Melbourne Victory board to blame for missing fans
By philipcoates, 14 Dec 2011 philipcoates is a Roar Pro
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In all the press coverage last week about the Melbourne Victory versus Adelaide United match, one significant factor seemed to be overlooked: the Victory had one of its lowest attendance figures ever at Etihad Stadium for a blockbuster ‘arch rivalry’ match.
Several things that should have driven attendance upward were (a) the historical rivalry, (b) a Saturday night fixture, (c) Melbourne’s attacking stars – Kewell, Hernandez, Thompson, (d) a must-win game for both teams, and (e) a relatively strong advertising match by A-League standards.
The main aspect working to diminish the attendance was the promise of evening rain, but a Melbournian is familiar with Melbourne’s fickle weather and the stadium has a roof, so this shouldn’t have been a significant factor.
Melbourne Victory crowds aren’t usually fair-weather supporters like those of Sydney FC, so why only a shade over 16,000 for such an important match involving, far and away, the best attended team in the country versus their long-term arch-enemy?
The obvious initial answer is to be found in the football quality Victory serves up week after week.
Victory fans it seems are getting tired of Mehm’s, and lately Harry’s, constant pleadings that ‘things are getting better’, ‘we just need time to gel’, or ‘we were unlucky’. As Abraham Lincoln once said, “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time”. And after Round 10 the Victory fans are not being fooled at all.
For a team with such promise, Victory has not only failed to deliver this year, they have gone backwards from last year’s performances. The squad, bar Harry, had the longest pre-season yet but fans are still fobbed off with excuses of the players ‘needing time to gel’. Harry is clearly a consummate professional and I would have thought three, four or five rounds might have been enough to find his way in the team, but by week 10 he’s still ‘needing time’.
Victory’s new signings – Rojas, Solorzano, Cernak – have been spectacularly underperforming or often, not playing. Taking the field is a squad regularly featuring the likes of Celeski, Pondeljak, Vargas, Allsopp and Brebner, who have been great servants for the club, deserve huge plaudits for their efforts, can win a match on their day, but, really, are all two or three seasons past their best work.
As a supporter looking on, I’m left wondering if there are cliques forming between groups of players. There certainly seems to be disharmony judging by Solorzano’s recent tweet about being ‘lied to’, and Rojas looking for the world like a young man on the verge of crying.
One thing is certain – when the ‘new’ doesn’t work, and the ‘old’ doesn’t work either, something is clearly wrong and I point the finger at the management.
While the obvious answer to the question of Saturday’s poor crowd is Victory’s recent poor performances, both of these issues are simply symptoms of a greater ill that besets the club.
Mehm’s fighting words last week that, “I’m the boss” are true to a point but like any underperforming business, it is up to the board to get to grips with the issues and put in place direction and structures that allow the business to succeed.
Until Victory fans hear some fighting words from the board, and some changes in either personnel or attitude at the club, it’s the board that should be held accountable for Saturday night’s lack of interest from their otherwise loyal and vocal fans.
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December 14th 2011 @ 9:10am
Wotdoo said | December 14th 2011 @ 9:10am | Report comment
“promise of rain” it p–sed down hasn’t been that wet for a long tme and that was just a short walk from southern cross station
December 14th 2011 @ 12:15pm
Philip said | December 14th 2011 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
It p-ssed down 10 or 15 minutes before kick-off. Any fans that were coming would have been in the vicinity of the ground and headed for the stadium. It wasn’t raining during the afternoon and it wasn’t raining an hour before kick-off and I don’t believe the rain kept people away.
December 14th 2011 @ 9:15am
striker said | December 14th 2011 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Its fair to say they the Victory have 16,000 loyal supporters the rest are just casual supporters, still its an impressive number compared to the rest of the teams.
December 14th 2011 @ 9:41am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | December 14th 2011 @ 9:41am | Report comment
This has to be the HAL’s season conundrum.
December 14th 2011 @ 9:45am
Chris said | December 14th 2011 @ 9:45am | Report comment
So what happened to the much hyped Kewell factor? Wasn’t he supposed to bring crowds flocking to the grounds? And if he was on a bonus if crowds were above the historical average, does it work the other way too? Perhaps Harry will be writing a cheque made out the Melbourne Victory at the end of the season…:)
December 14th 2011 @ 8:57pm
Jack Russell said | December 14th 2011 @ 8:57pm | Report comment
He did bring them in. 40k or so to their first 2 home games. But a lot more than Kewell hype was going to be needed to bring them back every week. Surely the Victory knew who they were getting though – a big name hasbeen.
December 14th 2011 @ 10:04am
striker said | December 14th 2011 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Under Ernie Merrick they were a different confident team now there a rabble i dont know why they got rid of him i would like him to see him coming to sydney fc.
