Tendulkar vs Ponting: An old debate in a new light
By Shivaji Thapliyal, 5 Dec 2011 Shivaji Thapliyal is a Roar Rookie
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It is not the first time the colossal talents of Sachin Tendulkar and Ricky Ponting have been compared and it certainly won’t be the last, but let us attempt to compare them in as comprehensive a manner as possible.
Let me explain what I mean when I say ‘comprehensive’.
The usual tendency is to compare the two modern-day greats on the basis of their batting skills alone but let us compare the two on the basis of everything a cricketer is supposed to bring to the table.
‘Everything’ includes batting, bowling and fielding skills and virtually anything else that a cricketer can do to make his team win which, importantly, would include captaincy skills, being a team-man and the like. This, one may stress, is what determines the true value of a cricketer.
Now, let’s begin with batting skills. If one were writing this article some years ago when Ponting’s test average was pushing 60, he then looked the standout batsman of his generation but a lot of water has flown under the bridge since then.
Not only has Ponting’s form suffered dramatically, one might say, by his own exalted standards, the last few years has seen an unbelievable resurgence from Tendulkar.
While Ponting’s average has plummeted, Tendulkar’s has improved materially. Today, Tendulkar boasts of an average of 56.25 and Ponting’s stands at 52.23. Now, this is not a huge chasm between the two but i’ts certainly not a difference to scoff at.
A whole lot more is revealed when we break this average down further. The most relevant questions in this regard are, simply: What is Tendulkar’s average in Australia and what is Ponting’s in India? One need not go back to our old friend Google for this as it is fairly safe to say that Tendulkar’s is above 50 and Ponting’s below 30. And that, my friends, is a huge chasm in every sense of the word!
If we turn our attention to ODI cricket, we will find that Tendulkar’s average stands at 45.16 and Ponting’s at 42.63. Additionally, and importantly, Tendulkar’s strike rate of 86.13 also meaningfully exceeds that of Ponting’s 80.6. So, here too, the differences are significant enough to render this a no-contest.
It is very important and perhaps even more interesting to note that such differences did not exist between the two for a major part of their careers. The fact that they ran neck and neck for so long is the very reason why one started the debate in the first place!
What really happened? What made Tendulkar pull away from competition in this manner? How and where did Tendulkar manage to discover these hidden reserves in him that the Energizer bunny finally has competition? That, ladies and gents, seems like the billion dollar question.
Yet the answer is very simple, but one that is likely to spark debate. The answer may even be dismissed as jest by some but, nonetheless, let the answer be revealed.
The answer is that Tendulkar stopped bowling! Huh! That’s right, he stopped bowling so that he could concentrate solely on batting and concentrate he did.
Remember what happened when Irfan Pathan’s, Brett Lee’s, Mitchell Johnson’s and Harbhajan Singh’s batting improved? Their bowling standards fell! There is old Hindi proverb that translates as “It is not wise to keep each leg on a separate boat”. It almost always spells trouble. Tendulkar, for his part, has completely removed this risk from his cricket.
He has transferred his entire value as a bowler to his batting and that should be significant since he was no once-in-a-blue-moon bowler by any standard. Ponting was hardly a bowler and so, there was nothing he could have done on that front.
So, the entire period when he ran neck and neck with Tendulkar as a batsman, it was the latter whose value as a cricketer was higher but that never really got noticed.
There are two more issues to consider. Fielding and captaincy. To many, Ponting is the better fielder but here too, one has an interesting take. Ponting was the better fielder in the circle but Tendulkar was superior in the outfield. A rather interesting and very important piece of trivia about Tendulkar is that he was the fastest to complete the 100m dash in most Indian cricket squads chosen over the years.
On the issue of captaincy, again, had this issue been raised some years back, the answer would have been a no-brainer in favour of Ponting but Australia’s slide down the test rankings and Tendulkar’s performance as Mumbai Indians’ helmsman has evened things out.
In conclusion, Tendulkar stands out as the superior cricketer. Not necessarily by far but in light of the discussion above, one would be inclined to believe that the answer is clearer than before. This is not a discourse that intends to diminish the magical talent of Ponting nor is it one that is fixated on statistics.
