1970 said | November 28th 2011 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
The basketball was a long time ago, but he was in a championship-winning side with the Adelaide 36ers. I don’t recall him as an NBL player, I don’t know how good he was or whether he was a prominent member of the team, but the fact that he has both NBL and AFL championship titles is well known in sporting circles.
November 28th 2011 @ 7:05pm
stabpass said | November 28th 2011 @ 7:05pm | Report comment
Did the West Sydney Slammers actually have any fans !.
For a number of years the biggest city in Australia did not even have a basketball team in the NBL, the sporting culture of Sydney leaves a bit to be desired at times, hopefully GWS can carve out a decent niche.
November 29th 2011 @ 1:26pm
Jaceman said | November 29th 2011 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
I was referring to the many kids that play basketball in GWS
November 28th 2011 @ 3:15pm
TW said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
This article discusses the next upcoming drafts in December.
The name Waylen Manson appears in the article – He is the subject of much discussion in the WA footy world. Apparently has heaps of potential but there are doubts if he will move anywhere.
Waylen is regarded as a “desert kid” very close to his family.
Perhaps the drafts to come next month could be combined better with the main draft. IMHO the main draft has become too big in numbers.
Link–
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/126608/default.aspx
Video clip of Waylen Manson
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/404465/waylen-manson-2011-highlights/
November 28th 2011 @ 3:15pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
AFL has just given 17 players permission to train with clubs in lead-up to the pre-season and rookie drafts.
One interesting name is Harry Cunningham from Turvey Park, from around Wagga, part of the Riverina league. He’s got permision to train with the Swans, but I wonder why GWS would let him go given that forms part of their zone.
November 28th 2011 @ 3:20pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Does anyone know whether Sydney’s draft pick, Lockyer, is related to any of the other famous Lockyers?
November 28th 2011 @ 3:25pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Actually, he’s the son of former Eagle, Andrew Lockyer, and I imagine he is some sort of relative to Tarkyn as well.
November 28th 2011 @ 4:58pm
Jaceman said | November 28th 2011 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
The GWS will pump up Brogans previous sporting life – I will stake my house on it…
December 2nd 2011 @ 10:02am
Ian Whitchurch said | December 2nd 2011 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Also note Tom Downie, their late round ruck pick, was fundamentally a basketballer.
Here’s an article in the local paper about him
http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/downies-a-player-on-the-up-in-aussie-basketball/1583422.aspx
Heres his FIBA record
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/79269/sid/4718/tid/239/_/2010_FIBA_U17_World_Championship_for_Men/index.html
December 9th 2011 @ 11:53am
Jaceman said | December 9th 2011 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Brogan , Downie, the team name and the strap line (play big think big etc) are a great selling combination amongst the many western Sydney basketballers..
November 28th 2011 @ 5:52pm
TW said | November 28th 2011 @ 5:52pm | Report comment
Yes he is related to Tarkyn
November 28th 2011 @ 6:07pm
The Cattery said | November 28th 2011 @ 6:07pm | Report comment
thanks
November 29th 2011 @ 12:18pm
Roarchild said | November 29th 2011 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Not a huge AFL fan but the 29 year old getting drafted by the Cats is a good story.
Would be a decent subject for a documentary.
November 29th 2011 @ 1:51pm
mds1970 said | November 29th 2011 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
That may come. Possibly with him and James Podsiadly, who was taken as a mature-aged draftee a couple of years ago and played in the Cats premiership side this year.
A lot of the focus at the draft is on the kids. But it’s good to see that there is hope for the late developers, and that someone overlooked in this draft doesn’t have to abandon all hope of ever playing at the highest level.
November 29th 2011 @ 5:12pm
Tony said | November 29th 2011 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
Thanks for that gr8 description of Draft night & GWS activities, MDS. I was interested to read reports today of the NRL clubs conference now happening. Combatting AFL in the west is always mentioned. The AFL & GWS certainly is getting good publicity from the NRL.