December 14th 2011 @ 10:17am
jbinnie said | December 14th 2011 @ 10:17am | Report comment
philipcoates – This is a very good analysis on what you perceive is a problem at the HAL’s best supported club.All the factors you mention and back up with good discussion points would appear to have some grounding in the data you use but the problem is, what to do????
Let’s be objective about the areas you mention.
(1) At board level there has been huge changes in the last 2 years
(2) At backroom staff level there have been huge changes in the last 2 years.
(3) At coaching level there have been huge changes in the last 2 years.
(4) At playing level there have been huge changes in the last 2 years.
The question then arises ,have these “changes” accomplished what they set out to achieve????
Playing level – you mention Rojas,Soloranzo,& Cernak and say they have been “underperforming”, a dangerous assumption, for what standard are you using to measure their performance.These players have been signed from other HAL clubs where,if one wanted to be cynical,one could suggest they were not classed as important enough for those clubs to retain their services.However in the instances of Rojas & Cernak it has to be said both are young enough to be influenced by a good coaching regime. Let’s not consider Kewell which has been a purely “fund-raising” exercise.Your “old hands” are getting on but until replacements are procured, what to do???.(ie The 3 you mention are all recognised forwards.)
Coaching- The board saw fit to get rid of a whole level of coaching structure based on that old “furphy”, “the team is not playing attractive,modern,entertaining football”. This is a nonsense, football, and how it is played, has been in a constant state of change and development for the last 90 years .That raises the question, was the board pressured into making a rash decision based on the “learned” suggestions from the football pundits who had their ear, or even the opinions of the multitudes that use sites like this one????.
Board level – This is a “no-go” area for the likes of you and me for,unless you have intimate knowledge of the people involved ,it is very hard to offer constructive criticism. From first hand experience on such boards it is correct to say they,the incumbents, will be the last to admit some of their decisions have been “wide of the mark” of the targets they are trying to achieve.
Back to the “now”. Victory’s last 2 home games have been watched by 16500 people which is still 1500 more than their average of last season.Heart, an FFA initiative in expansion,could present an apparent threat in attracting the “floating” football fan but so far it has not happened and is unlikely to unless Heart make a huge jump in playing the aforesaid “attractive” football.They are playing quite well just now but the crowd figures at both clubs do not indicate “mass migration”
So to your last statement. Is it MORE change in personnel that is required after the changes already made??.
Fighting words,or ,dare I say it,apologies, from the board to the fans??-I warn you Philip,don’t hold your breath waiting for the latter. jb
December 14th 2011 @ 12:56pm
philipcoates said | December 14th 2011 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
Thanks jbinnie for your comments.
Playing Level – I take your point about how to measure the performance of the named players. I would look at it this way – Rojas was brilliant against Celtic turning their defenders inside out, in the HAL matches he’s more likely to trip at the first tackle and he looks lost in midfield. Cernak showed some great speed and threat in wide spaces in the ACL matches and has done nothing of the sort in the HAL matches (perhaps played out of position?). Solozano was a goal poacher at Brisbane and but has fluffed all his opportunities when he has had match time (including one from 5 yards out last week with only the keeper to beat).
Coaching / Board Level – yeah, these are linked. The Board threw out the most successful coach in the league (which is in their right to do) and replaced him with an unknown quantity that was coaching a youth team with a losing record. The Board will have to live by that decision or at some point change it.
16500 to see the Gold Coast at AAMI is ok (though nothing to shout about). 16200 to Adelaide at Etihad is unacceptable.
The lack of strength from the Board is telling. Whether you are intimately involved or not we all see the public actions. For example, Solozarno should have been publicly reprimanded for his tweet. Unity is a must. Secondly, they should not say ‘Mehm will be given every opportunity to succeed’. What does that mean? It’s a blank cheque. What is ‘every opportunity’? The rest of this season, or perhaps next season. What is success? Top six, top four, top two? Do Mehm and the players know what is expected? As a fan, I have no idea what is expected. Sure, we cant live with constant changes but they must put some pegs in the ground, and if the current team o(n-field anb off-field) can’t deliver, then more change is inevitable.
I am certainly not holding my breath but it is up to the Board to take their own deep breath, acknowledge things are not right and tell us what they intend to do about it.
December 14th 2011 @ 10:44am
Chooka said | December 14th 2011 @ 10:44am | Report comment
1 thing I struggle it understand in victorys performances of late is the continued use of leigh broxham in the creative midfield role honestly how does a player of his poor quality get a game? He consistently turns the ball over, does poor tackles, when ever he gets the ball he always goes sideways or backwards cause he has no confidence to take players on and overall his just a poor player that doesn’t seem to be sidelined or dropped from the team, not long ago he made a statement to te media saying that he’ll leave the passing and that to players like Carlos or Harry and that he’ll stick to the tackling! How can a player who says this be put into a midfield like ours an be expected to create chances for our “star” studded forward line up!