We know that the lightning swipe through the off-side and the brutally powerful swat-pull, the latter to nullify a genuinely quick bouncer even during the days when test pitches were a lot quicker, are Ponting trademarks that ought to take this debate into a different realm altogether. But, for now, we only hope Dhoni doesn’t toss the ball to Tendulkar!
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December 5th 2011 @ 4:16pm
Karan said | December 5th 2011 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
I think Lara was raw talent that you would never see again, but Sachin worked much harder on his technique, as far as big innings i beleive he scored 175 against Australia and India lost but not his fault. 200 against top notch SA attack. Those scores indicate he was a great player. However Lara at his best and on his day, is second to none. Lara and Ponting had more flair in their game, Sachin much more technical
December 5th 2011 @ 7:15pm
smithha said | December 5th 2011 @ 7:15pm | Report comment
If only Jacques Kallis had captained… Statistically the greatest cricketer of the last twenty years.
December 6th 2011 @ 6:56am
Bearfax said | December 6th 2011 @ 6:56am | Report comment
You’re quite right Smithha. Kallis was/is an extraordinary talent. Not the best bat around (though up there) but certainly the best all rounder in the past 20-30 years.
December 6th 2011 @ 2:45am
AndyMack said | December 6th 2011 @ 2:45am | Report comment
Go onto Stats Guru on cricinfo and compare Ponting and Tendulkar against all sides barring Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Last time I checked, Ponting had his nose in front.
Tendulkar isnt a flat track bully, but has got a few runs against some weaker opposition that Ponting just hasnt had the chance to make. Also no mention of the number of roads that Tendulkar plays on. How many tests in India do we see sides making 5/600 in drawn matches…???
I still put Tendulkar in front of Ponting, but by a nose, and only because Punter lost us the Ashes three times (hard to forget and forgive sometimes…..)
December 6th 2011 @ 10:32am
Johnno said | December 6th 2011 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Is Kallis a better batsmen then than.
Botham
Khan
Dev
Hadlee
Flintoff
He is surely not a btter bowler but if you had to pick a batter would Kallis get picked ahead of all those batters.
And this then brogans in another question at full fitness Shane Watson may well be up there in best all rounders in last 30 years.
yes Watto. Good batsmen , used ot bowl very quick 140-145km but still taking wickets.
Maybe Kallis is a btter all rounder than Botham,Dev,Hadlle,Khan,Flinttoff, just people don’t notice kallis as much, but amazing stats.
December 6th 2011 @ 2:15pm
Bearfax said | December 6th 2011 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
As an all rounder I think he is better than those cricketers. Sure he’s not as good a bowler as Hadlee, Khan, Botham, but they are no where near as good as he as a batsman….remember for a while there he was considered the No 1 batsman in the world statistically. His bowling is very competent though and he has been a front liner for SA as a bowler for the past decade. Yes Watson has the potential to be up there with the best as well.
December 6th 2011 @ 6:24pm
Rhys said | December 6th 2011 @ 6:24pm | Report comment
It’s impossible to split the pair of them in my book. On their day each could decimate a quality attack, and longevity wise their contribution to the game can’t be questioned.
It’s an interesting time in Test cricket, and one that arguably may never be repeated. 7 of the top 11 run scorers in the history of the game are still active in the game, yet it’s likely all 7 will retire within the next 2-3 years. The upcoming Australia v. India series will boast the 3 highest run scorers, in order – Tendulkar, Dravid, Ponting. It is unlikely that all three will be involved in the same series again, so regardless of the result, it’s a time to savour in watching these great players in the twilight of their careers.
It’s an easy stat to look up, but as a matter of interest to those not already aware of the numbers, here is a list of the ‘Magnificent Seven’ still at the career crease -
Tendulkar – 184 Tests; 15183 runs; 51 centuries; 56.02 average
Dravid – 160 Tests; 13094 runs; 36 centuries; 53.22 average
Ponting – 157 Tests; 12635 runs; 39 centuries; 52.64 average
Kallis – 147 Tests; 12005 runs; 40 centuries; 56.89 average
Jayawardene – 125 Tests; 9954 runs; 29 centuries; 51.30 average
Chanderpaul – 137 Tests; 9709 runs; 24 centuries; 49.28 average
Sangakkara – 103 Tests; 9167 runs; 27 centuries; 56.93 average
Of the other active (and established) Test players, I could only see the likes of Alastair Cook, Graham Smith, Kevin Pietersen, and Michael Clarke approaching those sort of career numbers. With a question mark hanging over the long term future of Test cricket, or rather it’s place as the preeminent form of the game, perhaps we are in the midst of an ‘age of greats’ that will never be repeated.
