Judge Magilton on results, not his passport
By Mike Tuckerman, 16 Jan 2012 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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If Sir Alex Ferguson had been named as coach of Melbourne Victory, would it be considered a backwards step by those who take umbrage with A-League clubs hiring Britons?
I refer, of course, to Craig Foster’s column in yesterday’s Fairfax press which so spectacularly raised the hackles of his former Socceroos team-mate Robbie Slater.
Slater went ballistic on Twitter, labelling Foster a “racist” and highlighting an alleged indiscretion in Tahiti which supposedly ended Foster’s Socceroos career.
It was far from a dignified tête-à-tête but I can understand Slater’s frustration because Foster’s column wasn’t exactly brimming with indisputable logic.
In it, he states Magilton should not have been imported as a coach because he has not “demonstrated success in a league with a high tactical level.”
That may be true, but laudable as the desire to import the highest calibre of coaches is, we have to accept that ours is a recently formed league which runs for six months of the year in a country halfway across the globe from the cradle of world football.
Sir Alex Ferguson isn’t going to come calling any time soon, and nor are Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho or a cadre of “Italians, Germans, or Spaniards” whom Foster seems to think automatically make better coaches by virtue of their national background.
Foster cites former Sydney FC coach Terry Butcher as someone who “brought deeply entrenched views of how the game should be played” to this country.
But he neglects to mention that Butcher’s predecessor Pierre Littbarski – quite rightly considered one of the most technically gifted players of his generation – has also failed repeatedly in a coaching career which has taken him from his native Germany to Japan, Australia, Iran, Liechtenstein and back home again.
Littbarski had little impact on second division Japanese sides Yokohama FC and Avispa Fukuoka and the J. League is surely a higher tactical standard than the A-League.
Yet the only coach who came close to winning the J. League at the club I watched more than 80 times is an Englishman – Steve Perryman.
And while the J. League quite rightly has a reputation for importing foreign knowledge – particularly from Brazil – where is Foster’s analysis of why the likes of Akira Nishino, Takeshi Okada or Takashi Sekizuka have done well for themselves?
My point is: praising the virtue of coaches because they hail from supposed ‘football cultures’ is so pointlessly simplistic it borders on farcical.
And stating that signing a Northern Irish coach is a “step back in time” purely because his managerial experience is largely at Championship level is bound to spark heated debate.
Canadian-born former Dutch international John van’t Schip doesn’t possess a glittering managerial CV either, yet I recall no such questioning of his footballing pedigree when the former Ajax star signed on as Melbourne Heart coach.
I respect Foster’s right to an opinion and I think it’s sign of our burgeoning football culture that we can have these sorts of discussions.
But I also understand Slater’s dismay at the naked anti-British sentiment pervasive throughout the A-League.
British coaches have long made important contributions to the global game – including at Foster’s beloved Barcelona, which the likes of Patrick O’Connell, Terry Venables and the late Sir Bobby Robson once called home.
And when Foster questions whether Magilton can take Victory into Asia, he overlooks an ironic twist.
Jorge Fossati, the coach of current Asian champions Al-Sadd, may have learned his football on the dusty streets of Montevideo.
But the player who slotted home the winning penalty in last year’s AFC Champions League final, Nadir Belhadj, was signed from the English Championship side Portsmouth.
Jim Magilton is only one game into his Melbourne Victory career.
Let’s judge him on results and not the colour of his passport.
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January 16th 2012 @ 7:46am
Lucan said | January 16th 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
Not a Foster fan in the slightest, and can’t agree with his apparent prejudices.
I think his point should be that if HAL teams are going to appoint hoof-ball coaches and similar surely they can find this sort of coaching talent locally.
Only go overseas when you can’t get the equivalent or better within Australia.
Slater. Well, the guy has been a waste of space on the Aust football landscape for a loooooong time, IMO. The sooner he slinks off into the shadows the better.
January 16th 2012 @ 7:57am
Midfielder said | January 16th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Lucan
Tend to agree about Slater, however what has he done wrong in this case… IMO as I state in my post the dark secret thing should not have been brought up.. but his response based on Craig Fosters writing and statements over the past 7 years is justified…
January 16th 2012 @ 9:29am
Kasey said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
I am a die-hard football fan and I am far from a Foster fan. His zealotry in promoting the game and his frequent digs at other football codes in this country do nothing but antagonize, when football should be looking to make friends not agitate potential fans. (Now not all die hard fans of other codes are potential fans – but surely not annoying them to the point where they hate the game of soccer is something he could aim for in the next 12 months?)