This to me is where the real lack in victorys gameplan is lacking if you watch our games we get the ball in the midfield and pliers like celeski, broxham, pondeljak, and brebner just pass the ball sideways or backwards and they have no choice just play the usual old longball to Archie, we are so predictable ! This is a reason why fans like the south end chant ( the gold coast game ) that mem will out of the job on Monday, fans like myself are just sick of seeing these same old players making these simple mistakes game in game out, also I think another thing this article forgot to mention that I think these games like Adelaide Sydney and Brisbane the fans are sick of etihad, I know we have the contract there but I think and I myself say for others that aami park gets the casual fan to attend than the dull atmosphere at etihad.
December 14th 2011 @ 11:36am
Titus said | December 14th 2011 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Agree, and the same can be said at Sydney but replace Broxham with McFlynn. Sydney and Victory are just trying to win games and they are trying to balance out the attack with players who can break up the play, and have a tenacious work rate.
The fans don’t want to see that, they want to see teams playing football, playing the ball out from the back into attack, and it is no accident that the better performing teams are Brisbane, Central Coast and Heart, all of whom play quick passing football using youngsters who are technically sound. McFlynn and Broxham wouldn’t get a game at these teams.
December 14th 2011 @ 12:28pm
striker said | December 14th 2011 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Titus i agree if Sydney played football like Brisbane did in the last year im sure there average crowd would be close to 20 k not 11k, that Mcflynn has no flair or skill but i give him 10/10 for his commitment.
December 14th 2011 @ 11:48am
striker said | December 14th 2011 @ 11:48am | Report comment
Yeah i dont know why Victory play at AAMI what a crap ground to watch football AMMI is brilliant when even half full.
December 14th 2011 @ 3:23pm
HardcorePrawn said | December 14th 2011 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
Did you mean to write Etihad? If so, I agree: terrible for any sport that doesn’t involve an oval pitch, the crowd is just too far away from the action.
AAMI is so much better.
December 14th 2011 @ 1:12pm
philipcoates said | December 14th 2011 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
I don’t think Broxham is that bad. As a defensive midfielder he does well. But your overall point is valid. We have no creative mid-fielders (esp with Carlos playing higher up the park) who can transition the ball from defense to attack hence Victory try and survive with the quick break and the long ball over the opposition.
I’d like to see Kewell played more in mid-field to use his foot skills and passing ability with Carlos behind a two man forward line. Defence to Kewell, to Carlos, to Thompson and Allsopp/Cernak/Solozano.
December 14th 2011 @ 11:24am
HardcorePrawn said | December 14th 2011 @ 11:24am | Report comment
I’m sure that I can’t have been alone in thinking “m’eh” when Harry Kewell signed for Victory: his best days are long behind him, and he’s lost pace thanks to his continual injuries.
I would imagine that some Victory fans may have been put off by the stories of Kewell’s wages, his demands for a role in a local soap for his wife, his big house near the beach etc. and thought they’d give Melbourne Heart a go. While this might sound outrageous to some, you have to bear in mind that Victory (and the other original A League clubs) were only founded in 2004 and as such can’t count on the lifetime, dyed in the wool fans that overseas clubs (or AFL and NRL teams for that matter) have.
I for one was appalled at how Victory bent over backwards to accommodate Kewell, and how they treated Ernie Merrick after he had brought them so much success. And although I would never have classed myself as a fan of Victory I have attended a number of games but now find myself leaning towards the red & white half of the city instead. Although, call me shallow, it does help that Heart play in a kit resembling my own beloved Sunderland’s, and have a groovy, South American-style away strip too, rather than Victory’s Bordeaux rip-off and Hi-Viz away strip!
December 14th 2011 @ 12:27pm
King of the Gorgonites said | December 14th 2011 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
As an outsider, 16K sounds alright to me. Up in Syndey we would be happy with that for any sport.
December 14th 2011 @ 1:13pm
philipcoates said | December 14th 2011 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
Ah, but in Sydney you have such low expectations
December 14th 2011 @ 2:21pm
King of the Gorgonites said | December 14th 2011 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
ha. to true.
December 14th 2011 @ 1:13pm
adam214 said | December 14th 2011 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
I for one as a Adelaide United fan is enjoying every moment of this 3 ring circus that is the Victory atm
December 14th 2011 @ 2:55pm
AVB said | December 14th 2011 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
Given the shambles your club is in I wouldn’t admit to being an adelaide fan.
December 14th 2011 @ 3:17pm
Roger said | December 14th 2011 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Ummm, yea. I wouldn’t be boasting about anything if I were you.
At least when Victory lose, they don’t completely capitulate.