December 8th 2011 @ 10:15am
Frankie Hughes said | December 8th 2011 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Magnificent 7? Total tosh. Sangakkara and Jayawardene are flat track bullies. Their records outside Asia are average at best.
There aren’t any stand out players behind the likes of Punter, Tendulkar, Dravid and Kallis.
Players like Graeme Smith and Alastair Cook are ok, but will never be elite players. Cook may score 15000+ runs, but its due to the nature of the modern days pitches.
December 7th 2011 @ 5:48am
Nitish Ravi said | December 7th 2011 @ 5:48am | Report comment
Oh come on u biased people really make me laugh….comparing Ponting to Tendulkar in fielding n captaincy….whats hilarious is that u r judging sachin better than him.
Have u gone crazy or what??
Ponting was/is only second to Jonty.
Tendulkar must have let 500 runs go off his fielding throughout his career and Punter would have saved 2000 of them for his team.
Ponting at his peak was the better batsman that sachin at his.
Its really pathetic that u guys are even comparing him to ricky on leadership skills….PUNTER is the best skipper among all no doubt in that.
Overall Ricky is better than Sachin Tendulkar as a batsman, as a captain, as a fieldsman and as a Cricketer!
December 7th 2011 @ 8:53am
kumar saurabh said | December 7th 2011 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Nitish….why people say that test match is the real cricket….bcoz it exposes the technique and stamina of the player over 5 days…. in the same way…. the player is better who has gone the longest with dominating performances and stats….. sachin is overall better than ponting…. but yes….in fielding and captaincy….i wud say ponting is better than sachin…… but yes….if u give him the current team….it wud be the real test for his leadership….. the team he lead was full of champions…… same as dhoni is leading currently for india……anyway…freedom of speech is for everyone….so, we both sud b happy at the end
December 7th 2011 @ 8:46am
kumar saurabh said | December 7th 2011 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Hi all, although subjected to nationality of the reader but U cant understand what I am going to say, if u r nt an Indian. Personally, I believe that cricket is more a psychological game than physical. Its true that in each country, fans expects a lot to the best batsman of their team. check out the statement told by Virat Kohli when India won the world cup. If you consider the mental pressure on Tendulkar in terms of number of fans as well as the importance given to the sport of cricket in respective countries, there is no match between Tendulkar and others. being an Indian cricket fan, I personally know that what do i expect from him in each match. The condition is such that when others make 50, we applaud but when sachin makes even 50, we among ourselves discuss that oh no…. sachin got failed today…. i am telling u….. u cant measure this immense pressure on sachin by billions of indians not in millions as ponting and some thousands on Lara….. ask any cricket player…. this pressure is one of the decisive parameter for the performance of a player….. i dont know where u r gonna believe it or not….but it really exists…. even i am a big fan of Lara and Ponting……. but overall…..sachin is much ahead…..ya…fielding and captaincy… i wud keep ponting ahead….. but if u wud ask me to choose a final player for the team….it wud be sachin………from start to the end….. is anyone really matches with sachin? Lara was way inconsistent…… Ponting was better than him I would say (although controversial)…….. and guys plz, dont say that sachin is a flat track bully….. if u r saying so…it means that u dont know inside of cricket…go and get to know it first…….
December 7th 2011 @ 7:39pm
Johnno said | December 7th 2011 @ 7:39pm | Report comment
To me VVS laxman is the best inidian batsmen. He plays big innings in big test matches VS quality Aussie bowling attacks. Think Calcuutta 2001. I have never seen Tendulkar play with as much authority in big matches like VVS does.
VVS is the man,.
1) Lara -peopel forget to Lara made over 10,000 test runs, and some massive scores in coutnry cricket 501, and i think even 400 in test cricket.