Judging a person based on their passport is pathetic even by his standards. Judging JM on his previousd performance is what we all do, but how many would have seen the teams that JM put on the pitch? Slaters response is nothing but a culmination of what has obviously ben gnawing away at him for a while now, but it is still class-less to bring up th Tahitian incident. Foz acting the goose as a younger man on tour does not prevent him from having an opinion(In this case his opinion is at worst racist and at best uneducated, but it is still his opinion)
January 16th 2012 @ 10:34am
Matt F said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
I agree with you Kasey that Fosters constant attacks on the other codes are foolish. Not only does it potentially alienate supporters of other codes but there are many passionate Football fans in the country are fans of other sports as well. Someone like Bosnich manages to promote the sport very well whilst also showing some respect so supporters of other codes (it probably helps that he likes some of the other codes as well.)
I’ve never rated Slater as much of a pundit either. Certainly he would have come across much better had he attacked the content of Foster’s article rather then the man personally.
January 16th 2012 @ 11:16am
Kasey said | January 16th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Matt, I’d add Ange Postecoglu(Melb boy) to your Bosnich as a great promoter/mouthpiece of football without resorting to belittling other popular and more established sports in this country. Honestly it’s not so much that die hard Aussie rules fans are going to wake up one day and think, I reckon I’ll give Soccer a look (In my experience, they tend not too) but if the option is there and Soccer hasn’t spent the last 10 years belittling ARF like a lot of ARF commentators do to Soccer, then surely you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar?
Foz’s attacks on other sports shows an insecurity that we as football fans are supposed to moving on from with the increasing professionalism of the game on and off he pitch. Footballl’s biggest battle is likely to continue to be the battle to engage those already partial to the game but who only watch the game only when it is played overseas rather than engaging a local team for the (IMO) unbelievable rollercoaster ride of live, emotionally draining tight & competitive football, with a few thouisand like-minded souls in daylight hours:)
At the end of the day though, both Foz and Slater are not people whose opinions I regularly listen to, so that gives and estimation on their worth in my books. I consider them both(depite their careers) to be big-noting blowhards and not very intelligent football analysts(easily able to exlain the finer points of the game to mugs like the regular viewers). The introduction of Ned Zelic/Boznich pairing to the Big Wedenesday coverage was a huge improvement over the giggle-a-thon of Boza/Slater on a regular Matchday Saturday on Fox. More please.
January 16th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Matt F said | January 16th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Couldn’t agree more. I have alot of time for Zelic, and Ange always comes across well. It’s very hypocritical for the likes of Foster to complain (sometimes justifiably) about the media’s treatment of Football whilst at the same time using the same media to put down the other codes. The honey/vinegar line is definately appropriate.
As you said, Fooball’s biggest challenge in Australia isn’t convincing the non-football fans to support the A-League but convincing the Football fans who only watch European leagues to support their local team, whose games they can actually go to live, rather then watch on TV at 4 in the morning! I freely acknowledge that my A-League team (Sydney) isn’t at the same level as my EPL team (Newcastle) but it’s much better being able to go to a game live, atmosphere and all, and watch a team who represents my area rather then getting up in the middle of the night (despite the weekly frustrating SFC performances!!!)
I think many serious Football fans don’t rate Foz or Slater very highly but unfortunately, due to their newspaper columns, they probably have more influence in the mainstream then other, significantly better pundits.
January 16th 2012 @ 4:35pm
Bondy said | January 16th 2012 @ 4:35pm | Report comment
Kasey,
I overall agree with your posts most of the time and the potential attacks on other codes Foster ” it’s generally just the one” but it’s fine for the collingwood bloke to write Soccer screw their own or that clown Baum recently soccer prostituting itself again .
Who else do we have in the print media to stand up to such petulance from the small sport .
January 16th 2012 @ 7:52am
Midfielder said | January 16th 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
At last a decent article “”"at the naked anti-British sentiment”"”" by Craig Foster & by extension SBS in general..
The root of the problem is SBS have believed they know what is best pertaining to football and how it should be run… and sometimes they get it wrong.
Three things stand out for me, Craig Fosters battle against the British influence in Football in Australia boarders on stupidity, second Robbie Slatter IMO anyway should not have brought up the dark secret thing as it adds nothing, finally Craig Foster to me seems a very smart guy and I hope he can go into a quite place and reflect and emerge a better person for it …
January 16th 2012 @ 9:21am
Kasey said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
I thought it funy that Bulldog went so ape he called Foz a ‘cont’ at the end of every tweet;)
January 16th 2012 @ 11:38am
Roarchild said | January 16th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
hahahaha
I saw that on Twitter before Kasey, I laughed then and I laughed again now.
January 16th 2012 @ 8:14am
Vince said | January 16th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
I read the article yesterday and can’t actually work out why Slater went nuclear.
Sure Foster refers to the britishness of Magilton but what seems to have been lost in the #slatervsfoster goings on is the fact his article also refers to Coolen (dutch last time i checked) and that the thrust of his article was that a coaches prior performances and results should also be a major factor in deciding to appoint them to a HAL club.