2) VVS 2
3)ponting
4) sewhag
5) gibbs most talented batsmen i have ever seen just out pipping kevin peterson
6) Tendulakr rate ohm but over hyped
7) puretalent gilchrist/symonds but never stepped up gilly enough in big test matches and hard to compare coming in at no 7
But still the undisputed heavyweight champion of the World since Bradman
1 word VIV Richards
December 7th 2011 @ 7:39pm
Johnno said | December 7th 2011 @ 7:39pm | Report comment
To me VVS laxman is the best inidian batsmen. He plays big innings in big test matches VS quality Aussie bowling attacks. Think Calcuutta 2001. I have never seen Tendulkar play with as much authority in big matches like VVS does.
VVS is the man,.
1) Lara -peopel forget to Lara made over 10,000 test runs, and some massive scores in coutnry cricket 501, and i think even 400 in test cricket.
2) VVS 2
3)ponting
4) sewhag
5) gibbs most talented batsmen i have ever seen just out pipping kevin peterson
6) Tendulakr rate ohm but over hyped
7) puretalent gilchrist/symonds but never stepped up gilly enough in big test matches and hard to compare coming in at no 7
But still the undisputed heavyweight champion of the World since Bradman
1 word VIV Richards
P.S And really have a soft spot for Pollock, and barry richards too.
December 12th 2011 @ 2:16am
BOOLE said | December 12th 2011 @ 2:16am | Report comment
Hey comedian, how can you compare ponting’s captaincy of Australia and Sachin’s captaincy of Mumbai Indians and that too have the audacity to say that they are even… By the way MI haven’t won any Championship under Sachin and even if they had won 3 or 4 there is a huge difference between international teams and IPL teams… And tendulkar’s strike rate and average is high because he has played most of his career matches in India, where the pitches are batsman friendly (Tailor made for sachin to score runs) and the pitches ponting played on are quite different. Take a neutral venue like South Africa and England where the pitches are bouncy and swinging respectively… Compare their averages and strike rates there… Also Ponting at his prime was a better test cricketer than sachin at his prime. He has scored a hundred in both the innings of a test match (Something that sachin has never done). Ponting is also a big match player… Sachin is great, no doubt about that but ponting is a legend also. A comparison would be very difficult primarily because they play in different conditions… So just don’t write something for the sake of writing, analyse before writing anything…
December 12th 2011 @ 11:14pm
shobster said | December 12th 2011 @ 11:14pm | Report comment
Hey BOOLE! You would do well to listen to your own advice. You say dont write anything for the sake of writing but then you blurt out your own ridiculous reasonings. I have to admit, comparing Ponting’s captaincy of Australia with Tendulkar’s captaincy of MI was a bit foolish, but even you have to admit, that even an idiot could have captained that great Australian team with McGrath and Warne.
And why do people like you always go back to that tired line of Tendulkar scoring on flat tracks? If its that easy why does Ponting have an average of less than 30 in India. Hes been given plenty of chances.
Why dont you analyse before you write now? Go and have a look at Tendulkar’s average overseas. Its almost the same as his home average. He recently scored 2 centuries in S.Africa against Steyn and Morkel. And his overall career average is close to 60 in Australia. And his average in england is also 60 if not more. So please do your research before you spit out further rubbish.
As far as Ponting’s peak vs Tendulkar’s peak – Tendulkar’s peak was against, Warne, McGrath, Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh. He killed them all.
Can you name a few good (dont think you can find great so we’ll settle for good) bowlers that Ponting faced in his peak?
May 3rd 2012 @ 9:43pm
Shivaji Thapliyal said | May 3rd 2012 @ 9:43pm | Report comment
Boole,
You seem to be the sort of guy who draws conclusions to suit himself. Read carefully what I wrote…”On the issue of captaincy, again, had this issue been raised some years back, the answer would have been a no-brainer in favour of Ponting…”. So, I am well aware that when Tendulkar was made India captain, he had a sub-par stint including a home loss to South Africa.
But two things changed, Ponting was exposed as relatively poor captain who merely enjoyed success earlier on the back of an exceptional team and presided over Australia slide to as low as no. 5 in the world and Tendulkar regained some (not all) respect as a captain when he helmed Mumbai Indians. What the IPL captaincy merely proved was that Sachin could take the right captaincy decisions, only the stage didn’t happen to be international cricket. Not that IPL captaincy is trivial in any case what with cartloads of advertising dollars and big prize money being at stake all at once in this fiercely contested and competitive cricket league.
Hence, it can be said there is no material difference in captaincy skills. Neither is a Brearley and importantly, not too different from the other.