I saw somewhere else that someone asked why Foster did not question JVS (MHFC) appointment , if memory serves he made the point at the time that HAL clubs should not be importing coaches to make the coaches better through giving them somewhere to practise their skills but rather that foreign coaches should be bringing more to the league than could be found here.
January 16th 2012 @ 8:23am
jamesb said | January 16th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
I think Foster and Slater should take a leaf from Bosnich and Zelic.
Foster and Slater should settle down a bit.
In some ways I do agree with Foster in regards to the british coaches, but the way he said it, he might have rubbed people the wrong way.
As for Slater, its poor form that he gets personal by referring to Fosters past. Both Foster and Slater need a cold shower
January 16th 2012 @ 8:24am
Redb said | January 16th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Saw this unfold on twitter yesterday afternoon – great stuff. Foster finally exposed as Slater clearly had enough of the ‘Pommy’ bashing. The Foster in a Tahitian jail anecdote most interesting.
It’s curious that only days after Les Murray invoked the old media bias thru S, W & P that racism rears its head within the soccer media itself.
January 16th 2012 @ 8:25am
Midfielder said | January 16th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
There is a bit of a funny side… Frank Fawina decided to end Fozzie’s international career because of the drunken incident…… irony
January 16th 2012 @ 10:01am
Cpaaa said | January 16th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
This is goning to start looking ugly only because bulldog mentioned something totally off topic. If Franky ended Fozzies career then its fair to say that Farina ended Ned Zelics career as well.
Reading Fozzies article it has absolutely nothing at all to do with racism, disappointment perhaps but certainly not racism as Slater has mentioned. Foster is simply suggesting that MV, the largest membership based club in Australia needs a proven manager. I think its fair to say that Jim may have fitted anywhere as the new coach to any A-League club except in the case of MV or SFC for example.
Hopefully Jim is the right choice and i admire Fozzies comments , Foz is only doing his job for Australian Football by keeping him on his toes from the beginning. Failure is not an option for Melbourne Victory and now,Jim, you have been warned!!
After all, he is from greater Britan, where the Football Journos are mercenaries and knives are out every single day.
January 16th 2012 @ 11:24am
Qantas supports Australian Football said | January 16th 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Cpaaa—-voice of reason well done Cpaaa, spot on as always…
January 16th 2012 @ 8:38am
Lucan said | January 16th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Slater tweeted “Maybe the true legend who got you out of that Tahitian jail should of left you there”
No surprises that the “true legend” inferred is Slater’s best mate Arnie. Arnold was also Slater’s source for the Kewell/Chippers stoush at breakfast during WC2010. Can these guys just p!ss off already. We don’t want or need their drivel. If Murray needs to sanction Foster, Foxsports really needs to jettison Slater altogether.
January 16th 2012 @ 9:06am
jamesb said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
+1
January 16th 2012 @ 9:42am
fatboi said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
but….Slaters gonna slate
January 16th 2012 @ 9:03am
jbinnie said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Mike – This comment is aimed directly to you.Yesterday, (Sunday), while doing my usual perusal of “Roar’s” column inches,I came across a comment by the regular contributor “Cattery ” where he passed on the “link” to Craig Foster’s “anti -British coaching” article.I read the article and immediately sent a constructive reply to “Cattery” based on what I considered the obvious failings contained in Foster’s debate and finished by asking him,almost word for word, exactly the same question that you use to open this article!
Now, try as I might, for the life of me I cannot find “Cattery’s” comment, or my reply to him, printed anywhere, my interest being, he usually answers my comments directly.
I must then ask, did you see my question to “Cattery” re. Alex Ferguson? If so may I say it was totally unintentional but what I am sorry about is my reply took Foster’s article in a totally different direction and I was looking forward to Cattery’s reply for he normally instigates good debate between ourselves and others. jb
January 16th 2012 @ 9:30am
The Cattery said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
jb
it’s still there, under the football tab, in the game report of MV vs Adelaide, but it wasn’t my article, I had merely put up the first post. I had put up a link to the Fos article, but that was before this whole Slater thing blew up.
January 16th 2012 @ 5:32pm
j binnie said | January 16th 2012 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
Sorry Mike. Cattery has contacted me and directed me to his answers to my question. Keep up the good work jb
January 16th 2012 @ 9:10am
Mick said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
I wish fox sports would tell Slater that Bosnich keeps saying the German league is crap & as far as I know Bosnich never played there.
I have never seen Slater pull Bozz up on that 1.
January 16th 2012 @ 9:17am
Wotdoo said | January 16th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Slater should be carefull about glass houses and throwing rocks there are a few truths about him too